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David Pakman: www.WeCanKnow.com is predicting that May 21, 2011 is Judgment Day. Joining
us is spokesperson Allison Warden. Allison, thanks for joining us. Where did you first
hear about May 21st as Judgment Day?
Allison Warden: Well, I, personally, first heard about it several years ago, I believe
it was in 2002. I was living in Ohio at the time, and I heard about it on a local family
radio station. It was sort of the first place I'd ever been introduced to the idea of the
End of the Church Age or that Christ was returning in the year 2011.
David: And is this Harold Camping?
Warden: Yes.
David: So tell me about Harold Camping. He came up with this idea that May-- what will
happen on May 21st, 2011, which is just a couple weeks away?
Warden: Correct. Well, I'll answer the first question first, it isn't just Mr. Camping
that's teaching this. There are-- the purpose of our website is to show several other Bible
ministries that are also teaching the same thing. But Mr. Camping., although not a theologian
by trade, he is the host of an open-forum like Bible program for several decades, so
a lot of people that sort of went to the Bible to investigate this, a lot of them first become
familiar with it because of him. But as far as the actual where did the date come from...
David: Yeah.
Warden: ... or what's going to happen, is it comes straight from scripture, no external
force like a dream or a vision or anything like that. And basically, what the Bible says
is going to occur on May 21st is that there will be a worldwide earthquake that will open
the graves, all of the people that have been saved through history, their bodies are going
to be glorified and resurrected.
David: Good.
Warden: Believers on Earth now will be called up to be with the Lord; a lot of people call
that the Rapture. And basically, anyone here after May 21st will enter a five-month period
of judgment where salvation is not possible. So basically, God is saving a great multitude
until May 21st, but after that date, salvation won't be possible.
David: So tell me where in the Bible does it say this? I'm no Bible expert, but literally,
I mean, it says... what you just said to me is in the Bible is what you're saying?
Warden: Yes. Yes, and it doesn't say, obviously, it doesn't explicitly say on May 21st.
David: Oh, OK.
Warden: We're working off of, you know, our modern-day calendar.
David: Right.
Warden: And in the Bible, they, you know, they had the Hebrew calendar, you know, and
prior to that, like with Noah, for example, he entered the Ark on the 17th day of the
second month. Now, that was using, I believe, you know, the moon phases, so...
David: Right, and as we know from Bill O'Reilly, tides go in, tides go out, we don't know what's
going on, the moon... Now, let me ask you this. In '94, didn't Harold Campign say Jesus
would be back on September 6th, and he actually published this in his book "1994?", and it
just never happened? So can we really trust Harold Camping?
Warden: Well, you know, I actually have a used copy of "1994?" sitting on my... to answer
the question of another reporter, sitting on my desk right now, but it says 1994, question
mark. And when you go through this, and I kind of, you know, my family bought the book
because we wanted to read... this is what, you know, a relative of ours said, we're like
OK, well, well, what's the deal with this?
David: Yeah.
Warden: So we bought a used copy, and he literally does actually have a supposition in here where
he's asking is it 1994, or is it 2011? And so when you go through here, his introduction
to the book actually begins with this is a very large Bible study, I'm publishing it
because I want to know if other people think that-- is 1994 a valid year, or is it possibly
2011? And you know, it's actually quite exhaustive, but he wasn't actually definitive. It was
a question. And so...
David: Gotcha, gotcha.
Warden: So it's, you know, I think unless... a lot of people, unless they see that in black
and white for themselves, they kind of, you know, get the wrong impression of what was
in that particular publication.
David: So run me back again, according to the research I've done, Camping says people
not taken to Heaven by Jesus on May 21st will, like you said, stay on Earth, and then they
will be... it'll be until October 21st, and then the entire Earth will be destroyed? I
mean, in other words, the big earthquake on May 21st, isn't it just going to be chance
whether you survive or not?
Warden: Well, I mean, in a sense, because obviously, God says in the Bible that all
the hairs on our head are numbered.
David: Right.
Warden: So if someone, you know, dies in that earthquake when the graves are opened, you
know, whether they were, you know, saved or unsaved or something like that, you know,
truthfully, anyone that survives that particular event, you know, entering that five-month
period of judgment, it's obviously... the Bible describes it as weeping and gnashing
of teeth. It's going to be an extremely devastating realization to know that the Bible was true,
God was real...
David: Yeah.
Warden: Salvation isn't possible, and essentially, sort of like in Noah's day with the flood
where, you know, you have 40 days of rain, the water didn't, you know, people didn't
drown face-first...
David: No, no, I follow that part, but I really... I mean, my big thing... like, what will happen
to you, personally, on May 21st?
Warden: Well, I have evidence in the Bible that, you know, I'm going to be called up
to be with the Lord. You know, I do believe that I'm a saved person, if I'm here on May
22nd, that obviously means that I was not elect of God, so obviously...
David: And then what will you... what will you do? I mean, that will be upsetting, I
presume.
