Tip:
Highlight text to annotate it
X
[MUSIC]
>> I WONDER WHAT IS YOUR IDEA OF A HEALTHY HOME?
IS A HEALTHY HOME THE SAME THING AS A PERFECT HOME?
WELL, WELCOME TO "HILLSONG TELEVISION."
I'M SO GLAD YOU'VE JOINED BOTH BOBBIE AND I
AS WE SPEAK ON HEALTHY HOMES. THIS IS A SERIES
THAT WE'RE DOING, NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE A PERFECT HOME,
BUT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN ALWAYS
TO KEEP IT A HEALTHY HOME. >> YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT--
YOU KNOW, BRIAN AND I HAVE BEEN MARRIED 35 YEARS.
WE HAVE THREE ADULT CHILDREN SO WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE
A PERFECT HOME, BUT I BELIEVE THAT
IT'S A HEALTHY HOME AND A HAPPY HOME.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY PRAYING AND BELIEVING THAT THIS SERIES IS
GONNA GIVE YOU SOME GREAT WISDOM AND SOME GREAT INSIGHTS TO BE
A BLESSING TO YOUR FAMILY.
>> DOES YOUR HOME HAVE AN OVERRIDING SENSE OF
CLARITY AND PURPOSE, CALLING AND PURPOSE, WHEN
IT COMES TO THE THINGS OF GOD? CALLING AND PURPOSE,
WHEN THE BENDS AND THE TWISTS AND THE CHALLENGES
COME IN A HOUSEHOLD, IN A FAMILY, WHEN YOUR FAMILY IS
BUILT AROUND SOMETHING WHEN YOU KNOW NOT ONLY WHAT YOUR LIFE IS
ABOUT BUT WHO YOUR LIFE IS ABOUT AND YOU BRING THAT INTO EVERY
ASPECT OF LIFE AND LIVING, THEN WHEN THE BUMPS AND THE BENDS
AND THE CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, THE, LITERALLY, THE POTHOLES
SOMETIMES IN LIFE, COME OUR WAY, WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE ROAD.
WHAT AN AMAZING THING WHEN YOU HIT A POTHOLE IN THE ROAD
BUT YOU KNOW THAT THE ROAD THAT YOU'RE ON IS THE WILL OF GOD.
THERE YOU HAVE THIS SENSE OF AUTHORITY OR THIS SENSE OF
PURPOSE THAT WILL CAUSE YOU TO JUST KEEP RELENTLESSLY
MOVING TOWARDS WHAT GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO.
WE CAN ALL BE DIFFERENT BUT ON THE SAME PATH
AND THAT'S THE WILL OF GOD, I FEEL, FOR ANY HOME.
LOOK, PAUL THE APOSTLE, HE WAS ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN
WHAT WAS ABOUT. "PAUL," THIS IS WHO I AM.
"AN APOSTLE," THIS IS WHAT I DO.
"OF JESUS CHRIST," THIS IS WHO I DO IT FOR.
"BY THE WILL OF GOD," THIS IS MY AUTHORITY.
WE, BOBBIE AND I, THIS IS WHO WE ARE.
CALLED TO BE PASTORS OF A CHURCH CALLED HILLSONG,
THIS IS WHAT WE DO. IN JESUS CHRIST,
THIS IS WHO WE DO IT FOR. BY THE WILL OF GOD, THIS IS OUR
GREAT STRENGTH, OUR AUTHORITY. TO THE SAINTS WHEREVER THEY MAY
GATHER AND AS FAR AS GOD ALLOWS US TO EXTEND, NOT JUST WITH
MORE CHURCHES BUT--OR MORE CONGREGATIONS, BUT BY JUST BEING
FAITHFUL TO WHAT GOD'S CALLED US TO DO HERE.
>> HALLELUJAH.
>> IF YOUR MARRIAGE AND YOUR FAMILY HAD A MISSION STATEMENT,
WHAT WOULD THAT MISSION STATEMENT BE?
WHAT IS THE OVER-ARCHING MISSION ON YOUR MARRIAGE?
WHAT IS THE OVER-ARCHING MISSION ON YOUR FAMILY?
YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING.
SO IF YOU WERE TO FILL IN THE GAPS, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
HOPEFULLY, THOUGH SADLY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CHRIST REALLY
STILL DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE IN HIM.
BUT YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND I GUESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO
AND HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW WHO YOU DO IT FOR.
AND IF YOU KNOW IT'S BY THE WILL OF GOD AND IF YOU KNOW EXACTLY
THE ROAD GOD'S CALLED YOU TO TRAVEL, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES SO
MUCH, SO MUCH DIFFICULTY OUT OF SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE.
