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before it went to the director of the ceo
george herbert
and wondered if the battery kissinger national security
non-event ria
so what we have in other words is a paper trail
that's quite substantial
uh... if you are really interested in investigating the site
uh... took the time some years ago to write an article that i think covers a
sexually pretty nicely
uh... for skeptics unbelievers i called the twelve documents not
fifteen mins twelve
u_s_ government interesting u_f_o_'s
uh... that's at my site keyhole publishing you can go there anytime in
i set it up so that it would be a perfect
tooled reference tool
for anyone really wanting to know some basics as to why this topic is
actually quite important
why it matters from a national security and indeed a global
security perspective
today let me move into another area of this
does all that is really they've basically
now we'll talk a little bit about what i believe has happened over the years
which is retrieval of
b_t_u_ and on
technology not from our civil lines
uh... i do believe this has been happening
i think that there's very strong evidence for this
not quite the same evidence that we get through freedom of information act
requests
it's a different type of
uh... and
uh... i think i'll be able explain that a little more clearly in a few minutes
but nonetheless what we have these applauded
suggested
persuasive in mind
testimony from some heavy hitters
the about programs to study
alien
nonhuman technology
and nonhuman bodies
i do not originate from this
now that name at the top that's leonard street guilty zero he was a researcher
he wasn't that an insider
uh... back in the nineteen seventies when springfield
wrote a book
really the first book to open reopen the whole topical crash retrieval team spent
couple pages
macbooks and as a result of that missus during the carter years
uh... a lot of people came and quietly
maisie stories just quit
tend to be collected
several dozen
really good stories
we have the the uh...
cases senator barry goldwater
long-time u_s_ senator one timeout presidential candidates
trounced by lyndon johnson but he may be republican party ticket
a reserve general in the u_s_ air force any
close friends
of air force legend general curtis lemay me
whose chief of staff in the air force
barry goldwater
mention the story number of times
in which he had approaches from curtis lamenting
on one occasion
asking about the so-called blue room at wright-patterson air force base and this
is where
e_t_ bodies were said to be kept
and indeed springfield had gotten
substory
and uh... gold what he can find the song you kittens
got the split
he said is the only time that uh...
my friend personal may ever cussed me out and really yelled at me and told me
don't as per
ask me
that again
made it very clear that yes it was such a place and new england and home
and the story i think about it
this is a senator
who was
to call in military friendly wasn't understatement
all right he was the the darling politician of the u_s_ military
republican solid
conservative
general in the air force reserve friends that love maine he could not
he could not learn about
despite the fact that he was a
prestigious u_s_ senate
doctor robert saw barker
wannabes defense uh... calm power scientists of the fifties
a real genius
a man whose plugin
uh... the story of sarah barker is a fascinating one
and there's really no mean for me here to go into the details
but what ended up happening is that some bokram in nineteen fifty seven very
detailed discussion
with uh... the canadian
uh... researcher wilbert smith
in which he uh...
to smith that yes the u_f_o_
in fact attempt in good referred to this
in his lecture earlier today
but stated that this is out of the u_f_o_
flying saucer phenomenon
highly classified in the age bomb
here's the thing
smith ended up writing this memo to his government canada
in the aftermath of this at memo was about three years usually
long after smitha dot
and uh... the memo did not lists are blockers main
but in smith's private papers which were retained secretly by his family
so that the canadian government and other black top people couldn't get it
it a try
we're some hand-written notes
a transcript all of the conversation that he had
from way back in nineteen fifty
and in that case
and those dot paper sab opportunity was listed
and so happiness are barker
was alive in the nineteen eighties
speaking out
a few researchers found roberts on walker and guess what
this canary talked
talked a lot
in detail
writing infected to page single spaced tight memorable
confirmed exactly confirming the existence
of programs
of a program he studied
uh... to acquire crash retrieved
to study crash retreat u_s_
and he'd ever heard
heard certain things about the beans
that allegedly were in them
all very interesting
uh... eric walker the man on the on your far right
a colleague of star barker
one-time long-time president of penn state university but more importantly
head of uh... one of most prestigious
defense think-tanks
institute of defense analysis
which was uh...
possible probably for a long time at the pinnacle
of the u_s_ uh...
uh... defense think-tank
industry
walker and also talked
a lot for the end of his life
uh... in any of them in his second from right as uh... astronaut doctor edgar
mitchell
i've had many conversations with edgar
mitchell about this topic he's spoken publicly pete i'm about this as well
and he
said to me personally niece
said publicly he finds it he knew explicitly
from several high-level
sources and look when you're a
apollo
fourteen astronaut who's not
one friend he's basically duggan
talkin' explicitly about programs to study
retrieved bt technology
and as it has in the side of a follow up i was telling you
in late two thousand six hundred too
edgar and
i said you know look i've been tracking all of your statements on this
and he started talking about this at least not
not later than nineteen ninety-seven you mentioned several times
and look
i said i know you've said you like my working support what i do can you help
me out here from me a bone i'm asking you to give these people the sources up
a can you give me something something to work with
and uh... because not all i try to do his confirming corroborate
uh... having anonymous sources really doesn't quite cut it
so what we need is something to work with
but i understood the problem
got these anonymous sources they don't want to get
miro back and said look i do
i get what you do
but uh... the people who came to me one
did so and great
professional
personal lives
and he said he wrote
risk to their
i cannot give them up not until at least activity
that's exactly the same gotten
long story short helen and then read shod man on your here for a lifetime
who uh...
