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Announcer: The David Pakman Show at www.DavidPakman.com.
David: Welcome back to the show. It has been reported that the hacking group Anonymous,
which was involved in Wikileaks sent a letter to the Westboro Baptist Church indicating
that they would be targeting the Westboro Baptist Church. Westboro Baptist Church, of
course of "God Hates ***" fame, responded basically saying bring it on.
Earlier today, we actually interviewed Shirley Phelps-Roper from the Westboro Baptist Church.
Now, just after that, there were some allegations made, including a letter, again allegedly
written by Anonymous saying hey, it's all well and good that you told us to bring it,
but the original letter was a hoax. At this point, we don't know exactly what the truth
is. We know that it may be a hoax, we don't know if the hoax was perpetrated by the Westboro
Baptist Church or by a third party or if it's for real. The interview itself is pretty interesting,
and Shirley says a lot of fascinating things, so we're going to run it for you now, but
again, we are aware that this may not be exactly what it has been presented to be.
So I saw this letter that was sent to you from Anonymous, the notorious hacking internet
group, and then I also saw the response in huge letters, in typical Westboro fashion,
that you put together. Are you not scared at all of these threats?
Shirley Phelps-Roper: You mean should we be more afraid of lawless, cowardly, hidden rebels
than we are afraid of a lawless federal judiciary, or perhaps lawless police officers who arrest
you before the eyes of everyone right in broad daylight? You think we ought to be more afraid
of the cowards hidden in the corner than we are of them? No, my dear, God's arm is not
shortened. His ear is not deaf.
David: Have they already taken your website down, though? I think... I couldn't even get
on your website all day today.
Phelps-Roper: Oh, come on!
David: I think they've already taken it down.
Phelps-Roper: You know what? I've been on that website again and again and again today.
David: I typed in this morning and just before we got this interview started www.GodHatesFags.com,
and the website is just down. Has Anonymous already taken it down?
Phelps-Roper: Of course they have not taken it down. I'm sitting here looking at the website.
David: All right. Well, I don't know, you must have some...
Phelps-Roper: Now, what they have done...
David: Yeah?
Phelps-Roper: Is increase traffic greatly. Look, don't you know that God delivers his
people, and sometimes they don't have to do a thing? In fact, truly, we don't ever have
to do a thing, but because we're humans, we start trying to find devices or something
to help the process. Hun, they've made a terrible mistake. They have done this mischief against
their own interests. They need to understand that they are exactly like the Pharaoh of
Egypt when Egypt was the most powerful nation in the world. [Inaudible]
David: And do you want to put-- are you putting Anonymous on notice that God will punish them
if they carry out these acts against your website?
Phelps-Roper: Honey, he already is and he has and he will.
David: OK. OK.
Phelps-Roper: What's going to happen is things are going to happen to those little cowards,
because some people know who they are, and it's going to cause the ears of them that
hear it to tingle. They've made a terrible mistake, and they're not going to do anything
to us at all.
David: I've interviewed, recently I spoke to your brother Nate Phelps, and he talked
a lot about the abuse from your father Fred Phelps unto his children. Can you address
that at all?
Phelps-Roper: Well, I suppose I can address that. Now, you call it abuse...
David: No, he called it abuse.
Phelps-Roper: Well, you just called it abuse, hun. You just called it abuse.
David: Well, I'm paraphrasing him, yes.
Phelps-Roper: Yeah, well, whatever.
David: OK.
Phelps-Roper: Potato, potahto.
David: [Laughs] Right.
Phelps-Roper: Here's what it is. You're supposed to spank your children. You're supposed to
teach them with words, and if that doesn't work, it says nurture and admonition. That's
what you're supposed to do.
David: So if I gather, to summarize...
Phelps-Roper: Every once in a while, you've got to give your child a spanking. No, to
summarize, say this:
David: Yeah.
Phelps-Roper: This generation doesn't talk about spanking children, and the fact they
don't, that's why they have groups like Anonymous running around. Just connect these amazing
dots. You raise your children telling them that God is a big fat liar and his Commandments
are on the table for disposal...
David: Hold on, let me... I just want to make sure we stay on point here. You're not deny--
Phelps-Roper: I am on point! You're not listening.
David: Shirley, Shirley, hold on a second.
Phelps-Roper: Over not listening.
David: I listened.
Phelps-Roper: I'm telling you that when you don't teach your children exactly like their
creator told you to do it, remember, he created the children.
David: This is making you upset. I'm sorry. I...
Phelps-Roper: This isn't making me upset!
David: So Shirley, I think I hear you.
Phelps-Roper: [Inaudible] needed a lot more than he got.
David: Let me... so let me follow up with that. What... is it fair to say, then, that
the allegations that Nathan Phelps made on this show are true, you just do not consider
them to be, quote, "abuse", you believe that it is spanking in accordance with the Bible?
Phelps-Roper: Well, of course, I didn't hear the allegations, so if he said anything that
sounds like something other than a spanking when he needed it, then he lied. So I'm not
going to adopt what he said; I didn't hear what he said, how can I adopt it? And by the
way, I know that he said some things that weren't true, because I was doing a radio
program over that Arizona stuff with a guy who syndicates in six states, and I can't
think of his name right now, and we got near the end, and he was so angry because he had
agreed to be civil, because I've done his show before, and he's not civil.
