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>> IT'S TIME.
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>> HERMAN: WELCOME TO PART TWO
OF OUR DISCUSSION.
I SAID WHEN WE STARTED THESE,
ONE AND TWO, WE WOULD GIVE YOU
HELL, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GIVE
YOU HEAVEN.
WE HAVE DR. DAVID ANDERSON, MY
FAVORITE SON-IN-LAW WITH US.
DO YOU ENJOY STUDYING THE WORD
OF GOD?
>> YES, I DO, BUT DO YOU HAVE
ANOTHER DAUGHTER THAT I'M
UNAWARE OF.
I'M YOUR FAVORITE SON-IN-LAW, IS
THERE ANOTHER HIDING SOMEWHERE.
>> YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE, THAT'S
IT.
>> I'M I LOVE TO DO IT.
I'M THRILLED THAT I GET PAID TO
DO IT FOR A LIVING.
>> THE SUBJECT OF HEAVEN.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HELL,
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A GROUP
OF PASTORS THAT HAD NEVER
PREACHED ABOUT HELL.
WOULD THE SAME SURVEY WORK WITH
PREACHING ABOUT HEAVEN?
>> NO, BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT
YOU BRING UP THAT, BECAUSE 59%
OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN HELL,
BUT 90% BELIEVE IN HEAVEN.
HEAVEN IS A THING WE WANT TO
BELIEVE IN.
HELL IS THE THING WE WANT TO
DISNEY, BUT ONE OF THE STATS BY
BARNA SAYS OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE
IN HELL, ONLY 6% THINK THEY ARE
GOING THERE BUT OF THE PEOPLE
WHO BELIEVE IN HEAVEN, SOMETHING
LIKE 85% THINK WE'RE GOING
THERE.
BECAUSE OF THAT POSITIVE MESSAGE
THAT WE'RE ALWAYS HEARING IN
EVERY, WHETHER IT'S ON TV OR IN
THE CHURCH.
>> YES.
>> SO SOMEHOW, BY OSMOSIS, FEEL
LIKE, THIS IS ME.
>> IMAGINE IF YOU WERE IN THE
HOSPITAL AND YOU HAD CANCER
PATIENTS AND SOME OF THEM ARE
TERMINAL, THEY ARE GOING TO DIE
BUT THE DOCTOR CAME IN AND SAID
YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEALED.
THIS IS ALL GOING TO WORK OUT
GREAT.
YOU'LL BE WALKING IN A MONTH,
WHAT A CRUEL, VICIOUS DOCTOR
THAT WOULD BE, TO BE PROCLAIMING
POSITIVE TRUTH TO SOMEBODY WHO
IS DYING AND THEY NEED HELP.
THAT'S WHAT THE CHURCH HAS
BECOME.
WE'VE BEEN MESSENGERS OF HOPE,
JOY AND PEACE TO A WORLD WHO
HASN'T MET THE REQUIREMENT,
WHICH IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS.
>> COMMENT, DEATH IS A GATEWAY
TO NEVER ENDING JOY.
>> FOR SOME OF US.
I DON'T MEAN MEAN THAT TO BE
ARROGANT.
HEAVEN, FOR THOSE OF US WHO
BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, DEATH
IS SIMPLY A MOMENTARY TRANSITION
TO A WORLD THAT WE CAN'T EVEN
IMAGINE AS ISAIAH AND PAUL SAID.
I HAVEN'T -- NO EYE HAS SEEN,
NOR EAR HAS HEARD NOR ENTERED
INTO THE THOUGHTS OF MAN WHAT
GOD HAS IN STORE FOR US.
>> LIKE DISNEY ON STEROIDS.
>> I LIKE THAT.
GOT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PLUG.
THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE
BOOKS.
I'M READING IT FOR THE SECOND
TIME.
I INTERVIEWED HIM.
HE SPENT ABOUT EIGHT YEARS
PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, WITH ALL
THE GREEK, HEBREW, AND ALL OF
THAT STUFF.
AND IT'S AN AMAZING JOURNEY
THROUGH THIS BOOK, TALKING ABOUT
HEAVEN, AND IT IS JUST DONE
WONDERS FOR ME.
IT REALLY HAS.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A WEBSITE OR
ANYTHING, IF YOU GO TO GOOGLE
AND LOOK UP RANDY ALCORN, YOU'LL
FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW TO GET YOUR
COPY, BECAUSE THIS, YOU NEED TO
HAVE.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, ANY BOOK
WRITTEN BY RANDY ALCORN IS A
GOOD BOOK.
>> I LOVE THIS COMPANION THAT HE
HAS, TOO, IN FACT, YOU CAN GET
THAT IF YOU GO AND GOOGLE IT, 50
DAYS OF HEAVEN AND IT'S REALLY,
JUST A BREAKDOWN OF EVERYTHING
IN THIS BOOK.
SO GET -- YOU WILL LOVE IT.
TRUST ME.
