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right here with a moral technique use in the house and a seventy two documentary
commonality call this rebel headquarters is actually
perfectly appropriate for you'd be here
uh... deduct the interest of revolution of the moral technique which makes sense
doing good and do a good amount on the west coast
visiting family have a lot of family and his soul
so was a pleasure to be here
also let's just
duke from the top of me tell me your whole story with where where were you
board where you live
house more lost the government and in a month in south america
an act of taking the time
there was uh... a growing conflict inbetween shining path guerrillas
maoist section of a
splint organization of socialist rebels
the paramilitaries in the government which was sponsored by
america another factions looking for
access to natural resources as it always is
and my following we would never do that corporations
from the united states liver natural resource in latin america to come on i
think that
what was more
uh... a factor in us moving
was in my father explained to me and for people that are suffering uh... economic
downturn
in america as a result of
what he wanted to say it was the past presidents policies or just out wall
street robbing people
we had a twelve hundred percent inflation rate a year
and get away at that particular time
well even will turn around and you'll see that was your fault that you know
you guys were irresponsible and
you know a lot that we do we you know
that's do you use you screwed it up it's so
in all that poverty
and all that violence going on
my father figure that it was a genius idea it's a approve the family and was
the harlem
in the nineteen nineties
will save you from poplar note it was it was very telling uh... out was
introduced a hip-hop culture immediately
it was all i do is industry ingredient people
on a street corner
and you could have like eight or nine people
rapping about anything
without someone calling homeland security or arresting them or start
early frisking
you know well the good old days before they were like you to bend cellphone
cameras to catch cops
uh... from robbing drug dealers and abusing people but i think that
uh... what was telling about it
was that he gave me an environment to grow musically and also
that it at that particular time hip-hop was a lot more connected to the culture
to say missus knowledge itself that we need to understand you know
so i_d_ massively curious that all the details are support so what did your dad
doing for
unused teaching their military academy
well i mean is that he became a professor he do what i have anything to
do with the military afterwards
on the he became a teacher
and then on my mother would have you here
uh... detroit physics
of this error
this introductory level is
very common he was a very very strict being with us you know i mean i think a
harsh new but
at the same time
uh... uh... among say that i am everything that i am in everything i
ever will be
because some lights of the time to love me
and and correct my mistakes and you know growing up a house in very like
kind of aggressive and wildcat right but
my father had an answer for all that like every time we went somewhere
harmon went out in south america it took me to
amazon jungle when i was about thirteen and it was like
all of the world
we would be
if you're like roaches in new york city
well then you damn showing all allied no-fly rogers
than the size of a kitten
going around a jungle you know and i mean you've got to really understand
with the price of life lies
and i think those life lessons that he gave me uh...
and of course from my mother as well
help me to have a greater understanding things and even though i i
how how old were you when you came out allows only a few years old
it was a young child at the same time
when i was about seven
on my parents brought me back
for the first time so i can understand and it was very impactful for me
on to realize you know i think
i'm walking around you know
it's what they call the ghetto in holland
mhm but at the same time
innocuous and another dimension of poverty
here's something that most americans really don't understand like
you see someone begging for change
and sometimes people look at them what's fight
what happens when it's a
a six year old child begging for change
you know i mean wanting to stay on as a *** on the street
weapons in the prostitutes ten years old
you know it adds another dimension from the suffering
for people so i think you know in the documentary would win two that we went
to lots of different places afghanistan
columbia
i mean uh... we don't have the footage from haiti in the extras
but we went to a battle
um... series would you give me a lot lot wide european cinema what's going on
in uh...
