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TONIGHT ON "INSIGHTS" ON PBS
HAWAI'I.
WILL THE TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES
BRING ABOUT AN INCREASE IN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE?
AND WHY DOES HAWAI'I CONTINUE T
WITNESS THE LOSS OF WOMEN'S
LIVES AT THE HANDS OF THEIR
INTIMATE PARTNERS?
ALSO, HOWARD DICUS LOOKS AT JOB
LAYOFFS AND UPDATE ON THE STATE
OF HAWAIIAN AIRLINES EMPLOYEES.
LIVE IN OUR STUDIO OUR HOST, DA
BOYLAN.
>>DAN: LO AND WELCOME TO
"INSIGHTS" ON PBS HAWAI'I.
I'M DAN BOYLAN.
TONIGHT WE FOCUS ON DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
A TRAGIC AND SENSELESS CYCLE OF
ABUSE AND BRA TALT IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT JUDGE, TWO
SOCIAL WORKERS AND A VICTIM OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WHO TRIED DAL
TOY BRING THIS HIDDEN TRAGEDY
INTO THE OPEN.
WE'VE LINED UP A PANEL OF
EXPERTS BUT WE WANT TO HEAR FRO
YOU AS WELL.
JOIN OUR CONVERSATION BY CALLIN
AND E-MAILING YOUR QUESTIONS AN
IDEAS FOR OUR GUESTS.
>>DAN: BEFORE WE PROCEED, HERE'
HOWARD DICUS WITH HIS CONTINUIN
DURGE ON THE NATION'S RISING
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.
>>HOWARD: BIG STORY IS THAT WE
ARE SPENDING LESS, BUT SAVING
MORE.
A YEAR AGO, WE SAVED ONLY ABOUT
1% OF OUR INCOME.
NOW, IT'S ALMOST TRIPLE THAT.
ECONOMISTS CALL IT THE PARADOX
OF THRIFT.
SAVING IS GOOD FOR YOU
PERSONALLY, BUT BAD FOR THE
ECONOMY AS A WHOLE.
WHEN EVERYBODY DOES IT.
IF YOUR OWN JOB IS SECURE, YOU
COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE.
CONSIDER WHAT YOU WOULD BUY OR
REPLACE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
ANYWAY AND DO IT NOW WHILE
PRICES ARE LOW.
THEN SAVE LATER WHEN YOU DON'T
NEED TO BUY THOSE THINGS BECAUS
YOU'VE GOT THEM ALREADY.
NOW, MORE BAD NEWS.
GENERAL MOTORS THIS WEEK
AFTER OFFERED BUY-OUTS TO ALL H
WORKS.
EVEN IF ONLY ONES AT RETIRED AG
TOOK THEM, THAT WOULD BE 22,000
PEOPLE.
MACE HE IS CUTTING 7,000 AND 70
JOBS ARE GOING AWAY AT LIZ CLAY
BORN.
QUARTERLY LOSS, DRVMENT R
HORTON, DOW CHEMICAL, AG
OPERATIONS IN HAWAI'I AND
MOTOROLA MAKER OF CELL PHONES
AND BROADCASTING EQUIPMENT.
BARLEY DOWN SALES ARE DOWN MORE
THAN A FIFGHTD AND U.S. SALES O
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE LAGGING
FACE OF INFLATION.
IT JUST SHOWS THAT EVEN THOUGH
SOME OF THEIR PRODUCTS ARE 100
PROOF, THEY'RE NOT RECESSION
PROOF.
LATER IN THE SHOW, ALOHA
AIRLINES EMPLOYEES, WHERE ARE
THEY NOW.
DAN?
>>DAN: JOINING ME IN THE STUDIO
IS NANCI KRIEDMAN, CHIEF
DOMESTIC OFFICER WHICH ADVOCATE
FOR THE VICTIMS OF INTIMATE
PARTNER DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
NANCI IS NOT A SOCIAL WORKER.
JOY LACANIENTA HAS OVER 18 YEAR
BACKGROUND IN COMMUNITY SERVICE
AND ADVOCACY FOR AMONG OTHER
GROUPS, SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
SHE IS A PROGRAM DIRECTOR FOR
CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAWAI'I, A
MOTHER OF TWO CHILDREN, AND A
SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
HELENA MANZANO IS THE PROGRAM
DIRECTOR AT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
VIOLENCE ACTION CENTER.
PROGRAM STRIVES TO IMPROVE
OVERALL RESPONSE TO DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE INVOLVING FILIPINOS AN
OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS IN IMMIGRAN
AND RURAL COMMUNITIES.
MICHAEL BRODERICK IS A FAMILY
COURT JUDGE WHO HAS PRESIDED
OVER COUNTLESS DOMESTIC VIOLENC
RELATED CASES IN HAWAI'I.
MORE THAN I'M SURE HE WOULD LIK
TO PRESIDED OVER AT TIMES.
WE START JUDGE BRODERICK OR
NANCI, EITHER ONE OF YOU, NANCI
WE'LL START WITH YOU.
HONOLULU ADVERTISER IN DECEMBER
FEATURED A SERIES OF ARTICLES O
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THAT I THINK
ALL OF US WHO READ THEM WERE
DEEPLY MOVED BY AND TROUBLED AS
WELL.
OF COURSE IF ANYTHING, THEY WER
BASED ON BAD TIMES AT THE END O
2008 AND NOW, WE'RE IN 2009 AND
THINGS ARE ROUGHER.
ARE THESE ECONOMIC TIMES GOING
TO MEAN MORE DOMESTIC ABUSE IN
YOUR OPINION?
OR DO WE HAVE ANY FIGURES ON IT
YET?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIGURES
LOCALLY.
THE JUDGE MIGHT HAVE SOME AN
BEING DOSE TAL INFORMATION --
SOME ANECDOTAL INFORMATION ABOU
WHEAZ SEEING IN THE COURTROOM.
WE ANTICIPATE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP
CONTRIBUTES TO PROBLEMS FAMILIE
HAVE.
CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTES TO FROB
-- PROBLEMS COMMUNITIES HAVE.
WHETHER WE HAVE RECESSION PROOF
TIMES OR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, WE
IN THIS COMMUNITY AND ALL A
ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO EXPER
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
SHORE UP RESOURCES MAKE SURE
THEY'RE AVAILABLE NOW AS WELL A
BEFORE BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
PEOPLE DON'T GET CONFUSED AND
BEGIN TO BELIEVE THAT ECONOMIC
HARDSHIP IS THE ONLY
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR THAT CREATE
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
>>DAN: JUDGE BRODERICK WHAT
ABOUT ANY OF THAT ANECDOTAL
EVIDENCE?
DO YOU SEE OR FEEL ANYTHING THA
WOULD INDICATE IT'S ON THE RISE.
>> THE NUMBERS HAVEN'T CHANGED
THAT MUCH.
FROM A YEAR AGO OR EVEN 2 YEARS
AGO.
THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN PRETTY
STEADY.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HAS CHANGED.
AND THAT'S THE STORY THAT THE
ALLEGED ABUSER TELLS ME.
WHAT I'M HEARING MORE NOW IS
SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
JUDGE, I LOST MY JOB.
AND AS A RESULT, WE LOST OUR
HOME OR OUR APARTMENT AND I JUS
SNAPPED.
AND THE VICTIM USUALLY WILL
CONFIRM THAT.
THAT'S GUY CAME HOME, LOST HIS
JOB, WAS TOLD THAT THEY LOST TH
HOME AND SNAPPED.
I THINK NANCI'S POINT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
WHICH IS THAT I DON'T KNOW
WHETHER THAT'S WHY THE PERSON
HIT HER OR NOT.
IT'S POSSIBLE HE WOULD HAVE HIT
HER REGARDLESS, BUT THE STORY
THAT IS BEING TOLD IN COURT HAS
CHANGED TO SOME DEGREE.
I'M HEARING MORE STORIES RELATE
TO THE ECONOMY.
>>DAN: WHY DOES THIS KEEP
HAPPENING?
, I MEAN, WHY DOES DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CONTINUE?
IF IT'S NOT JUST A RISING
ECONOMIC PROBLEM, WHAT IS IT?
WHY DO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO
PARTNER WITH PEOPLE WHO SAID
THEY LOVE EACH OTHER AT LEAST
ENOUGH TO COMMIT TO BE BOYFRIEN
GIRLFRIEND OR HUSBAND AND WIFE,
WHY DO THEY HIT EACH OTHER?
>> THE A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE.
>>DAN: LET'S SEE IF WE CAN
UNTANGLE IT A BIT.
>> WE SOCIALIZE OUR BOYS AND
GIRLS DIFFERENTLY TO BELIEVE
THAT WE ARE UNEQUAL, THAT BOYS
ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TOUGH AND
BRAVE AND STRONG AND IN CHARGE,
AND GIRLS ARE TAUGHT AND
SOCIALIZED TO BE THE NURTURERS
AND CAREGIVERS AND QUIET MEMBER
OF THE PARTNERSHIP AND HOLD THE
FAMILY TOGETHER.
THE COMMUNITY CREATES
EXPECTATIONS FOR GROWN-UPS THAT
REINFORCE THE IMAGES THAT WE AL
SEE IN MEDIA, IN LISTENING TO
MUSIC, ON TELEVISION, GO TO THE
MOVIES.
