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Rural Conference in Solanell
November, 2-3
Talks and Retreat Hiking and Nature History and Popular Art
I'm not going to describe my experience in depth
because there's another talk in the internet, a two hour talk
where I describe all our experiences.
I am a conventional cattle farmer specialized in cattle finish.
It is not an organic operation.
A few years ago I started questioning things
and I started trying some things out of the ordinary.
We tried several things, one of them was ocean water.
Among others.
The results were very good
and they made me "wake up".
That's how by using alternative medicine I realized that
we were making a big mistake.
Why do animals get sick?
When you substitute alternative medicine for conventional medicine
you're replacing one input with another.
Even if it's cleaner,
even if I'm using ocean water,
and other things,
even if I'm not using any toxic medications.
This is something I have meditated over the years.
Even though I am now doing conventional farming,
my head is not the same.
Obviously my head has a destination, organic production.
I won't get into it in much detail because
I already have a two-hour long talk
where I give all kinds of details about what we've done.
If you're interested you can search for "veterinaria holística"
in YouTube, you'll find it.
I always thought that any animal
even us, any terrestrial animal
drinking ocean water doesn't make sense.
I always question things, just try to follow logic.
It usually works.
Drinking ocean water doesn't make sense.
But then, why does it work?
If we get sick, if we have a bronchitis,
and we start drinking ocean water,
we start secreting mucus,
and we feel fine in a few days.
Why does this happen?
How can someone with fibromyalgia,
with multiple chemical sensitivity,
heal completely?
Why do so many things like this happen?
Why have I seen so many miracles in my animals
just by using ocean water?
I really like something that Ángel [Gracia] said
a while back, when I first met him,
the world is full of undernourished fat people.
It's a very interesting sentence, and it is true.
We have lots of carbohydrates,
proteins, whatever, but we don't have the minerals.
Why is that?
The main reason is conventional agriculture.
Here we can look at the forest and we can take a
sample of humus. We'll find that
there's a huge amount and variety of elements.
Almost all of them, and there's no ocean here.
Why are they there?
The stable humus on the upper side, we have to
understand it not as a layer of organic matter, that's not right.
It is a living organism, with microtunnels,
the ethylene cycle, cycles that exchange oxygen
for CO2, absorbing CO2, it's like an animal.
What happens to that animal when we till the land?
What happens to a man if a train runs over him?
It's the same man, it's the same flesh.
But it's dead.
It's exactly the same thing.
When we take a piece of forested land,
we eliminate the trees and plant corn,
or barley, or whatever. What are we doing?
All that humus is bioavailable
for the plants, and in two years 80% of
that stable humus, which is not stable anymore,
is eaten up by the plants.
With tilling we're creating a system of dead agriculture.
How many farms do you know where they don't till the land?
Most of them do.
Conventional agriculture is hungry for humus.
What should we do?
Just stop tilling.
How do we do that?
There's ways of doing it, we have to do some research.
I am researching it, I don't know how to do it yet.
There are some techniques to do it,
but we need to investigate them.
There's people doing it.
The funny thing is that when you stop tilling,
and there's people doing it right,
they're not tilling,
and they abandon chemicals, then it turns out
that really poor soil, after years and years of
conventional agriculture, has recovered
the minerals without ocean water.
This can be explained only in one way:
Low energy transmutation.
What is low energy transmutation?
It means that elements appear from nowhere.
How can this happen?
It is scientifically impossible.
There's no academic that can...
Transmutation can happen
when the rules of nature are obeyed.
I am following a method of agriculture
initiated by André Marcel Voisin a long time ago,
he was a French farmer,
who wrote lots of books.
He was writing books 60 years ago.
I've read two of his books and I just got another one.
It's really hard to find them,
because they're out of print.
He knew back then that
when you till the elements are lost,
and then comes sickness.
Undernourished food.
This man wrote a book called Soil, Grass and Cancer.
What an amazing title.
Pamies has it.
Sick soils, sick plants,
sick animals, sick human beings.
Correct.
Sick soils, sick plants, sick animals.
And humans.
We are animals.
Yes, of course, we are animals.
Since we don't have much time, if there's any question,
we can go over it quickly because we have to go for lunch.
Finally I wanted to speak a couple of minutes,
because today is the third, tomorrow is the fourth of November, and
Andreas Ludwig Kalcker is having his trial.
Andreas is a researcher, I don't know if someone knows him,
he researches chlorine dioxide.
He's been dedicated to that for several years,
to chlorine dioxide, which is a mineral used
in alternative medicine.
MMS, right?
This man has helped me tremendously.
