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>> PAUL RIDDICK? >> FATHER, WE COME TO YOU
HUMBLY, WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO BLESS OUR
RESIDENTS, BLESS THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, KEEP
THEM SAFE, STEADFAST WITH REGARD TO LEARNING, WE ASK
YOU TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO THIS JOB IN A FAIR AND
JUST MANNER. THESE, ALL THE BLESSINGS, WE
ASK IN YOUR NAME. AMEN.
>> AMEN. >> [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
>> THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.
>> >> [ROLL IS CALLED] MOTION TO
EXCUSE MAYOR -- >> [INAUDIBLE]
>> >> [ROLL IS CALLED]
>> THE MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH READING OF THE MINUTES
FROM THE PREVIOUS READING. >> [ROLL IS CALLED]
>> CLERK WILL READ THE RESOLUTION FROM THE CLOSED
MEETING. >> RESOLUTION TO CERTIFY
CLOSED MEETING OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE CITY OF NORFOLK WITH
THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
>> [ROLL CALLED] >> GOOD EVENING.
WELCOME TO THE NORFOLK CITY COUNCIL.
FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO DO NOT NORMALLY ATTEND
NORFOLK CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE WAY IN WHICH WE
CONDUCT OR MEETINGS, TONIGHT, WE NORMALLY TAKE UP ALL
CEREMONIAL MATTERS FIRST AND TONIGHT, WE HAVE A BID, SO WE
WILL DEAL WITH THAT. THEN WE MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC
HEARINGS. AND WE WILL VOTE ON THEM AS
THEY APPEAR ON THE DOCKET. AND TONIGHT, WE HAVE FOUR.
AND WE MOVE DIRECTLY TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
WE VOTE ON THESE ITEMS THE WAY THAT THEY APPEAR, LEST WE
HAVE A COUNCIL PERSON WHO WISHES TO HAVE ONE OF THESE
ITEMS TAKEN UP SEPARATELY. THEN WE MOVE DIRECTLY TO OUR
REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS AND VOTE ON THESE ITEMS, IN THE WAY
THAT THEY APPEAR. IF THOSE OF YOU WHO HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT A SLIP OF PAPER, BEFORE YOU
CAME INTO THE CHAMBERS THIS EVENING, BEFORE 7:00, YOU
WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THAT IS THE WAY WE CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS, AND WE WILL
START WITH OUR CEREMONIAL MATTER, AND THE CEREMONIAL
MATTER THIS EVENING, WE HAVE NORFOLK CHRISTIAN SCHOOL
GIRLS BASKETBALL TEAM. ALL RIGHT, WILL YOU STAND?
>> [APPLAUSE] >> AND VIRGINIA INDEPENDENCE
ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION, DIVISION TWO, STATE
BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP. >> AND WE HAVE WITH US COACH
CURTIS TURNER. WE HAVE HEAD MASTER JANE
DUFFY. AND THE PRINCIPAL OF CAVE,
CABE MCKELL. >> [APPLAUSE]
>> WE HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR YOU THAT I WILL READ, AND IT
SAYS WHEREAS NORFOLK CHRISTIAN SCHOOL ATHLETIC
PROGRAM SEEKS TO INSTILL AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ACHIEVING
AND MAINTAINING GOOD HEALTH WHILE TEACHING VALUABLE
LESSON OF TEAMWORK, SPORTSMANSHIP, COMPETITION
AND LEADERSHIP AND WHEREAS NORFOLK CHRISTIAN
AMBASSADORS, GIRLS BASKETBALL TEAM HAS ESTABLISHED ITSELF
AS DIVISION TWO POWERHOUSE IN THE VIRGINIA INDEPENDENT
SCHOOLS ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION, AND WHEREAS IN A REMARKABLE
2012-2013 SEASON, THE NORFOLK CHRISTIAN GIRLS ADVANCED TO
THE STATE TOURNAMENT AT WAKEFIELD SCHOOL, WHERE THE
LADY AMBASSADORS ELIMINATED TOP SEED MILL ESCHOOL ON
MARCH FIRST TO ADVANCE TO THE FINALS AGAINST WILLIAMSBURG
CHRISTIAN. AND WHEREAS, AFTER A SEASON
LOSS, THEY CAPPED AND -- EXCUSE ME.
THE IMPROBABLE TOURNAMENT RUN WITH A HARD FOUGHT 36-31
VICTORY OVER WILLIAMSBURG CHRISTIAN ON MARCH SECOND TO
WIN THE VIRGINIA INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION
DIVISION TWO GIRLS BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
NORFOLK DOES HEREBY EXTEND HEARTY CONGRATULATIONS TO
COACH CURTIS TURNER AND NORFOLK GIRLS CHRISTIAN
BASKETBALL TEAM ON THIS OCCASION FOR THIS OUTSTANDING
ACHIEVEMENT. COACH?
>> THANK YOU. >> DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A --
>> [APPLAUSE] >> FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO
THANK GOD, FOR WITHOUT HIM, WE ARE NO ONE, AND I WANT TO
SAY THANK YOU COUNCILMEN, VICE MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN FOR
THIS HONOR TODAY. IT'S AN IMPORTANT WOMAN FOR
MY GIRLS AND OUR SCHOOL. WHEN NO ONE THOUGHT WE COULD
DO IT, WE DID. WE WERE THE LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD.
WE KEPT GOING AND GOING AND GOING.
I WANT TO SAY TO EVERYONE HERE, ESPECIALLY MY HEAD
MASTER, OUR PRINCIPAL, THE GREAT PARENTS I HAVE,
ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG LADIES RIGHT HERE, MY BABY GIRL, AND
MY TRAINERS -- COME ON, YOU ALL, STAND UP.
THEY WERE THERE, 5:30, IN THE MORNING, PRACTICES, ALSO.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, AND GIRLS, JOB WELL DONE.
>> DO YOU WANT TO COME AROUND THE FRONT?
>> WE'LL SQUEEZE IN HERE. OKAY.
GOOD JOB. >> AGAIN, WE'RE SO PROUD OF
YOU LADIES. CONTINUE TO DO GOOD THINGS IN
SCHOOL WITH YOUR STUDIES, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE YOU BACK
HERE NEXT YEAR WITH ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP.
ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A PRETTY LENGTHY
DOCKET. >> WE NEED TO GET ON THIS.
>> LET'S VOTE ON IT QUICKLY. >> MR. PRESIDENT?
>> YES. >> ADOPT A RESOLUTION,
MR. GRIFFITH? >> AYE.
>> I THINK I'M WEARING MY NORFOLK CHRISTIAN PURPLE AND
GOLD, AM I NOT? I WILL SAY THIS, AS TIGHT AS
I -- AS TIED AS I HIM TO NORFOLK COLLEGIATE, AS MANY
OF YOU KNOW -- I CAN AMEND THE WORD POWERHOUSE OUT OF
THE -- THAT BEING SAID, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU GUYS
HAVE DONE GREAT. I AM VERY PROUD OF NORFOLK
CHRISTIAN. WONDERFUL, INDEPENDENT SCHOOL
IN OUR CITY. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH
YOUR ATHLETIC, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH YOUR
ACADEMICS, I'M PROUD OF YOUR WRESTLING TEAM.
YOU'VE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB. AND JUST KEEP IT UP.
JUST REMEMBER, WHEN YOU PLAY THE OAKS, YOU MAY HAVE TO LET
IT UP A LITTLE BIT! VERY PROUD OF YOU GUYS.
GOOD JOB. >> ALL RIGHT.
>> MR. RIDDICK. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD THE MEN UP HERE AND YOU
GUYS HAVE CERTAINLY SHOWN THEM!
>> I'D LIKE TO SAY TO THE GIRLS, THE YOUNG LADIES, GOOD
JOB AND WELL DONE AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, I'M REALLY
-- I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ONE OF MY FORMER CLASSMATES WERE
HERE FOR TONIGHT. YOUR COACH, CURTIS TURNER IS
ONE OF MY FORMER CLASSMATES, SO WHEN I WALKED HIM AND SAW
HIM, I WAS LIKE OKAY, WHAT IS HE HERE FOR, BUT IT'S GOOD TO
SEE INDIVIDUALS, AS YOU ALL GET OLDER, YOU WILL FIND THAT
INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU WENT TO SCHOOL WITH WILL DO OTHER
THINGS AND SOME OF THEM, NOT SO GOOD THINGS, AND SOME OF
THEM, REALLY GOOD THINGS, AND SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE
INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU WENT TO SCHOOL WITH DOING REALLY
WELL, AND SO TO COACH TURNER, I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU, AND
I'M VERY PROUD TO KNOW YOU. HE WAS A GREAT BASKETBALL
PLAYER WHEN WE WENT TO SCHOOL TOGETHER, AND I SEE THAT IT
RUBBED OFF, AND BEING A GOOD COACH!
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN?
>> AYE. >> OKAY.
WE HAVE AN INVITATION TO BID. >> YES, SIR.
>> CAN WE GET THAT READY? >>
>> YES, SIR, WE HAVE TONIGHT AN INVITATION TO BID THAT WAS
SCHEDULED FOR THIS DAY PURSUANT TO ACTION OF COUNCIL
ON FEBRUARY 26, 2013, PUBLIC NOTICE HAVING BEEN INSERTED
IN THE LOCAL PRESS BY THE CITY CLERK TO ACCEPT A BID
FOR A 20-FOOT NONEXCLUSIVE EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND
EGRESS ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HARBOR PARK,
PARKING LOT D, FOR A TERM OF 40 YEARS.
>> OKAY. HOW MANY BIDS HAVE BEEN
RECEIVED? >> ONE BID HAS BEEN RECEIVED.
>> PLEASE READ THE BID THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED.
>> NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILWAY COMPANY HAS SUBMITTED A BID
IN WHICH THEY OFFER AN EXCHANGE FOR THE 20-FOOT
INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT OVER CITY OWNED PROPERTY EAST
OF HARBOR PARK FOR GRANT THE CITY A 40 YEAR NONEXCLUSIVE
EASEMENT ACROSS COMPANY RAILWAY LAND FOR
CONSTRUCTION, MAINTENANCE, USE AND REMOVAL OF VEHICULAR
PUBLIC ACCESS ENTRYWAY OVER AND ACROSS NORFOLK LAND NEAR
THE CITY'S HARBOR PARK, AND MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION AS
NS BID 2361 #. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER BIDS?
>> NO, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.
I DECLARE THE BIDDING CLOSED. IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK OR BE HEARD AS RELATES TO THIS
ISSUE? >> OKAY.
I DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
MR. CLERK. >> IS THERE ANY
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITY STAFF REGARDING THE BID
RECEIVED BY NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILROAD COMPANY?
>> YES, SIR, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE BID BY SOUTHERN NORFOLK
BE ACCEPTED AND THE 20-FOOT NONEXCLUSIVE EASEMENT FOR
INGRESS AND EGRESS ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HARBOR
PARK BE AWARDED, AND I HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
>> PLEASE READ IT. >> THE ORDINANCE IS CAPTIONED
ORDINANCE ACCEPTING THE BID SUBMITTED BY NORFOLK SOUTHERN
RAILWAY COMPANY AND GRANTING SAID COMPANY A 20-FOOT
NONEXCLUSIVE 40 YEAR EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS ACROSS
THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HARBOR PARK, AND SUGGESTING
IT BE ADOPTED. >> [ROLL CALL]
>> PUBLIC HEARING ONE. >> PUBLIC HEARING ONE,
SCHEDULED FOR THIS DAY PURSUANT TO ACTION OF COUNCIL
ON FEBRUARY 26, 2013, PUBLIC NOTICE HAVING BEEN INSERTED
IN LOCAL PRESS ON THE APPLICATION OF THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION TO ADOPT PLAN NORFOLK 2030 AS THE
CITY'S NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REPEAL THE GENERAL PLAN
OF NORFOLK 1992 AS AMENDED. BY A 6-ZERO VOTE, PLANNING
COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST BE APPROVED WITH
AMENDMENTS. >> WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
PETA? >> BEFORE WE HAVE THE PEOPLE
SPEAK, CAN WE SPEAK TO THE AMENDMENTS, ARE THEY GOING TO
BE INCLUDED IN THIS? >> I THINK IT COULD SAVE A
LOT OF -- >> LET'S DO THAT.