WE LIVE IN A CULTURE THAT
GLORIFIES VIOLENCE AND IF
THERE'S ANY TRUTH TO THE TRICKL
DOWN EFFECT, WHAT WE SEE OUT IN
THE WORLD TRICKLES DOWN TO THE
FAMILY.
>>DAN: BUT ONE OF THE IMAGES
THAT A MAN IS SUPPOSED TO CARRY
IS THAT OF A CAREGIVER.
IF HE'S OUT OF A JOB, DOESN'T
THAT FIT WITH --
>> THE MAN IS THE PROVIDER.
THE WOMAN IS THE CAREGIVER.
>>DAN: IF HE'S OUT OF A JOB,
HE'S IN A POSITION WHERE HE MAY
INDEED SNAP.
>> WELL, WHAT I WANTED TO ASK
THE JUDGE WHEN HE TOLD THAT
STORY WAS IN THOSE COUPLES, WE
DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE HA
BEEN ABUSIVE BEFORE OR
CONSISTENTLY.
>> YES.
>> AND THIS MOST RECENT EPISODE
INSPIRED HER, MOTIVATED HER TO
SEEK THE COURT'S PROTECTION.
>> RIGHT.
A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, IT VARIES.
SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A HISTORY O
DOMESTIC ABUSE.
I'VE HAD A COUPLE CASES RECENTL
WHERE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME.
BUT LET ME TALK REAL QUICKLY
ABOUT WHAT IS THE SADDEST PART
MIEF CALENDAR.
AND IT RELATES TO SOME THINGS
NANCI WAS TALKING ABOUT ABOUT
CULTURE.
A MOTHER OR FATHER WILL FILE A
RESTRAINING ORDER ON BEHALF OF
THEIR DAUGHTER.
USUALLY SHE'S 14, 15, 16.
NO OLDER THAN THAT.
AND SHE'S DATING A YOUNG MAN
WHOSE USUALLY 17, 18, 19, MAYBE
20.
THE YOUNG MAN WILL BE BEATING
THE HECK OUT OF THE YOUNG GIRL
AND WITH THE YOUNG GIRL WILL SA
TO ME, AND IT'S VERY, VERY
DISHEARTENING TO HEAR THIS.
SHE WILL SAY, JUDGE, THAT'S WHA
BOYS DO.
WHEN THEY GET AN UPSET.
THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO
TELL HER THAT HER THINKING IS
DISTORTED.
WHAT NANCI IS TALKING ABOUT IS
RIGHT.
SOMEHOW, THAT YOUNG GIRL AT 14
OR 15 OR 16 HAS DECIDED IN HER
MIND THAT WHAT THAT YOUNG BOY I
DOING TO HER IS ACCEPTABLE
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW BOYS ARE.
THAT'S REALLY SAD.
>> TERRIFYING.
>>DAN: THERE'S A CULTURAL
SCHTICK HERE.
IN DIFFERENT SOCIETIES, THERE
ARE DIFFERENT STEREOTYPES AT
TIMES.
I'M WALKING ON EGGSHELLS HERE.
IS THERE TRUTH TO THE ASSERTION
THAT THERE ARE DIS PREPORTION A
NUMBER OF WOMEN OF FILIPINO
ANCESTRY INVOLVED IN DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CASES IN HAWAI'I?
>> CERTAINLY, OUR STATISTICS
SHOWS THAT AT LEAST MURDERS,
THAT HAVE HAPPENED, I CAN'T SAY
FOR SURE OF COURSE, I'M NOT AN
EXPERT IN THAT FIELD AND HE
DON'T HAVE SOLID DATA IT REALLY
PROVE THAT AND WE HAVE NOT
STUDIED EVERY ETHNIC OR RACIAL
GROUP.
WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK
AT A PARTICULAR GROUP IN THE
FILIPINO PROJECT BECAUSE OF THI
STATISTICS AND AGAIN, YEAH, ME
TOO.
I'M ALWAYS NERVOUS WHEN I'M
ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE O
THE ONE HAND, WE SAY IT CUTS
ACROSS CULTURES.
BUT HOW DOES CULTURE PLAY A ROL
IN THAT.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S VERY BLATANT
QUESTION THAT I GET.
ALSO ARE FILIPINOS MORE VIOLENT
THAN OTHER CULTURES.
SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO WHY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WE'RE FINDING OUT.
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT HOW CULTURE
PLAYS A ROLE IS CERTAIN BELIEFS
AND PRACTICES AND VALUES THAT
GET EXPLOITED THAT CONTRIBUTE T
THE BARRIERS OR THAT MAYBE
NORMALIZES ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
IN FACT, I CAN SAY THIS AMONG
OUR COMMUNITY, FILIPINO
COMMUNITY, AND I'M SURE THE THE
SAME FOR OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS
THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT
BEING BEATEN IS AGAINST THE LAW.
FOR EXAMPLE.
IN AMERICA.
IT MAY BE AGAINST THE LAW IN TH
PHILIPPINES, BUT THE RESPONSES
HAVE NOT BEEN CONSISTENT TO SAY
THAT IT'S A CRIMINAL ACT, FOR
EXAMPLE.
SO LIKE JUDGE BRODERICK AND
NANCI SAID.
IT'S WHAT WE'RE TAUGHT, THAT TH
WOMEN DESERVE THE BEATING IF TH
MAN GETS ANGRY AND HE HAS THE
RIGHT BECAUSE HE PROVIDES FOR
HER.
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN TERMS
OF CULTURE IS HOW ASPECTS OF
CULTURE THAT MAY BE GOOD ON ONE
HAND, IT'S ALWAYS LIKE A DOUBLE
EDGED SWORD FOR SOME OF THOSE
THINGS.
AND THAT CAN BE EXPLOITED OR
BECOMES A BARRIER FOR -- TO THE
SURVIVORS.
>>DAN: JOY, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR
HEAD UP AND DOWN.
YOU'VE BEEN A VICTIM OF ABUSE.
>> ACTUALLY, I'VE BEEN A
SURVIVOR.
>>DAN: I'M SORRY.
>> YEAH.
>>DAN: BUT YOU WERE NODDING YOU
HEAD ON THE CULTURAL THING.
COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT?
>> YES.
BEING FILIPINO MYSELF, AND I CA
SAY THAT I'M NOT THE TYPICAL
STEREOTYPE OF WHAT AN IMMIGRANT
YOU KNOW, BEATEN DOWN PERSON
THAT SURVIVED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
I AM A MOTHER WHO WORKS FOR
HERSELF AND PROVIDES FOR HER
CHILDREN AS WELL, BUT AT THE
SAME TIME, I COULD REALLY SPEAK
TO WHAT THE CULTURAL FACTORS TO
FACTORS ARE AND ONE OF THEM IS
A FILIPINO COMMUNITY OR ANY
ASIAN CULTURES, THAT YOU COULD
SEE THAT IT'S PART OF THE
CULTURAL PRACTICE TO NOT AIR OU
YOUR DIRTY LAUNDRY IN THE
COMMUNITY OR ANYONE, EVEN YOUR
CLOSEST FAMILY OR FRIENDS,
BECAUSE THERE'S SHAME AND GUILT
FACTOR.
AND BEING IN MY FAMILY, JUST
FILIPINOS, WE DON'T HAVE DIVORC
IN OUR CULTURAL STRUCTURE, IN
THE FAMILY STRUCTURE IN THE
PHILIPPINES.
FOR A WOMAN TO COME OUT OR A
SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE T
COME OUT AND SAY, THIS IS
HAPPENING IN MY FAMILY, THAT IS
SUCH A BIG STEP AND I THINK
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS PERPETUATE
IN SUCH COMMUNITIES BECAUSE
IT'S, ONE, NOT ACCEPTABLE TO
TALK ABOUT IT, AND WHO ARE YOU
TO BRING UP SUCH A SHAMEFUL
FACTOR IN OUR COMMUNITY, HOW
DARE YOU SHAME OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THERE'S A DEEPER LEVEL OF
THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FAMIL
BECAUSE HONOR SYSTEM IN ASIAN
COMMUNITIES AND I'M SURE THAT
THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY AND
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, IT'
VERY PRONOUNCED.
EVEN CAUCASIAN FAMILIES AS WELL
THAT'S SUCH A DEEP TOPIC TO TAL
ABOUT.
ESPECIALLY LIKE WHAT YOU
DISCUSSED EARLIER WHEN YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO PEOPLE
CAME TOGETHER TO PROMISE TO LOV
EACH OTHER.
AND YOU COME FROM A CULTURE THA
DOESN'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THAT
THERE'S SUCH A THING AS DIVORCE.
AND HERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE IN A
DIFFERENT COUNTRY, OR EVEN IF
YOU ARE FILIPINO AMERICAN OR
ASIAN AMERICAN OR ANYTHING LIKE
THAT, YOU COME FORWARD AND SAY
THAT.
IT'S STILL THAT STIGMA.
>>DAN: JOY, YOU CORRECTED ME,
VICTIM AND SURVIVOR.
HOW DO YOU SIR VIEFERB DOMESTIC
-- SURVIVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE?
