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“A Disaster or a Solution to Come” (Resurrection Time)
Public Program Caxton Hall, London, UK
August 16, 1982
These days, when you read newspapers, you meet people, you get the feeling that everybody
is waiting for a disaster, or for some sort of a solution, that has to come. This feeling
that comes to us is also something very innate, something from our unconscious, because the
situation that we see around seems to be quite dangerous. Not that we get upset with the
financial problems or with other mundane type of problems that we have had, but what upsets
people is – that human beings have become just like machines. They’re running mad.
They’re running morning till evening. They have no time for each other. There is no feeling
sometimes to understand each other, and, as if we are all becoming insensitive to each
other’s problem.
Apart from that, those people who are intelligent and loving people, feel that people at the
helm of affairs do not feel responsible for the humanity at large. Then the poverty and
then other problems, which are gross, still they bother us too much – one side, the
affluence, another side the poverty; one side the scientific approach to life, the other
side what science has created, things like atomic bombs. All these create a kind of a
confusion in our mind. Everybody seems to be confused. They don’t know whether whatever
they are doing is right or wrong, whether they are going to the right path or to the
wrong path. Very frustrated, disgusted, one feels sometimes, and does not know why are
we on this Earth. Confusion is the first impression one gets when one visits our world from outside.
People are absolutely confused, and also very insecured, extremely insecure. If you see
the rich, they are insecured because they have too much money. The poor are insecure
because they have no money. All kinds of insecurities work out a tremendous world of confusion.
Now, let us see how we are created from amoeba to this stage. We have become human beings
without understanding anything about it, and are we to evolve more, to achieve something
higher, to \get out of this confusion, or are we to be dissolved with this confusion
in our mind? This confusion is important in a way. If there is no confusion, we are not
going to seek any solution out of it, and that is why people feel that some solution
has to come out. We are confused because we have no absolute values. We have not felt
the absolute values. Somebody says, “To be honest is a very good idea,” but we find
that, “No, if we are very honest it doesn’t pay.” Some say to be devoted and dedicated
and loyal is the best policy, but no, it does not work out that way.
But there must be something that decides whether we are right or wrong. That’s what we think;
it has to be like that. After all, this whole creation was created with such love and care,
with such delicacy. If you are a doctor you will see how beautifully you are created inside,
every nerve, how beautifully it grew into a sensitive cell; how the whole body was created,
how these eyes were created with such accuracy. We see cameras and cameras in this world created
by us; no camera can be compared with our eyes. Such a tremendous machinery has been
created within us with such care, discarding many others. Many have gone out of the circulation
of evolution, and then, this man, the great personality of a human being, came out of
it. For what? To be confused? To be upset? To be insecured? How can that be? It’s not
true. It cannot be. After all, why are we human beings? God has made us with a purpose,
no doubt about it. There is a purpose in giving us this kind of a body, this erect body. There
is a purpose in everything that we have today as human beings. Even the confusion, as I
said.
Today is the day for people to seek. Thousands of people are seeking. They are fed up with
whatever they have been doing – they are fed up with it. They are not seeking out of
fashion. Many people think that it’s a fashion, they’re a lost race and they are this and
they are that. It’s not true. There were never so many seekers as there are today,
and they are seeking. Maybe they do not know what they are seeking, but they are not satisfied
with their state of affairs, and they are seeking something higher. And that “higher”
is the Absolute, is the Absolute. Now, this “higher,” if it is the Absolute, everything
must relate to it. Absolute point means everything is related. For example, if you have a one
meter here, if you say it is five meters, that means this is five times than the gold
rod you have got in Paris which is called as “one meter.” Everything has to be related
to that absolute, and that relationship then establishes the relationship with each other.
For example, on the religious side if you see, there have been so many religions, one
after another. We had Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, Islam
– so many religions. They all must relate to Absolute. We must find out how many “meters”
each one of them are; where do they stand in relation to this Absolute – has to be.
It cannot be just something, like people said “Oh, we’ve got the Absolute, Mother, we
are realized souls, we are twice born.”
“Then how do you say?”
“Because I see a light in my head.” What does that mean? It is not absolute when you
can see the light as it is there. If you faint also you might see a little light short-circuiting
there. There could be some others who say “Yes, I’ve got the Knowledge.”