I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S GREAT.
>> LET'S GET INTO IT.
>> HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT HEAVEN
EXISTS?
>> CAN I READ TO YOU MY THREE
FAVORITE VERSES ON HEAVEN REAL
QUICKLY.
JOHN 14, ONE THROUGH SIX, LET
NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED, YOU
BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN
ME.
IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE ARE MANY
MANSIONS, IF IT WERE NOT SO I
WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU.
I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU
AND IF I GO AN PREPARE A PLACE
FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN TO
RECEIVE YOU TO MY SELF, THAT
WHERE I AM, THERE YOU MAY BE
ALSO.
>> THAT'S NUMBER ONE BECAUSE
JESUS SAID IT.
THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE IT'S THERE.
AND THEN IN I CORINTHIANS 2:9
BALL WRITES, NO EYE HAS SEEN NOR
EAR HEARD NOR ENTERED INTO THE
HEART OF MAN THE THINGS WHICH
GOD HAS FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.
SPEAKING OF AFTER THIS LIFE, AND
THEN THE WAY I APPLY SIT ROMANS
8:18, WHEN PAUL WRITES, FOR I
CONSIDER, THAT THE SUFFERINGS OF
THIS PRESENT TIME ARE NOT WORTHY
TO BE COMPARED TO THE GLORY THAT
SHALL BE REVEALED IN US.
SO I BELIEVE IN HEAVEN BECAUSE
JESUS SAID HE'S GOING TO GO
PREPARE A PLACE FOR US.
AND HE WASN'T JUST A CARPENTER
HERE ON EARTH.
HE'S SOME TYPE OF CARPENTER IN
HEAVEN CONSTRUCTING AN ABODE
THAT WILL BLOW OUR MINDS, AND
PAUL SAID, IF WE KNEW WHAT THAT
WAS LIKE, WHICH WE CAN'T EVEN
REALLY CONCEIVE, NOTHING IN THIS
LIFE, AND HE HAD BEEN
SHIPWRECKED, LEFT FOR DEAD,
ABANDONED, EVENTUALLY EXECUTED,
HE SAID NONE OF THE SUFFERINGS
ARE EVEN WORTHY TO BE HELD UP IN
COMPARISON TO WHAT'S WAITING FOR
US.
>> THOSE ARE WONDERFUL
CONFIRMATIONS, THAT THERE IS
SOMETHING MUCH BETTER THAN THIS
LIFE ON EARTH.
>> LET'S GO DOWN SOME OF THEM.
HEAVEN IS THE ABODE OF GOD.
.
>> IT'S WHERE GOD LIVED.
NOT JUST THE SKY ABOVE US, OR
THE SPACE ABOVE US.
HEAVEN IS THE ABODE OF GOD, AND
IN I KINGS, THE BIBLE SAID, GOD,
WILL HE INDEED DWELL ON EARTH?
SPACE CAN'T CONTAIN YOU.
YOUR DWELLING PLACE, SO THE
PLACE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS
ANOTHER DIMENSIONAL AREA.
SOMEWHERE, WHERE GOD'S MANIFEST
PRESENCE AND HIS ESSENCE REST
AND RESIDES, BUT GOD IS ALSO
OMNIPRESENT.
HE'S IN THE LOWEST HELL AS THE
PSALMIST WROTE.
IF I GO TO THE MOUNTAINS, YOU'RE
THERE.
IF I GO TO THE SEA YOU'RE THERE.
GOD IS OMNIPRESENT, BUT HIS
OFFICIAL ABODE IS THE PLACE OF
HEAVEN.
>> HEAVEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE
OLD TESTAMENT AND HEAVEN TALKED
ABOUT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, SAME
AMOUNT OF TIME OR MORE IN THE
NEW TESTAMENT?
>> YOU MIGHT SAY IT'S MORE IN
THE OLD TESTAMENT, BECAUSE IT
SEEMS TO BE THE MOTIVATING
FACTOR FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
AND THEIR SACRIFICES, BUT THE
NEW TESTAMENT'S MESSAGE IS ONE
OF FORGIVENESS, BECAUSE OF A
REPENTANT BELIEVER TRUSTING IN
JESUS CHRIST.
SO THE MESSAGE IS MORE ABOUT THE
RESURRECTION OF CHRIST AND THE
CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST, AND
HIGHLIGHTS ABOUT HEAVEN.
IN REVELATION, YOU GET SOME VERY
VIVID PICTURES, AND THE LORD
TALKED ABOUT IT THERE, BUT WE
ONLY HAVE A FEW PICTURES OF
HEAVEN, ABOUT SCRIPTURE.
YOU TAKE ALL OF THE 56 BOOKS OF
THE BIBLE, NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, A
FEW CHAPTERS TOTAL WOULD BE
ABOUT HEAVEN.
BECAUSE HE CAN'T COMPREHEND IT.
IT'S BEYOND OUR ABILITY TO GRASP
WHAT IT IS.
