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i Sam what I'm getting at from your guess is basically the university
colleges just reflect the contemporary culture politics and economics to their
society
this is definitely a dog bites man kind of story I'm not sure why the scholars
research seems to be greeted with surprise in the media
maybe because some of the some kinda fantasy the ivory tower still being
separate from the rest the society will still exists
I think wilder's research shows us that this fantasy was even less true in the
past when universities probably had more
central political role in society than today I mean I think there is some but i
i think some %uh what you're saying
is is true frankly I am
but I do think
the notion love how
the role that these universities play
they don't just reflected they play an integral part
informing it I mean
obviously the economics at the time
dictated that they would reflect these things arm
in I think the fact that they did so in such a stark way
and I think there are a lot of people who do have assumptions
you know and now is why I started the interview with a question about
what his assumption was that the role that universities plane I think
the idea that when you talk about being reflection that is a passive
relationship to society: you know
you can find things that are
are are passive reflections all the time
up society but they also then
because it the nature of the university's
have a more important impact then say
ice cream parlor that won't serve african-americans
as being a reflection of society the de Pepe
are they they perpetuate the system and I think
in some ways not just perpetuated
but enhance the system and I think
also their use as colonization tools
is really important when you think about
were let's say the gate at the Gates Foundation is doing where with with the
money driving
education has a very distinct
relationship to society: it is both reflective
and also I
changes society in so i think thats I think there's some very important nuance
in there
I will say that you know somebody interviews
I i watched in red I am
prior to you know as part of my researched for
for this interview I think spent too much time
on my make the president Ivo the
Princeton had this many slaves in
that I just I didn't find terribly surprising in an aunt
I think that is more reflection also I think the success rate was pretty
astonishing to
like how big a difference it made not surprising that there would be
money from the source is flowing in but he talked about the failure rate
universities ok yeah I dot with my dad actually that's great
well I'm EPA yeah I think a lot of this too is too stuffy don't think about
and I mean if you really think about it you contemplate okay the slavery trade
was basically what
trade wise you know i mean on some level or another it
you know there was some type a multiplier effect a minute it he said
a resonate throughout our economy in such a way
that I am he it was bound
you know where else are people gonna get money at that time to build these have
institutions
I found it particularly interesting in terms of love
the way that it weighs I am use consciously or unconsciously as a weapon
he in in colonizing
this country because in in what we can get into I'm my mistake was
what the implications are proselytizing christian Ising
one generation native americans did I
to the Native American culture and how that's a degraded
I their culture and then their society