“How? What is it?”
“Because, Mother, I don’t think anymore.”
So I said, “You must be drunk.”
Everything that we seek has to be related to everything else. Otherwise solution won’t
be there. To find the absolute value of anything we must know that there’s nothing else but
that. That’s the only thing, that’s one, that’s a unity; it cannot have a parallel.
Some people jump in the street and say that “We’ve found the Last.” Then why are
you jumping? Now, that absolute thing has to be something that should come in your awareness
if it is a evolutionary process. In our evolution, whatever we have achieved has come in our
awareness. That means it should become a part and parcel of our awareness, part and parcel
of our awareness. Like as I can see you, I can feel you, in the same way you should be
able to see, and through that light we should be able to explain each and every thing.
For example, in this room, if there is darkness and I can’t see you, I don’t know who
is sitting where, what is the relationship of everyone? But when the light comes in,
you immediately know, that this gentleman is third on the row, or that gentleman is
fifth on the row. Apart from that, you know what sort of a shape
and a color the person has. Whatever could be seen through these eyes, one can see if
there is light.
But this light is not sufficient because this we have already got it, there’s nothing
more in our awareness with that. We have to think of a light, which gives us a complete
idea as to what is the relationship between us and our Creator. What is the relationship
between all those who came on this earth to tell us about that relationship? What is the
relationship of human beings with each other, with different countries, with different people,
with different faces, races and creed? What is the relationship between man and the nature?
What is the relationship between man and all the elements around? Here we just hang in
the air, we don’t know if we have any relationship whatsoever with the Sun. He gives us light,
but what about us? Have we any control over the Sun, or not? Is there any subtle connection
between us and Him, or not? All these connections have to be established in these absolute findings,
otherwise that’s not absolute.
We should not be satisfied with something extremely cheap, which you can buy with money,
that’s the cheap thing – I think that’s the cheapest thing – very easy to buy something
with money. People may say “We have no money.” It’s not the point, because those who have
money can buy. But this must be something that cannot be bought by money. People don’t
understand.
When I went to America first, they said “Mother how are you saying that you can’t take money
for this?” I mean, imagine, the absurdity. Such an absurd thing they could not understand.
You cannot pay for it.
Now you cannot manage it also and maneuver it. If you could then it’s man-made. It
has to be something natural, spontaneous, living, because man can’t do living work.
Otherwise you should not bother. You should say “I am not bothered, I don’t care for
it.” That’s how it should be, but we get very much satisfied with something that’s
absolutely easily available to us, that is what we can really pay for, or if we stand
on our heads we think we should get that.
I asked one gentleman, who used to stand on his head every day, I said “Why are you
doing it?.”
He said “I’m seeking God.”
I said “What makes you think that by standing on your head you’ll get to God?”
He says “Because none of the animals do that, so to be a higher animal, I was thinking
if I would stand on my head, it would be a better idea.”
But it can’t be, just think of it – some sort of physical acrobat, I mean so many can
do it. In the circus people do all kinds of things, if you see them the way they jump
onto a horses, it’s surprising. It’s not easy to do. They acquire all kinds of techniques
by which they can jump onto a horse, walk on a little string of wire, all kinds of things
they can do, but do you think that is something divine?
So, this absolute point has to be something spontaneous, something living should come
in our awareness; must express in our awareness. And when we talk that word “awareness,”
we must understand that human awareness itself we have not understood. The difference between
us and animals is tremendous. It’s tremendous. They don’t understand so many things. They
don’t understand beauty, they don’t understand insurance, they do not understand many of
these hangs-up that we have gathered. So many odd things we have done, they don’t understand.
