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every human contact today in some sense in some way or another well
spirits welding tools and gongs I'm
good to explain the universal distribution is this is part of
traditional human thinking
requires at some stage in the past
there have been two an awareness that this all the wrong consciousness
this is not incompatible with sign deciding or any other drunk on officers
because
days might have kick started this connection with
another long consciousness but if we assume that today
all over the world shame and cultures and all other cultures have the sensor
other levels for and other kinds of conscious and it is beyond human level
something animal forms and some forms way beyond that
we have to assumes at some stage in
times was a linking with these other rooms consciousness whatever they all
not just metaphors not just archetypes in the collective mind but
forms a consciousness that might well and I think actually of
out that while I am in trying to
think conservatively about the possibility of non-human
local intelligence a
it seems to me that in the wing nature
now presents as an intelligence
that the understanding of nature use the understanding of
but complex integrated systems
such complex at the bit to deny them consciousness
is just too reluctance so the reductions
mani that for anyone not burden
by that prejudice itself as a
that nature is alive columnists and
I'll a responding it's interesting that
really all things we can agree upon here
is that the time frame is roughly 50,000 years
ok well so a whole bunch of things are triangulating on that moment
one could say as I've argued that it was the evening absolute sign and mushrooms
you could make a more general statement and say that was a subset
well the consequence a a an omnivorous diet
but if I made sure were exactly where these mushrooms a hundred thousand years
ago
good well the way I think about it is there was an incremental
involvement that had a
punctuated breakthroughs and in other words the slow meeting
of mind mushroom social complexity
acoustical abilities link to normal physiological states
didn't just smoothly preceded all came together the band at a certain point it
jailed and this is this fifty thousand
year point where social understanding
technology linguistic repertoires
depth diet was you know
clinging to this material stuff I think we can it's about time that we
will there will be a material trap cold here if you believe in angels descended
from on high
well I suppose that you okay you have the software that draws
the bubble tea way the or novelty serious we might appealed
theory also exploratory strategy
here cognitive strategy in dealing with the bifurcation fifty thousand years ago
if you run the program back for a hundred thousand years do you
or you know trying to keep their nobly way than 50,000 BC
everyone was not based on data only extrapolation but is there
isn't there well I think there were a series of breakthroughs for instance
a hundred and twenty thousand years ago the modern *** Sapien sapien
for appeared in other words no
in short know there's no both and
me a the invention no
writing nine thousand years ago was an enormous
breakthrough but all of these things proceed
out of the further integration complex application of the nervous system
in connection with there were talking to the imagination
believe this that you're presenting yourself as a conventional
materialist evolutionary theorist doesn't
but they lacked Arians who built the mushroom hunt
this is not your pal your favorite pro you see with their own theory
you can always just say they encountered the mushroom and then it proceeded from
there
but you can go one step back and say who placed the lecture or in there and
they're
if you're in there and that was the year preceding your civilization
no librarians who swirled
good good they died out at that point because they had poison the environment
with toxic chemicals and create a global climate warming which resulted in
drying up the desert the Sahara Desert from which he was sprung forth
a blue up psychedelic mushrooms that have been hiding under the service
previous because it was too wet
that's why the loud all night here
years William Obama come spinning in his grave
good I I S E
you think that DNA and the expression of genes
is a simpler explanation than a divine intervention at the level the novelty
way
I think that the DNA is divine
I ok really a high
skated
it is corrected a room about you list a middleman
good
I think UCI I can't quite get your position cuz the
the new habaneros skeptic your meaning to his head
you see it doesn't seem to fit in well with Terence McKenna wrong
non-human entities mission you know Center
I mean the idea other kinds of consciousness other homes in
entity that and not just inside our brains
and appearing in relation to deranged states of mind
pharmacologically and used the idea that out there seems to be
an essential part 2 most what I heard you say many years
well I'm sort of getting into what I intended to say
later but I think the key thing is not to concentrate on
materialist versus non materialistic explanations
but to realize that the new patient nature
is not as matter or energy but has
information and a information is expressed in the DNA it's expressed epic
genetically and culture
what's happening is that information was running itself on a primate
platform but you all thing according to its own agenda
in a sense we have a symbiotic relationship
to a non-material being which we call language
and we think it's hours and we think we control
disease and what's happening it's running itself its time-sharing