>> IT'S PART OF THE PLAN. >> FRANK WOULD SPELL THEM
OUT. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS
WITHIN THE COUNCIL ON SOME OF THE ITEMS AND WE'VE AMENDED
THEM TO TRY TO I GUESS ADDRESS THOSE.
>> IF I MAY. IS IT PROPER THAT WE -- THOSE
OF US WHO HAVE AMENDMENTS THAT WE WISH TO BRING FORWARD
BRING THOSE FORWARD FIRST, THEN HAVE FRANK, MR. DUKE,
THEN COMMENT UPON THOSE OR SHOULD HE COMMENT FIRST AND
THEN WE MAKE THE AMENDMENT? >> IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION
BUT IT MIGHT BE MOST EFFICIENT IF MR. DUKE WENT
FIRST. IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL IT
MIGHT BE BEST TO TAKE THEM UP AFTER.
>> THANK YOU. >> I'M JUST AS GOOD WITH
FRANK AS MR. DUKE. >> YOU ARE.
YOU ARE, FRANK. >> THE AMENDMENTS THAT
COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR, THE FIRST ONE, I WILL MENTION IS
A REQUEST TO INCLUDE A CHAPTER ON LIFE-LONG
LEARNING. THIS WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL
SERIES OF CHAPTERS THAT WERE PROPOSED TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION, BUT IT WAS, BECAUSE THIS IS A COUNCIL
PRIORITY TO IMPROVE LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT ALL
ASPECTS OF LIFE, BEGINNING WITH PRE-K ON UP THROUGH
ADULT EDUCATION AND INCLUDE ALL OF THE NORFOLK PUBLIC
SCHOOLS AND THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS, TO ADDRESS ALL OF
THOSE ISSUES AND RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS A PRIORITY OF
COUNCIL, COUNCIL ASKED US TO DEVELOP A CHAPTER DEALING
WITH LIFE-LONG LEARNING. THAT CHAPTER HAS BEEN ADDED,
OR HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. I CAN'T SAY IT'S ADDED,
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT ACTION TONIGHT.
THAT CHAPTER HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH
HAS RECOMMENDED ITS APPROVAL. AND -- APPROVAL AND INCLUSION
IN THE GENERAL PLAN, ALTHOUGH THEY DID NOT HAVE A PUBLIC
HEARING ON IT. THE CHAPTER DOES SIMPLY PULL
OUT OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF PLAN NORFOLK 2030 THOSE
PROVISIONS THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO LIFE-LONG LEARNING, AS
WELL AS LOOK AT SOME OF THE ACTION THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS
STAFF CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING TO PROMOTE EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE.
AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE
PLAN. THE SECOND SERIES OF
AMENDMENTS THAT YOU HAVE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL REVISIONS TO
THE GREATER NORVIEW AREA PLAN.
THESE AMENDMENTS ARE DESIGNED TO REFLECT SOME OF THE ISSUES
THAT HAVE EMERGED THROUGH THE TASK FORCE FOR THAT AREA OVER
THE PAST FEW YEARS, DEALING WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
STREETSCAPE PLAN AND LAND ASSEMBLY IN ORDER TO CREATE
BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AND
COMMUNICATIONS WITH NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENT
SPECIALISTS ON THIS SECTION OF THE PLAN, SO WE WOULD ALSO
RECOMMEND THAT BE ADDED TO THE PLAN.
THE THIRD AREA IS AN ISSUE THAT EMERGED VERY LATE, AND
THAT, I THINK, IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS CREATED A GREAT DEAL
OF CONSTERNATION FROM THE VOTING COMMUNITY, BECAUSE
THERE IS A POLICY CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN THAT CALLS FOR
THE CITY TO MOVE TO DESIGNATE NO DISCHARGE ZONES IN OUR
RIVERS, AND I PERSONALLY FELT THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY NOT
EXACTLY WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ORIGINALLY
INTENDED. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THEY
HAVE STRESSED THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT OF THE PLAN, IS
WORKING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO YOU IS LANGUAGE THAT WORKING
WITH THE AFFECTED COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD BE THE BOATERS AND
THE MARINAS IN THE CITY, WE WOULD EXPLORE THE
OPPORTUNITIES TO SEEK DESIGNATION FROM THE WATER
WAYS AS NO DISCHARGE ALLOWED, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WILL
ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD
OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THAT WE ARE MOVING TO
DO SOMETHING WITHOUT INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE LAST ISSUE IS A REQUEST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
LEAGUE TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION, LAND USE
DESIGNATION, OF YARMOUTH STREET IN GUNTA AS CURRENTLY
SHOWN ON YOUR LAND USE PLAN AS MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND THAT
REFLECTS THE FACT THAT THIS PARTICULAR STREET CONSISTS OF
A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY, AS WELL AS TOWNHOME UNITS.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE REQUESTED THAT IT BE
DESIGNATED AS URBAN RESIDENTIAL.
WE COULD NOT SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE
UNITS ON THE STREET ARE TOWNHOME UNITS BUT WE WOULD
BE RECOMMENDING THAT STREET BE CHANGED TO A MULTI-FAMILY
CORRIDOR, WHICH WOULD REFLECT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE
UNITS ARE TOWNHOMES IF THAT BE THE WILL OF COUNCIL.
>> THANK YOU FRANK. >> IS THERE A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN A TOWN HOLE AND ROW HOUSE?
>> NO -- TOWNHOME AND A ROW HOUSE?
>> NO. >> THE IDEA IS THE HOMES
RIGHT NOW, ALTHOUGH INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, ARE IN
THE TOWNHOUSE CORRIDOR AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND THEY
WERE DESTROYED, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THE ONLY THING
THAT COULD BE REBUILT WOULD BE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
>> RIGHT. I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE
RESTRICTIVE, FRANKLY. >> I DON'T HAVE A WAY TO MAKE
IT MORE RESTRICTIVE. IF YOU WENT WITH THE SINGLE
-- >> IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
>> IF YOU WENT WITH THE URBAN RESIDENTIALS AND YOU GOT AN
ISSUE THAT THE TOWNHOMES -- IF THEY WERE DESTROYED, WE'D
HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT BY GOING WITH THE CORRIDOR, YOU'RE
ACCOMMODATING BOTH. >> AND THEY SEEK THE
AMENDMENT? >> THAT WAS A REQUEST.
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYONE FROM GNT.
I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
LEAGUE BUT HAVE NOT HAD ANY RESPONSE ON THAT ISSUE.
>> I THINK IT'S A COMPROMISE THAT I PERSONALLY CAN LIVE
WITH. >> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU FRANK. >> MR. DUKE, IN REGARD TO THE
NO DISCHARGE ZONE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WASTE FROM
BOATS? >> YES.
>> NOW, THEN, ARE THERE FEDERAL OR STATE GUIDELINES
THAT ALREADY -- >> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN
PLACE RIGHT NOW. THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME
UP THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN, FROM THE
ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, AS WELL AS CITY'S STORM WATER STAFF
AND PUBLIC WORKS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO MEET THE TMDL, TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOADING
STANDARDS, FOR THE WATER ACT, AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS
THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO HELP ACHIEVE THAT, BUT I DON'T
KNOW THAT ANYONE INTENDED WE WOULD RUSH INTO THIS AND
DESIGNATE THESE WATER BODIES AS NO DISCHARGE ZONES.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE ALL
OF THE THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO POLLUTANT LOADING, AND
THEN REGULATE BASED ON THAT. >> SO THE BOATERS ARE
RESISTING? >> SOME OF THE MARINAS HAD
EXPRESSED CONCERN THEY DON'T HAVE SPACE TO DEAL WITH ALL
THE PUMP-OUT FACILITIES THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED.
THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO DO MORE OUTREACH BEFORE WE WENT
FORWARD. AND I THINK THEY WERE READING
THIS, WE WERE GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO DESIGNATE THEM
TOMORROW. THAT WAS NOT OUR INTENT AND I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S INTENT.
>> TWO OR THREE TIMES LAST SEASON, I WAS THINKING,
PORTIONS OF OCEAN VIEW WERE CLOSED.
>> YES, SIR. >> BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL
PROBLEMS. PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANY DISCHARGES ANYWHERE WITHIN
THAT -- THAT SUN BATHERS COULD COME INTO CONTACT WITH
OR WOULD SPILL INTO DRINKING WATER, SO I WOULD HOPE WE
WOULDN'T GIVE IN TO BOATERS. ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IS A
BOAT E. BUT I WOULD HOPE WE WOULDN'T GIVE IN TO BOATERS
BUT BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BATHERS IN OUR BEACHES IN THE
SUMMER AND ALSO OUR WATER. >> I WOULD SHARE YOUR CONCERN
THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO BE FOCUSED ON IMPROVING THE
QUALITY OF OUR WATERS. BUT I STILL DO BELIEVE THAT
OUR OBLIGATION IS TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND
ASCERTAIN EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE CAUSES OF THE POLLUTANT
LOAD THAT WE'RE SEEING, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD RECOMMEND THE
MODIFICATION TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND EXPLORE THAT AS
AN OPTION. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE
MEANTIME? THEY'D BE ABLE TO SPILL?
>> THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE BOUND BY WHATEVER REGULATIONS
THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE. BUT THE ISSUE WOULD BE THAT
WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A HEIGHTENED LEVEL, IF THAT IS
THE ANSWER TO ADDRESSING WATER QUALITY ISSUES.
>> THANK YOU. OKAY.
>> CAN WE VOTE ON THOSE AS A BLOCK RECOMMENDATION FOR AN
AMENDMENT TO IT? IT HAS TO BE A MOTION FROM
ONE OF US. CAN WE MOVE FOR IT TO BE
VOTED ON AS A BLOCK? >> YES.
YES. >> OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE
INCLUDED, IF WE ASKED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL PLAN
BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE PLAN? >> WHAT I HAD THOUGHT WAS
THAT THE PLAN, WITH THESE AMENDMENTS, WOULD BE VOTED
ON, LIKE WITH THE CONSENT, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEPARATE
SOMETHING OUT, YOU CERTAINLY CAN.
>> OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, OUR
FULL ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
>> MY NAME IS PETER SQUCARINI, 1592 RAWLES
AVENUE, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND
SERVICE. I'M HERE TO MAKE COMMENTS
ABOUT THE NO DISCHARGE ZONE THAT WE HAVE JUST HEARD.
THE CLARIFICATION SHOULD FIRST BE MADE, THERE IS NO
DISCHARGE OF ANY UNTREATED OR RAW SEWAGE FROM ANY BOATS
BECAUSE OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT 1972.
FEDERAL AND COAST GUARD APPROVED MARINE SANITATION
DEVICES, KNOWN AS TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO, TREAT THE
EFFLUENT TO A REDUCED LEVEL OF THE MICROBES THAT WE'RE
ALL CONCERNED ABOUT AND CURRENTLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH
FEDERAL STANDARDS. NOW, THE NO DISCHARGE ZONE,
YES, IT WOULD HAVE IMPACT ON THE BOATING COMMUNITY.
MY TIES HERE ARE I'M AN AVID BOATER, I KEEP MY BOAT UP ON
LAFAYETTE RIVER, AND I DO PAY PROPERTY TAXES ON IT.
I ALSO COME FROM THE COMMERCIAL MARINE INDUSTRY.