Human beings have a capacity to harness the nature for their own purpose, to use the nature
for their own purpose, which animals can’t do. Despite all that, we feel so powerless,
so helpless, and singled out. But if this creation has any meaning, that light has to
come, that light has to work out. It must work. But, now, as you have been already told
about the Kundalini, this instrument’s within you, is there already waiting. The time has
come, the maturity it has reached, that you have to have your realization – because
of that maturity in a human mind that you are seeking, because you are so matured now,
that you can’t do without it. Say, when you are a child, you don’t understand many
things, and then you grow up. You grow up, reach a point, say at a point where you understand
the marriage, then you want to marry. Then you reach a point where you want to have a
house, you try to have a house. But this maturity that is coming to us is extremely subtle,
many-sided, encompassing many aspects of life, I should say all of them. It’s not only
one side that is going to mature. It’s not that just few leaves are going to show out
from a growing tree. It’s not only that some new branches are going to shoot out.
It’s not that many flowers are going to show. It’s that the flowers have so matured
now that they have to become the fruit.
That maturity has come to us through our trial-error method, our own. This is done by human beings.
Animals did the same for their evolution, and human beings also have done this, their
trial and error – again they make mistakes, they try to correct it, again they try, and
again make mistakes. That’s how we have matured now. We have reached a stage of understanding
the beauty of balance in life. We are trying to stabilize ourselves, and the insecurity
is working out – a negative method of course, but a challenge, challenge to your maturity,
whether you are matured or not, whether your seeking is true or not. The maturity can be
judged only when you are there to become the fruit. You have to become the fruit. You have
to become the Spirit. You have to be the Spirit. You have to be born again.
But many have said that, many are saying that. They say that they are already reborn. But
what is the difference? The difference is, one has an awareness, which is collectively
conscious, which is – he has become – is the becoming, he’s not just talking about
it, telling about it; is the becoming. And the other is the one who just believes into
it. “I believe….” Which is this “I” that believes into something? [I’m just
asking you to sit down.] Who believes, is the “I” which does not know itself.
So just a faith of any kind, is not the real faith unless and until it is a part of your
awareness. “I believe in God,” – many people talk as if they are obliging God by
believing in Him. What does that mean? “I believe in God,” so all right, you must
be having a balanced life, all right. But just to believe, but one may ask, “Why?”
why to believe in God? Why to have the balance, what is the need to lead a life which is called
so-called, “righteous life”? Enslaving yourself to these ideas – why? One can ask
a question of that kind, and many are asking that question.
You have to balance if you have to ascend. But, because of this confusion, one cannot
expect a very balanced life, because everybody seems to be groping in the dark. Then you
can’t believe that the people are absolutely balanced. You can’t just think that way
– that would be wrong. So they have to have a balance, and they have to have an ascent.
To have the balance, people have tried lots of things. Thousands of years they talked
of religion, they talked of, sustenance, of Ten Commandments, this thing, that thing;
nothing worked out with human beings. Everybody jumped out of their balance.
So now there has to be a method that automatically gives you a balance as well as a good ascent
and a happy landings into the Kingdom of God. That has to happen. Now, you are all built-in
that way, this is what it is, but again you don’t have that faith in Me, neither in
what we are saying. Because again: “I believe in Mataji,” there are many who finish with
that. You have to have faith in your Self, in your Spirit, by experiencing it. It’s
a something, a dynamic thing that has to happen within you – a tremendous thing.
It’s nothing something, just your mental belief that, “Today we are communist, tomorrow
we are capitalist,” and third day something else. It’s something that has to become,
again I say “become,” and again become. And that becoming is now. The time has come.
This is the resurrection time; this is the Last Judgment, believe it or not. There is
not going to be another time for that. This is the way we are going to be judged: our
maturity, our balance, our capacity.
Many people come to our meetings, few get their realization, or many get their realization
– makes no difference to Me, to anyone or to Sahaja Yog or to you. Because if there
are seeds which are just sprouted and are wasted; they are wasted as if they are not
sprouted. They do not grow. They are just like any other seeds which have not been touched
by the Divine. Even if you get realization, which is now quite easy for people to get
to, they are for it, because the Divine is anxious, because your Creator is anxious,
to manifest itself, but to settle down as a realized soul is difficult. I have to tell
you at the very outset that if you have to mature into it you have to understand yourself.
You must have your self-esteem. If you just are here for a shopping, “Oh, all right,
let’s hear Mother also,” that’s not the way it is going to work out.