in two thousand eight hundred ista mixtape called third-world mixtape album
and i use the percentage of the proceeds
the together with human rights organization called all made
international and we have a
a fundraising shell
and what we do essentially was without any other corporate sponsorship
we built an orphanage school in afghanistan
amend you can come up all made all empty
heidi dot org
very very generous and kind hard-working organization
their pitch to me was very simple you know they just wanted to have a
conversation with me about
what was going on over there
and we didn't ask questions about whose kids they were who were they orphaned
by what was the deal is just the fact that
the taliban began because they were orphaned by
oppa a civil war via conflict with russia
all these
conflicts thrown together
some of them went to pakistan someone some of them stay there
and at the same time we don't want people
to grow up and ignorance and hatred anymore we want them to grow up
not americanizing westernized that's not just the bindle beall told solutions
would grow up
to have but on open-minded we'll politicize children anything like that
we just give them an opportunity that they wouldn't have
if they were starving in the streets
now what kind of american r_u_ trying to educate people and so the bombing
writer kami with
but looking back how well bombing them work in iraq i don't know why you go
away from a proven strategies afghanistan is a place where empires
gonna die
i think that without
understanding
history and if you look at it and say hey fail exam to be great
did have the best time here
and that maybe we should rethink the strand he was a badass right hand and
the russians
who didn't have c_n_n_ at the time to shame them into what they were doing
unanimity didn't have the world community
to explore on human rights abuses going on add background air force base you
know i mean whatever we because if that was the russian component at the top
if you have the worldwide media
them agin how many more human rights abuses imagine how much more
innocent loss of life and yet
now america is approaching
that level where people are starting to resent
what they call an occupation as much as the occupation of the russians and
that's a very sad thing and it's not doesn't get any political points for
anybody if anything is just it's destructive so to the legacy of america
yet you know in
the act insured alexander a picture older
great religion they really one of the greatest empires ever of the soviets
and the thing we think we're going to come in their and auditory
we got to slide great oriented someone look at what we're gonna give them big
macs and twinkies and they're just gonna forget all that out
anna and i wish we had more big mac since we designed a sewage a return
compal most of what we give them were drawn strikes
and and you know the bus and then at night you know to your point uh... in
one of the day promises that were fighting man staff is in a poll which is
amazing
and they said wide even americans are here
over ninety percent of them had no idea when nine eleven months they never even
heard of it
they had no idea why were there they just figured okay here's another country
they came back to buyers and we're not gonna let them
suzanne was sworn this and was so excited
now obviously had to agree with you my i you know i've been saying on the show
for ten years
the drop box on people not bombs and then you know that that helps not just
them but i a so i mean
who the recent if
if we are exceptional on all of america in the right way ste
it's because for the right things we did building the united nations rebuilding
our enemies germany and japan
into our top allies right
so i don't know why would you learn the lessons of the things that we did right
let me ask you something
uh... i'm i read about uh...
your passions and and history of which i had a look and find out here
what was the turning point for you because very beginning
it said that you were originally for the invasion america was the turning point
for you we finally said this is ridiculous this is an extensive
writes this is a question
nine love that you're turning it around and though i don't know i don't know if
you have to have said no no no i want to do this and that was like don't just
talk and i said i love it
drive so
so on afghanistan specifically
i thought up kato was using at this as a base which they work
and i thought look we got here at nine eleven and i'd believe in
sending nor at them at six forty eight
and i was afraid honestly that he recorder didn't send a strong enough
message during
the wrong when they took the hostages etcetera
now i've lost it when we decided to go to rack possessive
all kind of message re-sending if you hit the wrong god immediately got within
even attack you
unity created a set of ticket tax you because you can't get you you pen either
way you tag them you don't have access useful bonnie raitt
sesuai hated the iraq war for many many differences
but in the beginning to me to go wif adult cater to kill bill on this one
here is actually makes sense that
but then
we stayed in we stayed and we stayed and we stayed until everybody forgot why
were there first was literally
it you know the baseball hall died tuesday they don't even know why were
fighting
and that guy who really swung around on it was one of our diplomats who resigned
in protest is a mismatch hero
and then he came out that he said
so that i would you know it yet that i was he said i was there any say when you
go talk to them
they say look
if you come to my valley
on the tribunal out of my job
and reason on friday you is you're my god they're not great
and those guys are talking about how bad is different than al qaeda
and then the c_i_a_ came out and said
there's not kill it is about fifty guys left in the country those laura kate and
yemen so might as well kato in germany
personal by leaving berlin germany
so it's stopped making sense to me in the beginning and i understood why we
went
but it by the end it wasn't even close the sense of i think