primate nervous system and evolving toward its own
conclusions now i text shot Mine tolerant
him is so early in the morning yes well this is this damn
drug diamond ring don't
makes you give it all away to saint
ok should I say I think I mean the
the discussion said has been remarkably earthbound
and if we assume that information is not confined to this planet
if we to question your information technology if we assume that
consciousness is not limited to the eye
if we assume that they're not any conscious beings on other planets
but also that other elements that the universe like stones
galaxies may have in mind and soul consciousness time
which I do see you then I'm
it becomes very likely is at some stage their a consciousness on earth could
link somehow with those higher forms of consciousness
who knows maybe buy something like
interplanetary telepathy something about coming
say if there's some Lincoln call human consciousness with
other forms of consciousness and Unidos then when that contact was established
that would be a big transition that it could have been propelled or kicked off
by
drugs it could have a be kicked off by some mutations that lead to more diverse
interconnections but when it happens
this connection with other forms of consciousness would transform
human nature yes it would fit with the facts because there's a belief in Sonora
planet last
can I remind you parents have a quotation from the front pages have your
first book
speculating that
mushroom spores are intergalactic travelers that they have a
hard case impervious to ultraviolet rays the
enables them to you floral ago Arctic wind
from planetary system planetary system bringing else
as Rupert suggest linguistic communications from
other love life forms including a material way
forms that they've when the conversation with them the past I think that this is
an approximate summary of your preference but notice how a materialist
and
space and time down the bat hypothesis ears
I could agree with everything Rupert said I think now our intellectual
toolkit
has been enriched by the virtual confirmation of the idea that there is a
payroll tight non-local
a aspect to the universal I do think we're in contact with all intelligence
in the universe through the bell non-local
connection but that means that it has no history City
this connection it is always been there complete an entire
so why there is the same so progressing toward a priori
erupting through into normal birth bound affairs
is not because someone and the Andromeda Galaxy makes a decision now we will
reveal ourselves to the Earthlings
its that the antenna system and the nervous system of the Earthlings
get the ball through a a point where suddenly
this became self-evident world our coming to the question for the first
time
in the admired context and which we
or have not only all space crawl
time informing us I'm here me remind you of all the beads
so letter which is quoted in The last tracker bar to bar or he
challenges us to consider the mystical over
which he describes old more or less in the
language over David balms I'll
implicate order all hard I'm all spaces
somehow existence or interconnected ball intelligence which isn't for
let's just assume such a thing nevertheless
the I'll signs so far
colleagues is more or less a true story
all evolution know that their world
change the way we did become a promising a certain moment that before that moment
we didn't speak afterwards we did and a %uh the question arises and I think this
is
in my interpretation with question we started with your
how could it be that with or without divine intervention that there is this
more or less
linear progress you know
human intelligence culture capability
to using air exponential population growth
that is correlated without any calls or implication with the decent
the novelty wave why we have this peculiar
artifact this is an operational fact that there's this increase in complexity
civilization apparently looking for
a spectacular transformation which we are associating with the word well let
me know
what's going on well novelty theory would just say
the universe is a complexity conserving ancient
whatever complexity it achieves by any means
it makes that the platform for a for either
thrust into deeper complexity if you don't like novelty
here you know the morphogenetic fields never forgets
week for gets a little but it never it can be set back but it can never be sent
back to zero when it always
once it get out of the ditch it heads back in the same direction it has
a vector Fieldcrest friends and then you mentioned David Ball
his idea thing merchant properties
seems to achieve the same and without at T los
novelty theory he simply says at when you complex affiant
system new properties will emerge
suddenly and unexpectedly that couldn't have been
predicted if you put emergence theory with novelty
theory you see that the universe could not but
proceed along the line no complex occasional morphogenetic expression
density upcoming tivity and all
things pic retard entropy and gives rise to in fact
the complex and on and tell pic ordered
apparently teleological Ian form cause most that wearing
well now we see them up
and what you've described his lap good
there was one of those burbs was been extraordinary okay
in bed that there is then no
revealed a kind of the evolutionary theory a cosmological
hypothesis this is a theological position basically
the earlier logical timeless implicated
border there there is light on planet earth and
the rest of the universe which people's
according to this theoretical ruled by an increase of complexity
when something is revealed as a development
is not for Gollum builds upon that