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THE KISS CAM UNDER FIRE.
VIRGINITY TESTING FOR YOUNG
GIRLS AND AN NBA STAR WHO
THINKS HIS CAREER IS WAY MORE
IMPORTANT THAN THE UNBORN
CHILD.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND THE
MANY OTHER THINGS IN THE MORAL
MAZE.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE GOVERNED BY
MORALITY.
LET'S START WITH THE KISS CAM.
THIS IS A TRADITION AT EVERY
HOCKEY ARENA, BASEBALL STADIUM,
YOU NAME IT.
THERE'S A COUPLE SPOTTED IN
THE CROWD.
THEY GET PUT UP ON THE SCREEN.
THEY SHARE A SMOOCH AND ALL IS
GOOD.
I HAVE HAD THINGS WHERE YOU'RE
A STRANGER YOU DIG IN AND KISS
WHOEVER IS NEXT TO YOU.
I MEAN WHO CARES.
>> IT'S NOT A POLITICAL
STATEMENT, NOT TRYING TO DO
ANYTHING, JUST A FUN THING DO
YOU AT SPORTING EVENTS AND
FLEET.COM, ONE OF THE WRITERS
THERE DECIDED THAT IT WAS A
PERSONAL ATTACK ON ALL
HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES, THE FACT
THAT SPORTING EVENTS DO NOT
INCLUDE HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES AND
THEIR ABILITY TO KISS PEOPLE
YOU KNOW, THESE BIG SPORTING
EVENTS SO I MEAN IT'S ONE OF
THESE THINGS WHERE SOMETHING
FUN SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE
TREAT IN A GAME TURNS INTO A
POLITICAL STATEMENT.
THE WRITER CALLS IT
HETEROSEXISM.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
HOMOPHOBIA.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE AFRAID OF
THEM, WHAT THEY ARE SAYING
THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP
HOMOSEXUALS OUT OF SPORTS AND
IT'S THIS BIZARRE IDEA IF WE
DON'T PAN TOWARDS TWO PEOPLE
OF THE SAME GENDER, WE
APPARENTLY ARE YOU KNOW TRYING
TO MAKE FUN OF THEM OR EXCLUDE
THEM.
>> MOST OF THE STADIUMS IT'S
USUALLY SOMEBODY CONTROLLING
THE CAMERAS, A CAMERA
TECHNICIAN DOING THE JOB, THAT
THAT INDIVIDUAL IS SOMEHOW
HOMOPHOBIC OR EXERCISING THE
FREE SPEECH.
>> YES, I MEAN PART OF THIS
COMES OUT OF THE W NBA AND
WHAT HAPPENED THERE IS THAT
THEY WERE ASKED WHY DON'T YOU
DO THE KISS CAM AND SOME SAID
WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE KIDS
AND WE DON'T WANT HOMOSEXUAL
COUPLES TO BE KISSING.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE
INFLUENCED AND THE POOR KIDS.
IT'S NOT A GREAT ARGUMENT BUT
I MEAN WHAT COMES OUT OF IT IS
LIKE THE WHOLE IDEA THAT
SPORTING EVENTS NOW NEED TO BE
A POLITICAL STATEMENT AND YOU
KNOW IN THE WASHINGTON
NATIONALS WHERE THE STORY
COMES OUT OF, APPARENTLY THE
WRITER SAYS ARBL BLEE THE MOST
GAYEST CITY IN ALL OF
AMERICA --.
>> THEY EVEN HAVE GAY COMING
OUT NIGHTS.
>> TWO NIGHTS A SEASON WHERE
YOU GO AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
CELEBRATE.
I DON'T HAVE HETEROSEXUAL
NIGHT OR A SINGLES NIGHT AND I
DON'T HAVE A FEMALES NIGHT.
WHAT THEY ARE TRYING DO DO IS
ASK FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT BUT
AT THE SAME TIME BE TREATED
LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE
POINT OF THIS.