It was the first alternative product I ever used.
I have devotion for this product,
it is amazing what it can do.
It's an antiviral, antifungal, antibiotic.
It's wonderful.
In combination with ocean water and
a few other things it's almost like the panacea for many things.
This man, who went to Uganda and
healed more than 100 people of malaria,
in only two days, this man who
through his parasite protocols and chlorine dioxide
has healed 106 children of autism,
just because he is healing people, tomorrow he is facing a trial.
I just wanted to say it, I can't help it, because I
admire him, he's a very honest man,
he just wants to do good things
and give a positive message about what he believes in.
But obviously chlorine dioxide,
just like ocean water, is not patentable.
That's it.
I don't know how long the trial is going to be, it'll start tomorrow.
Where is it?
In Alcoceber. Tomorrow it's the first declarations.
Yes, Alcoceber, in Valencia.
That's all. I am done because I don't have much time.
I just gave a quick review of each subject.
And I have another conference that you can watch.
It's edited, it talks about the treatment of cattle.
Where are you located? In case we want to visit your farm.
If you visit me you are going to see a conventional farm.
But you're not conventional.
No, I'm not conventional, I am working
with my dad and my brother, and now
I'm creating a project with some people,
and I'm looking for a property to implement my project on it.
My goal is to carry out a project of independence.
Independence not the way you may think,
but independence from the big corporations.
Independence as it relates to seeds, fertilizers,
pest treatments, energy, etc.
We're starting this project with some friends.
When it comes true, I'll quit my old life,
and start a new one, and that's it.
Any other question?
What are the charges against that man?
They are accusing him of selling chlorine dioxide, but anyone can sell it.
Chlorine dioxide is a water potabilizer which
is increasingly more popular.
Where is he from?
He's from Germany, but he's been living in Spain for 30 years.
Andreas what?
Andreas Ludwig Kalcker.
He is a fantastic person, and he's restless.
Give us s few ideas about the results with your animals
with ocean water, any news?
any comments on the results?
Everything started when I went buying some calves,
and they told me to buy the cheapest ones.
They were cheaper, but I didn't know that
their moms were 800 kilos, and they were born already at 55 kilos.
So I thought these calves were
a month or a month and a half old, and they were a few days old.
I bought them cheap but they turned out to be really expensive.
After a few days some of them
started laying on the ground,
they couldn't stand up.
I told my veterinarian, and he said
the calves were too young, there was nothing I could do.
So you're supposed to accept it because it happens to many other people.
I just had to accept they were going to die.
They laid on the ground, and then after two days they were gone.
I started trying different things,
with a natural product, the conventional veterinary,
and those days I was reading a fantastic book
about ocean water, Experiences of René Quinton,
I took 50 cc of ocean water and applied it through a subcutaneous injection
to the animal, without filtering it. That afternoon
when I went to see him, he was already trying to stand up.
I applied 50 cc more,
and the next morning he was waiting for me on his feet.
For me it was a huge surprise, and I applied
the same to all the animals with symptoms.
I didn't recover all of them, but I recovered more than 80%.
This was just the beginning of lots and lots of things.
Then I decided to start giving them ocean water to drink
and I gave them both regular water and ocean water.
They knew instinctively how much
ocean water they needed.
They drank it straight, then they would mix it with regular water.
There was a small percentage, 15 or 20 animals,
who wouldn't drink the ocean water, and those were the ones
who were having lung problems.
Pasteurella pneumonia, mostly.
Finally, I located the sick animals,
I put them apart,
and then determined how much water were the healthy ones drinking.
And that's how I learned how much they need.
And then with this quantity I made isotonic water [mixed with regular water].
And I gave it to all the young animals.
And it worked.
I mixed 20% of ocean water and it worked,
there was no more pneumonia.
Then over time I've seen that during the
winter time there's no pneumonia,
but during the hot months from May to September,
it doesn't work so well, there are still come cases.
But during the cold months it works.
We have to understand that pneumonia is like
the cancer of farm animals.
It's the worst.
The conventional system creates lots of very
diseases, the worst of them is pneumonia.
Then I had more cases, I did a lot of tests.
A really interesting test was that regular feed usually
includes a 4% of common salt. With a weight of 100 kilos,
they eat 2% of their weight, let me remember the numbers.
They eat two kilos, at a rate of 4 per one thousand,
I think that's 8 grams, right?
These animals ate 8 grams of salt per day,
and they had both regular and ocean water.
This is the usual recommended dose for farmers,
for the conventional feed.
My animals were drinking
a liter of ocean water per day.