IT WILL BE AMAZING, INCREDIBLE,
BEAUTIFUL, AND YOU'RE GOING TO
GET TO GO THERE, BUT THE MESSAGE
IS HOW DO WE GET TO GO THERE?
>> I USED TO THINK IT WAS A
FIGMENT OF OUR IMAGINATION.
THESE PEOPLE GO TO CHURCH ALL
THE TIME AND HEAR ABOUT THIS
STUFF AND PRETTY SOON THEY START
BELIEVING IN IT.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I
GUESS IT'S TRUE, SO THEY BUY IT.
UNTIL I TRUST.
>> I WAS TAUGHT THAT HEAVEN WAS
HERE ON EARTH, AS A CHRISTIAN
SCIENTIST, OUR HEAVEN WAS HERE.
>> SO THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT
GETS?
>> AS GOOD AS IT GETS.
ONLY BY GRACE CAN WE ALLOW AND
ACCEPT EVIL THAT THERE IS A
THING CALLED SATAN WHICH WE
CALLED ERROR BACK THEN.
ONLY THEN IS ANYTHING TARNISHED,
BUT THIS IS HEAVEN AND WE'LL
LIVE FOREVER AND WE'LL DIE AS
LONG AS WE DON'T ACCEPT THE FACT
THAT DEATH IS REAL.
YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TRANSITION
YOUR MIND THINKS.
THEY SAY SPIRIT AND MIND BECAUSE
THE SPIRIT IS MIND AND TRUTH AND
SPIRIT.
IT'S A NEW AGE HODGEPODGE.
LONG BEFORE THEY WERE USING THE
TERM "NEW AGE," THAT'S WHAT
CHRISTIAN SCIENCE IS, AND IT WAS
ALL POSITIVE, HOPE, NO DEATH, NO
DISEASE, NO SIN, NO WICKEDNESS,
NO HELL, JUST GOODNESS, ALL
AROUND YOU, AS LONG AS YOU
BELIEVE THAT NOTHING --
>> ACTUALLY SOME PARTS OF THAT
ARE EVEN IN BIBLICAL CHURCHES.
>> I WOULDN'T CALL THEM BIBLICAL
CHURCHES, BUT WHAT YOU WOULD SAY
TODAY, THEY CALL THEMSELVES
CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
AND EVANGELICAL CHURCHES.
>> YOU JUST THINK GOOD THOUGHTS,
THAT SUPER SEEDS ANY BAD THINGS
THAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU.
>> YES, YOU CAN MAKE THOSE GOOD
THINGS HAPPEN BY YOUR THOUGHTS
ABOUT THEM.
THAT IS STRAIGHT OUT OF
CHRISTIAN SCIENCE.
AND THE NEW THOUGHTS, THE NEW
THOUGHT IN CHRISTIAN SCIENCE,
WHICH WE NOW CALL NEW AGE, BUT
IT SOUNDS SO GOOD AND SOUNDS SO
POSITIVE AND IT LIFTS YOU UP.
>> IT EMPOWERS YOU, BUT THE
CHURCH HAS HEARD THAT, THAT
SOUNDS GOOD, AND WE'VE TAKEN
SOME OF THOSE TEACHINGS AND
TRIED TO FIND A VERSE THAT
SERVES IT SO WE CAN SAY TO OUR
PEOPLE, YOU, TOO, HAVE THE SAME
POWER, YOU CAN SPEAK THINGS INTO
EXISTENCE WHEN GOD IS THE ONLY
CREATOR.
WE DON'T CREATE ANYTHING.
EVERYTHING THAT IS, GOD HAS
CREATED.
GOD IS THE CREATOR.
WE'RE HIS CREATION, AND WE
RESPOND TO THE CREATOR.
HE WORKS THROUGH US AND DOES
MIGHTY THINGS, MIRACULOUS THINGS
FOR HIS CHILDREN.
THERE IS ALWAYS GOD WHO IS DOING
IT, NEVER US.
>> HEAVY ISN'T THE ABODE OF
ANGELS.
>> AND HEBREWS, CHAPTER 11, THE
BIBLE SAYS THERE IS AN
ENUMERABLE COMPANY OF ANGELS SO
THEY ARE THE SUPER NATURAL
CREATURES FROM VANTAGE POINT
THAT GOD DOESN'T LET US SEE BUT
A FEW TIMES IN BIBLICAL HISTORY.
OUR VISION IS CLOAKED FROM THEM
BUT THEY ARE ALL AROUND US BUT
THEY ALSO INHABIT THIS PLACE
CALLED HEAVEN, AND THEY ARE
MIGHTY, BIBLE CALLS THEM.
THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY FEMALE
OR MALE.
THEY DON'T HAVE WINGS AS FAR AS
WE KNOW.
THAT'S MAN'S INTERPRETATION OF
THEIR ABILITY TO TRAVEL.
