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Max Simon: Hi there, I'm Max Simon,
the founder of Big Vision Business
and if you've been following us
for a little while you've been
probably aware that there's some really
significant changes happening
behind the scenes here.
Jeffrey Van Dyk's the new CEO.
I'm focusing most of my energy on
building Skybrite and we are really
adjusting the frequency and the messaging
and what we're up to here at
Big Vision Business.
And it's all under this context
in this umbrella of answering a bigger call
of what it means to see a vision
of what you want
to create in the world.
Know that it's for you.
See and feel how big it is
and go on the journey
of actually moving towards it.
And the purpose of this video
and subsequent videos is
to bring you along the journey with us.
You see, I think a lot of times
you often see something when it's all finished
and complete and always wonder,
"How did they do that?
How did they get from
where I am to where they are?"
and instead of having you wonder that
in our dialogue which is going to
kind of bring you along.
So in today, I'm going to be talking
with Jeffrey about how we at
Big Vision business are answering this call.
What's the process we're going through?
How do you do it?
And what are some of the most
important things that you need to know now
in order to keep moving forward?
So Jeffrey, what would you consider
a higher calling to be
and what's your higher calling
in this kind of new period?
Jeffrey Van Dyk: A higher calling to me
is something that you wake up to.
It is something that you know.
My experience in talking with so many people
is that when you're called, you're called.
You might not necessarily know what it is,
you might have a sense of
what it is or a vision
but deep down underneath the fear
and underneath the doubts
and underneath all the story,
you feel this deep underline knowing that
"Wow I'm called." And a calling,
a part from a vision
is something you receive, right? You're called.
There is something that
almost as outside of you,
whether you call it your tribe
or this universe or God
or the collective need of
our planet sends out a call.
Sends out the frequency and
for some reason you receive it.
And I would say that the
reason you receive it is
that you are the person that has
the makeup that can answer it.
And if you didn't, you wouldn't hear it.
You wouldn't have the mechanism
or the vehicle to have like the,
to be dialed into that frequency, right?
But that each calling has its own frequency
and you because of your makeup can hear
certain wants and you go
"Woo I got it. And I'm called."
And it's this sense that there is
something for you to contribute in the world.
Some way you are meant
having impact in this world
and there's all sorts of
callings but my experience,
especially this time is most of the people
I'm talking to when they
really know they're called,
it's the sense of something
much larger than them.
You might call a global calling.
It might be a more local calling
but still it's something
more substantial than just
like me doing my thing in the world.
It's oh I am meant to contribute
to a larger unfolding of something happening
in this planet at this time and
I'm called to do it in my way.
In my field and certainly for some
of many other people that we serve,
we're doing it through the lens of business.
That is the vehicle we're using
to answer the call.
Max: And so I think everybody
can probably relate with this feeling of like
I'm supposed to be doing something bigger
but I think most people would also
say I don't know what
that's supposed to be.
Jeffrey: Yeah.
Max : You think that's true?
Jeffrey: For some people, yeah,
I do think it's true for some people.
Not as many people would say that though.
I think so many people that say,
I don't really know what it is
when you really draw,
like dial in with them they can
tell you at least bits and pieces.
It might be kind of like
a picture out there,
kind of in a mirage,
it might be a little fuzzy
or a little foggy but there's still
a picture of some sort and when you
really sort of like dial in with them
they can give you a sense of it,
right? Here's what I think it is.
It's kind of like this.
Some people have a very clear picture
that often scares the bejesus out of them
but you know, a lot of people
have a of sense of it.
Now some people that sense is
just an internal feeling sense.
I have this gut knowing,
I don't have a picture,
I don't like have a vision
of what it is but
I have a gut knowing.
Other people have a gut knowing
and a little kind of fuzzy picture
and then some people have a gut knowing
and a very clear like
I received this vision
but I have no idea how to
get from here to there.
Max: You know I think
you're right there.
When you drill down with people
a lot of times it's clearer than they
want to admit to themselves.
You know like if you're saying
what do you really want to do?
There's that sense of
what I've really want to do is this.
Jeffrey : Right.
Max: Right. And I don't think it's actually
nearly as far off as what people
would say it is if you're just to
ask them plainly but why is it then
when you think even if most people
can drill down into something fairly,
quickly that there still feels like such
a massive gap between this thing
that they want to see happen
in the world and where they are.