I'VE WORKED IN THIS PORT AS A COMMERCIAL MARINER, IN THE
TUG AND BARGE BUSINESS. THERE ARE MANY TUGS OUT
THERE. COMMERCIAL FISHING VESSELS,
HEAD BOATS. YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
THE IMPACT OF A NO DISCHARGE ZONE REQUIRING THEM TO HOLD
ALL EFFLUENT THAT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARDS
WILL IMPOSE SERIOUS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP ON THOSE TUGS,
FISHING VESSELS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL TRAPPINGS IN THIS
COMMERCIAL PORT AND CAUSE OPERATIONAL ISSUES FOR
PUMPING THEM OUT. SO CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO
POLLUTION OF RAW SEWAGE. THE REFERENCE BY MR. DUKE TO
THE RELATIVE SCALE OF THE PROBLEM IS QUITE APT.
RIGHT NOW, 99 PERCENT OF ALL THE MICROBIAL POLLUTANTS THAT
ENTER OUR WATERS COME FROM RUNOFF, PET WASTE, AND
WILDLIFE WASTE. LESS THAN 1 PERCENT OF THE
OTHERS CONTAIN BOATERS, SO BOATING CONTRIBUTES LESS THAN
1 PERCENT OF ANY OF THE MICROBIAL LOADING, AND THERE
ARE FEDERAL STANDARDS, TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO HEADS, THAT
BOATERS ARE COMPLYING WITH, AND TO IMPOSE THAT HARDSHIP,
WHICH WOULD BE BOTH ECONOMIC AND OPERATIONAL ENJOYMENT OF
THEIR BOATS, AND THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC, AT THIS
TIME IS, I FEEL, UNREASONABLE, AND LIKE
MR. DUKE, SHOULD BE SET TO A GOAL OF OUTREACH TO THE
COMMUNITY. LAST MONDAY, THERE WAS A
MEETING WITH THE ELIZABETH RIVER ASSOCIATION, WHICH WAS
TREMENDOUS, AND THE FAST CONSENSUS WAS TO GO WITH AN
OUTREACH TO THE BOATERS AND THE COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY AND
NOT AT THIS TIME DO A NO DISCHARGE ZONE UNTIL THERE IS
A BETTER HANDLE ON THE OTHER 99 PERCENT OF THE DISCHARGE
GOING ON. >> THANK YOU.
>> BUT I DO WANT TO ASSURE YOU, NO RAW SEWAGE IS GOING
INTO THE RIVER. >> THANK YOU.
JAMES O'BRIEN? GOOD EVENING.
I'M JAMES O'BRIEN. I LIVE AT 520 TALBOT HALL
ROAD IN NORFOLK. I'M REPRESENTING THE TALBOT
HALL FOUNDATION. I WANT TO THANK THOSE THAT
PARTICIPATED IN THE PLAN, PARTICULARLY CHAPTER 10,
PRESERVING OUR HERITAGE. THIS CHAPTER STATES NORFOLK
HAS A LONG AND RICH HISTORY REFLECTED IN ITS ARCHITECTURE
AND CULTURAL RESOURCES. WHILE MUCH HAS BEEN LOST DUE
TO URBAN RENEWAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, SOME
VERY SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC RESOURCES STILL REMAIN IN
NORFOLK. ONE OF THOSE IS TALBOT HALL.
TALBOT HALL IS A 200-YEAR-OLD PLANTATION HOUSE IN THE
TALBOT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS ONLY ONE OF A HANDFUL OF
EARLY PLANTATION HOMES LEFT IN NORFOLK AND THE ONLY ONE
WITH MOST OF ITS ORIGINAL YARD IN TACT.
PURCHASED IN 1774, WITH THE HOUSE CONSTRUCTED IN 1800, IT
WAS OWNED BY THE TALBOT FAMILY UNTIL 1954, WHEN THE
FAMILY GAVE THE PROPERTY TO THE EPISCOPAL DIOCESE OF
SOUTHERN VIRGINIA, WHICH HAS PRESERVED THE PROPERTY EVER
SINCE. IT IS ON THE BANKS OF
LAFAYETTE RIVER, WHICH ITSELF IS UNDERGOING RESTORATION.
IT HAS BEEN FOUND ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL
REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF
HISTORIC RESOURCES, AND IT WAS THE SITE OF A CONFEDERATE
ENCAMPMENT IN 1861 AND 1862. THE EPISCOPAL DIOCESE HAS
DETERMINED IT WILL SELL TALBOT HALL.
THE DIOCESE, WHICH HAS BEEN A GOOD STEWARD, HAS MADE IT
CLEAR IN PUBLIC MESSAGES AND IN PRIVATE COMMENTS THAT IT
HOPES TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY IN A WAY THAT WILL
PRESERVE THE HOUSE AND YARD. THERE ARE CONCERNS IN THE
COMMUNITY, HOWEVER, THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS LANDMARK
COULD BE AT RISK. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE LAND
COULD BE SOLD TO GENERATE CASH, EVEN IF THE HOUSE IS
PRESERVED. THE PROPERTY HAS NOT YET BEEN
PUT ON THE MARKET BUT IT IS LIKELY THAT IT WILL BE
SOMETIME THIS YEAR, PERHAPS EVEN THIS SUMMER.
THE PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY ZONED INSTITUTIONAL.
IT'S BEEN APPRAISED IN RECENT YEARS BY THE CITY AT ABOUT
$3.7 MILLION. THE TALBOT HALL FOUNDATION
WAS FORMED TO SERVE AS A COMMUNITY CATALYST, AND
HOLDER OF FUNDS WITH THE GOAL OF PRESERVING TALBOT HALL.
WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TO BUILD WIDELY REPRESENTATIVE
COMMUNITY COALITION TO ENSURE THAT TALBOT HALL AND ITS LAND
IS PROTECTED AND PRESERVED. WE BRING THIS MATTER TO THE
ATTENTION OF CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE PLAN NORFOLK 2030
CALLS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF SITES LIKE TALBOT HALL.
THE PLAN CALLS FOR AN INCREASED NUMBER OF HISTORIC
RESOURCES, INCLUDING STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT
NECESSARILY LOCATED WITHIN A LARGER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION WOULD CREATE A METHOD FOR
SUCH BUILDINGS TO BE RECOGNIZED AND OFFERED LOCAL
PROTECTION. PLAN NORFOLK 2030 CALLS FOR A
REVISION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR
DESIGNATION OF LOCAL LANDMARKS.
WE URGE THE COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT
TALBOT HALL, CONSIDER THE MANY WAYS THAT IT COULD
ENRICH THE CULTURAL LIFE OF THE CITY, AND FIND WAYS TO
HELP THE COMMUNITY TO PRESERVE IT.
FOR NOW, AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> ELLIS JAMES? >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MR. JONES.
MY NAME IS ELLIS W. JAMES. I'M A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF
NORFOLK. AND I WANT TO ADDRESS
SPECIFICALLY THE QUESTION THAT HAS SUDDENLY APPEARED ON
THE RADAR SCREEN. NO DISCHARGE ZONES.
I'D LIKE TO READ AWE COMMENT FROM THE GENERAL PLAN.
NO DISCHARGE ZONES OR WATER BODY INTO WHICH THE DISCHARGE
OF SEWAGE FROM ALL VESSELS IS COMPLETELY PROHIBITED.
THIS DESIGNATION ASSIGNED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
AGENCY MUST BE APPLIED FOR BY THE STATE FOLLOWING
DETERMINATION THAT THE BODY OF WATER REQUIRES GREATER
PROTECTION THAN CURRENT STANDARDS ALLOW.
FURTHER COMMENTS. UNDER THE ENCOURAGE ALL
MARINAS IN NORFOLK TO SEEK DESIGNATION AS VIRGINIA CLEAN
MARINAS, THE INTENT OF THE CLEAN MARINA PROGRAM IS TO
PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND EDUCATE MARINA OPERATORS
AND BOATERS ON WAYS TO MAINTAIN WATER QUALITY AND
PROTECT LIVING RESOURCES BY ADDRESSING ISSUES SUCH AS
UNCHECKED STORM WATER RUNOFF, DRIPS FROM FUEL DOCKS,
DISCHARGES FROM MARINE HEADS, AND FISH WASTE.
MARINAS THAT ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THESE ISSUES ARE
IDENTIFIED AS VIRGINIA CLEAN MARINAS.
THERE ARE 10 CLEAN MARINAS IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK ALREADY.
I HAVE HEARD NO GREAT OUTCRY OF ECONOMIC DEPRIVATION, AND
I WOULD SIMPLY CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT
EVERY SINGLE WATERWAY IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK IS IMPAIRED.
MY FRIENDS, THE BOATERS, NO ONE IS AIMING AT THE
RESPONSIBLE BOATERS. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO
LEAVE OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN WATER WAYS THAT
ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF QUALITY OF LIFE AND CLEAN WATERS FOR
THE CITY OF NORFOLK. I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO
CHANGE THE LANGUAGE. THIS PUTS US ON RECORD AS A
CITY, AND IT WAS DULY NOTED BY MR. RIDDICK JUST A FEW
MOMENTS AGO. THANK YOU MR. RIDDICK.
I WOULD URGE THAT WE KEEP THIS LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT
ADDRESSES THE REAL ISSUE IN THIS REVISION OF THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. NORFOLK'S WATER WAYS ARE ALL
IMPAIRED BY LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND SO THE CITY NEEDS TO GO ON RECORD AND THE STAFF HAS
DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. THERE WERE PLENTY OF HEARINGS
AND INPUT. AND I REALLY SOMEWHAT TAKE
OFFENSE AT THE LAST-MINUTE SUDDEN APPEARANCE OF GRAVE
CONCERN. WHERE WERE THESE FOLKS WHEN
WE HELD THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS, THE INFORMATIONAL
MEETINGS, AND SO ON? I WISH THEY HAD COME AND
SHARED THEIR CONCERNS THEN. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> ALTA ROBINSON?
>> MY NAME IS ALTA ROBINSON, MY ADDRESS IS 735 WEST --
>> [INAUDIBLE] >>
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON PLANS, NORFOLK 2030.
THIS PLAN IS A FINE GROUP OF ENCOURAGING, POLITICALLY
SWOLLEN WORDS WHICH TO SOME PEOPLE DON'T AMOUNT TO A HILL
OF BEANS. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN.
TAKE FOR EXAMPLE 2.4 ON PAGE EIGHT OF CHAPTER THREE TITLED
NEIGHBORHOODS OF CHOICE THAT EMBRACE PEOPLE FROM A
DIVERSITY OF INCOMES AND ETHNICITIES.
WELL, WE DON'T SEE MUCH ETHNIC DIVERSITY IN THE
PROJECT OF NRH8 WITH 90 PERCENT CORE BLACKS, NOR
ARE THEY A CHOICE BECAUSE IF PEOPLE LIVING THERE HAD A
CHOICE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY MOVE.
LOOK AT ACTION 2.4.3 ON THE SAME PAGE, WHERE IT STATES
SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF THE CREATIVE CLASS, AS THEY WORK
TO ENHANCE THE VIBE RANSY OF NORFOLK NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN
THERE ARE COMMENTS, CREATIVE CLASS TO DESCRIBE WORKERS IN
SCIENCE, ENGINEERING, EDUCATION, COMPUTER
PROGRAMMING, RESEARCH, ART, DESIGN, AND MEDIA.
WHO CREATED THIS CREATIVE CLASS?
SURE WASN'T THE POOR CLASS. BECAUSE THE POOR HAS TO
ATTEND CLASS AT THE NORFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
THIS PLAN DISCRIMINATES AND IT IS BIASED.
LET ME EXPLAIN. THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION IN
THE PLAN, CHAPTER 10, TITLED PRESERVING OUR HERITAGE.
YES, MY TAX DOLLARS ARE USED TO PRESERVE THEIR HERITAGE,
BUT NOT THE HERITAGE OF MY PEOPLE, BUT IT IS CALLED
OURS. THE HISTORY OF MY PEOPLE AND
HERITAGE OF MY PEOPLE HAS BEEN DESTROYED BECAUSE OF
RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AND CULTURAL DISCRIMINATION.
THE CITY HAS A HISTORY OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION WHICH
CONTINUES TO THIS PRESENT DATE, BUT UNDER THE DISGUISE
OF CULTURE. SOME LEADERSHIP OF THIS CITY
IS WISE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IS
AGAINST THE LAW, HOWEVER, IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO
CULTURALLY DISCRIMINATE OR BE CULTURALLY BIASED.