IT'S LIKE LET'S SUC OUT ALL OF
THE FUN IN SPORTING EVENTS
UNTIL EVERYONE GETS WHAT
EVERYONE WANTS OR NOTHING AT
ALL.
>> THERE WAS A PITCHER FOR THE
OAKLAND A'S SAYING THIS IS
DEAD WRONG HAVING THE KISS CAM,
THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF THEM
BUT TO ME ISN'T THE ANSWER
JUST SAYING WELL WE PUT
EVERYBODY UP ON THE CAM.
I WOULDN'T BE A OFFENDED
LOOKING AT 2 MEN AND WOMEN.
>> A DAD AND HIS KID KISS AND
IT'S ADORABLE.
IT'S JUST GOOD FUN.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
AGENDA IS BEHIND EVERYTHING
AND I THINK AT SOME POINT WE
HAVE TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
WE HAVE -- WE'RE JUST TRYING
TO BE FUN AND I THINK THAT FUN
IS GETTING SUCKED OUT OF
SPORTS.
>> LET'S KEEP IT IN THE WORLD
OF SPORTS.
A GUY WHO PUT HIS CAREER AHEAD
OF HIS KID.
PLAYS WITH THE HEAT WHAT HE'S
SAYING IN THE INTERVIEW ABOUT
HIM AND HIS WIFE.
>> WHAT COMES OUT IS THIS
GLOWING REVIEW FROM THE NEW
YORK TIMES ABOUT THE RECENT
MARRIAGE OF HIM AND HIS TRACK
STAR WIFE FROM YOU KNOW, THEY
WERE TOGETHER IN COLLEGE AND
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, THEY HAD
THIS BIG YOU KNOW BEAUTIFUL
ROMANCE AND IN THE MIDDLE OF
IT THEIR FIRST CHALLENGE IS
WHAT THE WRITER SAYS IS THEY
HAD AN UNPLANNED PREGNANCY AND
THE QUOTE IS OF HASLAM SAYING
I'M NOT A FAN OF ABORTION BUT
WE HAD TOO MANY OTHER THINGS
GOING ON AND HE HAD A KID
PRIOR TO THAT IN HIGH SCHOOL,
AND APPARENTLY HE WASN'T
WILLING TO GIVE UP ANYMORE
THAN WHAT HE HAD TO GIVE UP,
SO YOU KNOW THEY DECIDED TO
PUT ON HOLD THE PREGNANCY,
HAVE A CASUAL ABORTION.
THAT'S THE WAY THE WHOLE
ARTICLE IS MAKING IT OUT TO BE,
CASUAL SORT OF THING THEN GO
ON LIVING NORMAL LIVES AND
YEARS LATER THEY'LL HAVE OTHER
KIDS THEY WANTED TO HAVE AND
THEN HAVE A MARRIAGE AND
THEY'LL BE HAPPILY EVER AFTER
AND PRO CHOICE AMERICA COMES
OUT SAYING THANK GOD THIS GUY
CAME OUT AND MADE IT ALL
NORMAL AND CASUAL THIS. IS
WHAT ABORTION IS LIKE IN
AMERICA.
NO BIG DEAL AND I MEAN YOU
HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY
CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS MAN, SO
CASUALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS
UNBORN CHILD AS IF IT WAS THE
DEVASTATING MOMENT IN HIS
COLLEGE BASKETBALL CAREER AND
YOU KNOW THE WIFE SAYS IN
THERE, HE WAS SO SUPPORTS I
HAVE AND CARING AFTER THE
ABORTION --.
>> THIS TO ME IS A SLAP IN THE
FACE OF WORKING COUPLES
EVERYWHERE WHO HAVE TO BALANCE
JOBS WITH FAMILY.
IT'S A REALITY OF LIFE.
THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN A
SPOILED ATTITUDE THAT YES
WE'LL TREAT ABORTION LIKE IT'S
A GAME AND WHEN WE FEEL LIKE
IT WE'LL HAVE A KID BECAUSE
WE'RE NUMB ONE.