BUT THEY ARE SUPER NATURAL
CREATURES BEYOND OUR
COMPREHENSION, IF ONE WAS TO
APPEAR BEFORE US, WE WOULD FALL
DOWN AND WORSHIP THEM, WHICH
HAPPENS EVERY TIME IN SCRIPTURE,
WHEN AN ANGEL APPEARS, PEOPLE
FALL DOWN AND THE GOOD ANGELS
SAY GET UP, YOU'RE GOING TO GET
ME IN TROUBLE.
THE BAD ANGEL WOULD LET THE
PERSON STAY AND WORSHIP BUT
GOD'S ANGELS WILL NEVER TAKE ANY
DEVOTION.
THEY WANT ALL DEVOTION TO GO TO
GOD.
>> THE BIBLE SAYS THEY REBELLED,
PART OF THE REBELLION WAS, THEY
WERE SUPPLANTING.
>> THEY LIKED THAT BOWING?
>> THEY WERE THROWN OUT BEFORE
MAN WAS MADE.
SO THEIR REBELLION PREEXISTED
MAN'S EXISTENCE.
SATAN HAD ALREADY FOLLOWED BY
THE TIME HE CAME INTO THE GARDEN
AND TEMPTED MAN.
>> HAVE YOU EVER HAD AN ANGEL
THAT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS
THERE, AND IT WAS GONE, AND IT
WAS, IT HAD TO BE SUPER NATURAL?
I DIDN'T SEE IT.
IT HELPED ME, BUT IT'S GONE.
HAVE YOU EVER HAD THAT?
>> I'VE HAD AN IMPRESSION THAT
THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED,
SOMETHING THAT I COULD NOT
EXPLAIN, WHERE I FELT A VERY
STRONG SENSE OF WARNING OR
INTENTVENTION.
MY SISTER HAD AN EXPERIENCE, SHE
BELIEVED --
>> SHE'S A BELIEVER?
>> SHE BELIEVES SHE WAS HEALED
BY A VISITING ANGEL.
WE OFTEN ENTERTAIN ANGELS
UNAWARE, SHE DID A VERY KIND,
GRACIOUS, CHARITABLE ACT TOWARDS
A WOMAN WHO GRABBED HER HAND AND
LOOKED HER IN THE HAND AND SAID
GOD BLESS YOU, AND MY SISTER
REACHED TO GIVE THE MONEY TO HER
AND WAS GONE.
THAT DAY HER TUMOR IN HER
THYROID WAS GONE AND SHE WAS
HEALED THAT DAY AND SHE BELIEVES
THAT WAS AN ANGEL.
WE DON'T KNOW.
>> IT WAS DIAGNOSED?
>> SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE
SURGERY TO HAVE IT REMOVED AND
THE DOCTOR SAID, IT'S
MIRACULOUS, IT'S GONE.
>> I JUST GOT GOOSE BUMPS ON MY
NECK.
>> WHEN ANGELS ACT, THEY DON'T
DO IT IN TERMS OF RECEIVING ANY
ATTENTION OR ANY GLORY.
THEY ARE THERE AS SERVANTS OF
GOD TO US.
WE CAN'T EVEN DISPATCH THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER
THEM.
THEY ARE GOD'S MESSENGERS TO THE
CHILDREN OF GOD.
WE JUST SIMPLY RECEIVE THEIR
MINISTRY.
>> HEAVY ISN'T THE ABODE OF THE
CHURCH.
THE BIBLE TELLS US, SOMEDAY,
WE'LL BE THERE AS THE VERY BRIDE
OF CHRIST.
SO ALL BELIEVERS IN JESUS WILL
SOMEDAY LIVE IN HEAVEN PROPER,
AS JOINT HEIRS WITH CHRIST AND
AS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST.
>> JOINT HEIRS.
>> MEANING --
>> WHATEVER HE HAS, WE HAVE.
WHATEVER HE HAS TITLE AND CLAIM
TO WE HAVE AS HIS JOINT HEIRS.
YOU THINK ABOUT WHY IN THE WORLD
WOULD GOD DO THAT?
>> THAT'S THAT INCREDIBLE GRACE
OF GOD.
HE TAKES US AS UNDERSERVING,
VIAL, REBELLIOUS SINNERS AND HE
REGENERATES US, SAVES US, MAKES
US HIS CHILDREN AND THEN
BETROTHS US TO HIS SON AND MAKES
US JOINT HEIRS OF ALL JESUS HAS.
I DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
>> SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
TAKE THE WORM OUT OF PSALMS, YOU
BELIEVE WE'RE THAT WORM?
>> THE ONLY VALUE WE HAVE IS
THAT GOD CREATED US, DESIGNED
ME, AND CALLED ME AND SAVED ME,
THAT'S MY REAL WORTH, AND TO BE
A TOOL THAT CAN BE USED OF GOD.
INHERENTLY, WE'RE SINNERS.