THIS PLAN TALKS ABOUT HISTORY AND CULTURE.
THE PLAN EXPRESSES CONCERNS FOR THE HARRISON OPERA HOUSE,
CHRYSLER HOWELL, CHRYSLER MUSEUM, HOME TO A WORLD
RENOWNED GLASS COLLECTION. WHOSE CULTURE IS THAT?
NOT MINE. BUT MY TAX DOLLARS ARE SPENT
ON THAT CULTURE, WHICH IS NOT MY CULTURE. THAT'S A CULTURE
OF BIAS. NORFOLK IS HISTORICALLY RICH
AND HISTORY IS BEING PRESERVED BUT NOT MY HISTORY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY TORE DOWN THE FIRST ACCREDITED
BLACK HIGH SCHOOL IN THE SOUTH, JOHN T. WEST, WHICH
HAD ONE BLACK GRADUATE IN 1915 AND THE SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATION CLAIMS TO HAVE NO RECORD OF THE NAMES OF
THAT GRADUATING CLASS. DO NOT SPEND MY TAX DOLLARS
ON THIS PLAN IN NORFOLK PLAN 2030.
A PERSON CAN SAY I'M BLACK, I BUY MY GOODS IN THE CITY OF
NORFOLK, PAY TAXES, WHICH MAKES ME A TAXPAYER.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT MENTIONED IN PLAN 2030.
ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, CHAPTER 12, UNDER THE
IMPLEMENTATION, THE NORFOLK GOAL IS TO ENABLE RESIDENT
TOSS KEEP OWNERSHIP OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW DOES THE CITY EXPECT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF MY
NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY HAVE EXCLUDED ME FROM THE PLAN
2030? THIS CITY IS NOT TAKING
OWNERSHIP OF ITS OWN SOCIALLY, ECONOMICALLY AND
EDUCATIONALLY COMMUNITIES WHICH IT HAS RESTRICTED TO
90 PERCENT BLACK BY EXCLUDING ME FROM THE PLAN.
A STATE OR FEDERAL MANDATE PUSHING FOR THE EXPEDIENCE OF
THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR NORFOLK, THIS PLAN NEEDS TO
BE TRADE FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO INCLUDE THE INPUT
OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED.
UNLESS THE CITY JUST PLANS TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THOSE
WHO HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE NORFOLK PLAN.
IN OTHER WORDS -- >> HOW CAN YOU PLAN -- HOW
CAN YOU -- HOW CAN YOU PLAN UNLESS YOU PLAN TO OUST US?
THANK YOU. MARTIN THOMAS, JUNIOR.
>> MARTIN THOMAS, JUNIOR, 7400 COLONY POINT ROAD.
>> I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING UP OUR NEW PLAN,
NORFOLK. THIS PLAN STARTED WELL BEFORE
MY APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ALMOST
THREE YEARS AGO. ABOUT HALF OF THE PLAN HAD
BEEN AXED AT THAT POINT. I GOT TO GIVE A LOT OF CREDIT
TO THE PLANNING STAFF, FRANK DUKE FOR THE WORK THEY DID,
COMMISSIONERS WHO SAT AND WORKED ON THIS PLAN WELL
BEFORE I WAS APPOINTED. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY
WORKED VERY HARD. IN FACT, ALL OF THE
COMMISSIONERS WORKED VERY HARD AS WELL.
WE ATTENDED SIX PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WERE LOCATED
THROUGHOUT THIS CITY. EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO BE INCLUDED. EVERYONE GAVE US INPUT.
WE HAD PAGES UPON PAGES OF SPREADSHEETS WITH COMMENTS TO
BE INCLUDED, WE WENT THROUGH THESE PLANS MONTH AFTER
MONTH. I CAN TELL YOU I'M VERY PROUD
TO WORK ON THIS PLAN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE
GUIDANCE FOR THE FUTURE. ONE PARTICULAR PART OF IT
THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS IS
GOING TO GUIDE US, DURING ONE OF THE PLANNING SESSIONS, A
COMMENT WAS RECEIVED FROM A CITIZEN.
SOMEONE WHO LIVED IN PARK PLACE.
AND THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE SOMEHOW TRY TO CONNECT THE
21ST STREET CORRIDOR WITH PARK PLACE.
AND IT WAS SUGGESTED, I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT WAS STAFF
OR CITIZENS, BUT IT CAME OUT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A
COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON COLONIAL AVENUE THAT WOULD
CONNECT PARK PLACE AND 21ST STREET, SO THE PEOPLE WOULD
HAVE A ROAD THAT WASN'T SO INDUSTRIAL, THAT WOULD ALLOW
TO YOU WALK BACK AND FORTH, MAYBE HAVE SHOPS AND
RESTAURANTS, AND THAT'S BEGINNING TO HAPPEN.
IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE, THE CHOP HOUSE HAS OPENED UP
AND HANSON BISCUIT HAS OPENED UP, ANOTHER GREAT LOCAL
RESTAURANT YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT.
THIS PLAN IS GOING TO ALLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND
THE CITY COUNCIL TO SEE THAT VISION, AND WHEN APPLICATIONS
COME BEFORE US, HOPEFULLY ACT ACCORDINGLY TO ENABLE THAT
COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR TO BECOME A REALITY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN, WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO
WAS INVOLVED. FRANK, I'VE GOT TO GIVE YOU A
WHOLE LOT OF CREDIT. EARL AND I HAVE AGREED, WE'RE
GOING TO TAKE YOU OUT AND BUY YOU A BRAU LATER ON!
>> ROBERT ***? >> VICE MAYOR, MEMBER OF THE
CITY COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR
SERVICE TO OUR CITY ON NORFOLK.
I'D LIKE TO DISPEL THE IDEA THAT IF YOU DON'T WEAR A
GREEN T-SHIRT, THAT YOU'RE NOT AVIDLY CONCERNED ABOUT
THE ENVIRONMENT. WE RECEIVED A BRIEFING, AS
MR. SQITZARINI NOTED, IT WAS SPONSORED BY THE ELIZABETH
RIVER PROJECT AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF NORFOLK STAFF.
LET'S FOCUS ON ONE POINT. FOR THE LAFAYETTE RIVER,
99 PERCENT -- THESE ARE NOT BOATERS' FIGURES, THESE ARE
THE FIGURES PRESENTED BY THE ELIZABETH RIVER PROJECT AND
THOSE FOLKS THAT CAME TOGETHER FOR THIS FORUM.
99 PERCENT OF THE POLLUTANTS IN THE LAFAYETTE RIVER ARE
MADE UP OF THREE THINGS: THE NUMBERS ARE 52 -- CORRECTION.
42 PERCENT ARE MADE UP OF ANIMAL WASTE.
THIS IS LARGE ANIMAL WASTE. DOGS, ESSENTIALLY.
3 PERCENT OF THE POLLUTANTS ARE MADE UP OF WILDLIFE.
WILDLIFE EXCREMENT. 54 PERCENT IS MADE UP OF
RUNOFF. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE
ABOUT BOATS IN THAT 99 PERCENT OF THE POLLUTANTS
BEING ATTRIBUTED TO THE LAFAYETTE RIVER.
NORFOLK, AS YOU KNOW, IS A LARGE CITY.
56 PERCENT OF NORFOLK IS LAND.
44 PERCENT IS WATER. AND I'M NOT LECTURING YOU.
YOU ALL KNOW THESE FIGURES MUCH BETTER THAN I DO.
LAFAYETTE RIVER IS A WATERSHED.
IT'S NOT JUST A BODY OF WATER ITSELF.
THE WATERSHED, WHICH INCLUDES VAST NEIGHBORHOODS IN
NORFOLK. MANY OF WHOM ARE SIMPLY
DISCONNECTED BY DISTANCE. FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE DON'T
REALLY THINK MUCH ABOUT THE LAFAYETTE RIVER AND THEY MAY
NOT THINK MUCH ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THEY MAY HAVE IN
THEIR DAILY LIVES ON THE LAFAYETTE RIVER WATER
QUALITY. I COMMEND MR. DUKE FOR
SUGGESTING HIS AMENDMENT. I AGREE WITH IT.
I AGREE WITH YOUR 2030 PLAN. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN,
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NO DISCHARGE ZONE.
IF YOU WERE TO TAKE ALL OF THE BOATS IN THE NORFOLK
YACHT AND COUNTRY CLUB, HAVE GENERALLY PRETTY SMART FOLKS
THERE, I WOULD CONTEND, HIGHER LEVEL TYPES OF BOATS,
GOOD SYSTEMS ON BOARD, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE
BOATS AND YOU WERE TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE RIVER, JUST
TAKE THEM OUT, AND THEN YOU WERE TO GO TO NITTINHULL
CREEK, THE OTHER LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF BOATS ON THE
LAFAYETTE, AND YOU WERE TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE WATER,
YOU WOULD MAKE NO IMPACT ON THE WATER QUALITY OF THE
LAFAYETTE RIVER. SO I COMMEND YOU TO STRIKE
THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE NO DISCHARGE ZONE IN THIS PLAN.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MARJORIE JACKSON? HI, I'M MARJORIE MAYFIELD
JACKSON, 1747 TATE TERRACE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE
ELIZABETH RIVER PROJECT. AND I WANT TO SAY, FIRST,
WE'RE DELIGHTED THAT THE DRAFT PLAN REFLECTS SO MANY
OF THE KEY GOALS AND STRATEGY THAT IS WE OUTLINED TOGETHER
WITH THE CITY IN OUR PLAN FOR RESTORING THE LAFAYETTE
RIVER. THAT RIVER IS COMING BACK,
AND IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SEE THE PROGRESS.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY PLANNING STAFF, THE
STRENGTHENED FOCUS ON ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY IN CHAPTER SIX,
YOU HAVE NOW MEANINGFUL METRICS FOR ENHANCED WATER
QUALITY, WE LIKE THAT YOU HAVE THE STORM WATER MASTER
PLAN SUPPORT, THE COMMITMENT TO INCREASE THE EXTENT OF
NATURAL AREAS ALONG THE WATERFRONT, ANIMAL WASTE,
CLEAN UNION STATION, IMPROVING WATER QUALITY, FREE
CANOPY COVER, ALL GREAT THINGS, AND WE APPRECIATE THE
EQUIPMENT TO WORK WITH OUR RIVERSTORE HOMES PROGRAM.
WE DO WANT TO CLARIFY HOW THE ELIZABETH PROJECT COMMISSION
DOES DIFFER FROM THE DRAFT PLAN WITH REGARD TO THE NO
DISCHARGE ZONE EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT.
OUR PLAN FOR THE LAFAYETTE RIVER WHICH WAS DEVELOPED BY
COMMUNITY CONSENSUS STATED ONLY THAT A FORUM SHOULD BE
HELD FOR VOTERS TO CONSIDER, WHETHER A NO DISCHARGE ZONE
IS APPROPRIATE, AND THIS WAS FOR THE LAFAYETTE ONLY.
NOT THE ENTIRE ELIZABETH RIVER.
AND TO IMPLEMENT THAT PART OF THE PLAN, WE HAVE FACILITATED
BOATER FORUMS TO CONSIDER THE TOPIC.
IT IS RATHER POLARIZED. THE LAST ONE WAS MARCH 18TH
AND THERE WAS GENERAL SUPPORT ACROSS THE GATHERING FOR A
TASK FORCE, WITH A CHARGE TO IMPROVE BOATER EDUCATION AND
ENFORCEMENT REGARDING EXISTING LAWS THAT PROHIBITED
THE DUMPING OF UNTREATED BOAT SEWAGE IN THE LAFAYETTE, MAKE
PUMPOUT OF SEWAGE EASY AND YEAR ROUND ON THE LAFAYETTE.
THERE WAS STRONG INTEREST IN FINDING FUNDING FOR THE
BOATER PUMPOUT ON THE LAFAYETTE AND TRY TO
ESTABLISH VARIABLE METRICS ABOUT THE IMPACTS.