my experience with a lot of the people there
was simply a lot of cynicism
a lot of them saying
this is just another empire
and wants to come by and take advantage of a country that they think a small one
week
heroes but we have a history of suffering
and we cannot suffer you makers you gave up suffering a long time ago
you know and maybe you think your suffering
in america
maybe people out there they're watching a show like
i'll have to say we're not suffering
you know i just lost my
lost julia your father your mother
complicit
what about some religious lost a whole family
and one of the manager where they live for now
privilege
justice
and revenge and that's it
and no i don't know if i think that's what
that's what people are turning to
uh... five million per cent agree with u_n_ the best examples yemen we're doing
intro strikes and yemen was not very anti american to begin with is pulling
on this is a great principles who talks about this is more the best experts in
the country about it
anne said we turn in the anti american
because what happens when somebody does the drawer strengthens your family
killed your son what would you do somebody killed your son write me fight
them for the rest of your life
so entitled to some of our tro strikes park called signature strengths
as oppose the personality traits personality traits as we know who were
executed
signature site strikers we have no
after nine p_m_ armored security carpet bodywork is basically a total of
corporate bonds
so they are but my question to you is we should not be an indefinite senate and
all
no i think that in the very beginning look if you have a state
that is
harboring someone
who takes responsibility even though
you know that taking of responsibilities still debated by so many people i mean i
think that one of the most interesting things and assess things about
bin laden situation is that he was once the united states asset
that's not a conspiracy theory i'm not making this up because on one channel
and that has up a slight lead left-leaning
i'm just saying it because if we don't examine those things if we don't examine
whom we sponsor in sons of overthrowing the government
than at what point
is there a litmus test for us to say
hate me and this is not a person that we want to be involved in
this is some of his invention that a turn on all us
you know i i think that there was just no history
no research done about that
that did we impetuous lee
jumped into a situation that we didn't have an exit strategy for they were so
many things that were wall with going it seemed like
you know but that people would have wanted
draw the sword and lead the cavalry unit
and it was part of the
living in a western
peeled three fantasy abt up i've desiree confused about what we have decided to
who would be architects in these geniuses
still have a job
coming on some some television shows that
the people who decided on this
and their opinions actually considered valid
they're like oh my god both that's the doing that
was completely wrong about iraq and probably helped to cause the death of
thousands of american lives and people just talking to him like he's a regular
person
he's responsible put the people dying is a fraud
e yet nor again i couldn't agree more with you by the way unless you think
which literally
on his in aside office right off the oval office
usa keep saddam hussein's gun
play after they took down saddam hussein his attack
like he did is it like on my dad couldn't get is now underway hitler put
made stalin's overrated stalin made hitler's that's college when ashtray or
something
is that what we're doing now anne any soviet include casas
you have been one was a necessary saddam hussein right we have in response to
saddam hussein tic tic tac toe romford a brutal years
i mean and and that's why i said i was so surprised we went after me quite
exactly when i thought your clothes on your side
and you know is it about the was it about resource of course why do we why
are we going to racked why are we going to libya but we won't go into serious
syria doesn't have any order
why are we going or threat from north korea doesn't have a lot of the
notorious different i think because e to me
the north koreans were willing to do something that nobody else was
you know i i think we sent the wrong message to people
with iraq and i always said this
they said we have no weapons of mass destruction
and so
we say no you have weapons of mass destruction and they repeat again
brother no i don't have any sorry it's gone
we didn't find any there otherwise
*** cheney women hold him over as head of the president
we played the same gander with north korea
you have weapons of mass destruction
and what did kim jong il said the time
you as a matter of fact we do it we got about five a six of us
whenever you feel right just come on down like the price is right
that was basically is
very very
uh... aggressive attitude you start talking about the cities they were gonna
bomb
you wanna trade cities on the west coast for pyongyang like this year
fanatical
uh... almost i'm willing to fight you what do you wanna do and we said
nukes
what messages that send to people
now we don't have weapons of mass destruction but if you have them
we can't ***
yet that's exactly right entebbe three rooster genteel saying what now right
and and and what they did was actually built those nukes during the bush
administration while we pretend to about what was the best russian in iraq where
they didn't have it
they don't even know it really good idea because
forget usb would destroy south korea they would obliterate south korea and
and so that's a mess
so let me ask you about you know that back to wrap in music
uses
fine mid ranting about politics is topper in terms of record sales and
sarah or do people like that just as much as you know the sex and everything
else you know i'd
every single song isn't about like a a political agenda for sale i got the last
free alamak call them water
i do song called natural beauty and it was just simply about the way that uh...