If you are people of that caliber, then only you can ascend. There’s nothing else needed
of you. You may be a prime minister or you may be a queen or you may be just a parlor
maid, makes no difference to the Divine. You may be a socialist, communist or a capitalist,
makes no difference. You may be this color, that color, makes no difference. But you have
to have the caliber of a true seeker, who is intelligent enough to see that he has not
come on this earth just to be wasted. If you make many instruments and if they are just
wasted, they are not put to the mains, they are good for nothing, they have very loose
connections – He’ll just say, “Cancel all these. Stop this factory. There’s no
use having any more creations.”
Only those who are matured enough, who have self-esteem – even age, you’ll be surprised,
does not matter – I have seen people who are eighty years of age could be very stupid,
and people who are very young, very small children also, could be great. So it is the
inner quality of a person, his maturity, that matters in Sahaj Yoga. I know it is rather
difficult to understand that why, if it is Sahaja, if the Kundalini rises so easily in
us, why is it we take time to establish ourselves? The reason is very simple. We are not simple
people, we are not, we are very complicated, we have complicated our lives with so many
problems.
Now, cancer is a disease which cannot be explained by doctors. We can explain it in Sahaj Yoga;
is caused by over-activity of the sympathetic nervous system. If you could soothe the over-activity
of the sympathetic nervous system you can cure cancer, but say, those people who go
to spiritualists, those people who go to false gurus, those people who indulge into black
magic and other activities of a negative nature, getting spirits and things like that, are
more susceptible, are really the susceptibles.
If a person who is mad and lunatic, and the husband or wife of such a person has relationship
with him, he can develop multiple sclerosis. Sahaj Yoga can cure multiple sclerosis. What
we call the Mooladhara Chakra – if that centre is caught up with other chakras, one
can develop multiple sclerosis. The way we have been banging ourselves into the unknown
areas, we have really made ourselves very complicated. In the scientific field also
we have gone to the other extreme, believing that science is our own creation, and have
created problems like atomic bomb, that we can see so clearly, but what we have done
to ourselves we cannot see. We are not simple people.
Christ has said you have to be like a child when you want to enter into the Kingdom of
God. Now some people I’ve found, they thought by wearing dresses like primitive people they’ll
become simple like primitive – they will not. Their brains are modern, how can they
become primitive? The brain’s all the time thinking, thinking, thinking, there’s the
thought-combustion going on every minute, every second, every split of a second.
But even primitive people are not very good for their ascent. That’s also a wrong idea.
You have to come to a point of balance where you have crossed your conditionings and you
have not entered into the ego, which is just a wee bit of a space. If you are not too far
away it’s all right, this way or that way. But if you are too far away from the center
then you are to be brought in. But what goes in favor of modern times is that great seekers
have taken their birth on this Earth.
Of course, with other people they have complicated themselves. They didn’t keep to their own
personality, to their own understanding. They got complicated with other people. Whatever
trends came in, whatever things happened, they did, they are politicians, this that,
or they are, this side, they are belonging to this cult or that cult and others have
become “club members” – all sorts of things. They have not kept their personality,
as they were. Like Kabir Das has said, “Jaisi kee taisi rak deeni chadariya,” “As I
had this chadar on my body, I kept it as it was.” We have spoilt it, complicated it, it is hooked to many things.
We have one great advantage that you are great seekers, very great seekers of ages born.
This is a very big advantage, and is your seeking only has brought Sahaj Yoga to this
Earth. But one disadvantage is there, that in these modern times we have complicated
ourselves too much, because of confusion maybe, or maybe because of our ego, that we wanted
to try everything and would not listen to anybody else– “What’s wrong?.” Whatever
it is, we have complicated. Also, we do not know what diseases are breeding within us,
what is our mental condition. We do not know how we are placed with ourselves. That’s
how we are complicated.
When Kundalini rises and you get your connection with the Divine, it does, sorts out things,
it does, no doubt, it will, but you have to be growing with it. If you do not grow with
that ascent, then again that small connection that you have established will break. Like
the roots have reached the source, but the tree has to grow according to the supply,
understanding: the root has to grow further too. That’s how you really establish yourself.
And I really beg of you and ask very humbly, with great concern, that please don’t have
diffidence about yourself.