YOU KNOW THE ROAD YOU'RE ON. IT TAKES SO MUCH OF
THE CHALLENGE OUT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO HEAR
THE VOICE OF THE SPIRIT. WE ALWAYS GOTTA STAY SENSITIVE
TO GOD AND OPEN TO HIM. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA
ALWAYS BE READY TO TAKE THE JOURNEY AND SOMETIMES IT
TAKES US ON UNEXPECTED PATHS. BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE
EVERYBODY HERE TO BE THINKING ABOUT CLARITY AND PURPOSE.
JOSHUA, HE KNEW. JOSHUA 24:15, "AS FOR ME AND MY
HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD." THAT'S FAIRLY CLEAR.
THAT'S FAIRLY CLEAR. HE SAID, "AS FOR ME AND MY
HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD." NOTICE IT'S, "AS MORE ME AND MY
HOUSE," NOT ME WITHOUT MY HOUSE. ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE GODLY
WISDOM SHOULD BE CALLED FOR IS HOW TO INVOLVE YOUR HOUSEHOLD
IN WHAT GOD'S CALLED YOU TO DO, NOT AT THE COST OF HIS HOUSE.
IT WAS AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE. DO YOU KNOW SOMETIMES
JUST THE LITTLE THINGS LIKE AFTER CHURCH SUNDAY NIGHTS
WHEN OUR CHILDREN WERE SMALL, I THINK WE PRETTY WELL
ALWAYS WOULD START HEADING TOWARDS THE GOLDEN ARCHWAYS,
MCDONALD'S, AND THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE JOURNEY AND
IT'S AMAZING HOW YOU CAN MAKE THE WILL OF GOD EXCITING.
IT IS AMAZING HOW YOU CAN MAKE THE WILL OF GOD EXCITING IF YOU
JUST GET A LITTLE BIT CREATIVE ABOUT IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT HARD. LISTEN, AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE,
INVOLVEMENT, ME AND MY HOUSE, NOT MY HOUSE WITHOUT ME.
LISTEN TO THAT BECAUSE EXAMPLE IS CRITICAL.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS TRYING TO LIVE ONE WAY AND
THINKING THAT YOUR CHILDREN ARE GONNA TURN OUT A DIFFERENT WAY.
YOU GOTTA BE A LEADER WHEN IT COMES TO CALLING AND PURPOSE.
YOU GOTTA BE A LEADER IN YOUR HOME WHEN IT COMES TO LEADING
THEM INTO THE CALLING THAT GOD HAS FOR THEIR LIVES.
COME ON, BOBBIE. >> AMEN.
I LOVE THAT LAST THOUGHT. I WANT TO GIVE BRIAN A HAND
'CAUSE THAT WAS AMAZING. AMEN.
YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO, LAURA, OUR DAUGHTER LAURA
CAME OVER TO THE HOUSE AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW LAURA,
HER AND HER HUSBAND, PETER, LEAD ONE OF OUR YOUTH GROUPS
ON THE HILL'S CAMPUS AND SHE'S VERY INVOLVED
IN THE WHOLE CREATIVE SIDE OF THINGS.
SO THEY LEAD BIG, BUSY LIVES AND THEY'RE YOUNG.
AND SO SHE CAME OVER, SHE JUST SAT DOWN AT THE DINING ROOM
TABLE AND WE WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUT OF BLUE, SHE JUST KIND OF SAID
SOMETHING, WHICH WAS A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR HER TO SAY
SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT SHE GOES, "SO MOM,
IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE CHALLENGING, ISN'T IT, BALANCING EVERYTHING?"
IT WAS A BUSY SEASON IN CHURCH LIFE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
"IT'S QUITE CHALLENGING BALANCING EVERYTHING."
AND I REMEMBER LOOKING AT HER AND I ALMOST, I ALMOST SAID--
FOR A SPLIT SECOND I ALMOST RESPONDED WITH, "NO."
AND THEN I REMEMBERED. I REMINDED MYSELF OR MAYBE IT
WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT REMINDING ME THAT I'M 55 AND SHE'S 25,
YOU KNOW? I'M AN EMPTY NESTER THESE DAYS.
IT'S JUST BRIAN AND I AND SHE HAS A VERY VIBRANT AND GORGEOUS
AND VIVACIOUS 2-YEAR-OLD. AND I'VE BEEN IN MINISTRY
FOR 40 YEARS AND SHE'S BEEN IN MINISTRY FOR HOWEVER LONG
SHE'S BEEN IN MINISTRY. AND THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT
OF A REALITY CHECK THERE AND I REALLY THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES
TO THIS WHOLE MAGNIFICENT REALITY OF LIFE AND MINISTRY
AND CALLING AND PURPOSE, THAT, YOU KNOW, LEARNING HOW TO
BALANCE ALL OF THAT, LEARNING HOW TO BALANCE ALL
OF THESE DYNAMICS IS ACTUALLY LEARNED OVER A LIFETIME.
