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ARIZONA'S SO-CALLED RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM BILL.
LOOK, ANOTHER DAY HAS GONE BY
AND GOVERNOR BREWER STILL HAS
NOT VEET TOED THIS THING.
THE PRESSURE IS BUILDING FROM
EVERYWHERE BUT THE SILENCE FROM
HER OFFICE DEAFENING AND NOT
JUST FROM THE GOVERNOR.
WHERE ARE ALL THESE BIG-NAME
REPUBLICANS WHO WANT TO BE
PRESIDENT?
MARCO RUBIO, RAND PAUL, TED
CRUZ, HELLO?
THEY HAVE TOTALLY DISAPPEARED.
ARE THEY FOR THIS BILL BUT
THEY'RE AFRAID TO SAY SO?
ARE THEY AGAINST IT BUT THEY'RE
AFRAID TO SAY THAT?
GUY,
GUYS, YOU CAN'T LEAD THE FREE
WORLD IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHICKEN
OUT.
BE COURAGEOUS, LIKE RONALD
REAGAN.
>> SAY THAT AGAIN.
>> BE COURAGEOUS, LIKE RONALD
REAGAN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> BACK IN 1978 HE JOINED THE
FIGHT AGAINST A NUTTY BALLOT
INITIATIVE THAT WOULD HAVE
BANNED GAY TEACHERS IN
CALIFORNIA.
THAT ANTI-GAY MEASURE ACTUALLY
LOST AND TWO YEARS LATER THE
GIPPER WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
I'M JUST SAYING.
NOW, SIR, DOES IT BOTHER YOU
THAT YOU'VE HEARD NOTHING FROM
CHAMPIONS WHO LOVE TO SNUGGLE UP
TO YOU, THEY WANT A GOOD RATING
FROM YOU, BUT THEY'RE COMPLETELY
MISSING IN ACTION?
DOES IT OFFEND YOU TO NOT HEAR
ANYTHING FROM THE FRONT-RUNNERS
IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
>> WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH
MISINFORMATION ABOUT THIS OUT
THERE, I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM NOT
WANTING TO JUMP INTO THE FRAY ON
SOMETHING THAT IS A STATE ISSUE
NOT A FEDERAL ISSUE.
IF IT WERE A FEDERAL LAW --
>> PEOPLE FROM THAT STATE ARE
NOT TALKING ABOUT IT.
>> McCAIN HAS COME OUT THE OTHER
WAY.
>> OR COME OUT TO OPPOSE IT.
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
YOU SUPPORTED -- I'M SORRY,
SENATOR FLAKE, YOU GAVE HIM A
100% RATING.
FLAKE HAS NOW ABANDONED YOU TO
THE WOLVES AND IS NOW SAYING
THIS IS A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE
BILL.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
>> WELL, I'M UPSET ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT HE'S MAKING A
MISTAKE AND HE'S RESPONDING TO
THE FUROR IN THE MEDIA RATHER
THAN LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL BILL
AND THE PRINCIPLES.
CAN I RESPOND TO WHAT YOU SAID
ABOUT RONALD REAGAN?
BECAUSE THAT LAW THAT HE CAME
OUT THAT WOULD HAVE BANNED GAY
TEACHER, THAT WOULD HAVE BANNED
ANY GAY PERSON FROM SERVING AS A
TEACHER IN ANY PUBLIC SCHOOL IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
THIS LAW IN ARIZONA DOES NOT BAN
GAY PEOPLE FROM HIRING WEDDING
PHOTOGRAPHERS OR HIRING BAKERS
TO BAKE WEDDING CAKES FOR THEM.
I'M SURE THEY'D HAVE NO PROBLEM
FINDING SOMEONE TO SERVE THEM
AND TAKE THEIR MONEY.
IT'S NOT THE ONE WHO OBJECTS
BASED ON CONSCIENCE IS GOING TO
BE COERCED BY GOVERNMENT TO ACT
AGAINST THEIR CONSCIENCE.
>> LET ME GO TO NEERA ON THE
FLIP SIDE OF THE POINT THAT VAN
WAS MAKING.
WHERE ARE ALL THE REPUBLICAN
LEADERS.
WHERE IS PRESIDENT OBAMA ON
THIS?
PRESIDENT OBAMA RELEASED A PRESS
STATEMENT THIS WEEK ON THE DEATH
OF HAROLD RAMIS.
WE ALL LOVED IN "GHOSTBUSTERS"
BUT HAS NOT FOUND TIME TO
COMMENT ON THIS PIECE OF
LEGISLATION?
>> DO YOU THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE
IN AMERICA WHO ARE CONFUSED
ABOUT HIS POSITION ON THIS
LEGISLATION.
>> JUST LAST YEAR.
WHY WOULDN'T HE COME OUT AND
TALK ABOUT THIS?
>> THIS IS A GREAT ISSUE, WHICH
I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS
GOING TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE
THING TO GET JAN BREWER, THE
GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA, A PERSON HE
DOESN'T HAVE THE GREATEST
RELATIONSHIP WITH.
>> YEP.
>> TO SAY NO.
AND I THINK IF THE WHITE
HOUSE -- MY SUSPICION IS IF THE
WHITE HOUSE THOUGHT IT WOULD
HELP HER FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA TO
COME OUT AGAINST IT, IT WOULD
HELP HER DO IT, THEN HE WOULD
ABSOLUTELY DO IT.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS SHE'S
FACING PRESSURE FROM THE EXTREME
RIGHT IN ARIZONA AND PROBABLY
HEARING PRESIDENT OBAMA COME OUT
FOR IT --
>> HE'S THE LEADER OF THE
COUNTRY, I THINK HE SHOULD COME
OUT ON THIS.
BUT LET ME ALSO JUST FLIP THIS
AROUND JUST AGAIN.
VAN JUST LISTED A WHOLE HOST OF
REPUBLICANS WHO EITHER HAVE NOT
TALKED ABOUT THIS OR HAVE
CONDEMNED THIS.
HE LAMENTS THIS FACT BUT FINALLY
IT SEEMS THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE
LEARNED HOW NOT TO REFLEXIVELY
DEFEND BAD LEGISLATION.
DOESN'T THIS WORRY YOU THE
REPUBLICANS ARE FINALLY LEARNING
THE BETTER STRATEGY ON THESE
ISSUES?
>> NOT AT ALL.
BECAUSE IF IT MEANS LIKE MORE
TOLERANCE AND MORE SUPPORT FOR
LGBT RIGHTS OVER THE LONG TERM,
I WANT REPUBLICANS TO DO IT.