>> AND THE BIBLE SAYS, HE'S
GOING TO BURN UP THE WHOLE EARTH
SOMEDAY.
GOD IS NOT AVERSE TO CLEANSING
THE WORLD OF SIN AND DESTROYING
HIS CREATION.
THE BIBLE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO
IT SOMEDAY BUT HE SAVES THOSE
WHO BELIEVE.
>> ARE THERE GOOD BIBLE
THEOLOGIANS THAT BELIEVE THAT AS
WE SIT HERE, WE'RE IN THE
MILLENNIUM?
>> IN OTHER WORDS, THINGS ARE
GOING TO GET BETTER.
>> YES.
>> THINGS ARE ON A PATH OF TOTAL
TRANSFORMATION?
>> THE QUALIFYING TERM WOULD BE
GOOD.
THERE ARE SOME RESPECTED, THERE
ARE SOME ESTABLISHED, WELL KNOWN
BIBLE TEACHERS WHO DO BELIEVE
THAT WE'RE LIVING IN GOD'S
DOMINION AND THINGS WILL GET
BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER,
UNTIL CHRIST COMES BACK.
AND PART OF OUR ROLE --.
>> WE'RE ACTUALLY, AS
CHRISTIANS, GOING TO TAKE OVER
THE WEALTH OF THE WICKED.
>> THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE
THE WORLD BECOME MORE AND MORE
AND MORE LIKE CHRIST UNTIL HE
COMES.
THE EMERGENT CHURCHES, EVEN A
GREAT DEAL OF THE REFORMED
MOVEMENT, IS ALL ABOUT
INFLUENCING THE WORLD TO GET
BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER FOR
THE RETURN OF CHRIST.
OUR PARTICULAR UNDERSTANDING IS
--
>> I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT
YOU, BUT WOULD THAT BE LIKE THEY
ARE TRYING TO BRING HEAVEN RIGHT
NOW INSTEAD OF THE HEAVEN THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WILL
EVENTUALLY, LIKE RANDY IS TALK,
IN THIS BOOK, THE NEW HEAVEN,
THE NEW EARTH.
>> I WANT TO SAY THE NAMES
AGAIN.
IF YOU READ SOME OF THE EMERGENT
AUTHORS AND PASTORS, THAT'S THE
EXACT TERMS THAT THEY USE.
WE WANT HEAVEN ON EARTH.
GOD HAS CALLED US TO BRING
HEAVEN TO EARTH.
WHEN THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT
AT ALL.
>> SO THAT MEANS THAT WE WON'T
HAVE ANY SICKNESS RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE ERAD INDICATED SICKNESS,
DISEASE, I WILL LITERALLY,
WHATEVER THE BIG GIANT IS, THE
EVIL OF THE WORLD BUT THAT'S NOT
DID CALL OF THE CHURCH.
THE CALL OF THE CHURCH IS TO
PREACH THE MESSAGE OF JESUS
CHRIST FOR SALVATION BECAUSE THE
EARTH IS GOING TO BURN UP.
THE ONLY THING ETERNAL WILL BE
IN HEAVEN, AND GOD IS GOING TO
TAKE US TO HEAVEN.
HE'S NOT GOING TO BRING HEAVEN
TO EARTH UNTIL THE LAST DAYS
WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS, A 1400
SQUARE MILE CUBE OR PYRAMID, WE
CAN'T TELL, COMES DOWN FROM
HEAVEN AND LANDS ON EARTH.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A
CULTURE OF HEAVEN.
>> SO THE TIMING IS WRONG, THEN,
THAT THEY ARE PREACHING?
>> YES.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF
THINGS IN THE BIBLE, WHEN YOU
READ IT, YOU GO, I READ THROUGH
IT EVERY YEAR AND I'LL GET TO A
CERTAIN PAGE AND I GO, LORD, I
WISH YOU WERE HERE TO TELL ME,
AM I IN THE NOW ON THIS VERSE,
OR IS THIS TIMING LATER?
>> EVERYTHING IS IN TIMING WHEN
YOU'RE READING THE WORD OF GOD.
>> IF YOU KEEP IN MIND ALWAYS
THAT THE WORLD AS THE BIBLE
PORTRAYS IN REVELATION, IT WILL
BE IN HORRIBLE SHAPE WHEN JESUS
COMES BACK.
IF YOU KEEP THAT IN YOUR MIND,
THAT THE WORLD WILL GET WORSE
AND WORSE, AND THE ANTI-CHRIST
WILL RULE THE WORLD, THEN THIS
WHOLE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO
BUILD HEAVEN ON EARTH BECOMES
FOOLISH.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE UNTIL
JESUS COMES BACK.
ONLY THE PRINCE OF PEACE CAN
BUILD THE KINGDOM OF PEACE.
ONLY THE FATHER OF THE CHURCH,
JESUS, LORD, THE HOLY SPIRIT,
ONLY THEY CAN CREATE THE CHURCH.
WE CAN'T CREATE THE CHURCH.