IT'S NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, DISCOVERED AND EXEMPLIFIED
OUT OF YOUR LIFE IN ONE DAY OR ONE WEEK.
YOU KNOW, THE PROVERBS 31 WOMAN, WHICH IS WHERE WE KIND OF
STARTED THIS SERIES, WHICH ISN'T JUST TO WOMEN, IT'S ACTUALLY
TO MEN AND WOMEN YOUNG AND OLD. IT ACTUALLY GIVES EXPRESSION TO
INFLUENCE THAT HAPPENS OVER THE BREADTH OF A LIFE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WISDOM ON SO MANY LEVELS IS, AGAIN,
LEARNED OVER A LIFETIME. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD
HAVE HAD THE WISDOM AT 25 YEARS OF AGE TO BE AS CONFIDENT
AS I AM IN SOME AREAS OF LIFE AND MINISTRY.
DO YOU KNOW I THINK LEARNING BALANCE IS LEARNED IN
THE EBB AND FLOW OF LIFE AND SEASONS.
BECAUSE, LET'S FACE IT, WE ALL KNOW IT,
LIFE IS FULL OF SEASONS. IT'S FULL OF EBB AND FLOW AND
THERE ARE SEASONS IN OUR LIVES THAT DEMAND MORE OF US
THAN OTHER SEASONS THAT PUT A GREATER DEMAND,
A GREATER REQUIREMENT ON US. AND WE'VE GOTTA ACTUALLY BE WISE
AND SAVVY AND SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE SEASONS WITHIN OUR LIVES
REQUIRE OF US, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE ALERT AND WE HAVE
TO BE IN-TUNE WITH LIFE AND WITH OUR FAMILY AND ACTUALLY WITH
THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHO IS ALONGSIDE OF US TO ACTUALLY
HELP US IN THESE THINGS. I THINK IT'S ALSO ENHANCED.
IT'S ACTUALLY ENHANCED AS WE DO LIFE WITH OTHERS.
AMEN? AND AS WE GLEAN FROM ONE
ANOTHER'S WINNING WISDOM. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF
THE MOST--THE GREAT STRENGTHS AND BEAUTY OF COMMUNITY
AND HEALTHY CHURCH LIFE. WE GET TO DO LIFE TOGETHER
AND WE GET TO LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER'S WISDOM, HALLELUJAH.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DERAIL. WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO DERAIL
IN LIFE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO OR HOW TO DO IT.
AND THE ENEMY WOULD LOVE TO DERAIL US, BUT I BELIEVE THAT
GOD WANTS TO DO EVERYTHING. HE WANTS TO SET US UP TO WIN
SO WE DON'T DERAIL IN LIFE AND THAT WE CAN FAST TRACK OURSELVES
THROUGH LIFE AND JUST WIN. WE'RE GONNA, IN A MOMENT, INVITE
A YOUNG--TWO YOUNG COUPLES, YOUNG COUPLES, UP TO JOIN US.
BUT IF I CAN JUST ADD ONE THOUGHT TO WHAT BRIAN'S BEEN
SAYING AND IT IS THIS THAT, I THINK A KEY TO BALANCING
LIFE--BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, THIS IS THE REAL WORLD.
A KEY TO BALANCING LIFE IS TO REALIZE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY
NOT A JUGGLING ACT. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OFTEN ASK US,
THEY LOOK AT US, THEY GO, "YOU GUYS LIVE BIG, BUSY LIVES.
HOW DO YOU JUGGLE IT ALL? HOW DO YOU BALANCE IT ALL?
HOW DO YOU JUGGLE IT ALL?" AND I DON'T THINK IT
AS A JUGGLING ACT. AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE US NOT
TO PERCEIVE IT AS THAT BECAUSE TO ME, JUGGLING SUGGESTS
A CIRCUS, DON'T YOU THINK? IT KIND OF IMPLIES THAT LIFE IS
A BIT OF A CIRCUS AND I DON'T THINK LIFE IS MEANT TO BE
A CIRCUS IN THE NEGATIVE SENSE, LIKE MANIC AND CRAZY, BUT
I LIKE THE IDEA OF LIFE BEING A CIRCUS WHEN IT COMES TO FUN.
