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knowing all is more telling all but revealing rapidly because just loves
the law or life as we know it
it was okay I'll space and time with Rupert and I really mean
from my point of view the only difference between the morphogenetic
field in he
his UCSD we proposed and
ideas have novelty theory is for real
its ash its pushed from the past for me it's polled
from the future world as well he said he was staying in this book
well getting and in the end to the day is the same
thing it's just a matter of preference and how much of orthodoxy you want to
grind against
the and Olbia
against T lo said are defective nineteenth century D is something
doesn't go very deep
the and a and you describe the complex
occasion of the universe s self-evident and I believe it is self-evident and the
failures
science to address this is what makes it
so frustrating and imprecise so late in the game
the trouble with the emergence you you've been putting forward and head
is is that it's still very last time you see there's obviously been a major
imagines and complexity in human culture
there's also been a huge mansions complexed in the Amazon jungle in there
and rainforest
and arguably far greater than anything we've achieved through technology
millions in species Beatles insect parts in circle
good the the it seems to me that long before all these things happened on a
we've got the possibility of much higher level of consciousness arts idea
well as you know I make david here's the idea son was conscious
I'm the the these
and the stars the if you take the material is a few that consciousness
interfaces with brain through complex electromagnetic patten's activity
and those on the Sun which we're learning more and more about every day
and have unbelievably com complex chaotic patten's
resonant patten's a acoustic waves going through the Sun
save repair other vessels every 11 years and
resident Patton was a electromagnetic waves
my thinking about this was much influenced by science fiction novel by
Fred Hall
published in the fifties called Black played but Fred poll shows
good to imagine intelligence
necessarily grounded either in copper wires and computers or in nerve cells in
brains as a limitation
this to you could have an intelligent system working through
a passed ball neglected child cloud
and and indeed I think through something like the song said
if the Sun is in fact coaches have stars have a kind of consciousness
I'm tenneco's raises questions as well what they think about what they do
his consciousness that it's very likely that the kind of consciousness they have
appeared in past behind them
alright said when we're talking about the emergence of higher consciousness
in human beings it's not as if for the first time in the universe some high
level of consciousness in nineteen years
it could be that for the first time in the history of the solar system
are mine sometime contact the social intelligence that
much greater intelligence the success that
and because I think it's possible to sync stars
the Suns conscious and then Canucks is conscious I'm
you don't need to go straight beyond the universe to the Divine Mind
has plenty of lower-level mines modifying
that could be out that because traditional views and spirits and angels
tell us that there are many many many innumerable levels of intelligence
beyond
and within the Galaxy many associations
so we don't necessarily have to have the idea it all happened
and emerge on that through complex occasion we can have thing we reach a
point where there's a
ago like a spark passes between
a terrestrial consciousness the human mind with more interconnected
house in the brain people infested
first throws mind-boggling mushroom trip
senator but someone whatever happens that this like a spark a connection
established and it seems to me that this hypothesis
has the great advantage you actually accounting for what's believed or wrong
well namely that there is some connection between human intelligence
and asked the
sky because in terms of imagination you see predators in
we're human beings were based criticism
pay that's her notes and other animals and presumably any housing animal has to
have the imagination the ability to
identify with the prey in fact rene Tom years ago produced a mathematical model
a predator and prey
where has to be kind of internalization praised
creditors mind in order to get the right strategy this is not specifically human
was not enough as a basis to the imagination
I think this connection with rooms be on the human which would give such an
enlarged escaped from a jewish
bed to take literally
what say many people around the world saying that means
seems to be the simplest hypothesis well I'm more
friendly to this idea non biologically based forms of consciousness
them I was the last time we talked because
to out this fact I mentioned that I
now think wherever there is a sufficiently complex
informational environment
the functions of life self replication et cetera et cetera mutation adaptation
a can't go on I'll but obviously
most the intelligence the universe
would be utterly incomprehensible to us
because it is so different soul
we're transducing virtually the entire
hologram mile possible intelligence in the universe
but the reason our fantasies have angels in aliens
give this hominids with binoculars Asian
who use acoustical speech in other words
creatures are very similar to ourselves it's because we've only
can recognize what is come in here
me in this universal information feels
so we say all right past star mind
the galaxy in mind to communicate with the
racism wing common man's around the Sun at Pocono
be prime simply because they are in not
like test that weekend rock our
possibility up the relationship
it seems to me that this is just very begging the question
traditionally cheap fashion called
good Ralph yep
I mean I'm all in favor or so celestial intelligence and in fact I I could even
entertain the conversation with a plea idea I don't mind
but the question i mean we started with the problemo
good even lucien you pollution they remind us in fact the title