WE ARE THE CHURCH AND WE PREACH
THE METHODS.
WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING.
ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.
>> HEAVY ISN'T THE ABODE OF
FAITHFUL ISRAEL.
EXPLAIN THAT.
>> WELL, THROUGHOUT THE OLD
TESTAMENT THAT'S THEIR PROMISE,
THAT IS THEIR DESTINY, THAT IS
THEIR CALLING, THAT THEY WILL BE
WHAT GOD IN HEAVEN -- THAT IS,
THE PROMISE TO GOD, BECAUSE --
IF THEY ARE FAITHFUL, THEY ARE
SAVED.
THEY WERE SAVED BY THEIR FAITH
AND THE MESSAGE OF FORGIVENESS,
FROM GOD.
COMMUNICATED THROUGH THE
SACRIFICE.
>> BEING A JEW DOESN'T MEAN
YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO HEAVEN.
>> NO.
BEING A FAITHFUL BELIEVER IN
GOD, AS A JEW, AT THAT TIME,
NOW, TODAY, BEING A FAITHFUL
JEW, YOU DON'T GO TO HEAVEN.
THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS YOU HAVE
TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST.
THERE IS NO OTHER NAME GIVEN
AMONG MEN, UNDER HEAVEN, WHEREBY
MEN MUST BE SAVED OTHER THAN
JESUS.
>> THEOLOGIANS, AGAIN, AUTHORS,
SAY THAT GOD IS FINISHED WITH
ISRAEL.
THAT IT'S GENTILES, RIGHT?
>> THEY SAY THAT, YES.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WHERE DO THEY GET THAT FROM?
>> IT'S THE CONCEPT THAT IN THE
IN THE TRANSPLANTED ISRAEL.
THAT ISRAEL WAS UNFAITHFUL AND
GOD SET IT ASIDE AND CREATED A
NEW ISRAEL, WHICH IS THE CHURCH,
WHICH IS A LOT OF THE REASON WHY
SOME OF THE PILGRIMS CAME TO
AMERICA, WAS TO BUILD THIS NEW
JERUSALEM IN AMERICA.
IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHO
THE CHURCH OF ISRAEL IS.
IF YOU LOOK AT PROPHECY AND
UNDERSTAND THE END TIMES, ISRAEL
IS PORTRAYED AS A NATION, WHICH
WE NOW KNOW IT IS, SINCE 1948,
BUT FOR 2,000 YEARS THAT SEEMED
LICK A RIDICULOUS CLAIM THAT
ISRAEL WOULD BE NATION AGAIN.
THEREFORE, ALL OF THOSE PROMISES
MUST BE TO THE CHURCH BECAUSE
ISRAEL CAN'T BECOME A NATION
AGAIN.
SO THROUGH THAT SPECULATIVE,
LOGICAL THINKING, WE ARE ADAPTED
ISRAEL'S PROMISES FOR THE CHURCH
OF JESUS CHRIST.
BUT THE BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT IT
IS, THE CHURCH IS AN
INTERRUPTION, IT'S A DELAY IN
GOD'S DEALING WITH ISRAEL.
GOD IS NOT DONE WITH ISRAEL.
GOD HAS GREAT PROMISES FOR
ISRAEL AND SOMEDAY IN THE
FUTURE, ISRAEL, THE NATIONS,
WILL TURN TO CHRIST AND IT
SOUNDS LIKE IT'S IN THE
TRIBULATION TIMES.
>> WHAT GROUPS BELIEVE GOT IS
FINISHED WITH ISRAEL?
>> I COULDN'T SAY THE GROUPS
SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THERE IS
SUCH A BLUR BETWEEN
EVANGELICALS, REFORMED, BIBLE
STUDIES AND MAIN LINE.
BUT A LOT OF THOSE WHO BROKE
AWAY FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
PROTESTANT MOVEMENT, A LOT OF
THEM BELIEVE THAT THE CHURCH IS
ISRAEL.
THE CATHOLICS USED TO TEACH THAT
THE CHURCH IS THE NEW ISRAEL.
THEREFORE, THAT'S WHY THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH YOU ABLE TO
ESTABLISH GOVERNMENT, AND BECOME
A GOVERNMENTAL POWER, BECAUSE
THEY ARE THE NEW ISRAEL.
THE PROTESTANTS WHO PULLED OUT
SORT OF TOOK IT WITH HIM.
THAT'S WHY CALVIN STARTED HIS
OWN KINGDOM IN SWITZERLAND AS A
GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY AND
LUTHER TRIED TO SET UP NEW
COMMUNITIES AND SETTLEMENTS
BECAUSE THEY SAW THEMSELVES AS
THE NEW JERUSALEM.
>> THERE ARE SOME BAPTISTS WHO
BELIEVE THAT AND CHARISMATICS.
>> YOU GO BACK TO TIMING.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE GET THE
TIMING WRONG.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE WRONG.