AND I THINK ALSO JUGGLING KIND OF IMPLIES THAT THERE IS A RISK
THAT SOMETHING IS GONNA GET DROPPED AND BROKEN.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ABOUT GOD'S INTENT
TOWARDS US, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR LIFE, OUR CALLING, OUR MINISTRY,
THERE'S NOTHING IN HIM THAT WANTS US TO ACTUALLY DROP
ANYTHING AND FOR IT TO BREAK, ESPECIALLY THE THINGS
THAT ARE IMPORTANT IN LIFE. AND SO I THINK IT'S A QUESTION
OF FIGURING WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN LIFE BECAUSE
THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW WHEN IT COMES--
AND LEARNING HOW TO BALANCE AND BRING BALANCE
INTO ALL OF THOSE REALITIES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW,
HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND FITNESS AND ENOUGH SLEEP
ARE ACTUALLY CRITICAL. THEY ALL NEED TO BE BALANCED
IN THEMSELVES AND WHEN THEY GET OUT OF BALANCE,
THEN WE GET IN TROUBLE. WE ALL KNOW THAT IF WE DON'T
HAVE ENOUGH SLEEP, WE GET IRRITABLE AROUND
THE EDGES AND THEN THAT'S A DOMINO EFFECT IN OUR FAMILIES.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO PRIORITIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES,
LEARNING HOW TO BRING BALANCE INTO THOSE THINGS.
IF IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY, YOU CAN'T JUST DUMP IT
WHEN YOU'RE NOT FEELING, YOU KNOW, BRILLIANT.
YOU CANNOT JUST DUMP IT BECAUSE, "OH, I CAN'T BE BOTHERED NOW.
I'M UNDER THE WEATHER. I'M STRESSED."
IF IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY, WE'VE GOTTA LEARN HOW TO BRING BALANCE
INTO ALL OF THESE THINGS, THINGS LIKE KIDS AND FAMILY
AND ALL THE EVERYDAY STUFF AND RUNNING A HOME.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW SPIRITUAL YOU ARE, WE'VE ALL GOT
LIVES AND WE'VE GOT HOMES AND HOUSES AND GARDENS AND KIDS AND
SPORT AND EVERYTHING TO MANAGE SO WE GOTTA LEARN HOW TO BALANCE
ALL OF THESE THINGS AND RECOGNIZE IT.
COMMITMENT, DEVOTION, DO YOU KNOW WHAT?
IN MY MIND, THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT.
IT'S NOT A JUGGLING ACT OR "OKAY, WHAT ARE WE
JUGGLING RIGHT NOW?" NO, THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT SO
IT'S A CASE OF BRINGING WISDOM INTO ALL OF THOSE THINGS
WHEN THEY REQUIRE IT. IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN?
AMEN? AMEN.
AND I REALLY BELIEVE-- I KNOW IT'S THE SHORT ANSWER
AND THE EASY ANSWER PERHAPS, YOU KNOW,
IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE THAT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
THERE IS WISDOM IN THE WORD OF GOD FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND
I REALLY BELIEVE GOD WANTS US TO LIVE STRONG, BIG, EXPENSIVE,
I'VE BEEN SAYING IT EVERY WEEK, LIVES THAT ARE MAGNIFICENT
AND ARE A MAGNIFICENT TESTIMONY TO THE GOODNESS
AND THE GRACE OF GOD. AMEN?
THE GRACE OF GOD. AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
IF YOU'VE HAD A SEASON OR YOU'VE HAD SOMETHING GO WRONG OR YOU'VE
DROPPED A PLATE AND THERE'S BEEN A BREAKAGE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT?
IT'S NOT OVER YET. THERE IS ALWAYS GRACE TO FIX
A BREAKAGE AND THERE'S ALWAYS GRACE TO FIX A SEASON
THAT PERHAPS WASN'T NAVIGATED SO PERFECTLY.
SO BE ENCOURAGED IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN?
AMEN. HALLELUJAH.
>> RICHARD AND CASS, THEY'RE JUST A GREAT COUPLE, BEEN PART
OF HILLSONG CHURCH FOR 16 YEARS. AND YOU'VE GOT TWO CHILDREN
WHO ARE? >> YEAH, LILY IS 9
AND THOMAS IS 7. NEARLY FORGET.
>> AND CASS OVERSEES ALL OF HILLSONG CREATIVE, ANYTHING
THAT'S CREATIVE, PRODUCTION, ALL OF THE PRAISE AND WORSHIP,
EVERYTHING THAT-- >> WE LOVE THIS GIRL.
>> SHE LOOKS AFTER IT ALL. AND TALK ABOUT JUGGLING,
YOU KNOW, WITH THE LIVES OF JUGGLING ACT, HOW YOU JUGGLE ALL
OF THOSE CREATIVE AND ARTISTIC PERSONALITIES AND GET THEM
ALL TOGETHER ON THE SAME ROW. >> I LOVE THOSE PEOPLE.