David: Well, you know I am always civil to you.
Phelps-Roper: Yeah, but here's what he said.
David: OK.
Phelps-Roper: He got so angry near the end, he blurts out why are you saying that God
is coming on some July date in 2012?
David: Yeah, what about that?
Phelps-Roper: Excuse me. I said we didn't say that. He said yes, you said it. I said
no, we didn't say that! Well, he said enough words that it led me down the trail to look,
and before long, I found the source was you talking to Dummy, you talking to a rebel like
you. So you rebels apparently were busy tossing bouquets back and forth and making it up as
you went along.
David: Well, no, Shirley, let's not filibuster. I mean, just tell me, Nate Phelps mentioned,
your estranged brother, he mentioned this July 2012 thing. I mean, it's not a matter
of something I brought up. Just tell me, is there anything there or not? Does July 2012
have any significance to you?
Phelps-Roper: Not any significance to me, and I don't have any idea where he got that
date.
David: OK. Well, we're just clearing it up.
Phelps-Roper: I don't know. He worked that out for himself. He worked that out for himself.
But what we believe is that by the signs of the times that are falling out in front of
us, that the time has grown very, very short.
David: How short? I mean, can you tell me how short?
Phelps-Roper: Hun, I can tell you that those prophecies are coming on a pace. The shakings
are going on already over in the Middle East. I mean...
David: Shakings?
Phelps-Roper: Shakings. God-shakes. Call them God-shakes. They're already chanting it in
their streets.
David: You know, Shirley, I'm getting... If I can interject, I'm kind of, correct me if
I'm wrong, but I'm getting the sense that you're kind of almost getting tired of your
own shtick. Am I wrong about that? I mean, you seem almost like you're getting bored
with the Westboro Baptist Church routine, almost, yourself.
Phelps-Roper: Hun, I'm bored with your silliness, and I do have to get up to the hospital before
long because my new granddaughter's coming.
David: All right, well, let's just find-- how soon will the granddaughter be inducted
into the God Hates ***, God Hates People stuff?
Phelps-Roper: Inducted? What does that mean?
David: You know, brought in, start to-- taught that type of rhetoric?
Phelps-Roper: That rhetoric. Yipes. Only a dumbo would call the Word of God "rhetoric".
Here's what we do, and here's what all my children, all my children...
David: I want... this is good, because I want to figure out, maybe this is even-- counts
as abuse. So please, explain the process.
Phelps-Roper: Yikes. Exactly. Nate would love that.
David: But just how soon is she taught God hates ***? How soon?
Phelps-Roper: Excuse me. The first time that she'll sit in the Church of the Lord Jesus
Christ is next Sunday, and from that day forth, every day of her life, line upon line, precept
upon precept, here a little, there a little, all of her days, she will understand her duty.
When she comes to years, if the Lord tarries, she will decide if she's going to obey and
serve God, or if she's going to go her way and be a rebel. And by and by, she'll be a
rebel like Nate, because their conscience, they will spend their days with their conscience
kicking their ***.
David: And what about the child out of wedlock?
Phelps-Roper: Here's the deal, little girl, here's the deal: that child will decide, and
if she goes her way like my number two son did, she'll slip away under cover of darkness,
do you understand, not kicked out, she'll go her own way. You're free to be a rebel,
but you cannot be a rebel living in your father's house when the policy is you have to obey.
David: Is there a case to be made that there should be police involvement here? Is there
child abuse going on, Shirley?
Phelps-Roper: Yikes. Dude, you know the answer to that, and your angry, ill-tempered, irrelevant,
and impudent questions that you intend to be insulting aren't... they don't get any
play.
David: There's no insult. I'm just, I'm fascinated by it all.
Phelps-Roper: No, you're not fascinated, you're a rebel. You might be fascinated, but you're
more angry than you are anything else.
David: All right, well, Shirley, I'm going to...
Phelps-Roper: That's your little temper.
David: We'll wrap up. I know your granddaughter is coming. Please, just consider not involving
her in the God Hates *** stuff. Just consider it is all I'm saying.
Phelps-Roper: Yikes. Whatever I want is irrelevant, because...
David: It's what God wants.
Phelps-Roper: Her father and her mother are going to make the call about how she's raised.
David: All right, so thanks, I think, to Shirley Phelps-Roper for coming on. We will hear in
the next hours and days, was this all a hoax or not? Regardless, always strange and fascinating
to speak to Shirley, I would say.
Louis: Well, I think we're past the strange part. We're used to that now. But it's pretty
fascinating.
David: [Laughs] All right. We'll take a break. Make sure you are going to hear today's bonus
show, www.DavidPakman.com/membership. You are not going to believe the situation that
Louis's heavy metal band has gotten involved in. I don't even still understand it, but
I know our audience is going to love it. www.DavidPakman.com/membership. We'll take a break, we'll come back, still
plenty more on today's David Pakman Show.
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