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creatures me base some
period of time to adjust to their environment and get their legs
and that's true everything I suppose right down to a mi pais
alright extrapolate to the idea
that BAE I would need a period of time to get hold of the situation
but I was more of a big suggest that phase my class
under a minute or two when I see so this is market
meander childhood this is the childhood of the end
yes that child is father to the man
and in that equation we played the role of child
and demand that we credence he's
these integrated intelligence which use our sales
it isn't alien it is but no more art
official than we are bat conundrum
should be overcome it is simply the next stage
up this and humanness may have mami
rungs on the ladder to the same surely in a hundred years a thousand years and
years
we if we exist will be but really I'm recognizable to ourselves
and we will probably still be worried about preserving and enhancing the
quality of human values
Terrence one point I get you probably got no answer for this
I'm and if not you know something started
ok the I'm is a trivial point in a way that
in in the biologically Venetian the
appearances some use data system usually depends either on an internal change
which
cripples the entire the usual system a mutation for on environmental
changed environment systems left themselves tend to just go along
in the usual way now the entire world wide web at
I'm and Internet is about to get it
as a massive shock to the system if this millennium bug thing
is I'm actually happens do you see mass is playing any role since we're talking
about the millennium & Sons
the millennium bug is right there in the system usage is paying
any part in this process for me just a nuisance that can be fixed by
hiring a lot more programs well I sorta
came up under the tutelage a very the arch
and one of the things he was always insisted upon was what he called Mathis
stability which boiled down simply means
most systems are less grandchildren weeks the polls
I see the y2k thing as a calling
I don't see it as a falling apart the achievements of the last
to of the last thousand-year Justin
II who got y2k wants white that's this millennium bug and you're referring to
that's the code name for yes 68
that's what the insiders good
cell a but you know
use you say there has to be a sudden change to force the evolution of the
system
dice and makes a very strongly and persuasively
the point that disconnecting together all these processors
the processes themselves are have no intelligence at all they have the
intelligence service
sell or maybe even just a strand of DNA
but for our own Monday reasons
we connected all the stuff together but now it expresses
dynamics which we do not understand or
cannot described still I believe that the
forcing system has already occurred
that and now the way up it's simply a matter at BAM
with and linking more and more processes together
and there will be all kinds emergent properties
I could argue somewhat facetiously but
its appointed you is that this incredible
economic expansion that we are undergoing
it seems to violate the laws of economics here
fluctuation is because econometric models
and big data on which they depend
at both ran been made fine through the existence of the Internet
to the point where we actually help control and manage global economies
principal they are not I'm controllable they are simply
very complex systems if I'm right
we may be in the first few years from
endless prosperity because
our machines our models and the data both machines
me is now such high quality that there won't be
crash bust crash bust cycles now
me to pick up the newspaper tomorrow and prove me wrong
but this thing has already not prove you wrong today
instant ok
so you said tell me all this prosperity is going to be
a maintained through the intelligence in a column at Creek Mall
the world economy ground the human population is still
exploding exponentially ok now there are limited resources and is growing
pollution it's a disembodied model that's the trouble what you're asking
for too much too soon you'll forget
bat the soviet union has disappeared the
launch gonna read the mutual assured destruction
theory if diplomacy is now obsolete we have made incredible strides and not
given ourselves any sort of pat on the back
you want it all all at once
and it will print the world is running smoothly yes there are people in
Missouri
yes there are I'm addressed problems but I would argue that we have made enormous
progress
in the last decade an enormous progress
a lies ahead the situation in Ireland
the situation in South Africa that looked like a bomb you couldn't defuse
it looked like
race war and the Deathly millions and in fact
it was possible to walk away from that I'm
I think we should not be welcome you know complete their heads about this
but on the other hand I think we should recognize that the accomplishments over
the last decade
are on skoo entirely different from any historical
Park previous and eight point the way
toward greater triumphs management
resource control machine human integration
and the delivery up a a
reasonable and tolerable life to more and more people
you mention population has a problem notice how
far from machine interference that particular issue
is because it involves on people having less sex and
your children that may be the last place where the machines
will bringing down the hammer out of respect for their approach and mentor
there have been
you're going to be sharp downturns but I completely agree with you when you're
describing the bandages
