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I'm here with Robert Milton retired commander of London Metropolitan Police
Service
New Scotland Yard you have retired from that position a number of years
ago
you're managing director now correct me if I get the pronunciation wrong
Milton
Tezzelen Limited international anti-terror
security training firm we thank you for being with us
in a very broad sense we're talking about cyber
security and that means a lot of different things I think we and and was we were
talking before I think a lot about
cyber terrorism is a there's a lot more that it's personal safety its
its predatory and pedophiles and ***
deviants who may be online and looking to do harm to family members a bit
there's a lot to think about
absolutely let's let's think about this cyberspace itself for the moment
cyberspace is driving the economy its driving businesses
it's actually creating opportunities for individuals you know they getting much
better information
so they can make better informed decisions they can get education online they
could never do when you think a woman at home looking after her family
is now able to get an education online which she could never do
so cyberspace is a fantastic thing for us and the internet is a great thing
the Arab Spring you know has been driven
a lot by the fact that these people who have been for years and years and years
and depressed by a hostile regime can communicate beyond their borders get
international support a man is driven
a breaking down of a lot of boundaries far more perhaps than ever happened during
Eastern Europe
and the Berlin Wall so cyberspace is a great place
sadly though and somebody described this to me the other day
that it's a bad neighborhood as well theres places you don't wanna be going
and also criminals terrorists
pedofiles *** predators
they see cyberspace as a happy hunting ground for them
because they can carry out activities in an industrial scale
they could never do before I'd be remiss if we didn't mention you're in our area
to be keynoter
at a cybersecurity summit that s at baypath college
also sponsored by economic development council its own conjunction with baypath
establishing a master's degree program in cybersecurity
how important in your view is it that schools
offer and more people get this kind of cyber training today
well baypath collage and I have had a long about 10-year also
relationship and I have a tremendous respect for that college and for doctor
leary on what she has done there
and when I was given the opportunity to take part
in this cyber security seminar that's happening tomorrow morning
that is actually part of the longer cybersecurity
management program online management program for
for MSC and I jumped at the chance I'm
because what we are recognizing now is that we cannot simply protect ourselves
online by being clever by science alone
yeah we do need clever scientists to make our systems harder to penetrate
but the real way we can protect our selves is working with human beings
because the human beings that actually are the most
vulnerable a the security the system's most vulnerable through human beings
making mistakes doing silly things
not understanding the risks and that's what this is all about it's about
providing
businesses both private and public organizations
trained professionals able to come in
and bridge the gap between the high tech people the ones that
work in the IT systems and the directors the chief executive's
the people that are actually trying to develop a strategy because if you get it
wrong
if you get it wrong and you allow your systems to be penetrated
not only is it gonna cost you money to try and put it right
you're gonna lose the confidence of your staff, your customers
and you may lose your position in that particular industry
if you're not careful so that's how important it is now too get to grips with this
and to have a broad strategy yes it includes protection
clever protection devices but much wider
and engage the whole of your customers
your staff and the public and working together to protect your system's
I think we often many others tend to view cybersecurity and really when you
when I talk for a minute or more before the taping
this is the way I was kinda bleeding and thinking we see it as a problem for
national governments the big corporations to worry about
but for just that reason do you think that
the cyber thieves that the bad guys of the web say hey
that that's the tough target I'm gonna go for the small business
I'm gonna go for the small guy there's plenty of money to be made there and the
opportunity is here
with the web to get into millions businesses millions of homes the
situation is even more complicated than that because actually
the the chief executive is at home on a Sunday morning
working through his emails and the guy sitting outside whose
logged onto his unprotected wifi
he's gonna use the information he's getting that's gonna attack his organization
so the problem there is that unless you have a
comprehensive security package you know you're gonna find the weak links in the
chain
are gonna get attacked all the time and they may not be to get in through the front
door
but they're getting through the back door by another system
perhaps one of your customers perhaps wanna one your suppliers they were
getting through that way and once they're in
and they buy pass yoor security systems and they're into your IT
when you have difficulty so that's a problem
yes of course targeting individuals we see that on
a wide scale an industrial scale they can press a button
and they can send out thousands of emails and if they get a 10 percent
return on that
they're doing pretty well but its it's something that we've
all gonna be involved in this gotta be everybody's gonna be aware of
cybersecurity because one weak link
and perhaps the whole deck of cards falls down
let me take it to the other side now from where you sit now suspect you
probably know a lot of things you couldn't share with us even if you
wanted to
are the government's are the big financial institutions the other key
industries
are they taking the threat seriously and doing the kind of things really protect
because if if national networks go down
and a state-sponsored terror perhaps a greater
that that's a serious critical crisis there is no doubt that governments are
taking this seriously because
cyberspace is driving economies and they recognize that they've got to
protect cyberspace in order for that
economic growth to continue ok?
so they're definitely taking it seriously the problem we have is
that cyberspace is no respecter of any borders
so if we're gonna have a coherent
response to this we've gotta do it on an international scale
well the UN are perhaps the people who should be leading on this
but all I see coming out the UN are meetings
and I'm wondering you know the time has come to move beyond that the time has
come to have some international agreements and I'm gonna
compare that what's happened over the international
anti-money laundering regulations
you know the terrorist Action Task Force that actually helps
countries to work together to stop money laundering
to stop terrorists funding now that's being very successful because a lot of the
efforts being put on that a lot of monies being put into it
perhaps the time is now to have a look at that and say should we be doing
something similar
in relation to cybersecurity
very quickly do you think this is a problem that is
only going to multiply as the years go on and as
internet grows and grows even more than it is
I think it is i think there's no danger no chance that this suddenly
ending I think the opportunities to terrorists to criminals
to other people who want to misuse the Internet are always going to be there
but i wanna finish on a positive note I do believe
that if we have this broad strategy which involves
a clever scientist putting better and better security in place
preventing the hackers from getting in preventing the viruses from getting in
provided we have that alongside a lot of other
key strategies that involve training the workforce changing in the culture of
the organisation
public education as long as all that happens at the same time
I think we can we can manage this threat
there has always been an opportunity for the terrorist or criminal to break down
we can't be 100 percent ok but we can be
as good as we can be if we work together on that and that means that we gotta
work
internationally we've gotta work nationally we've gotta make sure that the
private security firms
people like the big antivirus firms
our software firms work very closely together with government
that is a bit of a problem because they they're running profit organizations
they may not want to share the intelligence
but we need to think about how we can overcome that so I am quite positive
that given the right level of commitment by everybody
that we can manage the problem Robert Milton, thank you very much for spending some
time with us