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wife of United Nations dimplomat
She lives in London now but has
thousands of followers around the world
who hailed Her India's greatest living saint.
She teaches a state of self-realisation and happiness and says
that with the spiritual force She can cure the incurable.
She's speaking at public meetings in Bretford
tonight and Northampton tomorrow
and today She gave Her first
television interview in England our reporter Rebecca [NAME NOT CLEARLY AUDIBLE].
Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi
is known around the world for Her healing powers.
Her followers look upon Her as Divine.
Mother as She is referred to preaches a gospel of peace
and has discovered a spritual force called
Kundalini, which is shown on this chart.
She can release it in seekers
as She calls them to give them complete awareness.
She admits that many Westerners are sceptical of Her powers
but She scrons the idea of charging money for Her gift.
Her claims of success in curing and healing are reamrakable.
Alcoholics have been known to give up drink.
drug takers have been cured
but perhaps most extraordinary of all
She claims to have cured many cancer victims
Reporter: How many people have you managed to cure who have had cancer?
Shri Mataji: Thousands... I... I don't know... Reporter: Thousands?
What do doctors think of what you are saying?
Shri Mataji: You see, the trouble is, I myself have done medicine and
the doctors are the people who are working
the shoot side of the life not the roots of it.
So the trouble with them is that anybody starts
talking that it can be cured by
a higher method than a human awareness
then they don't want to jump into that awareness
which is a higher awareness that one has to achieve
because human awareness is still transitory.
You have to achieve that awareness which is the Divine awareness
when you have that awareness, then only you can cure it.
Reporter: How do you describe Yourself? As a healer or spiritualist?
Shri Mataji: You see, I do not want to fall into any category Myself
because, I'm a housewife, and I've to do all the jobs of a housewife
I'm also a diplomat's wife, so I've to act as a diplomat's wife
I'm also a person who has to do this work of Sahaja Yoga.
So I don't know how to describe Myself.
Reporter: Can I ask for if You can teach me Shri Mataji: Yes yes. One can teach masses
Now you have to first see in your case now what is
the problem. First is that they feel imbalance, a little imbalance
because you have to work out yourself too much
I think you have to go out too much and then
I think you don't have much time for your emotional life
so its more that you are more mental and physical
but less of emotions in you
so there has to be a balance. So first I have to give you balance like this, allright.
Now I have to put you into balance Now, this is, you are working with your
mind too much, so you are over-working it, so your liver is out
and the liver is also excited.
So, to put it right, what we have to do is to just put you
Reporter: What are you doing? Just I'm removing the liver pressure.
The liver is expressed in this part and this part of the hand
So your liver pressure is reduced. It's very simple.
Now, is anyone watching this going to have spill-on effect from You?
From Me? No no, no effect. Not yet
Because it is just, you see, it's like construction of the destruction
you just take out the destruction out of the construction, that's all
it's very simple. Now, what I am doing now
you have to now just say within yourself
or loud if you want to, say that
Mother, I forgive everyone Just say that
Reporter: Mother, I forgive everyone
Shri Mataji: Yes, you have to say thrice. Now let's see
Reporter: Mother, I forgive everyone Shri Mataji: Again
Reporter: Mother, I forgive everyone Shri Mataji: Again
Reporter: Mother, I forgive everyone Shri Mataji: Now see
there is flowing
a little preasure
It's very sensitive, it's very subtle
What I can... I can feel the clearness
It's started. Started you see
Just I, what I'm making a cross on your hand
You see that Christ who said you have to forgive
Now see, it's working
Reporter: And what will it do for me in the long run?
In the, in the long run this is your own power how you'll manifest
You have this power within your self
Now with this you would feel very peaceful
You will control your thoughts
you don't have to think all the time
You can rest without thinking
If you want you can think, otherwise you need not think
Then your own powers will be manifested
by which, you can give this power to others
there are so many things you can do
[INAUDIABLE]
Her name is Mataji Nirmala Devi
who trained as a doctor in India
and she is now married to a senior diplomat
at the United Nations
She lives in London, but this week She's holding a series of public meetings
to publicise Her teachings
She believes that we all have a form of spiritual energy
called Kundalini, at the base of our spines
which can be awakened and sent flowing through the body
So I took my shoes off and went to meet Her in Northampton
this morning. You are a person who's
more active outside and think too much
works too much Reporter: Thinks too much?
Nobody said that to me before. Allright
And you work too much physically
run about, and you are more
working outside, and left side
is the emotional side so
left side for emotional life.
Well that's what is inbalance in you is.
Now for this we have to give you a balance
Allright. What I'll do is to
awaken your frozen side and
bring it down to the grace comes over here
to satisfy this side.
So it is to be awakened.
You see the emotional side is awakened
and this side is given a sort of a
soothing effect with the all pervading power from your side
So this is how it moves. Allright? This is the energy.
But is this energy you always desire anymore
than the desire that everyone has to make the best of himself, to be happy, to be content
You cannot be content with material things.
You cannot be. That's the basic principle of economics.
So can I put a contradiction to You, but in the past
all the gurus that have achieved fame in the West
have all seemed to be surrounded by a great deal of very affluent trappings
great deal of wealth and money
That seemed to, a great contradiction of what they're talking about.
I'm happy you see that, but how many can see that?
There's something one should understand that it it not a business
You cannot make money out of...
But, they're making a very successful business out of it
Because you are so naive. In this country
people do not use their brains
you must come to right conclusions
that if something has to happen to you
it will be in your awareness
you have to manifest your powers
and then you only you'll realize that you cannot
pay money for your evolution.
Now we've get perhaps 3 million people watching us at the moment.
Should they be able to feel anything or
or gain anything from just watching You on television?
Yes, some of them may, if they're just there
if they put their hands towards me just now, even like this
they might feel the cool breeze in their hands
and they even might feel on their heads coming out the cool breeze
I mean it has happened in so many places.