YOU'VE HEARD FIGURES TONIGHT AND I REALLY THINK IT'S NOT
QUITE CLEAR WHAT THE IMPACT IS FROM BOATER DISCHARGES.
ANYWAY, WE SUPPORT THIS APPROACH WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT A NO DISCHARGE ZONE SHOULD STILL
BE CONSIDERED IF NO SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IS MADE
WITH THAT CHARGE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
NOW, WE MAKE NO RECOMMENDATION WHETHER A NO
DISCHARGE ZONE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE ENTIRE ELIZABETH
RIVER. THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT
NEEDS FURTHER RESEARCH AND DISCUSSION OF APPROPRIATENESS
AND PRACTICALITY, WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS,
REGULATOR, AND THE OTHER CITIES ON THE ELIZABETH.
THANK YOU. >> WHAT WAS YOUR NAME?
>> SORRY, MARJORIE MAYFIELD JACKSON.
>> THANK YOU. >> EARL FREELY?
>> MR. VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME IS EARLB.
FREELY, JR., I RESIDE AT 6325 REYNOLDS DRIVE IN NORFOLK.
AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I'VE
COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO ASK YOU TO SUPPORT OUR
PLAN THAT NORFOLK HAS PRESENTED.
I'M ENORMOUSLY PLEASED AND GRATIFIED TO HAVE HAD THE
PRIVILEGE OF BEING AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS PLAN FROM
THE VERY BEGINNING. OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR
YEARS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO TRY TO BRING
THIS PLAN TOGETHER, TO TRY TO CAPTURE A VISION OF OUR CITY
GOING FORWARD, AND HOW WE CAN USE THIS AS A BROAD ROAD MAP
TO OUR LAND USE DECISIONS. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
GUIDANCE. YOU'VE GIVEN US A REASONABLY
CLEAR ROAD MAP THAT WE CAN FOLLOW TO BRING SOMETHING
MEANINGFUL BEFORE YOU THAT YOU CAN ACT ON HOPEFULLY AND
WOULD ALSO EXPRESS YOUR ASPIRATIONS AND VISION FOR
THE CITY. WE ALSO ARE GRATEFUL AS WELL
FOR THE MANY CITIZENS WHO CHOSE TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME
INPUT WITH REGARD TO HOW THEY FORESAW OUR CITY EVOLVING
OVER THE YEARS, AND ENORMOUSLY PLEASED WITH MY
FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, MR. VICE
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ASK HIM TO STAND SO WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE
THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL IN WORKING WITH OUR EFFORTS
TO BRING THIS TO FRUITION. I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT,
TOO, TO NOTE OUR FORMER COMMISSIONER, MR. MARK
WOOLLY, PLAYED A VERY MAJOR ROLE IN THIS PRESENTATION, IN
PULLING THIS TOGETHER, AND FORMER VICE CHAIR, MS. SIBEL
STONE, AND I THINK SHE IS WITH US THIS EVENING AS WELL.
WE ARE APPRECIATIVE THAT WE HAVE SEEN THIS EXERCISE.
I CAN RECALL FROM GRADUATE SCHOOL, WE HAD MANY, MANY,
MANY CHAPTERS AND EXERCISES ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TO HAVE BEEN PART OF ONE FROM THE BEGINNING TO HOPEFULLY
NEARING AN END, IT IS REALLY A GRATIFICATION THAT IN THE
CIVIC EXERCISE THAT I THOUGHT I WOULD NEVER EXPERIENCE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND I THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING LEADERSHIP AS WE GO FORWARD.
>> >> GOOD EVENING VICE MAYOR,
MEMBERS OF NORFOLK CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, MARCUS
JONES, MY NAME IS PHILLIP HAWKINS, JUNIOR, AND I RESIDE
AT 3597 MISSISSIPPI AVENUE, CITY OF NORFOLK, I'M HERE TO
EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PROPOSED 20-YEAR PLAN, PLAN
NORFOLK 2030. I WAS PREVIOUSLY HERE A FEW
MONTHS AGO, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THE ITEMS
THAT WERE ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT NIGHT.
I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DECISION ABOUT THE MAYOR'S
SHIFTING OF THE BOATING, SOY WANTED TO COME BACK AND
CLARIFY AND AMPLIFY MY POSITION ON THIS
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR
CITIZENS NOW AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO COME.
>> BEFORE PLANNING THE CITY'S FUTURE, AS LEADERS, AND AS
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WE MUST FIRST UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
FACTS ARE OF OUR PAST, SO THAT WE WILL LEARN FROM THEM
TO MAKE PRUDENT FINANCIAL DECISION THAT IS WILL BENEFIT
THE CITIZENS IN OUR CITY, SO THIS PLAN IS JUST THAT.
IT'S JUST PAPER. IT IS NOT REAL UNTIL WE TAKE
ACTION ON IT. SO THAT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR
US TO RECOGNIZE THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST.
SO TONIGHT, I'M ASKING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING
COMMISSION TO CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER, AND ALSO,
ENGAGE OUR CITIZENS AND OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS TO FULFILL
THE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE FOR MANY YEARS TO IMPROVE ALL
OF OUR COMMUNITIES IN NORFOLK.
TODAY, THERE ARE MANY COMMUNITIES IN NORFOLK THAT
ARE STILL STRUGGLING TO REACH A MILESTONE, WHERE THEY CAN
BE TRULY VIEWED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD OF CHOICE.
I DO WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND
PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR ADDING
LIFE-LONG LEARNING TO THE LIST OF PRIORITIES FOR OUR
CITY. I AM A SCHOOL TEACHER IN
NORFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND TEACHING IS MY PASSION.
I ENJOY WHAT I DO. I'M A 15-YEAR TEACHING
VETERAN, AND I'M NOT IN IT FOR THE MONEY, BUT I STILL
HAVE TO LIVE, SO I APPRECIATE MAKING THAT A HIGHER PRIORITY
ON YOUR LIST OF INITIATIVES FOR OUR CITIES.
BUT UNTIL, IN TERMS OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, UNTIL NORFOLK
MAKES THE DECISION TO MAKE SCHOOLS AND EDUCATION THE
HIGHEST PRIORITY IN OUR GOVERNMENT, WE WILL CONTINUE
TO SEE OUR SYSTEM STRUGGLE TO REGAIN OUR POSITION IN THE
REGION, BOTH NATIONALLY AND GLOBALLY.
A WORLD CLASS EDUCATION AND GOOD PAYING JOBS AND CAREERS
GO HAND IN HAND. INDUSTRY WILL NOT LOCATE HERE
IN NORFOLK UNTIL WE GET THIS ISSUE RIGHT.
WHILE I SUPPORT FULLY FUNDING OUR SCHOOLS AT THIS TIME,
WHILE OUR ECONOMY IS STILL FRAGILE, I WILL NOT SUPPORT A
REAL ESTATE TAX INCREASE, WHICH I'VE BEEN HEARING, 2
CENTS FOR THE SCHOOLS, UNLESS WE KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY IS
SPECIFICALLY GOING TO GO AND IT'S PROTECTED UNDER
ORDINANCE. BECAUSE WE KNOW THE GENERAL
FUNDS, THE MONEY MAY BE TAKEN AWAY ON ANY GIVEN FISCAL
YEAR. IF WE CAN FIND MONEY TO PAY
FOR NEW HOTELS AND CONFERENCE CENTERS AND CHRYSLER AND
FACILITIES WHILE OUR SCHOOLS ARE FALLING APART WE SHOULD
BE ABLE TO FIND MORE MONEY AND DIG DEEPER FOR OUR
SCHOOLS AND CHILDREN IN NORFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
>> THANK YOU. >> CAN I CONCLUDE?
I WOULD LIKE TO CONCLUDE? >> PERFORM HAWKINS, YOU
SWITCHED TO ANOTHER ISSUE. >> THAT'S OKAY.
NO, I THINK IT'S STILL CONNECTED.
>> PLEASE. >> NO, THAT'S OKAY.
I JUST WANT -- WELL, I CAN E-MAIL IT.
AND I WILL COPY IT TO EVERYONE.
>> THANK YOU. >> BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
LIKE I SAID, THEY WILL BE LISTED.
MANY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, COMMUNITIES RELATED TO
NORFOLK REDEVELOPMENT HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.
THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. GENTLEMAN FROM -- EMORY?
GOOD EVENING, I'M JOAN MCHENRY, REPRESENTING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE. BEFORE I BEGIN MY COMMENTS
MAY I ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION AS TO THE AMENDMENT ON THE
TABLE REGARDING YARMOUTH STREET?
>> FRANK? >> THE YARMOUTH STREET IS
CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THE PLAN AS, I BELIEVE, RESIDENTIAL
MIXED, AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO -- WOULD TO BE DESIGNATE THAT
AS MULTI-FAMILY CORRIDOR, WHICH THE PLAN DEFINES AS THE
TOWNHOME DISTRICT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
PREVAILING PATTERN ON YARMOUTH STREET.
>> MAY I ALSO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, WOULD THAT
INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? >> DID WE DO THIS ALL
TOGETHER? DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER
CLARIFICATIONS? >> WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT SHE
IS GOING TO ASK -- >> DO YOU HAVE OTHER
CLARIFICATIONS? >> TECHNICALLY WHAT YOU WANT
IS RESIDENTIAL MIXED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE
TOWNHOME AND THE SINGLE FAMILY.
SO TECHNICALLY, THE RESIDENTIAL MIXED, THAT IT
WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE
DESIGNATION TO REFLECT IN THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF
YARMOUTH. >> OKAY.
>> WHAT WAS THE ANSWER? WE WOULD TREAT THAT AS
SOMEBODY THAT COULD BE DONE UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT I
WOULD NOTE AS MR. HAWKINS SAID, THE PLAN ITSELF IS NOT
SELF-EXECUTED. UNLESS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH
THE ORDINANCES AND THE ACTIONS THAT ARE CALLED
FORWARD IN, WHICH ALL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL WORK, NOTHING
WOULD CHANGE. SO THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD BE
ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE WOULD BE THROUGH ZONING
ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD DEAL WITH THE ACTUAL
USES THAT COULD GO THERE. >> JUST ONE LAST QUESTION OF
CLARIFICATION, THE CURRENT ZONING, IS IT CORRECT THAT IT
IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.
>> THAT IS CORRECT, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS PART OF
THE GINT HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> WHICH I BELIEVE IS --
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M JOAN MCHENRY, ON BEHALF
OF THE GINT NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE.
AS MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE NOTED, THIS HIT US AS A BIT
OF A SURPRISE. I DID CHECK WITH OUR
PRESIDENT AND SHE DID NOT GET THIS PROPOSAL.
ACTUALLY IT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME TO HER.
SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT OUR REQUEST IS,
THEN PERHAPS THAT IS NOT WITH THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL,
PERHAPS WE COULD DEFER ACTION ON ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES
UNTIL WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET THIS
THROUGH FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN YARMOUTH.
THIS HASN'T BEEN VETTED THROUGH THEM THROUGH THIS
PROCESS, AND THE IDEA TO HAVE THIS BE SINGLE FAMILY WHICH
IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING
WHICH IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY
IS THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL USE ALLOWED, WOULD BE CONSISTENT.
REGARDING THE YARMOUTH STREET, IT IS ZONED AS AN
HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY AND WE
BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY USE.
ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THAT, THAT IS IN THE GENERAL
PLAN, WE'D APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I'M
SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS QUESTIONS.