magazines in media
corbett women's and security
you know and the whole message is always to say hey listen if you will think
you're beautiful and you think you're worth something than will even and of
settling for life
you know i mean
you know remember sambhal caricature characteristics
now who's got the college in under the lipstick implant in arabic at surgical
sickness
a bipolar society the claims to be righteous prepaying artificial melanin
trying to be like us
i mean at some point what we have to talk about different as you have to give
music dimension you do when i work with kids and they just wanna right about the
streets in
and drug dealing and stuff i said listen if you're in entertainment just make it
interesting for people tell me what it's like to sell drugs to a pregnant woman
tell me what it's like to grow up
in the household
you now
seldes same drugs if you saw your parents grow using
because most people that i know that were involved in and running
had parents that were addicted to drugs
told me that story tell me what it's like to lose a shipment
d'amboise ask you for them sixty thousand dollars yuo
told me a story that's interesting make didn't make the listener
want to participate in some way shape or form
because that's the true so live entertainment you making people think
and not just providing some cookie-cutter example
the weight music supposed to be where we pretend to be a caricature of ourselves
for the amusement of america you know art
part black latino people are not one-dimensional
in middle east and people are not one-dimensional
even white anglo saxon american people are not one-dimensional
they have a history to sort out why are we only painting us in this particular
light
but the three examples you give us an and i kinda wanna know those stories and
would you sell to a pregnant woman you know and what happens if you lose this
is that
that yep iraq about that that's fascinated sort of said yes i want
people to too
to exploit the fabulous
because if i just learned about running around the jungle with an a_k_-forty
seven
in that
cliche revolutionary way
then people would get tired after one or two songs
i mean it's all about the drug trade call peruvian coca everyone plays a
different part about drugs get to this country
the corrupt official in latin america
uh... some c_i_a_ agent
the drug dealer here that takes the money
the cop that gets paid overtime to steal people's
drugs are coming up a we try to make it is interesting is as humanly possible
you know that's all really got a friend who's doing documentary investigations
on the that's exactly right
how you describe it are one more thing for you now you told by revolution of
course a lot installing susumu movie if senator
how do you look first before you had to find for us of course we mean by that
but the second of all can we realistically get there in this country
how would we do well i think that
before we romanticize idea revolution we have to talk about
the fact of what most people think about they think of the violent overthrow of
the state
and what we're talking about with revolution is first
a mental revolution you know first that confronting the must follow g f america
no we didn't
conquered the native american people and glory
and an a and a series of
you know the epic wars
no we stole the ads them out of them and we lied to them we committed genocide
and unfortunately we've now decided to change that because it doesn't suit
history
the same way to party is what a pain slave owners in in there
in a more positive light
that's going to contribute to the battering of america that's gonna
improve race relations but you will prove something by lying about what the
cause of the problem was
improves something by fully accepting the criticism
and differentiating it
from all the things that are just thrown into the universe and saying well we
could improve on that
yes it was supposed to be you know god created all men equality was supposed to
be
you know the streets of self-evident that you know
at the same time
we abandoned that and the principles
of the the birth of this nation
and i think that
if we confront those first and we moved past that and he'd say
you know i'm sorry columbus was not a hero
you know he was a slave master and a murderer
if we say to ourselves yes
the founding fathers were great men but some of them on slaves and that was a
part of the hypocrisy of america
the people that founded this country
they were masons that's not a conspiracy theory
talia mason doesn't know the history of africa in knee-jerk
with people worship hiram of this is a feeling great
uh... architect at some point
you mean to tell me you really believed
that black people were three states of america was that your justification for
slavery
because if you just been honest
i can't tell if a kind of roman empire and said no we took because you lost the
war that's why you're in chains
but no it was the cowardice in the inability just say now we need an excuse
for this
which left the lingering legacy of racism
in other words if we go back and we address to the following she it helps us
to
open those wounds that need to be cleaned
that can still save america
and if it doesn't then there will be no political science and because we won't
have any economic sovereignty
because people will be intelligent enough to do for themselves because
people will be self-motivated it will be touch taking personal responsibility for
what they're doing
it all starts here
and this is the last resort
highways tell kids don't don't glorify dates
war is not something to be glorified it's something that destroys people even
the winners of war come home
ripped apart because of what they've had to do you can tell them that their
heroes
but some of them will always carry the pain of having to take another human
being's life
because of real man doesn't take gloria
he understands that that was all part of his duty and service
and that a soldier is only a piece of warrior
and then a warrior is only a piece of the man
coming back like that
we should pay a lot more attention to the veterans as well
and i just want to close and saying that
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