>> THE WAY I LOOK ADD THE IT, I
TALKED TO MANY SOCIAL WORKERS
AND ADVOCATES OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AND REALLY, I CONSIDER
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE JUST LIKE
CANCER.
IF YOU'RE HIT BY IT, IT DOESN'T
DISCRIMINATE COLOR, CREED,
RELIGION.
IT DOESN'T CARE IF YOU ARE
EDUCATED.
IT DOESN'T CARE IF YOU HAVE
NEVER BEEN TO COLLEGE OR HAVE
EVEN READ A BOOK.
IT DOESN'T CARE IF YOU'RE RICH
OR POOR.
IT CAN HAPPEN IN ANY FAMILY.
IT CAN HAPPEN IN ANY PERSON'S
LIFE.
BUT AS LONG AS YOU HAVEN'T GIVE
UP YOUR LIFE, YOU'RE NOT A
VICTIM.
IF A PERSON LIVES THROUGH IT OR
IS LIVING WITH IT, STRUGGLING
WITH IT, YOU'RE STILL A
SURVIVOR.
YOU'RE SURVIVING THAT INSTANCE.
>>DAN: SO ANY WOMAN WHO MAKES I
TO JUDGE BRODERICK'S COURT AND
ASKS FOR A TRO IS TRYING TO
SURVIVE, IS NOT A VICTIM.
>>DAN: THAT HE'S *R STHREEZ *R
SHE'S
TRYING TO GET OUT.
HOW DO YOU GET TO THAT SNOINT
BECAUSE THERE'S A PROBLEM OF DI
I -- DIVORCE, OR PROBLEMS OF
SECURITY.
WHAT IF YOU LEAVE THIS MAN, ARE
YOU GOING TO HAVE MONEY TO LIVE
ON.
WHAT ABOUT CHILD CARE?
HOW AM I GOING TO TAKE CARE OF
CHILD CARE BY MYSELF.
?
HOW DO YOU REACH THE POINT WHER
YOU SAY, OKAY, I'M GOING TO
COURT.
I'M GOING TO GET RID OF THIS
GUY?
>> THE MOMENT THAT YOU
UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT THER
IS A PROBLEM, THAT YOU NEED TO
GET OUT OF THAT RELATIONSHIP,
THAT YOU NEED TO SURVIVE, JUST
THE NEED, THE HOPE THAT CAN YOU
SURVIVE AND LIVE THROUGH IT, YO
ARE SURVIVING ALREADY.
EVEN THE WOMEN ARE STILL IN THE
VICTIM MENTALITY AND IT'S NOT
JUST WOMEN TOO.
CHILDREN ARE PART OF THAT WHOLE
DYNAMIC OF IT.
AND IT'S NOT JUST WOMEN.
ALSO HAVE MET MEN WHO ARE
SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
SO JUST THE ACCEPTANCE OF IT AN
KNOWING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING
WRONG IN THIS RELATIONSHIP, I
HAVE FELT WORSE, I AM A PERSON
THAT DESERVES MORE THAN TO BE
HURT.
AND THIS IS NOT A HEALTHY
RELATIONSHIP.
THEN THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF
SURVIVING.
>> WE KNOW MANY OF OUR WOMEN WH
ARE NOT ABLE TO LEAVE ARE ALSO
SURVIVING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOIN
TO SURVIVE IS TO, NOT JUST HOPE
FOR THAT ONE DAY AND THERE'S
ALWAYS THAT HOPE AND THAT'S WHA
MAKES THEM STAY, AND FOR
FILIPINAS, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE
THOSE SO CALLED PROTECTIVE
FACTORS.
THEY'RE SAFE FOR EXAMPLE.
WHAT WE KNOW FROM OUR SURVIVORS
TOO IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY
STRATEGIZE ON HOW TO SURVIVE TH
NEXT BEATING, THE NEXT
PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE, BY TRYING
TO MINIMIZE.
SO IF WE SEE THEM SORT OF GOING
ALONG WITH THEIR PERPETRATORS,
IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE
TOTALLY YOU KNOW, GIVEN UP.
THEY'RE JUST REALLY TRYING TO
LIVE DAY BY DAY.
BUT REALLY, WE'VE TALKED TO
SURVIVORS WHO I HAD A PLAN AND
YET, THE PERCEPTION OF EVERYONE
IS LIKE WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAV
TO A UPON THE WHERE SHE'S BEING
JUDGED WHERE YOU'RE WEAK,
STUPID.
REALLY, SHE HAD A PLAN.
SHE'S TRYING TO STACK UP HER
RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO GET TO
THAT POINT.
>> THAT IS ONE THING ABOUT THE
ECONOMIC CHALLENGES WE'RE FACIN
RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN
ENORMOUS EFFECT NOT QUITE THE
INCIDENCE BUT THE VICTIM'S
ABILITY TO LEAVE, ESCAPE, SET U
ANOTHER HOUSEHOLD, HAVE THE
RESOURCES THEY NEED TO GET FREE
AND SAFE.
>> I DO HAVE WOMEN PARTICULARLY
IN THE LAST YEAR, WHO ASKED ME
TO DISSOLVE THE TRO.
THEY ASKED ME TO END IT.
THE WOMAN FILES IT, THEN SHE
COMES AND SAYS, JUDGE I'M ASKIN
YOU TO END THIS.
I SAY WHY.
BECAUSE HE'S GOT THE ONLY CAR.
>> THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS THAT.
THERE'SAMBIVALENCE.
>> THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ECONOMI
PIECE TO THIS THAT KEEPS WOMEN
IN THE RELATIONSHIPS.
THAT SERVES AS AN IMPETUS TO NO
MAKE THE BREAK.
>>DAN: IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVER
TIME I SEE A PROBLEM, OFTEN
AMONG STUDENTS, SINGLE PARENTS,
WOMEN WHO ARE RAISING A COUPLE
KIDS OR KID OR 3 OR 4 KIDS
THAT'S NOT AT EASY THING TO DO.
WITH ONE INCOME IN THIS STATE
AND PERHAPS WITHOUT A LOT OF
FAMILY.
IT MIGHT TAKE SOMETHING IN ORDE
TO KEEP THAT INCOME.
>> IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE,
IT'S NOT, THE WAY YOU ARE
FRAISEING IT, I GUESSES SHE'S
MAKING A DECISION, BUT IT'S
BASED ON LACK OF OPTIONS.
EITHER WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A
PRIORITY, INVEST IN OUR
FAMILIES.
>>DAN: HOW DO WE DO THAT?
YOU AND MIKE WERE HERE A YEAR
AGO, YOU WERE COMPLAINING THERE
AREN'T ANY SHELTERS FOR SOMEONE
TO GO.
>> THERE ARE SHELTERS ON THE
ISLAND.
>>DAN: NOT ENOUGH OF THEM?
THERE ARE SUFFICIENT SHELTERS?
>> WOMEN WHO ARE ESCAPING
RELATIONSHIPS.
>> LET ME SHIFT THE DISCUSSION
JUST FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I
REALLY IMPORTANT.
RALPH PEREZ, I
THINK HE DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
HE GOT TWO TYPES OF REACTIONS T
THAT SERIES.
E-MAILED HIM AND CALLED HIM AND
SAID, THANK YOU.
YOU'VE MOTIVATED ME TO SEEK HEL
OR YOU'VE MOTIVATED MY ABUSER T
SEEK HELP.
BUT HE ALSO GOT A SECOND TYPE O
CALL AND E-MAIL AND THAT WAS
SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IT WAS ALL MEN.
AND THEY SAID, YOU GOT IT ALL
WRONG.
THE SERIES IS TERRIBLY UNFAIR
BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY THE SYSTE
THAT FAVORS THE WOMEN.
AND I SAID TO ROB, HOW MANY OF
THOSE DID YOU GET.
I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO SAY 3
OR 4.
27.
WELL, 27 IS ACTUALLY A LOT OF
PEOPLE.
AND I THINK IT'S REFLECTIVE OF
LOT MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO
DIDN'T CONTACT ROB.
SO THERE IS A PERCEPTION OUT
THERE BY A NUMBER OF MEN THAT
THE SYSTEM FROM THE FRONT END T
THE BACK END, IS UNFAIR TO THEM.
>> I CAN SEE JOY WANTS TO SAY
SOMETHING.
>> I THINK, I WANTED TO SPEAK O
2 TERMS.
ONE IS ABOUT THE FINANCIAL
COMPONENT, PART OF THE ABUSE
CYCLE.
PATTERN OF ABUSE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE BEATING.
AND IT'S MOSTLY PSYCHOLOGICAL,
EMOTIONAL AND THERE IS A
FINANCIAL FACTOR.
WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME WAS THA
WHEN I HAD ACTUALLY TOLD MY
EX-HUSBAND THAT I WAS GOING TO
LEAVE, HE WENT AND STOLE MY CAR.
HE WITHDREW ALL OF OUR FUNDS.
MY FUNDS.
STOLE THE ATM AND WENT AND TOOK
EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO KEEP ME
ISOLATED.
AND THAT'S WHAT DOMESTIC ABUSE
IS ALL ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL.