WE JUST GOT THE SLOT IN THE
WRONG POCKET.
>> YES.
>> GOD PROMISES OUR TRUE AND
REAL -- SOME OF HIS PROMISES ARE
FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL AND SOL
OF ITS PROMISES ARE TO THE
CHURCH AND THEY ARE NOT THE SAME
THING.
>> HEAVEN WILL HAVE A CITY.
>> YES.
>> IF YOU GET THIS BOOK, YOU
WILL UNDERSTAND, IN SUCH VIVID
UNDERSTANDING, AS HE WRITES IT,
I MEAN, IT'S JUST AMAZING.
>> I GET EXCITED EVERY TIME I
READ IT.
>> THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS
PRETTY SPECIFIC AS TO HOW IT
WILL LOCK.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CUBE OR
PYRAMID BUT 1400 MILES ALL THE
WAY AROUND.
THIS WAY AND EVERY WAY YOU CAN
GO, FROM NEW YORK CITY TO
DENVER, CANADA TO FLORIDA, ABOUT
THE SIZE, WALLS, 216 FEET TALL.
12 GATES MADE OF PEARLS.
STREETS OF GOLD, THAT ARE SO
PURE THEY ARE TRANSPARENT GOLD.
12 LAYERS ON THE FOUNDATION OF
THE CITY THAT'S DIAMOND LIKE AND
RUBY LIKE AND SAPPHIRE LIKE, AND
IT WILL BE JUST INCREDIBLY
BRILLIANT.
YET THE BIBLE --
>> IT'S GOT TONS OF BLING.
BUT WHEN THE BIBLE PORTRAYS IT
IN REVELATION, IT AT LIKE THERE
WON'T BE ANY LIGHT THERE OR
TEMPLE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED
IT BECAUSE JESUS IS THE FOCAL
POINT OF ALL OF HEAVEN.
SO WHEN WE GET THERE WE'LL WALK
RIGHT PAST THE INCREDIBLE WALL,
STREETS OF GOLD, TO LOOK AT THE
GLORIOUS ONE, JESUS CHRIST.
HE'LL OUTSHINE ALL OF THAT BUT
THE BIBLE PORTRAYS THE CITY AS
SOMETHING WE CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
>> AGAIN, WORD OF GOD TALKS
ABOUT, WE'LL REIGN FOR ETERNITY
OVER CITIES, NATIONS, AND
TERRITORIES.
>> YES.
>> SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING
TO BE JUST IS ITTING LISTENING
TO HARP MUSIC.
>> NO, WE'LL BE PLAYING THE
HARP.
>> I'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU.
>> DID YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO
EAT IN HEAVEN?
>> I READ THAT IN HERE.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT RANDY
ALCORN SAID BECAUSE HE'S
PROBABLY NOT THE STUDENT OF THE
WORD THAT I AM, BUT DO YOU KNOW
WHAT IT IS WE'LL EAT?
>> HERE WE GO.
>> I CAN TELL YOU.
>> IS THIS AN ANDERSON
TRANSLATION.
>> IT'S SIMPLY THE WORD OF GOD
SPEAKING.
>> PSALM 78, VERSES 24 AND 25,
GOD RAINED DOWN MANIA UPON THEM
TO EAT AND HE GAVE THEM THE
CORNS OF HEAVEN.
MEN DID EAT ANGELS FOOD.
CORN AND MEAT.
CORN DOGS.
>> THAT WILL PREACH.
THAT'S THE BIBLE TEACHING RIGHT
THERE.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT
ONE?
MY GOODNESS.
HEAVEN WILL HAVE THE THRONE OF
GOD, THE RIVER OF LIFE, AND THE
TREE OF LIFE.
>> THIS IS AN AMAZING PORTRAYAL
OF SOMETHING WE CAN ENVISION TO
SOME EXTENT AND GOD PORTRAYS IT
AS A MAJESTIC THRONE SURROUNDED
BY A RAINBOW THAT'S LIKE A
BRIGHT EMERALD GREEN WITH
LIGHTNING PROCEEDING FORTH FROM
IT AND HUNDREDS RATTLING THE
FLOOR BEFORE A SEA OF CRYSTAL
AND COMING OUT OF THE THRONE, A
RIVER OF LIFE, THAT SOMEHOW
BRINGS LIFE TO THE ENTIRE
COMMUNITY OF HEAVEN, AND ACROSS
THAT RIVER IS AN ENORMOUS TREE,
THAT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER,
IT BEARS THE GRAPEFRUIT THAT
SAYS FOR THE HEALING OF THE
NATIONS, THE RIVER OF LIFE, THE
TREE OF LIFE, THAT DISAPPEARED
IN THE GARDEN, EVIDENTLY, IS
BACK IN HEAVEN, AND THIS THRONE
FROM WHICH THIS LOUD ROARING
THUNDER AND LIGHTNING AND
BRILLIANT BRIGHT LIGHT SITS, THE
HOLY ONE, THE ANCIENT OF DAYS,
THAT'S ONLY PORTRAYED A FEW
TIMES IN SCRIPTURE AND ONE OF
THEM IS IN DANIEL, WHERE HE'S
SITTING THERE ON THE THRONE AND
THE MAJESTIC BRIGHT LIGHT AND
ALL WHITE RULING ALL HEAVEN AND
EARTH.