ALSO, IN OUR REQUEST, WE HAVE REQUESTED REGARDING DISTRICT
BOUNDARIES, WE HAVE ASKED TO TAKE TOWERS AND HAGUE MEDICAL
CENTER BE REUNITED WITH OUR DISTRICT, VIRGINIA MEDICAL
DISTRICT CENTER, AND IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD
AT DIFFERENT TIMES FROM NEIGHBORS, IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUPPORT THIS POSITION WE'VE PROVIDED YOU
INFORMATION FROM THE S.L. NUSSBAUM WEBSITE IN WHICH THE
HAGUE MEDICAL CENTER IS IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN THE
SUB MARKET OF ODU GINT. WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT NORFOLK
HAVE A FAIR SHARE PROGRAM MUCH LIKE NEW YORK CITY FOR
COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL SERVICES AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND AND
APPRECIATE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY
CLARIFIED AND CONFIRMED THAT NOTHING IN THE PLAN WOULD OR
COULD ALLOW COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USES TO EXPAND INTO THE
VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN GINT AND SIMPLY ASK THAT THAT
BE INCLUDED IN A BEEF MEMORIALIZING STATEMENT
WITHIN THE GREATER GINT PLAN. ALSO, EMBEDDED IN THE GENERAL
PLAN IS A PROPOSED SHIFT ON LAND USE POLICY AWAY FROM THE
USE OF DENSITY SO ENTIRELY NEW AND UNPROVEN METHOD OF
LAND USE CATEGORIES. WE'VE ALL HEARD SO MANY TIMES
FROM THE CITY MANAGER, A WELL MANAGED GOVERNMENT IS ONE
THAT IS NEITHER DRIVEN, AS SUCH WE ASK FAMILY PLANNING
OFFICIALS THE SOURCE AND STANDARD OF THE CHANGES, WHAT
THEY ARE MODELED THERE AND THE LOCALITIES WHERE I'VE
BEEN SUCCESSFULLY UTILIZED. IN RESPONSE, WE WERE TOLD
THERE WAS NO HANDY REFERENCE THAT COULD BE PROVIDED AND
SINCE WE RECEIVED NO OTHER INFORMATION WE ARE GENERALLY
CONCERNED IT SEEMS APPARENT THE PROPOSED LAND USE SCHEME
IS NOT BASED ON BEST PRACTICES BUT IS SIMPLY
EXPERIMENTAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
EXTRA TIME. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS
TO APPLICABLE HEARING ONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> WAIT A SECOND. >> THERE'S A LOT OF
DISCUSSION AHEAD. >> HOW DO WE WISH TO HANDLE
SOME OF THE -- THERE'S AT LEAST TWO DISCUSSIONS ON
AMENDMENTS, AND TWO -- I HAVE QUESTIONS ON WHERE THEY FIT
IN. SO I GUESS THE GENERAL
QUESTIONS WHERE TWO TOPICS FIT IN WOULD BE MORE
APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME, AND THEN A DISCUSSION ON THE
AMENDMENTS WOULD BE LATER? WOULD THAN CORRECT?
WHAT IS THE -- >> THAT SOUNDS SENSIBLE.
>> WITH REGARD TO -- >> HOW WOULD YOU WISH TO DO
IT, MR. PRESIDENT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE
ROLL, THEN AS WE MOVE THROUGH --
>> WELL, I HAVE TWO THAT ARE NOT MENTIONED, SO IT'S A
DIFFERENT -- A GOOD EXAMPLE IS TALBOT HALL.
THAT WAS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF -- DR. WHIBLEY AND I WERE
TALKING ABOUT TALBOT HALL BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY.
I'M CURIOUS WHERE THIS FITS IN.
I WENT IN AND QUICKLY PULLED IN --
>> FRANK, PLEASE. >> FRANK, WHERE WOULD IT FIT
IN? I PULLED UP CHAPTER 10 AND
MR. O'BRIEN MAKES A GREAT POINT, HOWEVER, WHEN I READ
CHAPTER 10, IT REALLY IS NOT SUPER SPECIFIC, AND I
UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS, AND I HAVE AN IDEA, BUT
TALBOT HALL IS A SIGNIFICANT FUTURE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO
THE CITY, AND WITH REGARD TO EVEN CLOSER TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, IT DOES HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
HISTORY. BUT WE'RE NOT NAMING
INDIVIDUAL HOUSES, PER SE, MUSEUMS, PER SE.
AT LEAST WHAT I LOOKED THROUGH IN CHAPTER 10.
>> THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ZONING
ORDINANCE DOES NOT GIVE US THAT ABILITY, SO THE LANGUAGE
THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN TALBOT HALL IS THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU
WERE GIVEN. REVISE THE ZONING ORDINANCE
TO PROVIDE FOR DESIGNATION OF LOCAL LANDMARKS.
>> HOW ARE WE GOING TO -- HOW DO WE MAKE THAT JUMP IN THE
FUTURE? >> WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON
ZONING ORDINANCE REVISIONS THAT WOULD BE -- AND ONE OF
THE ONES THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON, THAT GEORGE HOMEWOOD, HE
HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND
ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE ON IS THE REWRITE OF THE ZONING
ORDINANCE AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COMMITTEE HAS
RECOMMENDED IS A PARTICULAR PROVISION THAT WOULD ALLOW US
TO DESIGNATE INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS.
SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY THROUGH A ZONING ORDINANCE.
>> THAT BEING SAID NOW, AND THIS MAY INVOLVE THE THE CITY
ATTORNEY, LET'S ASSUME HYPOTHETICALLY THAT A
CONTRACT COMES DOWN TOMORROW THAT FITS WITH THE CERTAIN
ZONING REQUIREMENT THAT'S THERE.
I THINK IT WAS -- WAS IT INSTITUTIONAL?
>> YES. >> THAT BEING SAID, IF THAT
IS SOMETHING WE DO NOT WISH TO GO FORWARD WITH, WHAT CAN
WE DO TO STOP THAT? >> IF THE APPLICANT WERE
PROPERLY MOVING FORWARD WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD MEET
THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THEN WE
WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A WAY TO STOP IT.
>> OKAY. THEN WE CAN WE MOVE FAST ON
THIS ONE? >> WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AS
QUICKLY AS WE CAN ON THIS ONE.
HAFE IS TRYING TO FINISH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON
CHAPTER NINE. THEY'VE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING
ON IT. THEY HAVE DISCUSSED T THEY
HAVE DONE A PRELIMINARY VOTE. THEY ARE TRYING TO FINALIZE
EVERYTHING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
>> LET'S GET -- THIS IS REALLY -- THIS BOTHERS ME,
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE TALBOT HALL
DOES FIT IN THIS CHAPTER, AS MANY OF OUR HISTORIC
LANDMARKS ARE NOT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE VERY
QUICKLY ON THAT AND I I WOULD ASK THAT YOU MOVE ON THAT
QUICKLY TO GET THAT DONE. >> WE ARE MOVING AS QUICKLY
AS WE CAN AND STILL PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC
INPUT AND GOING THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES.
>> AND IT BE LEGAL. >> THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER
STATE LAW. >> GREAT.
I HAVE ONE OTHER GENERAL COMMENT.
MR. ROBINSON MADE A COMMENT INVOLVING THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, AND IF YOU COULD, IS THERE
ANYWHERE THAT YOU CAN DIRECT US OVERALL WITH REGARD TO
PRESERVATION OF HERITAGE INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY AS A
WHOLE? AND I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE
FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, MY GRANDFATHER CAME HERE AT A
VERY EARLY AGE, AND SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE ON CHURCH STREET.
AND MY FAMILY GREW UP ON OLNEY ROAD.
WHAT DO WE HAVE WITH REGARD TO PRESERVATION?
WHAT HE'S TALKING FOR US, WHAT CAN WE REFER TO IN THE
PLAN? >> YOU'VE GOT THE SAME ISSUES
ABOUT TRYING ENHANCE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC
RESOURCES AND WE ARE NOT BY ANY MEANS SUGGESTING THAT
THEY SHOULD JUST BE THE HISTORY OF THE MORE AFFLUENT
WHITE COMMUNITY, THAT IT DOES NEED TO REFLECT ALL OF OUR
HISTORY. THERE ARE PROVISIONS WITHIN
THE PLAN TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN BETTER UPDATE OUR
INVENTORY OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED IN YEARS.
IT IS WOEFULLY OUT OF DATE. THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE
EVERY DAY WE ARE LOSING POTENTIAL HISTORIC RESOURCES
SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T UPDATED AN INVENTORY OF WHAT
THEY ARE. SO THAT BEGINS TO BE A FIRST
STEP. IDENTIFY THEM.
THEN, LOOK AT THOSE THAT CAN BE PROTECTED.
>> AND THAT WOULD COVER THAT COMMUNITY AND OTHERS?
>> IT COVERS ALL COMMUNITIES, YES, SIR.
>> BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING?
>> SOMETHING THAT THE HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL
PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS DONE.
I KNOW WHEN WE WERE ADDING AT -- LOOKING AT ADDING MARKERS
THIS YEAR, WE MADE AN OUTREACH TO THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. WE GOT A FEW SUGGESTIONS, NOT
MANY. I'M HOPING TO GET MORE.
WE ARE TRYING IT GET -- TO GET CANNON BALLPARKERS, AND
WE KNOW WE HAVE RESOURCES THAT DESERVE THAT SAME MARKER
THAT WE PLACE ON A PLACE LIKE THE OLD CITY HALL THAT'S NOW
THE MACARTHUR MEMORIAL. >> THAT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT
OF COMMUNICATION ON OUR PART. >> I AGREE.
>> BETTER JOB WITH THAT AND BETTER OUTREACH.
THOSE ARE THE TWO GENERAL QUESTIONS I HAVE.
NOW ADDRESS THE AMENDMENTS, HOW DO WE STAND WITH THAT?
LET'S GO THROUGH THE PROPER FORMULA.
>> AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, IF YOU WOULD MOVE
-- OR MAKE THE MOTION. >> WAIT A MINUTE.
>> I THOUGHT WE WERE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT.
ARE WE SPATTING -- ARE WE SEPARATING THEM?
>> WE'RE GOING TO PULL THE AMENDMENT.
>> PULL THE GINT AMENDMENT, PUT THE OTHER THREE IN THERE.
>> AND VOTE IN BLOC. >> MR. ATTORNEY?
>> THE MOTION IS TO ELIMINATE, TAKE BACK OUT, THE
AMENDMENT ON YARMOUTH, SO THAT THE INITIAL DRAFT HAD IT
AS MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND THE INFORMAL SESSION, WE HAD
PROPOSED FOR YOU TO VOTE ON IT BECOMING MULTI-FAMILY
CORRIDORS. WHAT YOU'LL BE VOTING ON IS
YARMOUTH AS MIXED-USE RESIDENTIAL, THE CHANGES IN
NORVIEW THAT WERE GIVEN TO YOU, NO DISCHARGE ZONE
LANGUAGE THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU AND LIFE-LONG LEARNING,
SO IT WILL BE THE ORIGINAL DRAFT, PLUS THOSE THREE
AMENDMENTS IS WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON.
>> YARMOUTH IS STILL IN? >> NO, BUT IT WAS ORIGINAL.
>> THERE ARE CHANGES. >> IF THERE'S A CHANGE IT
WILL BE AMENDED LATER. >> BEING THE NO DISCHARGE
ZONE? >> SORRY PAUL.
>> NO DISCHARGE ZONE IS STILL IN?
>> IT IS, WITH THIS LANGUAGE. AND I THINK IT IS WHAT
EVERYBODY WAS ASKING, SO I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF
COMMON GROUND HERE, IT'S WORK WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO
EXPLORE POTENTIAL DESIGNATION OF NORFOLK'S WATER WAYS AS NO
DISCHARGE ZONE, AND SO IT'S AN EXPLORATION EXPRESSION IS
THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAD GIVEN TO YOU, IN THE INFORM
NATURAL SESSION. >> SO WHAT HAPPENS?
SO BOATERS WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCHARGE, OR THEY
DON'T? >> IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE
STATUS QUO. IT LEADS TO A FUTURE TIME FOR
THIS COUNCIL TO TAKE UP THE QUESTION, AND THE PLANNING
DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING THEY MEET WITH THE
STAKEHOLDERS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE GROUP
IS RECOMMENDING. SO THAT PRIOR TO THAT
QUESTION BEING BROUGHT BACK TO YOU, THERE WILL BE MORE
WORK. AND IT'S A QUESTION THAT WILL
BE NOT ANSWERED TONIGHT. TONIGHT IS JUST LET'S PLAN TO
TAKE IT UP LATER. >> IS THERE NO DISCHARGE
ZONE? >> THERE WAS A DISCHARGE
ZONE. >> I MEAN, WE GOT THESE
LETTERS FROM THE BOATING COMMUNITY, BUT ARE WE
CHANGING IT OR STICKING WITH THE NO DISCHARGE ZONE?