AND AGAIN, THAT KIND OF LEADS T
WHAT JUDGE BRODERICK IS HEARING
AND WHAT BOB PEREZ IS HEARING.
WHEN I WAS BEING INTERVIEWED BY
ROB, I TOLD HIM THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO GET THIS KIND OF
REACTION FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE
STIRRED UP BY THE FACT THAT IT'
MORE CENTERED.
95 TO 98% OF VICTIMS
ARE SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE ARE WOMEN.
BUT MOSTLY IT'S BECAUSE IT'S
ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL.
SO THE MEN WHO ARE PERPETRATORS
WILL SAY, NO, IT'S BECAUSE THE
SYSTEM IS FINDING A WAY TO FAVO
THE WOMEN, OR NO, THIS IS THE
REASON WHY, OR ANY OTHER EXCUSE
THAT YOU COULD SEE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST THE
MEN THAT COULD BE SAYING THAT.
IT'S ANYONE WHO WILL PERPETRATE
THIS KIND OF HEINOUS THING TO
ANOTHER PERSON THAT THEY SHOULD
BE PROTECTING AND LOVING.
>>DAN: WE HAVEN'T GOT --
>> GO BACK TO SOMETHING JUDGE
SAID EARLY ON AND IT HAS TO DO,
BRINGS US BACK TO CULTURE AND
INVESTMENT BY THE COMMUNITY.
AS A COMMUNITY, WE HAVE NOT DON
A VERY GOOD JOB IN INVESTING IN
PREVENTION.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE
ANTI-SMOKING CAMPAIGN, AND THE
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
THAT HAS BEEN SPENT TO HELP
YOUNG PEOPLE PARTICULARLY
UNDERSTAND THAT SMOKING IS
HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH, THE
NUMBER OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO NOW
DO NOT SMOKE AND COMPARE THAT
WITH THE SLIM DOLLARS THAT HAVE
BEEN INVESTED AND HEALTHY
DATING, OR EDUCATION FOR YOUNG
PEOPLE, IT'S A DRASTIC CONTRAST
AND I SUBMIT THAT IF WE WERE TO
INVEST IN OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, AND
SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE
COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, MIKE
WOULDN'T BE HEARING YOUNG PEOPL
SAYING, THAT'S WHAT BOYS DO.
>>DAN: WELL, A LOT OF THE THING
I WAS READING, SOMEONE HAD
EXPERIENCED SURVEY OF PEOPLE,
EXPERIENCED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WOUL
DO, AND IT'S A ONE THING YOU
WOULD ADVISE, AND THE THING THA
THEY REPEATED MOST WAS
EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION
EDUCATION.
SO WHERE SHOULD WE BEGIN THAT
AND HOW DO WE BEGIN THAT IF
PEOPLE ARE SEEING DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AT HOME OR IF
CULTURALLY, IT'S SOMETIMES
ACCEPTED, OR WHERE CAN WE BEGIN?
>> I WAS SO GRATEFUL FOR THE
ADVERTISERS AND LEADERSHIP OF
LEE WEB ERAND ROB'S GREAT WORK
AND KEVIN DAYTON.
GOT A COUPLE OF CALLS FROM THE
EDITORIAL FOLKS, CURTAIN RISER
OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED AND IN
THE FINAL EDITORIAL, AND THEY
SAID TO ME, SO WHAT'S THE ONE
THING?
AND I SAID, IT ISN'T ONE
THING.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE
PRETTY DISAPPOINTING TO PEOPLE
LIKE US IF WE PUT FORTH, THAT
THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE
COULD DO THAT'S GOING TO
ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO MANY
THINGS TO ADDRESS THE
COMPLEXITY, AND THE
MULTIFACETED CHALLENGES THAT
WE FACE IN OUR RESPECTIVE
WORKPLACES, SCHOOLS, HOMES,
COMMUNITIES.
HEALTH CARE SETTINGS.
>> TO ME, THE KEY TO THAT
SERIES IS I REALLY BELIEVE IT
RAISED A LEVEL OF AWARENESS.
AND YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT TO
KEEP YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR AND
YOU DO.
LET ME TELL YOU 3 THINGS THAT
HAPPENED TO ME.
I RECEIVED A MEDITATION TAPE
FROM SOMEONE I'VE NEVER MET.
I RECEIVED AN EXERCISE BOOK
FROM SOMEONE I'VE NEVER MET.
AND A HEALTHY DIET BOOK.
FROM SOMEONE I NEVER MET AND
THEIR LETTERS TO ME WENT LIKE
THIS.
JUDGE BRODERICK, WE READ ABOUT
HOW YOU SPEND 3 MORNINGS A
WEEK AND WE HAD NO IDEA THAT
PEOPLE DID THAT TO EACH OTHER.
NOW,THERE'S VALUE THERE.
>>DAN: EXCUSE ME.
HELEN.
>> BEFORE I FORGET MY THOUGHT.
LIKE NANCI SAID, IT'S NOT ONE
THING.
AND OUR PROJECT, OUR PROGRAM
IS ACTUALLY TASKED TO GO OUT
AND RAISE AWARENESS AND SO
WHAT WE LIKE TO SAY IS WE'LL
GO TO ANYONE WHO WILL WELCOME
US AND HEAR OUR MESSAGE EVEN
IF THEY DON'T LIKE TO LISTEN
OUR MESSAGE, WE'LL GO THERE
AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS NOT
JUST DISPEL THE MYTHS, BUT
ALSO OUR CHALLENGE IS TO FIND
INTERSECTION OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE WITH ALL THESE OTHER
ISSUES THAT THEY SEE AS
PRIORITY IN THEIR LIVES.
SO ECONOMICS, AND ALL OF THOSE
THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE
ACTUALLY, NOT JUST EDUCATE
ABOUT THE POWER AND CONTROL
AND THE DYNAMIC, BUT HOW TO
CREATE PROTECTIVE FACTORS.
HOW TO NOW ADDRESS THE
BARRIERS THAT IS CREATED IN
OUR CULTURES AND OUR
SUBCULTURES AND OUR SPECIFIC
COMMUNITIES AND SO THE
EDUCATION, WHERE DO WE START,
IDEALLY, WE BEGIN WITH THE
YOUNG AND THEN JUST KEEP
GOING.
AND NOT STOP.
BUT THE REALITY IS GROWN-UPS
ALREADY ENGRAINED IN ALL OF
THOSE THINGS, SO WE HAVE TO
UNDO ALL OF THAT.
>> WE HAVE A LEARN PROGRAM
WHICH IS DESIGNED TO GO OUT
AND ENTERTAIN IN THE HEARTS
AND MINDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE THE
IDEA THAT THERE IS SUCH A
THING AS HEALTHY DATING, TO
DISPEL SOME OF THESE MYTHS AND
TO HELP YOUNG PEOPLE SEE
RELATIONSHIPS DIFFERENTLY.
BUT IT'S SO SORELY
UNDERFUNDED.
>>DAN: IN SO MANY THINGS, I
SAW REPORT THAT WAS DONE TO
THE LEGISLATURE ON WHAT'S
NEEDED AND THE LEGISLATURE IS
DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY THE
RENT.
ON STATE BUILDINGS AND DO WE
HAVE TO TURN OFF -- WE WON'T
EVEN BRING UP OTHER ISSUES TO
SAVE MONEY.
I'M A STATE WORKER.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING
ON.
HOW ARE ANY OF THESE THINGS
GOING TO COME TO PASS?
>> I HAVE TO SAY THIS.
I WROTE SPEAKER SAY, SPEAKER
OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE I READ
HIS EXCERPTS FROM HIS SPEECH.
AND HE SAID IN THERE THAT HE'S
GOING TO DO HIS VERY BEST TO
MAINTAIN THE SERVICES FOR
HUMAN SERVICES AND SOCIAL
SERVICES, AND I WROTE HIM A
CARD AND I SAID, MR. SPEAKER,
I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW
GRATEFUL I AM FOR THAT
STATEMENT YOU MADE AND I KNOW
HE MEANT IT BECAUSE I SHARED
WITH HIM ON MY CARD, SOME OF
THE THINGS I SEE EVERY DAY,
AND SO WAS A WONDERFUL
COMMITMENT, AT LEAST HE
PERSONALLY MADE.
>>DAN: JOY I SEE YOU NODDING
YOUR HEAD.
>> YES.
I TOO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NOT
JUST ONE THING, BUT I THINK
THE PRIMARY ASPECT IS THAT
WHEN WE DO EDUCATE WOMEN AND
FAMILIES ABOUT SPEAKING OUT
ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND
TAKING THAT FIRST STEP, IS
ACTUALLY GIVING THEM THE
MESSAGE OF WHAT'S NEXT.
EDUCATING THEM ABOUT ONCE YOU
LEAVE, THEN WHAT'S NEXT.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT TO
YOU.
BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING MORE
FRIGHTENING FOR A PERSON WHOSE
PLANNING TO LEAVE OR EVEN IF
YOU REALIZE THAT YOU NEED TO
LEAVE A VIOLENT SITUATION,
BECAUSE YOU WOULD RATHER JUST
NOT DO IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T
KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
NEXT.
AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE
MORE, MOST VULNERABLE RIGHT
WHEN THE WOMEN DECIDES TO
LEAVE THE RELATIONSHIP.
OR RIGHT WHEN THE SURVIVOR
DECIDES TO SAY, ENOUGH IS
ENOUGH.
I MEAN, WHAT MY EXPERIENCE WAS
WITH THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN SO
LONG AND VERY DRAINING.
I WAS TELLING JUDGE BRODERICK
EARLIER THAT I HOLD THE RECORD
FOR BEING THE LONGEST CLIENT
OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
ACTION CENTER.
I WAS ACTUALLY A CLIENT HAD
WHEN THEY WERE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CLEARING HOUSE.
AND JUST THE FACT THAT A
PERSON CAN GO AND THINK HOW
LONG IS THIS GOING TO TAKE ME.
HOW LONG DO I EVEN HAVE TO
SURVIVE.
YOU'RE, AGAIN VICTIMIZED NOT
JUST BY YOU'RE MOVING FROM ONE
ABUSER TO YET ANOTHER.
>>DAN: ISN'T THAT A COMMON
COMPLAINT, THAT THE SYSTEM
RUNS PEOPLE THROUGH TOO MUCH
STUFF TO GET OUT OF THEIR
SITUATION?
>> CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?
>>DAN: SURE.
>> I REALLY WANT TO.
WE HAVE AN ADVERSARIAL SYSTEM
IN OUR COUNTRY.
SO I'M A JUDGE.
I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE.
SO YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT TO ME.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT
I SEE SOMETIMES IN MY COURT.
THE WOMAN WILL STATE TO ME
WHAT HAPPENED.
AND THEN I'LL TURN TO THE MAN
AND I'LL SAY, SIR, YOU HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HER
QUESTIONS.
AND HE MIGHT SAY, WELL, ISN'T
IT TRUE THAT, AND MAYBE HE'LL
STAND UP WHEN HE ASKS THAT
QUESTION.
WHICH IS HIS RIGHT TO STAND
UP.
HE MIGHT RAISE HIS VOICE A
LITTLE BIT.
AND OFTEN THE WOMAN WILL SAY
TO ME, ARE YOU GOING TO LET
HIM SPEAK TO ME THAT WAY?
ARE YOU GOING TO LET HIM ASK
ME THAT QUESTION AND I TRY TO
SAY, WITH EMPATHY, HE HAS THE
RIGHT TO ASK YOU THAT
QUESTION.
I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT FOR YOU,
BUT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO
QUESTION YOU.
AND SO I THINK FOR A LOT OF
WOMEN, WHO ARE VERY
VULNERABLE, IT IS A VERY
INTIMIDATING SYSTEM,
INTIMIDATING PLACE TO BE, BUT
I HAVE TO GIVE THAT RESPONDENT
AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
AND WOMEN NEED TO KIND OF
CENTER THEMSELVES, GET READY
FOR THE ADVERSARIAL PROCESS,
GO IN THERE AND BE STRONG.
I KNOW THAT'S A MESSAGE THAT A
LOT OF WOMEN DON'T WANT TO
HEAR, BUT IT IS AN ADVERSARIAL
SYSTEM.
YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU'RE
ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE.
>>DAN: WE'VE GOT TO MOVE RIGHT
NOW, JOY, BUT WE'LL BE BACK
AND I'LL GET YOUR COMMENT.
A YEAR AGO AT THIS TIME, MORE
THAN 2,000 OF OUR NEIGHBORS
WERE EMPLOYED BY ALOHA
AIRLINES.
THAT DIDN'T LAST.
ACQUISITION PLANS FELL
THROUGH.
THE MAJORITY SHAREHOLDER CUT
OFF FUNDING AND ALOHA SUDDENLY
AND PERMANENTLY DIED.
WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE TODAY?
HOWARD DICUS RETURNS WITH
THEIR CONTINUING STORY.
>>HOWARD: WE SAW SOME OF OUR
OLD FRIENDS FROM ALOHA
AIRLINES THIS WEEK WHEN
MOKULELE AIRLINES MOVING AHEAD
OF ITS OWN TIME TABLE EXPANDED
ITS NEW JET SERVICE TO SERVE
MAUI.
ALREADY FLYING JETS FROM
HONOLULU TO KONA AND KAUAI,
MOKULELE LAUNCHED KAHULUI
SERVICE ON MONDAY.
THEY WERE FAMILIAR PLACES
BECAUSE 80% OF MOKULELE'S WORK
FORCE CONSISTS OF FORMER ALOHA
AIRLINES EMPLOYEES.
HUNDREDS OF ALOHA AIRLINES
EMPLOYEES WERE FORCED TO MOVE
TO THE MAINLAND OR EVEN TO THE
ASIA PACIFIC REGION IF THEY
WANTED TO CONTINUE FLYING.
AS MANY MORE STAYED BUT GOT
OUT OF THE BUSINESS.
AND SOME HAVE YET TO FIND WHAT
THEY VIEW AS SUITABLE
EMPLOYMENT.
A SURPRISING NUMBER WERE ABLE
TO FIND WORK.
HAWAIIAN AIRLINES HIRED SOME
OF THE ALOHA PERSONNEL AS IT
RAMPED UP INTERISLAND SERVICE
PICKING UP LION'S SHARE OF
THAT TRADE.
BETTY WARD PACIFIC AIR CARGO
BOUGHT THE GROUND SERVICES
OPERATION SUPPLYING RAMP AND
TICKET COUNTER SERVICES TO
OTHER AIRLINES.
DIVISION HAS GROWN IN RECENT
MONTHS.
SEATTLE BASED THE OWNER OF
YOUNG BROTHERS BOUGHT THE AIR
CARGO SERVICE.
WHICH MAKES A PROFIT.
MOKULELE SNAPPED UP MORE ALOHA
PEOPLE WHEN IT ADDED THAT JET
SERVICE INCLUDING AT LEAST ONE
STATION CHIEF WHO BASICALLY
HAD RETIRED BUT WAS ITCHING TO
GET BACK IN THE GAME.
NEW SALARY DOESN'T JUSTIFY
THAT, BUT FOR MANY MOKULELE
PLY EMPLOYEES I SPOKE TO, THE
FEELING IS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE
JOBS.
THEY HAVE AN ADVENTURE.
LAUNCHING A NEW AIRLINE IN A
RECESSION, ADVENTURE PRETTY
MUCH COVERS IT.
DAN?
>>DAN: THAT WAS A MIXED
MESSAGE FROM HOWARD.
THAT'S BETTER THAN WE
SOMETIMES GET.
A STATEMENT.
>> EXCUSE ME.
BEFORE WE LEFT, YOU WANTED TO
RESPOND I THINK TO WHAT JUDGE
BRODERICK WAS SAYING ABOUT THE
ADVERSARIAL SYSTEM AND THE
NEED FOR WOMEN TO CENTER
THEMSELVES BEFORE GOING INTO
THIS PROCESS.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT WOMEN DO OR
FAMILIES WHO ARE IN THE
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION DO
FEEL THAT THEY UNDERSTAND
THAT'S OTHER PARTY CAN MAKE A
STATEMENT.
BUT IT'S JUST THAT BY THE TIME
IT GETS TO THE JUDGE, USUAL
BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH ALREADY
FROM THE INTAKE OF THE POLICE
REPORT, AND HAVING TO FILE THE
TRO, EVEN THE INTAKE AND THE
TRO ITSELF IS VERY
TRAUMATIZING.
HERE YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM
PTSD ALSO, POST-TRAUMATIC
STRESS DISORDER BECAUSE OF
WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND
LIVED THROUGH, THEN THE NEXT
STEP WHICH IS REPORTING THE
CRIME.
AND JUST GOING INTERNALIZING
THAT WITH SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT
NOT HAVE BEEN SENSITIVE TO THE
ISSUE OR NOT AWARE OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE IS.
WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY THE
TRUTH WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT WAS
CERTAINLY MY EXPERIENCE
BEFORE.
I AM GLAD TO SAY THAT THAT HAS
CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
BECAUSE MY ABUSER HAD VIOLATED
HIS RESTRAINING ORDER OVER 17
TIMES.
HE WAS REALLY OUT THERE TO
MAKE A STATEMENT AND HE REALLY
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE
STILL HAD THAT POWER AND
CONTROL.
AND FOR A PERSON WHO HAS THAT
TRO, IT IS A PIECE OF PAPER.
AND IT IS UP TO THE PERSON TO
REPORT THAT AND DILIGENTLY
DOCUMENT EVERY PHONE CALL,
EVERY THREAT, EVERYTHING THAT
YOU GO THROUGH.
SO BY THE TIME THAT YOU GET TO
THE JUDGE, AND SAY, LOOK
JUDGE, THIS IS WHAT I'VE GONE
THROUGH. AND TO HAVE TO JUST
FACE YOUR ABUSER, IT'S
DEFINITELY INTIMIDATING.
I COULD SEE THAT AND I COULD
SEE WHY WOMEN OR ANY SURVIVOR
WOULD SAY WHY IS HE EVEN
ALLOWED TO TALK.
WHEN HE HAS VIOLATED CLEARLY,
VIOLATED THAT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
JUDGE IS SAYING, THAT IT IS
THE COURT OF LAW.