SO THAT WILL BE THE FOCAL POINT
AND EVEN THEN THE BIBLE SAYS,
IT'S ALL ABOUT JESUS.
>> HEAVY LISTEN BE FULL OF
FELLOWSHIP, SINGING, SERVING,
AND LEARNING.
>> YEAH.
>> IMAGINE, LEARNING MAY BE
INSTANTANEOUS, BUT WE'LL LEARN A
LOT THE MINUTE WE GET THERE.
>> I CORINTHIANS SAYS, WE'LL
KNOW EVEN AS WE'RE KNOWN.
WE GET TO HEAVEN, AND WHETHER
IT'S IMPARTED TO US
INSTANTANEOUSLY OR WE LEARN IT
OVER TIME, WE'LL LEARN WHAT GOD
REALLY IS.
IF IT'S TRUE AND IT SEEMS TO BE,
THAT THERE ARE 300 BILLION
GALAXIES IN THE UNIVERSE, WE'RE
GOING TO FINALLY UNDERSTAND,
THEN WHY JUST ON ONE PLANET.
WHY WAS ALL OF THIS CREATED FOR
THAT ONE TINY PLANET?
IT WILL MAKE SENSE TO US THEN.
WANT TO KNOW WHO GOD IS JESUS
IS, WE'LL KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS
SATAN WAS, HOW FOOLISH WE WERE
TO EVEN BELIEVE AT ANY POINT
THAT WE WERE GODS WITH A LITTLE
"G."
WE'RE GOING TO LEARN TREMENDOUS
THINGS THE MINUTE WE GET THERE.
>> SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE
THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HEAVEN,
SHARE CHRIST.
>> IF YOU DON'T BELIEVER YOU'RE
GOING TO GO TO HEAVEN, THAT
BELIEF CAN BE ALTERED BY A
CORRECT BELIEF.
A BELIEF IN A PERSON.
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
HE SAID, I AM THE WAY, THE
TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND NO MAN
COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.
YOU CAN'T GET THERE THROUGH
ANOTHER BELIEF SYSTEM.
YOU CANNOT GET THERE THROUGH A
SERIES OF GOOD DEEDS.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY OPEN
DOOR.
HE'S THE ONLY PATH.
HE'S THE ONLY ACCESS TO HEAVEN
BECAUSE HE RULES IT.
HE GOVERNS IT.
HE'S THE WORD THAT -- HE MADE
THE HEAVEN HIMSELF.
>> THE BIBLE SAYS HE'S THERE
RIGHT NOW TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR
US AND HE'LL COME AGAIN AND TAKE
US TO IT.
IF YOU WONDER IF YOU'RE GOING TO
GO TO HEAVEN, I WOULD SAY THE
RESPONSE TO HAVE TODAY WOULD BE
TO ACCEPT THE GOSPEL FOR WHAT IT
SAYS THAT YOU'RE A SINNER WHO
DOES NOT DESERVE HEAVEN.
BUT THAT JESUS CAME TO DIE IN
YOUR PLACE BECAUSE THE FATHER
LOVES YOU, AND CHRIST DIED ON
THE CROSS, BROKE HIS BODY, IN
PAYMENT FOR YOUR SIN, SHED HIS
BLOOD, TO CLEANSE YOU FROM YOUR
SIN, AND THEN ROSE FROM THE DEAD
TO BREAK THE POWER OVER SIN,
THAT YOU, BY BELIEVING IN HIM,
AND HIS WORK, COULD HAVE ETERNAL
LIFE.
THEN THE PROMISE WOULD APPLY TO
YOU.
LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED.
BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE IN ME.
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THAT IF
THOU SHALT CONFESS WITH THAT I
MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE
IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD RAISED
HIM FROM THE DEAD, THOU SHALT BE
SAVED.
WHO SOW EVER SHALL CALL UPON THE
NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.
I KNOW DAD VERY WELL, I KNOW HIS
PASSION FOR YEARS HAS BEEN FOR
PEOPLE TO COME TO JESUS CHRIST,
AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS
PROGRAM TODAY, IT'S ON THE AIR,
SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR THE GOSPEL
AND TODAY, TRUST IN JESUS
CHRIST.
CONFESS YOUR SIN TO HIM.
ACKNOWLEDGE HIM FOR WHO HE IS,
ASK HIM TO SAVE YOU, FORGIVE
YOU, WHATEVER, BUT TRUST IN HIM,
AS THE LORD OF YOUR LIFE, AND
YOUR SAVIOR.