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M -- >> WE'RE DOING STATUS QUO.
>> IT'S JUST A WORDING. IT'S A WORDING OF WORKING
TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE. >> THIS IS WHAT DR. WHIBLEY
SAID, STATUS QUO IS NOT CHANGED, IT IS SOMETHING TO
IMPLORE AND -- TO EXPLORE AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU LATER
ON. >> SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS
IT NOW? >> YES.
>> WHAT IS THE STATUS QUO? >> I BELIEVE THAT ALL WE HAVE
IS THE FEDERAL LAWS. I THINK THAT AS THEY WERE
PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT, THOSE ARE PRETTY ADEQUATE,
THAT -- THOSE ARE PRETTY ACCURATE, THAT YOU CANNOT
CHARGE UNTREATED -- THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GET YOUR SEWAGE
TO A MUCH IMPROVED LEVEL, AND THE REPRESENTATION TONIGHT
WAS THAT IT'S RELATIVELY MINOR, SO THAT RIGHT NOW, IT
IS THE CLEAN WATER ACT THAT IS GOVERNING IT ON DISCHARGE.
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. THE ONLY LAW THAT I KNOW OF
PERTAINING TO IT. >> SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION
PUT IN THE CAVEAT OF THE NO DISCHARGE ZONE.
>> YES. >> I THINK PERSONALLY, YOU
KNOW, WHILE I TRUST THE MEMBERS OF THE BOATING
COMMUNITY, AND PROBABLY -- THEY ARE PROBABLY
RESPONSIBLE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD KEEP THE NO
DISCHARGE ZONE. IF NOT, 10 YEARS FROM NOW OUR
SUCCESSORS MIGHT REGRET IT. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT
IN. >> WHY DON'T WE SEPARATE THAT
LANGUAGE AND VOTE ON IT SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE
PLAN. >> VOTE IT, AND THE GENERAL
PLAN, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT. >> IN THE EFFORT TO
DISCOURAGE CLEAN ARRIVES, I JUST THINK THEY WANT TO GET
AT IT -- MECHANICALLY, SOME OF IT DOESN'T WORK, AND IT'S
NOT -- IT'S NOT FEASIBLE IN SOME CASES.
BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE NOW IS ENFORCING THE LAWS
THEY ALREADY HAVE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY
ENFORCES THEM AT ALL. I COULD BE WRONG.
>> I WOULD JUST VOTE ON THEM ALL SEPARATELY, CALL IT A
DAY. >> WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON
THEM SEPARATELY. I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON
THEM IN A BLOC. IT DOES OPEN THE
CONVERSATION, AGAIN, FOR US TO BEGIN THAT CONVERSATION
WITH THE BOATERS, BUT I THINK THAT THUS FAR, THEY'VE BEEN
RESPONSIBLE. SO JUST TO GET US MOVING IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OKAY.
WE'LL JUST VOTE ON IT IN A BLOC.
>> I WILL ASK, IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY
DISCUSSION ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS NO DISCHARGE
ZONE, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON IF THERE'S NO -- WHAT
EXACTLY IS BEING DISCHARGED BUT I GUESS THAT'S FOR
ANOTHER DAY. I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE
REPORTED BACK TO US. BECAUSE I WOULD HOPE THAT
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS.
>> YES, AND IT ALSO NEEDS TO INCLUDE BOATERS FROM ALL
PARTS OF NORFOLK, NOT JUST THE LAFAYETTE RIVER.
>> RIGHT. >> CAN WE GET -- ASK FRANK A
QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?
>> FRANK? >> WHY DON'T YOU JUST SIT UP
HERE IN THE FRONT! >> I APPRECIATE T I THINK
IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND I RESPECT THAT -- THAT'S I
DIDN'T ASKED WHAT HER NAME WAS.
IT SEEMS THAT SHE'S SAYING THE DISCUSSION HAS ALREADY
BEGUN AS TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE PLAN.
>> I THINK, THOUGH, WHEN I'M THINKING OF DISCHARGE AT
LAFAYETTE, I'M THINKING AT THE MOUTH OF THE LAFAYETTE.
I'M THINKING OF VIT. >> THE DISCHARGE -- THE NO
DISCHARGE ZONE WOULD BE DEALING WITH THE ENTIRE BODY
OF THE LAFAYETTE RIVER. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THE
CHANGE, IS EXACTLY THE LANGUAGE THAT MARJORIE
INDICATED THE LAFAYETTE RIVER PROJECT IS ALREADY PURSUING.
SHE SAID THAT WAS THE ONE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS IN
THE PLAN AND IS IN THEIR PLAN, SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY
DOING IS COMING WITH THE LANGUAGE I'VE PROPOSED TO
YOU, WOULD BE TO BRING OUR PLAN INTO FURTHER CONFORMITY
WITH WHAT THE LAFAYETTE RIVER PROJECT HAS SUGGESTED.
>> AS LONG AS IT'S IN CONFORMITY WITH THAT AND IT'S
UNDERSTOOD, AND IT SEEMS AS IF THE VOTERS ARE DOING WHAT
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND I DON'T SEE A LOT COMING FROM
OUR RECREATIONAL BOATERS. MY ISSUE IS TO I -- IS I SEE
IT COMING FROM WHAT MAY BE COMING OUT OF VIT.
>> AND I WOULD NOT DISAGREE, HAVING WORKED IN WATER
RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, THAT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE
CONTAMINANTS GETTING INTO THE WATER ARE COMING FROM STORM
WATER RUNOFF COMING OFF YARDS, COMING OFF OF CUT
WASTE, ANIMAL WASTE. SO I WOULD NOT DISAGREE WITH
THAT. BROADLY SPEAKING.
WITH THE NUMBERS THAT YOU WERE GIVEN EARLIER TODAY.
>> ALSO, IF WE VOTE FOR THIS AMENDMENT, IT'S TO CONTINUE
THE DISCUSSION, TO GET TO A PERFECT PLACE.
>> WE NEED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATURE
OF ALL OF THE CONTAMINANTS SO WE CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THE
CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY GETTING INTO THE
RIVERS AND IF WE DISCOVER THROUGH THE COURSE OF THAT
EFFORT, AND THE COURSE OF DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL THE
AFFECTED PARTIES, THAT IT IS COMING FROM THE BOATING
COMMUNITY, THEN WE SHOULD BE WORKING TO GO AFTER A MORE
STRINGENT REGULATION. >> OKAY.
AND THEN COMING BACK TO YARMOUTH, I BELIEVE IT WAS
ASKED THAT IT SHOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY.
IT IS NOT NOW. THE CURRENT AMENDMENT IS TO
MAKE IT WHAT? >> THE CURRENT ORDINANCE,
WHAT YOU HAD IN FRONT OF YOU, WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT AS
RESIDENTIAL MIXED. >> RIGHT.
>> WHICH IS EXPRESSLY INTENDED TO ADDRESS THOSE
AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE NO REAL PREVAILING LAND
USE PATTERN WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT
YARMOUTH, IT'S A MIX OF TWO-THIRDS TOWNHOME AND ONE
THIRD SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH I CONFIRMED THAT THIS
AFTERNOON, WHICH IS WHY THE PLANNING COMMISSION
RECOMMENDED IT BE RESIDENTIAL MIXED BUT NO SINGLE FORM.
>> THE RESIDENTIAL MIXED, DOES THAT SEEM AT SOME POINT
IT BECOMES AN APARTMENT? >> NO, IN ORDER TO BECOME AN
APARTMENT IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE SERIES OF
REVISIONS, AND FRANKLY, NONE OF THE PARCELS IN THAT AREA
HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE CAPACITY TO ADDRESS ORDINANCE
REQUIREMENTS FOR AN APARTMENT.
>> THANK YOU, FRANK. >> ALL RIGHTY.
>> THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME.
>> NO PROBLEM. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> DISPENSED BY THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCES AMENDED AND ADOPT. >> [ROLL CALLED]
>> I AM COMFORTABLE IN VOTING FOR THIS NOW, WITH THE IDEA
THAT IT WAS -- WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION IT CAN BE AMENDED
LATER. I COMPROMISED THAT WITH A
RESOUNDING CONFUSION. SO I'LL VOTE FOR THIS ONE.
>> WELL, I -- BEFORE I VOTE, I WANT TO BE UNDERSTOOD, I AM
MORE INCLINED TO A MORE RESTRICTIVE REQUEST THAT HAS
BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US TODAY. I UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT HERE.
I AM NOT INCLINED TO VOTE NO TO THESE BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT
IT SEEMS TO BE COMPROMISE, AND YOU KNOW THE ISSUE MUCH
BETTER THAN I DO IS WHY I ASKED.
HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE THAT I'M MORE INCLINED AT SOME
POINT ON YARMOUTH THAT WE LOOK CLOSER AND MAKE IT AS
TIGHT AS POSSIBLE, AS HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE
RESIDENTS THERE. THAT BEING SAID, AND FOR THE
OTHER ISSUES THAT I'VE RAISED IN DISCUSSION, I VOTE AYE.
>> MR. RIDDICK? >> AYE.
>> I'M GOING TO VOTE AYE AS WELL BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
POINT OUT THAT IN MY OPINION, MR. ROBINSON IS EXACTLY
CORRECT IN REGARD TO OUR APPARENT EXCLUSION OF OUR
PUBLIC HOUSING RESIDENTS. QUITE OFTEN OUR PUBLIC
HOUSING COMMUNITIES ARE OVERLOOKED UNTIL IT'S TIME
FOR THEM TO BE DEMOLISHED, AND LIKE MR. PROTOGYROU, I
WON'T VOTE NO SYMPATHY BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR
ASPECT WAS POINTED OUT QUITE CLEARLY, AND I JUST HOPE THAT
ALTHOUGH WE ARE ADOPTING THIS 2030 PLAN, THAT WE CAN
INCORPORATE FROM OUR BODY HERE THESE PUBLIC HOUSING
COMMUNITIES IN TERMS OF THEIR BEING A GREAT POLICY IN
NORFOLK. >> I WANTED TO THANK THE
PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AND HARD WORK WITH
THIS, BUT PARTICULARLY, SIBEL STONE AND MARTIN THOMAS, WHO
TOOK THE TIME, WHEN THIS WAS BEING DISCUSSED, TO MEET WITH
COMMUNITY LEADERS DOWN IN WARD FIVE TO MAKE SURE THEIR
CONCERNS WERE MET. I WILL THANK THEM LATER FOR
THE EAST BEACH HARBOR ZONE. THERE WAS SO MUCH FLEXIBILITY
WITH THIS AND DISCUSSION. THERE WAS AN AREA COMPLETELY
LEFT OUT OF THE PLAN AND THOSE CITIZENS PUT TOGETHER A
PLAN, AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND
THEY ADOPTED T THEY TOOK THE TIME TO DRAFT THE LANGUAGE,
PUT IT TOGETHER AND YOU ACCEPTED IT WITHOUT ANY
QUESTION, AND SO THERE WAS TRUE CITIZEN INPUT IN THIS,
WITH YOUR OUTREACH EFFORTS, AS WELL AS ALLOWING THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS.
IN FACT, I BELIEVE THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN VOTED ON A
LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE'VE DELAYED IT FOR TOO LONG,
MAINLY BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOWED OTHER INPUT INTO IT.
SO IT IS A LIVING AND BREATHING DOCUMENT, AS FRANK
HAS TOLD US. FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, IT
COULD BE AMENDED, IT CAN BE CHANGED.