YOU HAVE TO BE FAIR IN BOTH
STANDS.
>>DAN: YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH
A LOT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE
COURT OF LAW.
>> MAY I ADD QUICKLY.
THAT IS ALL THE STUFF YOU'RE
DEALING WITH IN THE SYSTEM,
THERE'S ALL OF THESE PRESSURE
FROM YOUR ENVIRONMENT, YOUR
COMMUNITY, YOUR FAMILY, AND I
KNOW IN DIFFERENT CULTURES,
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE NATIVE
HAWAIIANS, THEY DON'T WANT
THEIR COMMUNITY DISRUCHTED.
THEY WANT TO -- DISRUPTED.
THEY WANT TO STAY THERE AND
THEY WANT THE VIOLENCE TO
STOP.
THE SYSTEM IS ASKING THEM TO
COMPLETELY CHANGE THE WAY
THEY'RE LIVING.
FILIPINOS ARE LIKE THAT TOO.
SO MANY PRESSURES GOING ON,
EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE QUITE READY
TO TO YOUR BATTLE WITH THE
SYSTEM, THERE'S ALL OF THIS
COUNTER TO WHAT YOU'RE WANTING
TO DO FOR YOURSELF.
IT'S VERY WESTERN CONCEPT OF
ADDRESSING YOUR PROBLEMS WITH
ALL OF YOUR CAPACITY AND YOUR
ABILITIES, BUT THERE'S ALL OF
THIS.
>>DAN: ISN'T THERE A PROBLEM
IN THE COURT OF RECANTING
ALSO, VERY HIGH INCIDENCE OF
RECANTING OR THE TESTIMONY OF
SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS SOMEONE
PARTNER WAS ABUSING THEM AND
THEN SAYING IN COURT, THEY END
UP RECANTING?
>> IT IS A PROBLEM.
CAN I TALK ABOUT CULTURE?
I HAVE BECOME A TREMENDOUS FAN
OF CULTURALLY BASED PROGRAMS.
LET ME GIVE YOU A CONTEXT
DIFFERENT THAN DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
IF I HAVE SOMEONE IN MY COURT
WHOSE A DRUG ADDICT, AND
THEY'RE HAWAIIAN, I SEND THEM
TO HOOMAU KEOLA, DRUG
TREATMENT PROGRAM IN WAIANAE
WITH A CULTURAL PROGRAM.
THEY GET THEM IN TOUCH WITH
THE OCEAN.
GET THEM IN TOUCH WITH THE
LAND, WITH THEIR LANGUAGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT ON
THE BIG ISLAND, THERE WAS A
CULTURALLY BASED PROGRAM FOR
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
OFFENDERS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS AN HE
ANECDOTALLY IT WAS
SUCCESSFUL.I WOULD ENCOURAGE TH
TREATMENT PROVIDERS TO DEVELOP
CULTURALLY BASED PROGRAMS
WHICH HAVE RELEVANCE AND
MEANING TO THE INDIVIDUAL
GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
>> THAT'S WHAT OUR PROGRAM IS.
>> WE NEED MORE OF THEM.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
IN OUR LINGO, WE CALL IT
COMMUNITY DRIVEN RESPONSES.
AND IF THEY SAY, WHAT WE NEED
TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY, IS
THROUGH EDUCATIONAL
PERFORMANCES, EVEN THOUGH
WE'VE NEVER WENT THAT ROUTE
BEFORE, WE NEED TO LISTEN THEY
ARE ASKING AND HOW THEY LEARN
DV AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
THE DILEMMA FOR US IS TO TRY
TO JUSTIFY TO OUR FUNDERS THAT
WE ARE MAKING HEAD WAY, BUT
THE PROBABLY A LIFETIME
PROCESS.
FUNDING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
>> FUNDING IS EXPEDIENT AND
FISCALLY HARD TO DEMONSTRATE.
WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMITMENT TO
A COMMUNITY AND YOU LIVE AND
CULTIVATE COMMUNITY PRACTICES
AND COMMUNITY BASED PROGRAMS,
IT TAKES, KIND OF LIKE THAT
PREVENTION STUFF AND YOU CAN'T
BE SAYING AT THE END OF THE
YEAR, OKAY, WE'VE CHANGED THE
LIVES OF 4500 PEOPLE.
OR HERE ARE THE NUMBERS.
EITHER WE'RE MAKING AN
INVESTMENT, A COMMITMENT AND
IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE LONG
HAUL, OR WE'RE HAVING
EXPECTATIONS THAT WILL FAIL.
>>DAN: A COMMENT FROM NEAL
DOWNTOWN.
WOMEN SEEM TO HAVE A NATURAL
ADVANTAGE IN COURT CASES
INVOLVING DOMESTIC DISPUTES.
THERE YOU GO.
>> I THINK ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.
WHEN THOSE PEOPLE COME INTO MY
COURT, THEY ARE ON A LEVEL
PLAYING FIELD.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE
ALLEGED VICTIM.
AND I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR AND THEN I
MAKE THE MOST OBJECTIVE FAIR
DECISION I CAN.
I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THAT
INPUT.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
THERE'S A SEGMENT OF THE
COMMUNITY THAT'S VERY MUCH
REFLECTED IN WHAT THAT PERSON
JUST WROTE.
>>DAN: WE HAVE SOME MORE
COMMENT.
MANY MEN ARE BIPOLAR OR SCITS
FREN I CAN.
IF THEY -- SCHIZOPHRENIC.
IF THEY ABUSE YOU BEFORE
MARRIAGE, THIS WILL CONTINUE.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT ONE?
>> I DON'T GET WHAT THE
BIPOLAR AND SCHIZOPHRENIC HAS
TO DO WITH IT.
>> THEY'RE BLAMING MENTAL
ILLNESS.
>> CONTRIBUTING DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE TO MENTAL ILLNESS,
WHICH IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO
MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS, THEY
SAY THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE
MYTHS.
THAT SCHIZOPHRENICS ARE ATE
SCHIZOPHRENICS AUTOMATICALLY VI.
SCHIZOPHRENICS DON'T HAVE
MENTAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROBLEMS ASIDE FROM THE
PROPENSITY TO AGRESS TOWARDS
ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE THEY
FEEL ENTITLED TO DO SO.
>>DAN: I THOUGHT IT
INTERESTING.
OF COURSE, THE DATING PART OF
THAT SERIES, THE BIG ISLAND
YOUNG WOMAN WHO KEPT A
JOURNAL, OBVIOUSLY QUITE
LITERATE AND SENSITIVE WOMAN,
AND HER DESCRIPTION OR THE
DESCRIPTIONS BY HER
GRANDMOTHER OF THE YOUNG MAN,
THERE WAS -- YOU SAW THE SAME
KIND OF ALONENESS OR SORT OF
NEED TO HAVE, POSSESS THE
WOMAN TOTALLY RATHER THAN
ALLOW ANYBODY ELSE, EVEN THE
RELATIVES IN.
>> BUT THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
POSSESSIVENESS AND JEALOUSY
AND ISOLATION IS VERY MUCH A
STRATEGY THAT CREATES HER
DEPENDENCE ON HIM.
HIS CONTROL OVER HER.
HER LACK OF ACCESS TO OTHER
POINTS OF VIEW.
IT SORT OF KEEPS OF SYSTEM IN
TACT.
SO OF COURSE HE DOESN'T WANT
HER HAVING OTHER FRIENDS OR
HAVING OTHER POINTS OF VIEW,
REPRESENTED BECAUSE THEN MAYBE
SHE WILL SEE THAT, YOU KNOW
WHAT, THIS ISN'T WORKING FOR
ME AND I AM GOING TO MAKE A
DIFFERENT CHOICE.
>> BEFORE WE DEPRESS OURSELVES
TOO MUCH, MAYBE IT'S PAST THAT
POINT.
LET ME TELL YOU THAT I DO-
>>DAN: I HAVE A BOTTLE
UNDERNEATH.
>> YOU PEEK FOR YOURSELF.
I DO SEE SUCCESS STORIES.
I ISSUE FIVE YEAR RESTRAINING
ORDER.
ORDER CERTAIN SERVICES WHETHER
IT BE ANGER MANAGEMENT,
PARENTING.
COME BACK IN A YEAR.
THE PERSON HAS GONE THROUGH
ANGER MANAGEMENT AND
PARENTING.
>> BATTERERS INTERVENTION
PROGRAM.
>> I ALLOW THEM TO COMMUNICATE
BY E-MAIL AND PHONE.
COME BACK IN 3 MONTH.
ALLOW THEM TO COMMUNICATE WITH
A THIRD PERSON IN DAYLIGHT.
COME BACK IN 3 MONTHS.
SHE'S READY TO END IT.
HE APPEARS TO ME AFTER A YEAR
AND A HALF TO BE READY TO GO
AND I END IT. SO I WANT
EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN
EVERYTHING WORKS.
>>DAN: RESPONDING?
>> I DO CONSIDER MY STORY AS A
SUCCESS.
HOWEVER, IT TOOK ME ABOUT NINE
AND A HALF YEARS.
AND I WAS AWARDED ABOUT 45
YEARS OF A TRO.