WE'RE JUST SELFISH THAT WAY.
>> IT COMES OUT THAT THEY HAVE
THE PERFECT LIFE TOGETHER SO
THAT ABORTION WAS A GREAT
DECISION AS IF THIS KID IN
HIGH SCHOOL WASN'T OR THE KID
HE HAD LATER ON IN LIFE
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN.
IT REALLY TRIVIALIZES THE
IMPORTANCE OF AN UNBORN CHILD
AND IT SEEMS YOU DO WHAT YOU
WANT TO DO AND IN THE END IT
WORKS OUT.
WE'RE TOTALLY REGARDLESS OF
THE LIFE OF A HUMAN PERSON AND
IT'S REALLY UPSETTING.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING
THAT IS JUST AS UPSETTING.
THE IDEA OF VIRGINITY TESTING
IN INDONESIA OF YOUNG GIRLS.
>> OH, THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF
MORALITY THAT IS GREAT.
THEY WANT TO PROTECT THE
WOMAN'S VIRGINITY BUT THEY'RE
DOING IT ALL WRONG AND FOR ALL
OF THE WRONG REASONS.
WHAT'S COMING OUT IN INDONESIA,
I MEAN FORTUNATELY IT HAS BEEN
CANNED BUT EVEN FOR A MOMENT
THE CHIEF EDUCATION MINISTER
SAYS IN ONE OF THE DISTRICTS
SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO DO, VIRGINITY TESTS BECAUSE
WE FOUND OUT THAT SEX RATES
ARE GOING UP AMONGST HIGH
SCHOOL KIDS AND THERE ARE YOU
KNOW HIGHER RATES OF
PROSTITUTION SO BETWEEN 16 AND
19 ALL OF THE SCHOOLGIRLS WILL
GET TESTED EVERY YEAR UNTIL
THEY GRADUATE.
NOTHING CAME OUT OF THE
CONSEQUENCES OF IT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY GET
KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL OR ARE
JUST OSFRACIZED.
>> IS THIS WHERE YOU'LL HAVE A
LOT OF KIDS SUSPENDED BECAUSE
OF PREMARITAL SEX?
CERTAINLY NOT THE BEST CHOICE
BUT AT THE SAME TIME GOING
THROUGH TESTS.
>> IT'S CRAZY WHAT THEY WERE
TRYING TO DO.
FIRST OF ALL THEY MAKE IT A
POINT PREMARITAL SEX A, IS A
GIRL DECIDING TO HAVE SEX.
OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES TWO.
THE POINT IS YOU WANT TO SOLVE
THE PROBLEM OF PREMARITAL SEX
BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT 50%
OF THE PROBLEM WHICH IS MALES
BUT INSTEAD OF HE'D KATEDING
THEM BECAUSE I COMPLETELY
AGREE PREMARITAL SEX IS
SOMETHING YOU NEED TO TAKE
SERIOUSLY.
YOU NEED TO EDUCATE THE
PEOPLE.
WE HAVE SEEN IT ALL AROUND THE
WORLD WHERE THEY DO VIRGINITY
TESTS.
INDIA HAS WEIRD THINGS, WHERE
YOU SUBMERGE THE GIRL IN WATER
AND SOUTH AFRICA THEY'RE
TRYING TO PREVENT AIDS AND
THERE THEY DO, SAY DO THE
VIRGINITY TESTS AND FIND OUT
WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT IS
COMING OUT THERE'S HIGHER
RATES OF THE WOMEN GETTING
*** BECAUSE MEN WITH AIDS GO
AND THEY HAVE SEX WITH THEM
THINKING YOU KNOW THAT WILL
CURE THEM OF THEIR AIDS SO THE
SAME THING IS HAPPENING IN
INDONESIA.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE
ACTUAL ROOT OF THE PROBLEM AND
WE'RE TRYING TO GO AROUND IT.
>> AND YOU KNOW IT'S