IT PROBABLY WILL BE. AND SO I ENCOURAGE CITIZENS
TO CONTINUE LOOKING THROUGH AND IF YOU FIND AREAS THAT
NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, BRING IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION,
AND THEY WILL ADJUST IT. THEY WILL MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
SO I'M VERY PROUD OF THEIR EYE ON THIS.
>> DR. WHIBLEY? >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK
EVERYBODY, INCLUDING FRANK DUKE AND THE WHOLE PLANNING
COMMISSION. WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T PAY FOR
YOU THIS. >> HE'S INJURE BEST SUPPORTER
ON THAT. AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED IN
ALL OF THE OUTREACH SESSIONS THAT WERE MADE TO THE
COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE STAFF, WHO SPENT TIME AND PUT
THIS TOGETHER, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHO IS
NOT PAID, AND SPENT THEIR TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY,
AWAY FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE BUSINESSES, TO -- AND
SACRIFICE TO THEIR CITY, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT
I, TOO, WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. ROBINSON DOES BRING UP A
GOOD POINT, AS HE MOST OFTEN DOES WHEN HE SPEAKS BEFORE
COUNCIL. HE ALWAYS SAYS SOMETHING THAT
MAKES US GO HMMM. I THINK HE'S RIGHT.
SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE A PLACE FOR SOME OF THE
HISTORIC LANDMARKS, AND SOME OF THE HISTORIC
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ADDRESS, AS WELL AS OUR
PUBLIC HOUSING COMMUNITIES IN TERMS OF MAKING THOSE AREAS
MORE VIBRANT FOR ITS RESIDENTS.
AND TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN
SMIGIEL SAID, GO THROUGH THE PLAN, LOOK THROUGH THE PLAN,
IF YOU FIND DISCREPANCIES, PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS, DO SEND
IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT SEND IT TO US
AS WELL, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOUR IDEAS R. I'M
VERY INTERESTED IN HOW PEOPLE PERCEIVE THINGS, AND HOW --
THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES FROM A COMMUNITY AS I DID
VERSE AS OURS. SO WHILE YOU MAY NOT CONTACT
THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR MR. DUKE, E-MAIL ME OR THE
REST OF THE COUNCIL YOUR IDEAS.
WE WILL WORK THROUGH AND INCORPORATE THEM IN THE
LIVING, BREATHING PLAN,. >> MR. WINN?
THE COMMISSIONERS CAN TAKE SOME COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT
THEY WILL TURN OFF THE COMMISSION BEFORE THEY HAVE
TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE! THANK YOU TO THE PLANNINGS
COMMISSION. PUBLIC HEARINGS TWO.
>> THE APPLICATION OF CHAMPION FENCE FOR A CHANGE
OF ZONING TO CHANGE THE CONDITIONS OF PROPERTY ZONED
BY CONDITIONAL C-2 ON PROPERTY LOCATED 3515
COLONIAL AVENUE. >> ROBIN THOMAS, HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ORDINANCE TO REZONE PROPERTY
IN ORDER TO CHANGE CONDITIONS ON PROPERTY ZONED CONDITION
AT C-2. >> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT. >> [ROLL CALLED]
PUBLIC HEARING THREE, ON THE APPLICATION OF CITY PLANNING
COMMISSION TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY
OF NORFOLK 1992, ON A TEXT AMENDMENT TO REPEAL SECTION
10-10 AND REORDANE THE EAST BEACH HARBOR.
>> WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE TO SPEAK.
JOHN HARRIS? >> GOOD EVENING VICE MAYOR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME JOHN HARRIS, 3340 FAY
OAKS PLACE IN NORFOLK. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THIS
ZONING, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT DID APPEAR IN
THE LAST MINUTE WHERE THEY TOOK OUT THE PERMITTED USE OF
HOTEL, MOTEL, IN THAT AREA. OCEAN VIEW HAS A HISTORY, IT
ACTUALLY WAS THE VERY FIRST RESORT IN THE UNITED STATES,
AND OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE'VE TAKEN OUT MOST OF THOSE
OPTIONS AS FAR AS THE NICE HOTELS, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO
COME AS FAR AS TOURISTS AND VISITORS.
MOST EVERYONE HAS BEEN COMING INTO THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK
AREA. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE HOTELS, MOTELS.
I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU PUT BACK IN THAT PERMITTED USE
ALONG THAT HARBOR FRONT PROPERTY.
IT'S TO ME, EAST BEACH HAS WON MANY AWARDS FOR ITS
COMMUNITY, IT'S AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE MARINE IN THERE,
TO BRING IN TOURIST, TO BRING IN LARGER VESSELS.
BUT THERE'S NO PLACE FOR ANYBODY TO STAY OF ANY
QUALITY THAT'S IN THAT AREA. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE
TO COME VISIT. I HAVE A SMALL PARCEL, I'M A
LAND OWNER, I'VE BEEN IN THERE WAY BEFORE EAST BEACH
WAS EAST BEACH, AND IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN A VISION OF MINE
AND OTHER SMALL LAND OWNERS IN THERE TO PROMOTE THE
COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE A MEANS FOR OURSELVES TO MAKE A
LIVING AND ALSO, TO HELP BRING IN THE TOURIST BUSINESS
BACK INTO THE CITY OF NORFOLK, AND OUR OCEAN VIEW
BEACHES. I'VE TRAVELED TO MANY
LOCATIONS WITH THE -- WE BOUGHT INTO THE CONCEPT,
PARTICIPATED IN ALL OF THAT, AND AT THE END, WE BOUGHT THE
DREAM, BUT THE METHOD OF BEING TO ENACT THE ZONING
REQUIREMENTS JUST WASN'T THERE.
THE NEW ZONING DOES PERMIT IT.
AND I THINK IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING TAKE PLACE WITH THE
EXISTING BUSINESSES AND THOSE THAT HAVEN'T STARTED ONE.
>> AS A MEMBER OF THE BUILDERS GUILD IN EAST BEACH,
WE WENT TO MANY PLACES TO SEE HOW THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE
WORKING, WHICH CONSISTED OF IONS, WATER COLOR, SEASIDE,
HABERSHAM CELEBRATION, AND ALL THOSE PLACES, THEY HAD A
WAY OF ACCOMMODATING VISITORS.
THEY WANT VISITORS. PEOPLE LIKE US GO THERE SO WE
CAN BRING IT BACK HOME AND BUILD IT IN OUR OWN
LOCATIONS. THEREFORE, I AM JUST ASKING
IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING THAT USE AS A PERMITTED USE,
INSTEAD OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
WE ALREADY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATE.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> JIM GNASSE? >> HELLO, I'M KEN GNASSE, I
LIVE AT 8165 BAY, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE TO YOU VOTE FOR
THIS ORDINANCE. THIS WAS A LOT OF GIVE AND
TAKE FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, GEORGE HOMEWOOD, SIBEL STONE,
MANY PEOPLE WORKED VERY *** THIS, A COUPLE OF
COUNCILMEN STOOD UP AND DID HEAVY LIFTING FOR US.
SO WE THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
WE DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING WE WANTED.
WE HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH 71 UNITS PER ACRE,
MOVING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S NOT GOOD.
BUT YOU ALL FIXED IT AND THIS IS PART OF THE FIX.
CALL THE ROLL? >> [ROLL CALL] PUBLIC HEARING
FOUR HAS BEEN RECALLED? >> THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO
CONTINUE THIS ITEM, MR. PRESIDENT, FROM THE
APPLICANT. >> AND I BELIEVE THE DATE
THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED WAS APRIL 23?
>> YES. >> OKAY.
SO THE MOTION WILL BE TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING
TO APRIL 23RD. >> [ROLL CALL]
>> CONSENT AGENDA? >>
>> APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> [ROLL CALL] >> AND R-1?
>> R-1, AN ORDINANCE GRANTING SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE
AN ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT ON PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 9575 SHORE DRIVE BY 5-2 VOTE, PLANNING
COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
>> AND WILL WE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY.
IF NOT, CALL THE ROLL. >> THIS SPECIFIES
MR. PROTOGYROU. >> I WASN'T HERE.
>> THE NEGATIVE VOTES FORECAST BY MR. LAW AND
MR. FREELY. >> [ROLL CALL]
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN
DISCUSSING THIS SINCE THE MOJO BOONIES CAME UP, EACH
CIVICALLY WAS ASKED TO TAKE A POSITION ON THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTION IN WARD FIVE, AND OF THE 17 CIVIC LEAGUES, 14,
I HAVE BEEN QUOTING 15, BUT 14 OF THE 17 CIVIC LEAGUES
RESPONDED WITH ALLOWING WARD FIVE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO 2:00
A.M. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ANY
OPERATOR WHO COMES IN THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE
COMMUNITY AROUND THERE, AS ANY COMMUNITY IN NORFOLK IS
PRECIOUS, AND WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR YOU AS AN
OPERATOR AND MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP THE STANDARDS OF THE
COMMUNITY TOGETHER, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT
INVESTMENT AND IN THE AREA OF THE EAST OCEAN VIEW CIVIC
LEAGUE WHICH HAD OVER 60 MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE
MEETING, WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED, VOTING UNANIMOUSLY
TO SUPPORT A.G. GATORS AND THEIR INVESTMENT IN EAST
OCEAN VIEW. AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY? >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS? >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN? >> I HAVE MIXED EMOTIONS, AS
MOST OF YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
WE JUST GRANTED 1:00 TO MOJO BONES, SO I THINK WE'RE STILL
FRAJIT DOWN THERE. I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE
CONSISTENT. AND IF WE GRANT THIS, WHICH
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, SINCE IT'S DECIDED, WE OUGHT TO GET MOJO
BONES COME BACK AND GET 2:00. I THINK IT'S STILL EARLY.
I KNOW THAT THE SENTIMENT IS WE WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE
EQUAL, AND DO EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS, AND I
UNDERSTAND THAT, I UNDERSTAND COMPETITION, BUT AREAS ARE
DIFFERENT, AND OCEAN VIEW AND AREAS COME A LONG WAY, AND
THERE'S A LOT OF GRANDFATHERED USES THAT HAVE
CLOSED UP, AND 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A DIFFERENT
STORY. WE'VE DONE WELL, AND A.J.
GATORS IS A GREAT OPERATOR. I JUST HOPE WE'RE NOT MAKING
A MISTAKE HERE. THIS IS EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
I'M GOING TO VOTE AYE FOR IT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO -- WE
CAN HAVE MOJO, AND I HOPE WE HAVEN'T -- WE'VE WORKED A
LONG TIME TO BRING THIS IN, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE
RATIONALE IS RIGHT. BUT RATHER THAN -- IT'S
ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. I WILL VOTE AYE FOR IT.
>> OKAY. R-2, PLEASE.
>> ORDINANCE PERMITTING KELLAM GALLERIES TO ENROACH
4 FEET, MORE OR LESS, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AT 130 WEST
OLNEY ROAD WITH TWO AWNINGS. >> ROLL CALL]
>> R-3. >> ORDINANCE TO REPEAL
SECTIONS OF 25-653 AND AMEND AND REORDAIN 648, 650, 651,
652, 654 OF THE NORFOLK CITY CODE, AS TO ADD ONE NEW LEFT
TURN PROHIBITION, ONE NEW U-TURN PROHIBITION, ONE NEW
ONE-WAY STREET, 10 NEW STOP INTERSECTIONS, WILL BE
INTRODUCED IN WRITING. >> [ROLL CALL]
>> R-4. >> ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE
PURCHASE FROM SETH W. FARWELL OF CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 706 37TH STREET FOR THE SUM OF $3000, AUTHORIZING THE
CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT IN SUBSTANTIAL AT
CONFORMITY WITH THE MATERIALS AND CONDITIONS OF THE
ATTACHED PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AND AUTHORIZING THE
EXPENDITURE OF THE SUM OF $3800 FROM FUNDS HERETOFORE
APPROPRIATED TO PAY THE PURCHASE PRICE AND THE OTHER
TRANSACTION COSTS. >> [ROLL CALL]
>> AND OUR REGULAR AGENDA BUSINESS IS CONCLUDED.