WHICH JUST EXPLAINS HOW SEVERE
THE ABUSE WAS TO THE JUDGE TO
AWARD THAT KIND OF RESTRAINING
ORDER.
AND MY EX-HUSBAND DOES NOT
HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO MY CHILD.
HE CANNOT CONTACT MY CHILD.
AND HE CANNOT HAVE ANY CONTACT
WITH ME AS WELL.
BUT THEN AGAIN, I STILL HAVE
TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE
PROCESS OF PROTECTING MY
ADDRESS, AND GOING THROUGH
THAT, AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN,
LIKE WHAT I SAID, 17 TIMES,
VIOLATIONS WITH THE
RESTRAINING ORDER REALLY CAN
BRING SOMEBODY DOWN AND IT'S
TIRING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE
DILIGENT WITH THAT BECAUSE IF
YOU DON'T REPORT IT, THEN YOU
CAN -- THE ABUSER CAN GO AND
TELL THE COURT THAT, WELL, IT
DOESN'T BOTHER HER THAT I'M
CALLING HER.
YOU HAVE TO REALLY A POINT TO
FIND OUT WHAT IS YOUR FOCUS
AND IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.
WHEN AN ABUSER MAKES A POINT
OF POWER AND CONTROL, THEN THE
SURVIVOR MUST AND ALWAYS HAVE
IN THEIR MINDS ABOUT SAFETY
FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR THEIR
LOVED ONES.
>>DAN: WHY DOESN'T THE POLICE
ENFORCE TEMPORARY RESTRAINING
ORDERS ON THE BIG UNDERSTOOD
AND ENFORCE THE LAW IF SOMEONE
IS THREATENED?
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
ENFORCEMENT?
IS THERE A PROBLEM?
>> YES.
SOMETIMES.
>>DAN: YOU WOULD SAY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY.
ROB PEREZ COVERED THAT QUITE
INTENSELY IN THE SERIES AND HE
MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT JUST
MY STORY THAT HE COVERED THAT,
BECAUSE IF A PERSON GOES OUT
OF THE STATE, LIKE THEY GO TO
THE MAINLAND AND WHATNOT, THEY
CAN CALL YOU, HARASS YOU,
THREATEN YOU, AND THEIR
SEND THEIR FRIENDS OVER TO YOUR
HOUSE AND YOU GO AND REPORT
AND SAY, THIS PERSON VIOLATED
THE RESTRAINING ORDER AND THE
FIRST THING THAT THE POLICE
WILL ASK IS DO YOU KNOW WHERE
HE LIVES.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE'S LOCATE
AND WHATNOT. AND IF YOU HAVE
NO ANSWER TO THAT, THEN IT'S
GOING TO BE HARDER TO ENFORCE
THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY THAT'S
WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.
THEY COULDN'T FIND THE
PERPETRATOR OF THE CRIME AND
SO THE JUST GOING TO STAY WITH
THE DA'S OFFICE.
>>DAN: THE ECONOMIC
CONSEQUENCES OF LEAVING A
FINANCIALLY SUPPORTIVE ABUSIVE
SPOUSE PREVENTS VICTIMS FROM
SEPARATING.
COMMENT FROM BONNIE IN KAILUA.
I THINK YOU ALREADY MENTIONED
THAT THE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
PLAY, THAT'S.
>> ALIGNING WITH YOUR ABUSER.
>>DAN: PLAY A ROLE IN DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE?
>> YES.
CERTAINLY.
MORE THAN ONE REASON.
SURVIVE VIEFL.
-- SURVIVAL.
>>DAN: THE NOT UNUSUAL --
>> ONE THING.
FOR SURVIVAL, THAT'S THE SAME
REASON MANY, MANY, MANY
VICTIMS WILL RECANT.
IT'S A SURVIVAL STRATEGY.
IF THE SYSTEM HASN'T PROTECTED
THEM IN THE PAST, FOR WHATEVER
REASON, IT'S HARD TO RELY ONTO
SYSTEM, THE NEXT TIME AND IT'S
JUST SORT OF EASIER FOR ME TO
NOT MAKE WAVES, NOT TAKE ANY
CHANCES, AND HOLD ON TO THE
HOPE THAT I HAVE THAT THIS
NEXT PROMISE WILL BE A GOOD
ONE.
>> INTERJECT SOMETHING WITH
THAT.
ALSO AN ABUSER THAT YOU
ALREADY ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
YOU ALREADY KNOW THE TRICK OF
THE TRADE AND YOU KNOW WHAT
IRKS THIS PERSON AND WHAT ARE
THE CERTAIN BUTTONS AND
TRIGGERS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT
PUSH.
SO YOUR CHANCE OF SURVIVING
THAT ABUSER COMPARED TO A
SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE NOT USED TO
IS HIGHER.
SO THAT IF YOU ARE WITH AN
UNFAMILIAR SYSTEM, THAT IS NOT
HELPING YOU GET OUT OF THAT
SITUATION, YOU WILL TEND TO
STAY WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU
KNOW HOW TO ADAPT TO ALREADY.
>>DAN: YOU ARE CONVINCING ME
THIS IS A MORE TANGLED WEB
THAN I REALIZED.
>> IT'S VERY COMPLEX.
LET ME ADD TO THE COMPLEXITY
BY USING THE WORD LOVE.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN I HEAR A
WOMAN TO SAY TO ME.
I WANT YOU TO END IT TODAY AND
I SAY, IT HE WILL ME WHY.
BECAUSE -- TELL ME WHY.
BECAUSE I LOVE HIM.
AND I SAY, I HAVE NO DOUBT
THAT YOU STILL LOVE HIM.
I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THAT
TODAY.
I'M CONCERNED WITH WHETHER
YOU'RE GOING TO BE SAFE.
BUT IN THEIR MIND, BECAUSE
THEY LOVE THEM, THEY WANT ME
TO END IT.
ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S COMPLEX.
>> SURE IT IS.
>> ANYBODY --
>>DAN: I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY
TO THE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS.
COME ON.
I GOT ABOUT 3 MINUTE.
>> GO AHEAD.
>>DAN: FOR MICHAEL.
VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
MY HUSBAND DID NOT SPEND ONE
NIGHT IN JAIL AND WAS
DIAGNOSED BIPOLAR.
THERE SHOULD BE STRICTER
PENALTIES.
ROSIE SAYS.
WELL, I'M SORRY THAT ROSY HAD
THAT EXPERIENCE.
I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT HER
PERSONAL CASE.
>>DAN: TEACHERS ARE THE FIRST
TO RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEM.
WHY ISN'T THE D.O.E.
NETWORKING DOING MORE TO HELP?
DOES THE D.O.E. WORK ON THIS?
>> OUR TINA LERT PROGRAM WORKS
WITH -- TEEN ALERT PROGRAM
WORKS WITH D.O.E. AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE.
WE DO EDUCATE HIGH SCHOOLS AND
COLLEGES.
>> IT'S ALSO UP TO THE PERSON
WHOSE HOLDING THE TRO TO
EDUCATE THE SCHOOL, THE
TEACHERS, TO LET THEM BE AWARE
THAT THIS PERSON IS NOT
SUPPOSED TO BE A AROUND THE
CHILDREN BECAUSE UNLESS YOU
MAKE THAT EFFORT, THEY WILL
NOT ENFORCE IT BECAUSE THEY
HAVE NOTHING TO ENFORCE IT
WITH.
>>DAN: WE HAVE A -- I'M GOING
THROUGH A DIVORCE AND WE'RE
LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSE
MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL PAIN
AGAINST A PERSON CAN BE JUST
AS DAMAGING AS PHYSICAL
VIOLENCE.
IN JAPANESE CULTURE, ONE CAN
LIVE WITH SHAME.
HOW DO I DEAL WITH IT?
>> WE HAVE-
>>DAN: I THINK THIS WOMAN IS
JAPANESE.
I GET THAT IMPRESSION.
>> THROUGH THE LOVE AND
SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE AROUND
HER.
>>DAN: WHAT IF HER CLOSEST
CONTACTS ARE JAPANESE?
>> AND SHE'S GOT --
>> SORT OF BACKTRACK.
COMMUNITY CULTURAL NORMS,
WHICH PREVENT PEOPLE FROM
GETTING FREE AND SAFE, AND IF
IT'S POSSIBLE, SHE COULD
CERTAINLY CALL US AND WE'D BE
HAPPY TO HELP HER SORT THIS
OUT.
AND FIND SOME ALLIANCES THAT
WOULD MAYBE FEEL SUPPORTIVE
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE REAL
FACTORS THAT ARE KEEPING
PEOPLE IN SITUATIONS THAT ARE
HARMFUL.
>> I HAVE A MESSAGE FOR THAT
WOMAN.
BECAUSE I HAD TO LIVE WITH
THAT BEING A PERSON OF --
WOMAN OF COLOR AND BEING A
FILIPINO WOMAN AS WELL, THAT
IT'S A ABOUT AT THE END OF THE
DAY, THE ABOUT YOURSELF WORTH.