World Wide Web it's only the threatening aspect that
I felt I had to the book I think think more
threat than I intended
well I hear I donated sometimes you sound as if you're
a high consultant from the word World Trade Organization
say I hope you that check is in the mail yet
good
I'm better i mean this this idea that it will all be taken care of
I mean to say many things that my creation economic crisis
net I mean I want doesn't months look too much on
League side of things but I just don't believe that this
into connectivity is going to solve these problems and then save par
as it isn't listed by the forces of the World Trade Organization multinational
companies and so on
it's not going to be working on the side a kind of political
you things local economies more sustainable agriculture and so many of
us hope did
well now of sound even more like a slave the I am at
as i understand this crisis in the economic situation
the way it works is your if you're a third world nation
you can run your affairs anyway want your banking on policy is your labor
policies
your resource extraction part you can do anything you want
Intel you screw up as Indonesia did
and when you screw up these guys flying on seven forty sevens with briefcases
from the IMF
and they say it's like losing the war
they say we're taking no for carey is your labor
policy here is your resource extraction policy
here's how you're going to revalue your currency
here's our plan for restructuring your entire society
top to bottom and by god if you don't fall into line
we're going to pull the plug on a Monday so
one by one these outlaw a
free wheeling operations do style
whole and generate crises and at that point
but where does umbrella is extended over them
and they have to then fall into line and
joined the global economy which is running from Brussels in geneva
and London but which seems to produce a better result for most people
than allowing these nations to self-regulate
cell well well
yet
and ok
it well you're seeing
I mean I think that's one of the arguments why
many people were distrust global capitalism
the World Trade Organization multinational corporations
and indeed the world wide web s or use the internet this whole computer network
he said bound up with a structural economic and political power
said it's hard to disentangle
and it's hard to see that be is liberating
also global intelligence at work in this system this
raising picture you portrayed to us event
huge me forwarded consciousness of humanity
moderated lead aged
I'm by machine intelligence it's very hard to square that with the actual
picture we've seen before is
the political situation in Tunisia the degradation of the environment
banning the forests the depletion of resources
and so I just cannot see these this optimistic picture and
be what I see is it threatening realities
as long as as easily as you do is just or being for the weather and
and well-being good investable possible worlds well I think we're on the cusp
I agree with you i think within five years if we sit down and have this
conversation
either you will agree with me effortlessly
or I will agree with you effortlessly by that time it will be clear
either that will have been catastrophic wars
in May should be an enormous collapse if economies
spreading misery to many innocent people or
the firm handles these new global electronic mentalities
will have been exposed and people will
be living in the in the world as you say
rosy expectations we're in that narrow neck
this is the heat of battle fault the war has descended upon us
here at the Millennium but by 2002 2003
it will be clear that we have that the bifurcation has gone one way
or another right now just does remind me of the passage I resin
on the edge by Edwards and Robin and needed
page where are we 150
good running
it's what ralph Abraham calls the sunset effect
said Kenneth well as a beautiful sunset
even if the optical effects were produced by pollution
people won't understand the magnitude of the crisis said
time I think that this I mean you're
your senses and I i mean the magnitude of the crisis
in the environmental sense seems to bend their relation
to your optimism about this
computer system I just cannot altogether perhaps the problem that we will have to
address
without the intercession of machines years this population
thing because this passage you read directly impinges on that
weather and not the machines decide to keep pests around
may depend on whether we present from with the picture
falling populations and rising living standards
or whether we present the AI with the spectacle love rampant
I'm Pauline police population growth and resource
extraction because that's linked into our biology
this may be the active maturity
which the future demands about us that the machines will be largely irrelevant
to impacting so I'm not entirely a whole new debate actually the population
thing it assumes that an equal consumption resources yesterday I go
home
Whidbey Island Ferry and I found it very hard to struggle
I'm was a passenger struggle pasta recreational vehicle size
school bus I'm have a quantum leap in Albany
standards but I did not come across I'm where
memphis is the american population consuming more than the entire Indian
village
so I don't think it's total population is involved
and so I don't see that as the principal crisis impact
mall it's certainly true that one man in the high-tech industrial democracy
who has a child that child consumes about
eight hundred percent more resources and its lifetime
a than a child born in bangladesh
nevertheless it's the populations have the high-tech industrial democracies