You have already created a problem by feeling guilty thanks to these horrible psychologists
who have given us these ideas. Don’t have diffidence. You are seekers of very great
quality, no doubt, but there are complications which can be sorted out. You placed yourself
away from your being, and see for yourself that this Spirit is your being, not that what
is complicated, that’s just the outside, which can be corrected by Kundalini, by your
spiritual power. You can now correct, you’ll be empowered with that.
Sahaj Yoga is tremendous. Those who have established themselves are tremendous people today in
life. They are enjoying themselves, they are very happy people, such nice relationships
exist – they are beautiful. Even whatever I have in England I am very happy and surprised,
I didn’t expect so much. They have compassion, they cannot enjoy this nectar of life alone,
and they want you all to join in with them. They are here to help you in a very humble
way, as they have been helped. Gradually it has been built up now, and it is for you people
to understand that so many human beings that are created will be lost if they do not enter
into the Kingdom of God. That’s the only purpose of Sahaj Yoga.
As you know, the subject is so vast, knowledge so great, there’s no end to it. Whenever
you get your realization – I hope you get it now, today – and when you establish yourself,
you’ll be amazed, you yourself will become the library of all the knowledges, because
you become that subtle thing which gives knowledge. You reach to that absolute point which gives
all the knowledge. You’ll be able to see which is knowledge, which is not knowledge.
Your priorities will immediately change because you will have that light within yourself.
But, as I say, it is a becoming. I cannot just say that, “All right, you are realized
soul, all right, give five pounds and you are out.” It’s not that way, I must tell
you. This is My helplessness to make people understand that you cannot just become realized
souls, you cannot be certified, it has – it is a thing that should happen to you, it should
be your own. That you should be able to maneuver yourself, you should be able to handle it
yourself, it should be your own power which should express it. I just cannot say, “All
right, done! Now you are a member of Sahaj Yoga.” You cannot. I must tell you this
is the thing which you should understand; after all you are sensible people. You cannot
demand it. Even if you read – but I cannot do it, it has to happen. And after it has
happened do not take it for granted. Be careful about it, I must tell you I have seen people
who just come, get realization and get lost. And after five years they appear again, all
tattered and torn, finished.
This is what you have been seeking all your lives. And that’s to be achieved. I’m
just here to give you what belongs to you. That also I don’t have, I should say, to
give you, it’s within you. Maybe one candle can enlighten another candle, that’s all,
like a catalyst. So don’t make your ego stand up, that “Why You, Mother?” Of all
the things, it’s a thankless job I must tell you. It’s a job I have to do. I do
not do it for any thanks. I just do it because I have to do it, that’s My nature. I cannot
get over My nature. There’s no quarrel between you and Me at all, in no way. I am here just
to give you what you have. You can’t pay Me, you should not feel bad about it. You
cannot overpower Me nor will I overpower you. It’s a relationship, as a candle or a light
has to the hand. It’s just to help you to find your way.
I hope in these modern ideas I will be able to give you this *** thing, because people
can’t understand. I was amazed; I didn’t know this was so. They can’t understand
that anything can work out without money, that there can be something like love for
love’s sake. Everybody loves for something. They can’t understand a madwoman like Me
who just loves because She loves, She can’t help it otherwise. People don’t believe
in such people. They just can’t imagine such a thing. But we have so many people who
have gone, who did this for you. Though they are in the history, but they are not lost.
There could be someone like that, and maybe that all of you are going to be that very
soon! That must happen to all of you.
Thank you very much.
Now I would like to spend some time with questioning, but not too much, and there was a suggestion
that if realization is given like that, which is a easy thing for Me, somehow, then people
don’t value the realization. So it should be given after two -three meetings. Then they
will value it better, because according to people who give Me suggestions, they understand
human beings better than I do. If you give them realization then just they start living
in the air, and then they don’t want to do anything about it till they really touch
the grounds. I still believe in your sanity, in your wisdom, in your fairness to yourself,
and to your Creator. So I still feel that you should get your realization today. But
that doesn’t mean that you are going to leave it. You have to follow it up, work it
out. That doesn’t mean you have to give any more money or anything, it doesn’t mean
at all. It doesn’t mean anything more than establishing it, understanding it, “What
is this that we have got? What is this power?”