IT'S ABOUT, MORE SHAMEFUL TO
LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT THE
PERSON WHO IS SUPPOSED TO LOVE
YOU IS BEATING DOWN ON YOU,
WHO IS ABUSING YOU EE
POATIONALLY AND -- EMOTIONALLY
AND STRIPPING YOU DOWN WHO YOU
ARE AS A PERSON.
YOU MUST STAND UP AND SAY TO
YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE WORTH
IT, THAT YOU'RE WORTH TO BE
SAFE.
>>DAN: OUR VIEWERS NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THAT UNDER LOT,
EXTREME PSYCHOLOGICAL VIOLENCE
CONSTITUTES DOMESTIC ABUSE AND
WHAT THERAPISTS SAY IS THAT
THAT ACTUALLY CAN BE MORE
DAMAGING IN THE LONG TERM THAN
PHYSICAL ABUSE.
>> SOME WOMEN WOULD RATHER,
EVEN JUST SAY, I MET SO MANY
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVOR, AT
SOME POINT IN TIME, THEY SAID,
WHY DON'T YOU JUST HIT ME
ALREADY.
BECAUSE AFTER THE HITTING,
THEN HE WOULD BE SORRY AND HE
WOULD CALM DOWN AND FINALLY
SHE WOULD HAVE SOME PEACE.
BUT IT'S THE ANTICIPATION,
WHEN IT BUILDS UP TO THAT
POINT THAT HE'S GETTING
ANGRIER AND ANGRIER AND THEN
IT HITS.
>> WE'VE GOT ENA LOT OF
FEEDBACK OVER THE YEARS.
WE MAKE A LOT OF PUBLIC
APPEARANCES AND TRY TO HELP
THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND WHAT
IS THIS PROBLEM OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AND WHATNOT.
WOMEN APPROACH ME AND SAY YOU
FOLKS ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE
PHYSICAL VIOLENCE BUT YOU
DON'T TALK ABOUT THE VERBAL
ABUSE AND PSYCHOLOGICAL
VIOLENCE AND WE WOULD
APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD HELP
THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT
THIS TOO IS BREAKING MY HEART.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO REACH OUT
TO THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US
REMOVE THAT STIGMA OF SHAME.
IT'S ACROSS CULTURES, BUT THE
SHAME IS DIFFERENT IN
DIFFERENT CULTURES.
FOR US, IT'S WISHING FOR
EVERYONE.
NOT JUST FOR THE SELF.
I THINK IT'S OKAY TO BE HONEST
WITH THE WOMEN WHOSE FEELING
ASHAMED THAT JAPANESE PERSON
WHO SAID, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH
IT, WELL, WE CAN'T QUITE DEAL
WITH THAT.
IF THAT IS PART OF YOUR
CULTURE.
BUT WE CAN KEEP EDUCATING HER
ABOUT, WELL, HERE ARE YOUR
OPTIONS AND IT IS A TRADEOFF
IN THE BEGINNING. AND IN
FACT, YOU CAN HELP US PERHAPS
BY LOOKING, STARTING TO LOOK
AT ALLIES.
WHAT WE HAVE REALLY
SUCCESSFULLY DONE IN THE
FILIPINO COMMUNITY IS, OR
COMMUNITY LEADERS ARE STARTING
TO SPEAK UP.
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEIR
WORDS ARE POWERFUL. AND TO
SAY, THIS IS NOT OKAY.
AND BY THE WAY, IT'S ACTUALLY
SHAMEFUL IF OUR CULTURE IS
STARTING TO BE KNOWN AS THIS
COMMUNITY.
>>DAN: A VIEWER WANTS TO KNOW,
WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT
WE CITIZENS CAN SUPPORT WITH
THE EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE
BRANCHES TO DEAL WITH DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE?
>> THAT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL
QUESTION.
>> I HAVE ONE.
BETTER PROTECTION FOR THE
IDENTITY AND ADDRESSES AND
CONTACT INFORMATION OF THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE FILING FOR THE
TROS BECAUSE NOWADAYS, WITH
INTERNET AIDS, YOU COULD JUST
TYPE UP, OR GOOGLE SOMEBODY'S
NAME AND YOU KNOW WHERE THEY
WORK.
IT EVEN HAS AN AERIAL VIEW OF
YOUR HOUSE AND PRETTY MUCH
CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHERE YOU
CAN GO AND FIND THE PERSON.
PERSON..
BACK TO REPRESENTATIVE SAY'S
COMMITMENT TO THE SAFETY NET
AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICE.
IF WE HAD EVERYBODY IN OUR
COMMUNITY GET IN TOUCH WITH
COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR SENATOR
AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AND
SAY, THIS IS HAS MEANING FOR
OUR COMMUNITY AND IF WE PLANT
THE SEEDS IN OUR FAMILIES AND
ABIDE BY THE VALUES THAT WE
ALL SAY, OUR ALOHA AND OHANA,
PLEASE SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY'S
PROGRAMS TO HELP FAMILIES.
THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE
DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, THAT'S POLITICAL
CAPITAL.
WHAT WE NEED.
>> MORE ON THE PREVENTIVE
MEASURES A AS WELL BEFORE IT
HAPPENS.
EDUCATIONAL PART OF IT.
>>DAN: MAIGY IN CENTRAL OAHU
SAID WHAT SHOULD THE STATE DO
TO PROVIDE EDUCATION FOR HIGH
SCHOOL STUDENTS ABOUT DOMESTIC
DISPUTES.
YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM IN
THE SCHOOLS FOR TEENAGERS.
WHAT ABOUT THE AGE OF NO CHILD
LEFT BEHIND WHERE ALL WE'RE
SUPPOSED TO TEACH ARE CERTAIN
THINGS.
WHERE DO YOU GET THE PART
WHERE YOU TEACH PEOPLE HOW
TO --
>> IT SHOULD BE INTEGRATED
INTO EVERY PART OF THE
CURRICULUM.
THE NOT A SEPARATE THING.
CHARACTER BUILDING.
IT'S HEALTH.
SOCIAL SKILLS.
>> HIGHEL SCHOOL IS WAY TOO
LATE.
YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT 7TH,
8th GRADE.
>> YOU TEACH SHIRD GRADERS AND
HIGH SCHOOL SOMETHING ELSE.
WE'VE GOT TO BE TEACHING
EVERYBODY AND REINFORCING IT
AND GET THE WIE-IN OF OUR
ADMINISTRATORS AND SCHOOL
PRINCIPALS AND PEOPLE AT THE
TOP.
BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO
ARE RESPONDING TO REQUESTS BY
PARENTS WHO ARE GETTING TROS
AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE
THE TEENAGERS WHERE ONE OF
THEM HAS A TRO AGAINST THE
OTHER.
AND THEY'RE NOT MAKING
ALLOWANCES FOR THE VICTIM.
>> BY THE WAY, WHEN THE MOTHER
OR THE FATHER FILES ON BEHALF
OF THEIR 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER,
I ALWAYS THANK THEM AND TELL
THEM THEY HAD COURAGE AND THEY
DID THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE
NOT ALL PARENTS HAVE THE
COURAGE TO FILE THAT TRO ON
BEHALF OF THEIR DAUGHTER.
>> JUDGE BRODERICK BECAUSE I
THINK THIS IS AN INTERESTING
QUESTION, YOU GET THE LAST
THING.
YOU'VE GOT 15 SECONDS.
CAN A JUDGE DO IT IN 15
SECONDS.
WITH A HE SAID, SHE SAID CASE,
NO EVIDENCE, HOW WOULD JUDGE
BRODERICK RULE INVOLVING AN
ISSUING A TRO?
NO EVIDENCE, NO PICTURES.
>> I'M JUDGING CREDIBILITY ALL
THE TIME.
MAKING ASSESSMENT ON WHOSE
TELLING ME THE TRUTH.
>>DAN: SO THAT'S INSTINCT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>>DAN: YOU TALKED ABOUT IN
THAT SERIES ABOUT TOXICITY OF
YOUR COURTROOM.
THAT MUST BE SOMETHING TO DEAL
WITH DAYS A WEEK.
TNCHT IS.
BUT IT'S ALSO -- I WANT TO YOU
UNDERSTAND.
THERE'S A GRATIFYING PART TO
MY JOB.
THERE'S A FULFILLING PART TO
MY JOB.
BECAUSE I DO SEE PEOPLE
CHANGE.
>>DAN: I'M NOT GOING TO
BELIEVE YOU BECAUSE WE'VE GT
TO DO.
SURE YOU DO.
>> YOU DON'T SEE A DIFFERENCE
OF EVERY LIFE IN YOUR
COURTROOM.
YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING FOR
HER.
>>DAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
JOIN US NEXT WEEK FOR WHO'S *R
WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
THAT'S OUR SHOW.
CURRENT ECONOMIC CRISIS HAS
LED TO A SCRUM OF IDEAS ON HOW
TO SOLVE OUR STATE'S BUDGET
SHORTFALL.
WE WILL DELVE INTO THE PROS
AND CONS OF LEGALIZED GAMBLING
AND DIVERSION OF THE RAIL
TRANSIT TAX INTO THE STATE'S
COFFERS.
THAT'S NEXT TIME ON "INSIGHTS"
ON PBS HAWAI'I.
I'M DAN BOYLAN.
A HUI HO!
A HUI HO
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