>> THAT'S A GIFT IN ITSELF. >> AND RICHARD, HE'S A PASTOR
AND JUST DOES SO MUCH WORK HERE AND IN LOVING PEOPLE.
BEN AND LUCILLE, BEN IS-- HE'S NOT ONLY OUR SON,
HE'S A MAN OF GOD AND TO KNOW BEN IS TO LOVE HIM.
YOU GOT A GREAT HEART FOR GOD AND A GREAT HEART FOR PEOPLE
AND I WOULD SAY EXACTLY THE SAME FOR LUCILLE.
NOW, THEY HAVE THREE LITTLE DAUGHTERS.
HOW OLD ARE THEY AGAIN, LUCILLE? >> FOUR, TWO, AND TWELVE WEEKS.
>> FOUR, TWO, AND TWELVE WEEKS. AND DO THEY LOVE THEIR POPS?
>> THEY LOVE THEIR POPS. >> ALL RIGHT, SO, YOU KNOW,
IF WE TALKED ABOUT A BROAD-BRUSH VISION STATEMENT OR MISSION
STATEMENT ACROSS YOUR FAMILY, I'LL START WITH YOU, BEN,
WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? >> I MEAN, IT'S NOT AS IF
WE HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR HOUSE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THAT LATER TODAY, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY
THINGS IN OUR FAMILY THAT HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO US RIGHT FROM
THE GET-GO THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST GOT TOGETHER.
I ALWAYS WANTED IT TO BE OBVIOUS THAT WE LOVED EACH OTHER
AND I WANT TO BE AFFECTIONATE NO MATTER WHERE I AM, SO
I'M ALWAYS KIND OF HOLDING HANDS AND CUDDLING AND--I ALWAYS
DO THAT WITH MY MOM TOO. IT'S COOL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I WANT IT TO BE OBVIOUS THAT WE LOVE EACH OTHER
AND THAT WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. I WANT OUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, IN
A WORLD THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE NOT LIKE THIS, TO GROW UP
IN AN ENVIRONMENT IN OUR HOUSE WHERE THEY FEEL LOVED
AND BELIEVED IN AND ENCOURAGED AND SUPPORTED.
AND I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR THAT AS A FAMILY, THAT WE ARE ALL
ABOUT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, REACHING PEOPLE WITH THE GOOD NEWS OF
JESUS CHRIST AND HELPING PEOPLE WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND I THINK IT WOULD BE
OBVIOUS TO OUR KIDS AND WITHIN OUR HOUSE.
>> WHAT ABOUT YOU GUYS? >> WELL, FOR US, THE ONE THING
THAT WE FOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE WE GOT MARRIED WAS
THAT I WAS GONNA BE A PASTOR AND CASS WAS IN BUSINESS.
AND IT WAS THAT WHOLE THING OF-- LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
CALLING. AND I HAD MIXED UP CALLING,
I GUESS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THAT MEANT WE HAD TO BE PASTOR
AND PASTOR'S WIFE DOING MINISTRY TOGETHER RATHER THAN
FOLLOWING THE GOSPEL, FOLLOWING CHRIST JESUS
THROUGH ALL THE SEASONS, ALL THE DIFFERENT AVENUES
AND VOCATIONS OF LIFE. AND SO I GUESS SOMEWHERE ALONG
THE ROAD LEARNED THAT I GUESS OUR MISSION IS BIGGER THAN
WHAT WE DO, EVEN THOUGH IT ENCOMPASSES WHAT WE DO.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A MISSION-- WELL, WE SORT OF HAVE
A MISSION STATEMENT. >> I RECOMMENDED WHEN WE GOT
MARRIED THAT VERSE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT BEFORE,
"AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD,"
THAT WAS OUR VERSE AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN OUR RESOLUTION AS
A FAMILY THAT WE WILL SERVE GOD. AND SO TO KNOW GOD AND TO MAKE
HIM KNOWN IS PROBABLY PART OF THE MANDATE THAT I THINK IS ON
OUR LIFE AND OUR KIDS, WHETHER THAT'S IN CREATIVE OR WHETHER
IT'S AT THE SCHOOL GATE OR WHETHER IT'S AT THE TABLE
WITH OUR KIDS. WE WANT THEM TO KNOW GOD AND
WE WANT THEM TO MAKE HIM KNOWN. >> THAT'S GREAT.
LUCILLE, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS THOUGHT OF PRIORITY, OBVIOUSLY
YOU AND BEN ARE AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SEASON IN LIFE.