Now, can we have some questions? Yes, please?
Man (not very clear): And when did You know that it’s hard getting people.
Shri Mataji: Me?
Man: Yes, You.
Shri Mataji: I knew from – since long. I’m quite old, you know, ancient. But, about Me
I don’t want to say much, as a matter of policy, you better find out gradually. Because
if I say anything people don’t like it. That’s a fact, whatever I am I am, but I
dare not say, people don’t like it. You see it’s a funny world. Is better that you
see for yourself and know Me.
What did Christ say? What He said is absolute truth. He said that He was the Son of God.
We can establish it through Sahaj Yoga you will know that He was the Son of God. It was
a fact and it was the truth; what He said was true. If He had not said that, it was
not true. So they crucified Him, tortured Him. What did Mohammed say? What did Nanaka
say? Nothing to harm you, just to help you, because they could see much more than you
can see. But nobody liked it. If you tell a hot-tempered, blind man that, “I can see
the red color and yellow color and blue color,” he’ll *** you, he just can’t bear it.
But that’s no point of superiority or anything, is kind, is that, that you have it within
you. It’s your own; I’m again saying it’s your own. So, about Me, less said the better.
Because supposing I say something about Myself, why should you accept also? If I say, “I
am the Governor,” will you accept Me? You will not. I know you will not. All right.
You may, but even if you accept, what happens? You don’t get your realization by accepting
that position. Whatever I say you need not accept as I said, but you should not close
your mind. Get your realization first. Your hands must speak, and then you will know what
I am, Who am I, how do I know? All about Me you will know yourself. All right? That’s
a promise.
Woman [INDISTINCTLY]: …If we get realization… [UNCLEAR]…you have to establish it. How
do we have to establish it?
Shri Mataji: That we will tell you. First realization has to take place and then gradually
we will tell you because your hands will speak. You will know what’s happening to you; where
are the problems, on what centers – ss you can see clearly there – what are the problems.
You will know what chakras are caught up, what is the blockade [PREVIOUS WORD & ITS
REPEATS SOUND LIKE: “Blockit”], where is your blockade? Then also you will now how
to clear the blockade, then you will also know how to move your Kundalini yourself.
You will also know how to give realizations to others. Just after realization you can
even cure people, immediately you can start curing. But that’s not much. After establishment
you can give realization to people. And how to establish, everything is told, free again.
Because here only thing that is working out is the concern, nothing else. So how to establish,
everything will be told. Now for example, we have books, but we don’t give it to people
who are not yet realized properly.
You have to go from one stage to another a little bit. But it’s not even like a regular
course. So there is no course in the living things, but as you see, first the seed sprouts,
and then the seedlings are taken and established, and then they become into tree, and then grown
properly. First they are protected and then they are exposed to nature. In the same way,
you’ll be very carefully established, and you will yourself know that you are getting
established. You will certify yourself; I don’t have to say anything. All right?
Man [INDISTINCT]:I’ve been thinking now, after getting your realization, you have to
be in contact with people who can, who run a course formally…?
Shri Mataji: No, it’s not a training, but you have to contact, the contact with the
Divine has to be kept, and you will know the Divine. The establishment of the contact you
will feel through cool breeze blowing into your hands, through your fingers getting sensitive
and you can feel which chakras are catching. And to keep that contact you have to keep
contact with other people who know about it. And they will tell you how they have done
it. Then you yourself can go and do this work yourself on your own.
I went to Vancouver and people got realization, many people got it. There was nobody who would
tell them, and I was there only for a day. So we sent somebody from Australia, she went
there on her own. She has created a beautiful center in Vancouver and now we have one in
Toronto[Mother actually says “Toranto”] also. Only one person.
There’s one person who must have given realization to at least ten thousand people in India,
who got realization. First you have to get your realization, mature, establish, then
you yourself can do it. You become the master, a perfect master to do it. All capabilities
are within you. You do not know what you are, how God has made you so beautifully.
Lady: will it take a very long time?
Shri Mataji: Beg pardon?
Lady: Will is it take long?
Shri Mataji: I didn’t follow you.
Lady (louder): Will it take long?