Jeffrey: I think there are a lot
of reasons for it actually.
Let me start here,
my experience is that when people
receive one of this what I call a
"next level calling" or a global calling is
that we are on the cutting edge of humanity.
We're the people translating some
form of new consciousness
into reality through our businesses.
And so it doesn't look like
what other people are doing.
It doesn't look tried and through
and because of that there's
all sorts of concerns that popup.
Will it work? Will people respond to this?
Will they think I'm crazy?
Will I make any money at it?
Will I be able to sustain my life,
my family's life with this, right?
And that's the sort of stuff of it.
Its there's lots and lots of questions
that the ego begins to ask
not because the ego's bad
but because the ego is doing its job
which is to keep us safe, right?
And looking out for things
that might go wrong and frankly,
when you're answering a bigger call,
there's a lot of unknowns
especially when it first comes to being.
I'll give you an example.
I was doing this medication
not long ago actually
and saw in this medication clear is
day myself in this rooms full of
these people answering this
bigger calls anointing them
and having them anoint one another
and you know in a business context
it seems so out there.
So like, "Okay that's great.
Let's all come together and anoint one another.
I mean, awesome." And so it's like
what the hell does that mean?
You know, and when I tune in to
what that means for me
it's an activation principle that we
collectively are activating one another
and that nobody else
can do that for us except one another
because the rest of the world
isn't answering this call.
We're the ones doing it.
So that's an example for me
of a part of a vision that
on a surface seems so weird,
frankly and yet energetically feels so true.
And then the question is "Great,
do I put on an event where
I'm like let's anoint one another?"
and of course the answer is no, right?
That's not how you would market
something like that but can I see
an event where we're really deeply
in a process of tuning in to
what the calling is, answering it,
and then having our fellow people
on this path activating us
and anointing the path, yes as I can.
Now, would that necessarily
be in the sales page? Probably not.
But would it provide amazing value
in an actual experience?
Absolutely. So, there's also a whole
translation issue that comes into place
and that so often the visions
don't translate directly into a business
or into a service that we feel like
we could sell or talk about directly
and there definitely is a
translation process that has to happen.
Max: So, how would you describe them
the translation of what this looks like
for you inside of your next level calling
and what you're feeling called to bring forward?
Jeffrey: The vision that I
continually get is
of gathering what I would now call
the "one percenters."
Those people that are receiving these callings
and what I know is that
when you receive one, it's not easy.
And at first oftentimes it's confusing, right?
Because it starts to come in
and you're wondering what is this
and what does this mean?
And then your ego starts to defend
against it because it's really going to
shake up your life for the most part.
And then when you start to discern
what it is and answer it,
that process can be very challenging
to really figure out what it is
and what it means and how to
make sense of it and then
translating that into a business vision
and then creating business plan
and actually bring it to market
and making money from it,
that whole cycle takes some doing.
And I know that part of my role
in this whole experience is to be
a resource for this tribe.
Be a resource to help them discern
what it is and answer the call
and activate and understand how to
work with your fears and how to
become the person that can more
and more and more and more
fully answer that call.
And you know, for me,
the biggest challenge is laying claim
to that on some level.
A friend of mine as
I was talking about this one said
"Oh so that when you mean that
you're the one percent of the one percenters."
And there is this part of my own
psyche and my own ego that doesn't
get sort of like grandiose about it.
For me, it doesn't go into like
"Oh, yes. I'm that guy," right?
It goes more into the
"Wow okay that's a lot of responsibility.
And can I handle that?"
It goes into can I really stand
on stage and be this? And claim this?
And call this people forth
truthfully and honestly
but also really powerfully?
And my own process of
really coming to grips with
"Yeah, I am that person.
I am the one to do that."
It's not been easy and fortunately
I have really great people in my life
and you know there's times
when I've called up
you just in tears going like,
wow it feels like way too much.
It feels too heavy.
And my old pattern was to do it
all on my own so of course
it feels too heavy, right?
Because part of this is going like
it is bigger than me.
I can't do it alone.
I'm not meant to.
And one of the great benefits
of course is having people like you
in my life and having other colleagues
and friends in my life that hold me
and to see me honestly and clearly
and I even have people in my life
that when I really said,
"Okay I'm going to answer this call."