YOU GOT LITTLE KIDS. HOW HAVE YOU SORT OF RESOLVED
OR HOW ARE YOU RESOLVING IN YOUR OWN HEART YOUR LIFE BEING ABOUT
SOMETHING BIGGER? >> WELL, I DEFINITELY
AM STILL RESOLVING. I HAVEN'T ARRIVED AT ALL.
I'M DEFINITELY IN BABY SEASON AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GOT
MARRIED, WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE A FAMILY
AND WE WANTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN JUST ONE OR TWO KIDS
AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD COME WITH DEMAND.
BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PURPOSE
AND CALLING, WE NEEDED TO REALIZE THAT OUR PURPOSE
AND CALLING COULDN'T CHANGE EVEN THOUGH MAYBE, YOU KNOW,
OUR CIRCUMSTANCES RIGHT NOW ARE BABY SEASON
AND I'M A STAY-AT-HOME MOM, WHICH I LOVE.
BUT FOR ME, PERSONALLY, IT HAS TO BE A PERSPECTIVE THING.
YOU KNOW, I SOMETIMES THINK I SHOULD DESERVE A MEDAL FOR
GETTING THE KIDS TO CHURCH AND HAVING THEM ALIVE AND HAPPY.
AND 'CAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE REALITIES ARE IT'S TOUGH TO
EVEN GET TO CHURCH OR TO LIVE THIS BIG LIFE, BUT AT THE SAME
TIME, I CAN THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS AND WHY THEY'RE
TIRED AND HOW HARD IT IS, OR I CAN HAVE THE PERSPECTIVE OF, YOU
KNOW, HOW AMAZING THAT THEY GET TO COME TO A PLACE LIKE THIS
AND GET SPOKEN INTO IT AND GET VALUE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO FOR ME, IT'S JUST BEEN A COMPLETE
LIKE PERSPECTIVE THING, AND I'M OBVIOUSLY STILL
LEARNING EVERY DAY BUT, YEAH, PERSPECTIVE IS HUGE.
>> I WANT TO ASK THESE GUYS A QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT?
WE CAN BE VERY PHILOSOPHICAL AND IT'S ROMANTIC AND WE'RE GONNA
SERVE GOD ME AND MY HOUSE AND ALL THAT, BUT,
YOU KNOW, THE REALITY, YOU'VE GOT CHILDREN.
AND WE'RE ALL FROM THE REAL WORLD, RIGHT?
SO YOU KNOW WHAT? DO YOUR CHILDREN EVER HAVE
MELTDOWNS AND WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THEY DO?
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU GUYS KEEP BIG HOURS
AND YOU'RE DEVOTED AND COMMITTED AND YOU'RE AMAZING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR KIDS GET A LITTLE ROWDY
AROUND THE EDGES? HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT?
>> I WANT TO TELL YOU WE HAVE PERFECT CHILDREN
BUT WE JUST DON'T. THEY'RE REALLY LOVELY, GOOD KIDS
AND THEY'RE EXCITED TO BE ON THE JOURNEY
AND THEY ARE EXCITED TO FIND THEIR PLACE IN GOD'S STORY,
BUT YET WE WAKE UP MONDAY MORNINGS LIKE YOU DO AFTER
BEING AT SUNDAY NIGHT CHURCH-- AND WE'VE RESOLVED IN OUR FAMILY
WE WILL BE HERE. SO MONDAY MORNINGS ARE HARD
AND THEY'RE HARD TO GET UP 'CAUSE IT WAS A LATE NIGHT.
AND WE'VE BEEN BY MCDONALD'S AND WE'VE PROBABLY HAD LUNCH ORDER
AGAIN ON MONDAY MORNING, AND THE KIDS DO HAVE MELTDOWNS
BUT WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO AS A FAMILY.
WE'RE BIG BELIEVERS IN CONVERSATION
AND SO AROUND THE DINNER TABLE AND AT BEDTIME AND
AT ALL SORTS OF PLACES, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT
AND WHY WE'RE ABOUT IT AND HOW THEY CAN BE INVOLVED.
AND LIKE GOD BLESSED OUR CREATIVE TEAM 'CAUSE THEY'VE
MADE OUR KIDS LIKE MASCOTS, AND SO THE KIDS COME HERE
AND THEY THINK THIS IS HOME FOR THEM AND THEY'RE INVOLVED
AND LOVED AND IT'S COOL. BUT I THINK OUTSIDE OF THAT,
WE ACTUALLY TAUGHT THEM THAT THE KINGDOM IS BIGGER THAN
JUST COMING TO CHURCH, THAT THEY ARE THE KINGDOM.
AND SO WHEN WE TALK TO THEM, WE DON'T STOP ON A SUNDAY.