If they eat one liter per day,
then they're having 36 grams of mineral salts in the ocean water,
and they're having 8 grams of salt in the feed.
Well, we decided to do the following.
These 8 grams of salt in the feed,
we increased it a lot to see what happened.
I put 40 grams of salt in the feed.
Just to see what would happen.
The first day I tricked them.
They almost stopped drinking ocean water, and a few days later
they started drinking ocean water again until they
reached 800 or 900 cc per animal.
These animals were eating 40 grams
of salt in the feed, and 30 grams in the water.
This means that the salt in the feed doesn't substitute for the ocean water.
I tricked them in the beginning,
but then they realized that the salt was not good for them,
and their instinct told them to drink the other one.
They were having 70 grams of salt, per 100 kilos of weight,
that's a huge amount for any nutritionist.
But the animals where better than they had ever been.
They were better than ever.
There's more. I once has an animal that was bleeding out,
he would raise the tail and just poop blood,
the stable was colored in red.
I gave that animal chlorine dioxide,
I gave him a lot of ocean water,
and also vitamin K, which is an anticoagulant, for the blood.
Any animal would have died in this situation.
Anticoagulant for bleeding?
Sorry, coagulant. Vitamin K is a coagulant. My bad.
And that animal was able to hang in there.
He didn't lose any strength, or appetite,
he kept eating and drinking, the bleeding stopped,
he recovered, he was perfect. It was a small animal,
about 60 kilos, and he lost... I don't know, the whole box was covered in blood,
he had lost a couple of liters of blood.
[Ángel Gracia PhD, 83 years old Veterinarian] I've been quiet for a long time,
when you provide copper, manganese, selenium and zinc to the bone marrow,
it will produce not only white cells
but also red cells and platelets.
Those will help vitamin K.
Next time don't use vitamin K and see what happens.
Those experiments were done by René Quinton,
we proved it with our analysis at La Laguna,
if you take a group of dogs and inject
hypertonic [pure] ocean water, we take some blood out first
and then we inject isotonic water.
In the other group they take blood out but they
inject physiological serum. The rate at which
the white cells, red cells and platelets recover is 40%
higher than the ones injected with physiological serum.
In other words, ocean water is going to stimulate the production
of platelets by the bone marrow.
I am telling you in case you have another case
so that you can give me a clue on whether or not Nature is right. I think Nature is right.
I think it is.
Have you seen how good he is?
He's creating a school of thought.
The important thing here is that people need to realize
that ocean water is just a fix.
I am always saying that.
It's a short term fix.
There's no such thing as a panacea.
I already mentioned André Voisin, but this man
was a genius and he's created a school,
he died a long time ago,
but he has disciples in Latinamerica,
we were very fortunate of having here Luis Carlos Pinheiro Machado,
who's been working on agroecology for 50 years,
and he was telling us about
how he manages, he designs farm projects,
using a system called Voisin Rotational Grazing.
It's an intensive grazing system.
Intensive sounds wrong, but that's what goes on in Nature.
The big herds of herbivores, like
the bison or the wildebeest, they're always moving,
they get somewhere, devastate everything, and they leave.
That's what soil needs.
When we have cows in extensive regime, "look, they're organic cows".
No, those cows are deteriorating the land.
"But they have one hectare per cow."
Those cows are trampling and trampling always
on the same spot.
Those cows are eating every day the species that
they like the most, they have a buffet.
And the species they like the most are the ones they eat everyday.
As soon as that plant grows they're eating it again.
So it doesn't have any reserves.
What remains in the pasture after years and years?
Weeds.
What can the farmer do?
Till and sow again.
But when he tills... it's a cycle of dependency.
As opposed to that, this system is like a chess board,
everyday you move the animals to another paddock
that is at the optimal growing stage.
These projects have a permanent pasture,
humus content and animal load increase permanently,
year after year they increase.
Forage production increases each year,
and the number of cows per hectare increases.
They multiply their numbers by 4, 5 or 6
compared to what is normally achieved in the same area.
If this area corresponds to one cow per hectare,
then with this system they can put 4.
Does it pollute more? No, it pollutes less.
Because it is a closed cycle, CO2 secuestration is impressive.
And groundwaters remain completely clean.
This is the opposite to ´ conventional wisdom, right?
The department of agriculture says,
so many hectares per cow.
CCPAE [Catalan Department of Organic Agriculture] makes the rules at the office.
CCPAE knows nothing about organic agriculture.
CCPAE just establishes norms. If I am evil minded,
I think that the big corporations on top
say, these guys are bothering us,
they want organic agriculture.
OK, let us make it small.
Just a 1 or 2%, that's it.