One of my fears was
it would go to my head
and I would have a big inflating ego
and I would get up
on the top of the mountain
and be all alone and have it crumble
and have nothing and no one.
And to part of the thing
I put in place to guard against that
was my spiritual teacher
and a few of my dear friends
that I said to them when I said
"Okay I'm going to answer the call."
You need to be one of my people
that really watches and makes sure
I stay on the path.
And that if I get off the path,
if I start to go too much
to one side to the other
or if I start to get inflated
in my ego that you call me
on it and that you bring me
back into my heart.
Because really that is escaping the heart
and I know that this work
and this call is about activating
my own heart more fully
and activating the hearts of the people
that are meant to activate
the hearts around this world. So...
Max: You know, one of the things
that we were talking about earlier
was how in this particular world
of thought leadership, you could call it,
where people are kind of
making a name for themselves
in sharing message and in sharing voices.
It's super easy to look at the way
other people have done it
and especially the successful people
and just one put them on
this massive pedestal.
Here they have all figured out.
They clearly have this all dialed in
and then here I am you know,
just this little peasley thing
trying to get it all to happen.
You know?
Jeffrey: Right. Yeah.
Max : And one of the things
we've talked about is
how much more important it is
to illuminate the actual path, you know.
The actual truth of not only
what it takes in how to get there
but that it's not always so glamorous
and pristine if you will
and that represents that presentation,
it usually represents one percent
of the ninety nine percent
of what's actually happening.
Jeffrey: Yeah.
Max: And so how would you speak
to more of the truth of what happens
as people hear the call and clarifying it.
I think even such a big part
of this is just the clarification piece.
Like how do I get to where
it seems like what they have
which is so clear?
I mean that's not the question,
is it really that clear for them?
For all of this people?
You know, so speak to that journey.
Jeffrey: Alright. Well,
first let me speak to
the last part there,
is it really always so clear?
My experience is that we do reach plateaus,
right? We go through these cycles
where something new starts to emerge.
You think about winter, spring, summer, fall.
Like winter, something is growing.
We can't see it. It's underground.
Kind of get the sense of it.
For me personally, it feels like
there are little wisps of an idea
like I'll have this like,
"Huh? God that's an interesting thought"
like I remember a few years ago.
I started to have like, "Huh?
I might be living in LA someday.
What a weird thought."
You know, because I didn't
particularly love LA and I lived in
San Francisco and of course anybody
who doesn't knows about San Franciscans
we like to doug LA.
So but it was this wisp
that started to show up.
So that winter,
it's like underground but
you can feel like the beginnings
of something's starting to grow,
to take root and then
it moves into spring.
Things start to sprout up, right?
And then it starts to mature
and move into summer and then we go
into fall and the beginnings of fall
is when something really matures.
We reap the benefits of what
we've fostered overtime.
So in thought leadership what this looks like
is there's something new emerging,
I don't know what it is,
sure I'm still doing the work
I've been doing.
I'm doing the work that was from
the last iteration of something emerging
and it's matured and it is growing.
Now, the problem is if
you just hang your hat
on that for too long,
it's going to die because
we are never especially though,
one percenters, meant to be just static.
Max: Or just gets really stale,
it could get really bore.
Jeffrey: It could get stale and right,
when you talk to thought leaders
behind the stage,
you can see they're miserable.
They are so bored with what they're doing.
They have no idea what to do next
and this is still making money
and so they're still doing it, right?
But for the people that are really
like true to their calling,
they might keep this going for awhile.
We need to keep our lives
and our business going and they might
start to learn like
how do I automate this?
Do I start to train other people
to do this work or do I
automate it in some forth,
some way to keep that work going
in the world it's still valuable work
but then underneath something new starts
to emerge and you spend what
I might call soul time with it
and that can look all sorts of
different ways whether that's on a vision,
quest, or journaling or a prayer
or whatever way you do it,
meditation and you start to listen and learn
what is this thing that I'm searching?
What is this new call
that I'm starting to feel?
And it starts to sprout up
and you start to have new offerings
into the marketplace and test things out
and try them out and you see
what works and you learn more about it.
