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Rob Wilson: I didn't even get to hold up my 5 minute sign to Gregor
so there is a plenty of time for discussion. Is there a quick question from anyone on the panel
to start, or if there's not we can just open things.
Gregor Walbring: You guys, feel free. (laughing)
Rob Wilson: We can come back, or were you about to?
Edward Stein: I was about to. So... okay
So..
I'd like to get you thoughts a little bit on
what are sort of the ethical
implications of some of the thoughts that you had. Maybe I'll leave it a little bit
open-ended, and then we can have a further discussion. But... Gregor Walbring: Of course
Edward Stein: So just um...when we're
Maybe connecting up to the talk
we heard earilier that there is, that we have to sort of change our picture of what is a human right.
So, how do you think that
if we move away towards abilism this will affect our view of human rights?
Gregor Walbring: Well, I mean, it depends on what comes down the pipeline. If you indeed were to be able to give
cognition to animals, you'd very likely end up with sentient right.
Right, human rights as a concept is obsolete. Right, if you indeed
because human rights are mostly linked to conciousness
We can say it's based on the species, but species is based on (incoherent)
based on consciousness. So, if indeed...and of course there are people out there
who want to give consciousness to animals as a way to fight speciesism.
So, if it's really about
... if we only value people based on cognition that's where the research will go.
I mean, that's where the drivers will be, that's where our enhancement comes. Right.
And, then it will change. I mean, depending what comes
down the pipe line you will change human rights as a term.
(audience question cut out of video)
Natasha Vita-More: Set of variables that
go along with... if we are not in a
biological body, and if we are not
flying around in airplanes, and using a lot of electricity,
and eating a lot of food, and having a lot of cows,
what does that mean to the carbon footprint? These are really serious
issues. I've been elected to the green party politics.
I am an environmentalist, have been for years. And, these are some of the issues I took when
I was elected in Los Angeles, and I want to ask you, Gregor,
what do you think about that? If we are not biological,
if we are not eating, and we are not growing cows, and flying around in airplanes,
if we are existing with extreme enhancement
what would that mean to this situation of the environment?
Gregor Walbring: Well, A, I mean, as it is in the moment (incoherent)
I mean...normally the new, the technology is normally only (incoherent)
Right so I mean first we have to see whether you really get
your extreme...right. Not behind? (audience laughing)
I thought I can hide for my answer
if they are not getting attached to that. Damn it!
I don't see anything, any mechanism yet where you would gets this
enough that you make any influence on the
carbon-footprint because I mean the extreme. A,
mind-uploading and so on is A, not there.
This is one of the more long-term ones. Right. But, also then whether
you get all 100% into that is again a whole different story.
And, whether even certain groups want this and in certain cultures and so on
it's again... there are so many parameters we haven't
really thought about at the moment.
Natasha Vita-More: And, this addresses your question to Gregor about, you know, does someone living longer
and enhancing and upgrading and uploading
take the life... you know drain the energy source from someone else.
Then it depends on the substrait. And you know, who knows? I mean,
I tend to think like Bucky Fuller as far as design. You know,
so you know as much for everyone.