Warden: I... yes. I was going to say, I'm assuming that, you know, I will react the
same way that God says that everyone will react, which is weeping and gnashing of teeth,
so I'm sure there will be sorrow, I'm sure there will be anger.
David: So May-- I want to be clear here, Allison, and of course, the website is www.WeCanKnow.com,
if you're still here on May 22nd, you will know that you have not been chosen, is it
to go to Heaven? And you will be, as a result, very upset. But you're not expecting to be
here with us on May 22nd?
Warden: No.
David: OK. And are you making any preparations for the big day?
Warden: You know, other than, you know, just sort of trying to make sure that, you know...
Personally, it's kind of funny, because people say well, what are you doing? I'm like, well,
you know, you kind of have to carry on a little bit with your regular routines and daily,
you know...
David: Of course, yeah.
Warden: ... all the things that you have to do, but you know, I am obviously, and a lot
of the people I know, are allocating a lot more time to trying to spread this gospel
and, you know, get people into their Bible looking into it.
David: Yeah, well, we need people to be ready. But I mean, are you still like... are you
still going to the gym, you know, are you-- are you not eating fried foods? Because it's
like, if May 21st is it, you know, maybe have the fried chicken, I don't know.
Warden: Well, you know, I... I never was much of a workout person before that, so...
David: Oh, I understand.
Warden: But... you know, but there are some things, you know, personal hobbies, things
like that, that I kind of have let go in order to allocate more time to this, just because,
you know, obviously, everyone, they're going to, you know, prioritize what's most important.
And when you really begin to look at the Bible, and you look at Ezequiel 33 and God says,
you know, that if you don't warn the people when you're... you know, and share this judgment
or this gospel information with them, their blood's on your hands.
David: No, you have to warn them. Now, will this... is there a possibility that Jews like
myself or Muslims or gay people, could they be picked on the 21st to go to Heaven, or
are we basically all in rough shape?
Warden: Well, the truth is is that God can save anyone.
David: OK, good.
Warden: I mean, people that were going... attending Christian church that... when they...
when you talk to them about this, they say well, you know, well...
David: You've got a better shot.
Warden: I don't want... if-- yeah, if this is true, I don't... I don't... I reject God.
I'm like well, here's the thing, is you can't accept God, but you can't reject him either.
He, you know, if he's going to save you, there's nothing you can do to stop him.
David: Right. You know, Allison, I'll be honest, I think that this is complete insanity. I'm
concerned for you and everybody that's buying into this. I'm actually worried that you're
planning like a cult-style suicide on May 21st, or maybe...
Warden: No, no... now, let me ask you, David...
David: Hold on a second... or maybe 22nd, if you aren't chosen. I'm actually worried,
do we need authorities involved here? I mean, be... please, be honest, is there a cult suicide?
Warden: Well, I mean... well, here's the thing: you've talked to me for, I mean, what, five
minutes? Do I sound like I'm completely unhinged, or do I sound like a fairly rational person
but you don't-- perhaps don't agree with that this is what the Bible's saying? I mean...
David: Well, the content of it, to me...
Warden: God says... we don't ignore parts of the Bible in order to believe in other
parts. Now, God says thou shalt not kill, whether that's yourself or someone else. Why
someone would say oh, I believe the Bible so much that I would harm myself, I don't
really see that that is verifiable in Scripture anywhere.
David: So you're saying there... we... I don't need to worry, and nobody who hears this needs
to worry that what is actually going to happen on the 21st, 22nd is a cult suicide of any
Warden: No, because...
David: OK.
Warden: ... in a cult, you'd have to be being told what to do, for one, and for... instead
of, you know, independently going oh, well, this is, you know, you're... no one ever said--
well, I don't know, maybe people do say that Christians are overall a cult, but, you know,
in the past, but...
David: Well, people say a lot of things.
Warden: Yeah, they do. They say a lot of things. I wouldn't classify it that way.
Warden: I mean, when you meet these people, like my own family, they don't believe me
to be insane, they don't think I need, you know, to have any kind of intervention by
authorities.
David: Yeah.
Warden: They simply just do not see what the Scriptures are saying.
David: OK.
Warden: And the truth is, that's because God says that, you know, just like Paul, he was
blind, and so...
David: Not everybody will see it, yeah. So last thing, real quick, would you be interested
in doing an interview? Our first show after the 21st will be May 23rd. Can we set something
up for that day, I mean, and just see, check in and see... I mean, I know you probably
won't be here, but just in case, I would love to follow up.
Warden: Well, you know, if I am here, I think that the... probably that would be the least
of my worries, but you know, I've kind of made a precedent before I started doing interviews
not to book anything after the 21st, so I'm not...
David: I think that makes sense. OK, good. Well, let's... I look forward to following
up with you. Allison Warden, the website is www.WeCanKnow.com. You know, I hope that you
make it on the 21st, in whichever way you want, you know, let's just... we'll check
in after that, I think is fair to say.
Warden: All right, David, well, I appreciate the time on your show.
David: OK, thank you. Bye-bye.
Warden: Thank you, bye-bye.
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