WE ACTUALLY CARRY THIS ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY,
THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY. AND THIS IS REAL TO US.
WE LOVE JESUS AND WE WANT THEM TO LOVE HIM.
SO YEAH, MELTDOWNS AND PEOPLE WHO HELP US AND MOM AND DAD WHO
WILL TAKE KIDS HOME FROM CHURCH AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
>> TELL US ABOUT SWEET AND SOUR. I LIKE THAT.
>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DEVOTIONS, EVENING DEVOTIONS AND
HOW--I GUESS, NONE OF US DO THEM AROUND THE TABLE BUT WHAT WE DO
DO IS WE'LL ASK OUR KIDS WHAT THE SWEET THING OF THE DAY WAS
AND WHAT THE SOUR THING WAS, WHICH IS, I GUESS,
A WAY OF CREATING CONVERSATION AND A WAY TO HEAR THEM EXPRESS
HOW GOOD THE DAY'S BEEN OR HOW GOD'S BLESSED THEM
OR HOW THEY FELT CHALLENGED. AND THEN WE CAN PRAY WITH THEM
AND LEAD THEM INTO THE NEXT DAY. >> THAT'S COOL, VERY COOL.
BEN, BEN DOES RECALL ME GETTING OUR TABLE--OUR FAMILY AROUND
THE TABLE AND DOING DEVOTIONS, DON'T YOU?
>> THERE WAS ONE TIME, ONE. >> I WAS THE ONLY ONE IN
THE ENTIRE FAMILY, MAYBE BOBBIE WOULD HAVE BEEN AS WELL,
WHO WAS REALLY INTO THIS. >> PRAISE GOD FOR JUST LIVING
THE BIG LIFE 24/7 AND NOT REDUCING IT DOWN TO DEVOTIONS
AND MAKING IT TOO RELIGIOUS AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING LIFE FUN.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING YOUR KIDS TO CHURCH AND THEY'RE--YOU
KNOW, YOUR BELIEF SYSTEMS AND THE GOD FACTOR IS REINFORCED IN
THEM AND THEN IT'S REINFORCED IN YOU, THEN IT'S REINFORCED JUST
DURING NATURAL AND NORMAL LIFE. AND SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT
HAS WORKED FOR US. IS ANYONE DISAPPOINTED
ABOUT THAT? NO.
YOU ALL FEEL LIKE RELEASED, DON'T YOU?
YEAH. >> THANKS SO MUCH.
GIVE THEM A THANK YOU. >> WE LOVE THESE GUYS, AMEN.
>> YOU KNOW, JOSHUA CLEARLY HAD A SENSE OF MISSION AND CALLING
WHEN IT CAME TO HIS HOME. HE SAID, JOSHUA 24:15,
"AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD."
AND I SEE SOME POWERFUL THINGS IN THAT SMALL STATEMENT.
I SEE HIS COMMITMENT TO INVOLVEMENT.
IT WASN'T ME WITHOUT MY HOUSE. IT WAS,
"AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE." DO YOU KNOW IT IS SO EASY
AND I'VE SEEN, SADLY SO OFTEN, PEOPLE WHO ARE BELIEVERS
AND CHRISTIANS AND CHURCHGOERS, THEY'VE PUT THEMSELVES
INTO SERVING GOD AT THE COST OF THEIR FAMILY.
AND WISDOM LOOKS FOR WAYS TO INVOLVE.
AND IF YOUR PURPOSE OR YOUR CALLING IS INDEED IN BUSINESS OR
ANY OTHER AREA AND THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU CAN INVOLVE YOUR FAMILY
IN WHAT YOU DO, YOU'LL BE ALL THE RICHER FOR IT.
HE SAYS, NOT "ME WITHOUT MY HOUSE," BUT IT WAS ALSO
NOT "MY HOUSE WITHOUT ME." IN OTHER WORDS,
THERE HAS TO BE AN EXAMPLE. YEARS AGO, IN GENERATIONS
GONE BY, IT WAS FASHIONABLE FOR CHILDREN TO GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
IN A LOT OF ENGLISH-SPEAKING COUNTRIES AND PARENTS,
THEY WOULD SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO SUNDAY SCHOOL,
YET NOT GO TO CHURCH THEMSELVES. WELL, NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU
LOOK AT IT, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE EXAMPLE,"IT WASN'T "ME
WITHOUT MY HOUSE," AND IT WASN'T "MY HOUSE WITHOUT ME," AND THEN
IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF LEADERSHIP, IT WAS "ME" FIRST
AND THEN "MY HOUSE." THAT IS LEADERSHIP AND I FEEL
LIKE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR FAMILY SITUATION IS LIKE, THAT YOU CAN
BRING THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP WHERE YOU LEAD BY EXAMPLE, WHERE
YOU'RE COMMITTED TO INVOLVEMENT AND WHERE YOU DECIDE,
"I'LL SHOW YOU THE WAY, IT'S ME FIRST
AND THEN MY HOUSE." WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IT
IS TO BUILD HEALTHY HOMES ON A FOUNDATION OF SERVING GOD.