What do we need to do to achieve that?
Make it expensive. What do we need to do to make it expensive?
Let's enforce lots of rules,
you cannot do this,
and then you study
organic agriculture and they teach things that
are not eco-logic, they're eco-illogic.
They're labeling everything as organic,
but it really isn't organic.
Our experience here has been that you need
to use all the pastures, which in
this town they used to have 350 cows, and now
the only way of having a sustainable operation,
financially, is with government aid based on organic practices.
They're promoting a very low density of animals.
35 cows and 14 calves instead of 400 or 450,
and who knows how many sheep that used to be
in all this valley.
And I don't know much about this
but what I see is that, I was talking to
the Civís mayor, a few weeks ago, he was telling me
that a family used to live with 7 or 8 cows, now you need
100, you need the whole valley.
It is very difficult to go back to...
There's a dependency route imposed in farming.
Dependency of fertilizers, of seeds,
of GMOs, of pesticides, etc.
But we need to use techniques that allow us
to become independent from this crap.
We are a town, and as a town,
we can be financially independent.
I was mentioning earlier about building a bioreactor,
we can build a bioreactor here in town, for everybody,
and we would have a heating system for the whole town.
Just by simply making compost, let's make
10 000 kilos of compost.
We make it the right way so that we can use the heat,
for at least a year, or a year and a half,
with water coming out at 60 degrees Celsius.
These alternatives can be implemented.
In agriculture, that's where we need to go.
Same thing.
If I have a technique like Voisin Rotational Grazing,
with which I am not spending any money.
Everything is profit.
I am a pain in the *** for many people.
But this is what I am interested in.
That's what people are interested in,
to have a clean production, and cheap
in every possible way. A production that doesn't pollute.
With this type of grazing the only thing you need is materials.
Posts, electric fence,
and you need to save reserves during the spring,
if you have an excess of grass, save some.
But the pasture you have for life.
More productive each year.
And with this technique you get a soil that
you can use afterward for other types of agriculture.
With no tilling.
That's the classical pastoral paradox
we've always known, that if you manage grazing correctly,
with common sense, the pasture is maintained.
Speaking with people from this town,
they used to save grass in spring like he says,
because there are these buildings around here,
they're called "cortals", where they put the hay on top,
the animals are below, and then they had a system
where they move animals depending on where they want to fertilize
the lands, they had them controled,
they didn't have them extensively, going where they want,
like it's happening now with horses.
They used to bring them to one pasture, where they ate.
And then another pasture. They had a system
which I am not sure how it worked,
I'd like to see it, because there's multiple owners.
There where three important families
which would rotate.
There were the communals, they knew very well
where to go, maybe that area with oaks over there...
The animals cannot spend more time in the paddock,
that's determined by the plant.
When a plant is grazed then it regrows,
that regrowth should not be grazed until
the plant goes back to the optimal level.
In the best conditions, in spring,
in May and June, a cow can never stay on
a paddock for more than three days.
Here the problem with the reserves
is the limited amount of pastures we have, two thirds
of the useful paddocks
are not accessible with vehicles.
There was a group of people, the "dalladors",
I don´t know the name in Spanish,
who would come and cut the hay in exchange of food and housing,
and they would bring it to the "cortals" and store it.
We've been looking at that recently.
Among the 70 useful hectares only 12
are accessible with a tractor.
If you have to outsource your hay
your economic sustainability is going to fail.
All the feed must come from the property.
The number of cows per hectare has to be adequate for your property.
Just right.
It is that simple.
That's how it is...
It's time for lunch.
Let's go for lunch.
Revive Solanell Rural Conference in Solanell
November, 2-3
with the following guests...
Popular Romanic with Félix Rodrigo Mora Writer, Historian and Philosopher.
The Origins of Geological Evolution of the Pyrenees with Vicente Sánchez Cela Geology Emeritus Professor
Ocean Water and the Health Route with Ángel Gracia, PhD Veterinary Physician.
Lord of the Stone with Carlos Samunera Stone Cutter from Mallorca.
"Pages" Bread is Back with Ferran Cusidó Baker.
Hiking and Fauna of Solanell with David Manzanera Photographer and Mountain Guide
The Return of the Salt Man with Miquel Marcelino Salt Artisan and Musician
The Catars and the Botany of Solanell with Salvador Ulldemolins Biology Professor and Photographer.
The "Revive Solanell" Project with Saül Garreta Architect
The Open Boards and Communals with Félix Rodrigo Mora Writer, Historian and Philosopher
Rural Conference in Solanell Talks and Retreat Hiking and Nature History and Popular Art