You become the ambassador of that work
more fully until it begins to mature
and you reach that next plateau
and wow it feels so amazing
when you're there, right?
Because it's like
"Uh I know what it is!
It's rock and rolling. I love it!"
and it's temporary. It's temporary, right?
So if you're really true to your calling
there's always going to be something
that has plateaued and something new emerging
and learning how to move between those
and honor what has plateaued
and honor what emerging
is really part of the process.
Max: Yeah. So what I'm hearing is
one is to recognize that the journey
that it goes through
is really an expanded period of time.
Jeffrey: Yes.
Max: Alright, and so to honor that
and acknowledge that
and I also heard to make sure
to really carve that time
of inquiry to let something,
the deeper questions just stay.
To let the deeper inquires
start to give rise to some
clarity but then you have to
bring it into the world.
Jeffrey: Yeah, well let me talk
about one thing first
and that is fostering what already
has bore fruit, right?
Because I think one of these things
when you're talking about
like the thought leaders are on the stage
and you see them and everything's perfect
and glamorous and what not is,
you didn't necessarily see
the many months or years that it took
to get to that place
and you also don't know
while they are talking about this thing
that they're known for,
that maybe something new
is emerging underneath
the surface for them and they're going
to their friends and their colleagues
and their mentors and
their spiritual support team.
They're going to their spiritual guidance
to start to discern what it is.
It's just that you don't
necessarily often see that
discernment process publicly, right?
So you still see the persona
and what's all perfect and designed
and everything and that's what you see oftentimes
and I think one of the reasons
we decided to do this interview series
is to really show people what it's like
to look at the underbelly of it.
The thing emerging and what's that process
look like because you and I
in our own different ways
we both been going through
that process personally.
So I want to share that
just because you're saying this,
doesn't mean that something else
is emerging for those people
as well and if you've never had
something truly plateau,
that's oftentimes the most challenging place
because you're trying to really discern
what the first thing is
that's trying to emerge,
you're griping for it, alright.
And so anyway,
so I just wanted to share that
before we move on from this point.
Max: So in the next interview we'll,
I think we can dive a little more
deeply into the actual process of finding
the calling and stepping into it
but we've talked about
a number of things today.
We've talked about
what does it mean to receive a calling,
we've talked about
why it can be so difficult
to clarify and answer it
and we've also talked about the journey
if you will of accepting that you know,
kind of where you are is fine
and that oftentimes you don't see
that everybody is actually on this journey
and so to wrap up this video
in a way that really kind of summarizes
that as it take away for people watching,
what would be some of the kind of guidance
or wisdom that you could provide
as a way to close this loop?
Jeffrey: Well first,
for everyone to know, they're not crazy.
Max : For real?
Jeffrey: For real, for real.
Let's start there, right?
That they aren't the only one
receiving a calling that even if
it feels really out there or really strange
or it goes against what everybody else
talks about in their industry
that they aren't crazy.
This is especially true
I just need to add this
for my scientist friends,
my engineer friends who receive
really out their visions
about new forms of energy,
new forms of providing water in this world,
all this different technologies
that are coming online.
Max:Game changing things.
Jeffrey: Game changing things
that absolutely break the paradigm
of the current understanding
in their field about what so.
Especially for those people,
I want them to know,
you're not alone and that you're not crazy.
So that's number one.
Number two is
I know you cannot receive a calling
without the capacity to answer it.
You cannot receive a calling
without the capacity to answer it.
Only because you have the capacity
does it land in you?
Do you have ears to hear it?
Do you have a body to receive it?
So the second piece is to
know,know, know,
that you absolutely can answer it.
That you have everything you need
even when it doesn't feel like it
and third, to know that
you don't do it all at once ever.
You don't ever do it all at once.
It's not overnight.
And fourth, this is really my last one,
to know that you're not alone.
That there are other people in this world
also receiving callings and that there are
people in this world called to provide
a space to make sense
of it and answer it.
That we're here and we're doing our job,
we're answering our call.
So my friends thank you.
Thank you for coming along with us
on this journey.
Thank you for being willing to
answer your own call even if right now
it's in fits and starts,
even if right now
it scares you some days,
even if right now
you don't know what it is.
We're here for you and we love that
you are on this journey with us.
So, here's my request.
We would love to hear
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Goodbye for now.