or and the question no you lose your progress
or even their origin a mobile these things is
or old my question know if our view is local
that her we can say okay we're being taught Bible
from the blue when we have these you know meddling this little intelligence
to reach now pretend to be Bell and Telus Bell serum
it was mushrooms pretend to be sent from the solar
wind or whatever but where do they come from
you pollution a problem that is just so transferred onto another more remote
please
well as i understand rupert sided with more kinetic field was that these other
places were also in the pollution in the whole system is in coevolution
and that is my attempt I think one of the first world
good the history over intelligent discourse on this subject
the first attempt to world get rid of the hypothesis
go timeless truth
but if you get rid of that hypothesis you have a whole bunch of weird
problems such as then you have to talk about the speed of propagation
novelty your morphogenetic feels
and then you're slammed into the wall because you have to come up with a
number which you fit into a mathematical architecture
or you you say it's instantaneous which returns you to this
holistic more metaphysical thing
if you don't believe that it's coming from the bells space
then you have a whole bunch of these kinds of problems which I think
school revenue and Lee make it to call let it be
instantaneous I mean I think the whole question of time is
in fact behind this problem that we have this idea about time
and we're trying to talk about the timeless so one way to eliminate this
cognitive dissonance is to say okay there is no time was sizzling cue
coevolution and we're a little bit behind the wheel lucien on the planet
the idea was remember where does that come from your store
with the problem so you i think you talking up
the attractor in the problem is more listing Brom's
time is the intelligence that informs informs
that nourishes the accumulation of complexity as we
goal apparently incurring
well I think the tractor is complete in and of itself in another dimension
the process history and biological evolution
is the growing complex now to role
toward thing and understand stories or
processor growth than nor is it or not norick
by some flow or something that come from this the tractor at the end of time in
another dimension
it contributes the trajectory of our approach it defines
the the domain in which we r
moving toward we couldn't even talk this without chaos theory
know all the details theory stands behind this
and very powerful right in a row
people have been talking about this for a long time for chaos
then came along but in such a model fat
conehead compared with a sublime generic here are present
vision Prasad clip
so I don't quite see why chaos there is an essential ingredient forget chaos
theory
I would I'm I'm interested in the possibility that
in your deepest musings on this problem you have a rather
avoided father beads a challenge to grapple with Infinity
that the the idea of the group calling pollution
morphogenetic field begs the question of the existence of a timeless
her eternal truth pattern guidance or something which is
well but that are you know what I mean father beat used the word mystical
but of course he's was priest I don't think he meant
the sensually incomprehensible
and when I don't think we're gonna get to a place where we then say from here
on it is mister T&
rational apprehension fails my notion
the mystical is simply that which remains to be understood and
there will always be a residual mystery
in principle but in principle it is not
mysterious let me know I think I don't agree with that and I set mine you're
mine
present well mmm
I'm well we'll soon be out of business if we're talking at the edge of the
unthinkable
we actually everything suddenly becomes thinkable it
even in principle think
I think good given the nature of the human mind involved
to deal with long predators hunting on african plains
gassing happens in center I'm dealing with
social problems human relationships it after the idea that this
even missions equipped as with mines and languid
and cognitive abilities that enable us to comprehend the entire universe where
it's coming from where it's going
well mines and mind may lie beyond what you see
the idea this very small part to be humiliation
system with no limitations inherent in it could comprehend the whole
seems to me I rather on improbable
some position and I think that the point about mysticism all
what the Greek Church cause apathetic the apathetic that
is that that the the ultimate in the end does lie beyond what we can think
nothing can only take a sec for and this isn't just because we haven't gotten our
professors and mathematics yet or
and things any measure bigger computers in Table good
there are grave limits on how far and very limited
and even mention rebound conceptual apparatus can take years
we'd never be able to embrace as you yourself pointed at
think the kind of mentality of the song organics ickes is concerned so much
greater and more roommate
let alone in the universe in the hold button principles
some other form of organization could in other words these things are not sealed
from understanding in principle
they are simply difficult for prying
based mines running limited software at low
hurts rate to a accommodate
yes but I mean if presumably the soul and mind if there is one
could understand have a pretty good intuitive understanding and being
minds about this homes i mean i i if the Sun has in mind
part of its activity I think be concerned with the the solar system
like the brain the same the system but possibly expect everything to be
concerned with it
peer group name the I will start and
and had been part of their activity
would be related to the I'm mind or purpose or
teal also the entire galaxy and those kinds of concerns
you know the kind of relationship problems that are some may be having
with assault
double star systems like that serious
the kind of I'm relationship problems that
I'm ways around the beyond escape human psychotherapy
and or anything human fault they may be so many things going