Shri Mataji: It may take a split of a second.
Lady: To establish?
Shri Mataji: It doesn’t take too long, I don’t think – yester– today, they were
asking Me, “How much?”
I said “Three weeks is the maximum.” Should be, after realization three weeks should be
maximum to establish, according to My own judgment so far. But in the beginning, I shouldn’t
say – that might upset you. It took really four years to struggle with six of them. Now
it’s not so difficult. Now we can manage many permutations and combinations of problems,
quite easily. Don’t worry about time, just don’t worry. It’s beyond time. All right?
Man: What is the flower of India?
Shri Mataji: What is it?
Man: The flower of India?
Shri Mataji: I didn’t follow.
Various people: Flower…
Shri Mataji: Power?
People: No, flower.
Shri Mataji: What is the flower?
Shri Mataji: What is the flower of India?
Man: India, yes.
Shri Mataji: What do you mean?
Man: I, N, D, I, A, what is the flower of India?
Shri Mataji: What is this question?
Man: Well, that is the question.
Shri Mataji: Well, I’m not talking to you here, you here as an Indian, is a wrong idea.
Lotus is the flower…
Man: Thank you
Shri Mataji: …we accept as our national flower, but I’m not an Indian here, I am
a Britisher, all right? Out and out. [man makes indistinct quip]. What is the flower
of England?
Man and others: The rose…rose.
Shri Mataji: That’s wrong, it should be daisy
[Some laughter from the audience and then the man says indistinctly [SOUNDS LIKE: “there’s
a long, long take that back.”]
Shri Mataji: On a very subtle way it should be a daisy, because England is the heart of
the universe, and heart resides in the Sahasrara, and Sahasrara is not like a rose, it is like
a daisy. Have you had any experience of the daisies that are coming out these days in
England, they have tremendous fragrance. Rose may be, because you had Wars of Roses or something
like that, but rose is not your flower. They misunderstood, I think. Daisy everywhere – all
kinds, all types, all colors, beautiful! All right?
Man: – When achieving your realization, is it necessary to give up anything?
Shri Mataji: I think you better tell Me here, I just, you know I can’t understand at this
point.
Another man: He’s asking, is it necessary to give up anything in order to achieve realization?
Shri Mataji: No, nothing. You see, we give up something because we have an idea we’re
holding onto something, you see. But when you discover you are holding on to nothing,
is just given up as such.
Like some people came to Me, said “Mother You are living in a family life, and how do
You say that, You have something to do with Divine?”
I said “Why?.”
He said, “What have you given up?”
I said “What have you given up yourself?”
They said “We have given up our families, we have given up carpets and houses and this
and that.”
I said “Really? Now can you take away anything from this house which is equal to the dust
of the Lotus Feet of your Lord? Take away, anything.” He couldn’t find anything,
just looked around. I said “That should be at least equal to the dust.”
When you are not holding on to anything, what is there to give up? The whole attitude becomes
detached. You don’t “give up,” but you see, like the drama finishes off. In the drama
you are crying, weeping, with the hero you become Napoleon, sometimes killing people
and banging, then suddenly you discover the drama is over. “Now, oh God! I was just
playing this role of Napoleon, while I was just watching the drama.” Automatically
this myth of involvement dissolves, all right? So you don’t give up anything, you just
see it. What is there to give up?
[Indistinct question about giving up alcohol]
Shri Mataji: What is it?
Lady: He doesn’t want to give up alcohol, Mother.
Shri Mataji: Give up the?
Woman: Alcohol.
Shri Mataji: No, no, never! Did I say so? I’m sorry for that. (laughter) Did I say
in My lecture that you give up alcohol? I never said so, but it happens – they just give up (laughter).
I didn’t say so. All right? It just happens. I don’t say – never say that. You mean
to say I don’t want you to be realized? To say such a thing? I never said “don’t
do it.” I’ve finished with Ten Commandments now. Nothing, it just happens, you become
Ten Commandments yourself. You just become. Then, even if I ask you, you will say “Mother,
no, no, no.” Because when you will get the highest you don’t want anything else. Why
do we drink, you know? We are bored stiff with life. We don’t drink because we want
to run an industries of drinking, do we?
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