>> WE'VE BEEN MARRIED NOW FOR 29 YEARS THIS YEAR AND WE HAVE
5 CHILDREN AND 4 GRANDCHILDREN. I CAME FROM A FAMILY OF 14.
I'M NUMBER SEVEN. I WAS ADOPTED OUT
WHEN I WAS A BABY. IT WASN'T A NORMAL FAMILY.
IT WAS A VERY-- HIGHLY DYSFUNCTIONAL.
I JUST BEGAN TO, I GUESS, THINK--HAD MY OWN IDEAS OF WHAT
MY FAMILY WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT CAME TO MY TIME.
>> I GUESS WE HAVE FANTASIES, WHAT WE THINK MARRIAGE IS LIKE.
AND FOR ME GROWING UP IN NEW ZEALAND, ALL MY FRIENDS OR
OLDER BROTHERS OR THEIR FATHERS, THURSDAY NIGHT WAS CLUB NIGHT.
THE BOYS HANG OUT TOGETHER AND THEN THE WEEKENDS IT'S SPORT.
SO WHEN I WANTED TO GO OUT AND MARGE WAS NOT VERY HAPPY,
FOR ME IT WAS LIKE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
THIS IS NOT HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO NORMALLY BE, ACCORDING TO
THE EXAMPLES THAT I HAD. >> BECAUSE I HAD NO ROLE MODELS
IN MY LIFE, WELL, I THOUGHT I HAD IT ALL PLANNED BUT THEN I
FORGET, LEFT OUT THE DETAILS IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATION AND, YOU
KNOW, GETTING ON THE SAME PAGE. YOU DEFINITELY
CAN LIVE IN A HOUSE, BUT NOT BE A PART OF A HOME.
IN OUR EARLIER STAGES IN MARRIAGE,
WE ACTUALLY FOUND THAT OUT. WE WEREN'T IN UNITY AT ALL.
WE WERE ACTUALLY QUITE DIVIDED EVEN THOUGH WE WERE
UNDER THE SAME ROOF. WE HAD TO LEARN HOW TO COME
TOGETHER AND WORK OUT THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING AT THE TIME
AND THEN THE MORE WE DID THAT, THE MORE WE FELT THE NEED
AND THE COZINESS OF A HOME LIKE IN UNITY AND THE LOVE AND--
WHICH DEVELOPED AND GREW. >> I MEAN, IF WE LOOK AT OUR
MARRIAGE, WE COULD HAVE BEEN, EASILY BEEN A STATISTIC.
I REMEMBER HEARING SOMEONE SAY, "I USED TO FOCUS ON MY NEEDS
AND MY WIFE'S ISSUES." TODAY, I'M MORE FOCUSED ON
MY ISSUES AND MY WIFE'S NEEDS. AND THAT'S BEEN--I THINK THAT'S
BEEN A REAL POSITIVE STEP FORWARD FOR ME IN
DEVELOPING IN RELATIONSHIP.
[MUSIC] >>AND I WILL RUN
AND NOT GROW WEARY I WILL RISE IN GOD
MY STRENGTH MY HEART WILL TRUST
FOR ALL MY HOPE IS CHRIST ALONE
NOW MY SOUL SINGS YOUR LOVE IT KNOWS NO END
YOUR LOVE IT KNOWS NO END YOUR LOVE IT KNOWS NO END
I WILL LOVE FOR YOU HAVE LOVED
I WILL FORGIVE AS YOU FORGIVE
YOUR LOVE PREVAILS YOU FILL MY LIFE
WITH HOPE AGAIN NOW MY SOUL SINGS
YOUR LOVE IT KNOWS NO END YOUR LOVE IT KNOWS NO END
YOUR LOVE IT KNOWS NO END
>> WELL, BOBBIE, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO JOIN ME
SPEAKING ABOUT HEALTHY HOMES. WE'VE ENJOYED THIS SERIES.
I PRAY THAT IT'LL SPEAK LIFE INTO YOU.
AND, OF COURSE, THERE'S NO PERFECT LITTLE REMEDY
FOR HOMES AND FAMILIES, BUT WE CAN DO OUR BEST.
GOD BLESS YOU. THANKS FOR JOINING US AND--?
>> THE BEST IS YET TO COME. >> THE BEST IS YET TO COME.