couple of times as many made statements seems to be head uh...
lockheed's uh... skunkworks division
certainly most prestigious
airspace deviations in the world
uh... missing several statements to be in his life
about uh... very suggestive seventeen reality
most particularly toward uh... very in his life in nineteen ninety-three gave a
lecture at the u_c_l_a_
school uh... engineering
along my chat
basically starting off as a history of skunkworks in
b_-two's uh... excuse me the uh...
stealth fighter
back to you to spy plane so forth but in the end of it
this is a texan fitting story
he ended on this
maze ing statement
where he says we now have the technology could take e_t_ home
and he said thank you very much and i was yet
and you know everyone's different
there there are people who are intensely curious about the world and they're
people who do not have a curious bone in the bottom so most of the people just
filed out of the room after he makes the bombshell state
wealthy people stayed behind
surrounded him
uh... one of these individuals some of that i know quite wild can harms it
was an i_b_m_ executive one of the heads of uh...
mu funny mutual u
so they're all around chatting and and enrich goes into this
very uh...
fairly suggested
series of statements he said yes we have the technology taking t home it won't
take the lifetime to do it
presumably a lifetime to go to the stock
messages that we have the technology to go to the stars and it will take
other people in the black world that is the classified world
do not want to see this come out
even though we know he says it's time that they should
he said wait out to the private community and on and on
and then he died
so there is done
and then again there is much much more
uh... it began is not my intention
delay but inside other fish to fry here
there are talked about you know
anonymous leaks
what good are they able they're a little bit good
i try not to use them
i try not to abuse
the thing that happens inevitably with any research
i don't think there's except
that once you put yourself out
and her people
indian side community who identify you
yet you know
i might want to uh... to work with this guy because
frankly the classified world obviously if not mine
if he'd disintegrates and bring
not everyone at the same the pain
you've got people in there for twenty thirty
forty years
eventually they decide you know we leave the secrecy on this
is not a good
and so what did they do well in a talk
that talk straight to the researcher that they identify the problem of course
so as it can give themselves up
they can't even give you enough information
so that if it comes out
begets trace back to them
by their peers
yet though he's keeping some settings v
everything's
cloak-and-dagger
and it's very unsatisfactory
from research point of view yet let me just date
and several instances of my own
experience
i've become satisfied that some of the individuals coming
legitimate misses one such case
this is actually very famous name
and i think they will come when i give his name i can't
i won't
but i had a long conversation with a ninos couple presidents of the u_s_
cement a lot of money being shots
and said to me and he said i'm speaking you as a scientist i'm not
uh... speculating here i've known factually for x_ number of years
he said that a deeply deeply classified levels he said so classified so
compartment
you'd be shocked
at housekeeper dances
at that level he said
there are scientists
who have in their possession e_t_ technology can at least one bond with my
person
another another guy uh... uh...
fairly well known also
making the rounds for awhile spoke to a four-star general former joint chiefs
who confirmed and that there was indeed a and j twelve type group in other words
and
controlling organizing shin
responsible for managing u_f_o_ secrecy e_t_ secrets
but there was such a move in said that it's private
primarily and beyond the standard government-controlled in fact one of the
insides of this
general sad
this person
missus back in the nineties was that
there seem to be debate along generational lines
was the older members of this group who were the more liberal in terms of
wanting to release this information
the younger before
where the hard-liners in the reason
uh... this individual was told
was because the younger group had not made enough money yet off of the secret
makes them southern accents doesn't
so we're getting to money
forgetting to private control of the following up on this quite a bit moment
i must real student of american history handful of american history
when i don't review eppo material on usually reading some sort of history of
philosophy
an american history is pretty much at the top of my
enjoying
uh... i've studied the history of
every every single u experts
anxious passing
i know that there are many americans who are here and you grow up and in your
grade school classes being taught
you know i call it the civics class version of history
in the states that means
i've heard from a member of congress and
mice and men here
the president in we've got our checks and balances we got the congress and the
executive branch and don't forget the judiciary and they all work together and
that's how government works
khana messy but we get the job done
corsets not
duly elected president smell presents are collected their selected and the guy
who's in charge is that the president of the i'll put some in the white house
that's a picture of david rockefeller gation
i would suggest to you that uh... at least during that period of my last
history but this volume too
of u_f_o_s and national security state the covers
from the early nineteen seventies up to nineteen ninety one
uh... to all of the presidencies
of that um...
none of those guys got into office
without that man
nodding his head and saying yes he's going in the couple cases it's boaters
explicit
but jimmy carter
with practically with