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are a number of the nation's and he's and tell us about
uh... some people who are calorie were saying that no bother
spiraling
adelina
and getting out
but things pass in the net congress so well
of so already what about the adversary
axle x i
so more food and still is
marshall ganz either pretty prominent
organizing expert he worked with food rather than the united farm workers
he'd lectures at harvard now he advised the howard dean campaign and the
broccoli bomb a campaign and led training that was consulted on the
formation
of organizing for america which is
what became of the campaign's large
set of networks email and otherwise which was of course rolled into the
d_n_c_
and
and in some people feel never to be heard from much again
yes so was so uh...
was marshall saying that or bombers doing wrong
you don't heat spoke out
first in the summer and a widely circulated at federico wrote with peter
dryer where he took
all if air and by extension the white house and a lot of the progressive
community to task
for not organizing true
brought grassroots movement on health care in the economy
uh... and in particular he chided the the progressive her so-called
progressive groups that are based in washington
for going along
uh... that's rather inside base
ball washington d_c_ approach
to all the legislative battles that was in the summer and then he came back out
last week
how much of
some very interesting extended remarks that did not get it much play although i
think they should have and that's why i wrote this column
on the nation dot com
and he talked about how
to truly galvanized
reform the could be on the status quo you have to have a crisis
and a crisis is not really a crisis
what it felt by the poor marginalize the crisis one itself
by the powerful
uh... and that he was still critical of the plodding healthcare strategy because
it wasn't capitalizing
crisis it all
but rather trying to make deals with all of these groups that he's concerned will
still timidly support
any bills let alone the best bill possibles three things that are
that arise out of out of it was organizing for america so that's a
thirty million people eager for two that there were part of a bombing campaign
aims use in the setup
at is dancing
game today about the use affectively nips in its which he uses you explain
why not have should they have been used and what does he think there'd be used
for things that well one other thing he said i don't tell you a quote he said by
keeping all ok chi directly to the president grand when the president was
preparing a strategy of let's compromise of everyone
you're out in the field trying to mobilize people but you don't know
from rule under what circumstances and gin fizz yukio mobilize that way
and then he also says i'll read a quote all if a welder being in a very weird
positions
where they had no program there was nothing they work really fighting for so
there was no strategy
and they will reduce to getting people to make phone calls to legislators who
already supported their positions
and then activist that
was mobilizing something so for listeners
who get though though if they emailed or occasionally open them
you may find your in a blue districting you're being told
to call a member of again to support broad outlines of the health care bill
that number already supports
and that has a as an approach doesn't seem to do much
positively and then it has a cop-out because when you undermined the
credibility
and the communication on that list
you are demobilizing until i would think that so if they fall i'd written as you
know
written that that a lot of that goes back to the white house and how it box
or with a in from the start
but when you do that you're actually severing some of the movement's been
tied that were built up
uh... during two thousand right
they're doing on purpose limited they don't
if you really want to run make you know what or bombers set which is kind of an
insurgency campaign once you're in the white house uh...
change the way washington works not to play the game a little better as he said
in the campaign that for the change that
well you would use those guys against people who are against you right and to
actually connect change
but they use them to play patty cakes and just called democrats a good job
with the car right or wave
you know way to support the president of people who are reading upward that total
autre waste of time
and resources so that's right and i think it could have been you know bill
all personnel running again
mariam andrew
but if you think his pledge linkin
got my fellow moderates confused
and um...
but you've got a primary campaign down there he he's rate now over a million
dollars and a couple date on act blue
from a lot of progressive groups
no one would expect a sitting president to go in and personally intercede in a
primary battle and brock obama frankly never promised to do that kind of thing
on the campaign
but if not a stretch
i don't think
to have all it's a engaged in that kind of issue to pull their members to let
those people
the opportunities to engage it support the primary candidate that doesn't
involve the president time and maybe the president has better things to do is cut
but that's an area where
campaign
style brocco bomber activism
might have been more direct two more grass roots but now they don't even
met with its so we have to be careful to let them off the hook also by saying oh
that was never going to work there are also at the creative way they could have
weight and if they want
so afraid of the white house advisors of lvl uniting anyone in the democratic
establishment inside is worse than that because a lot more septic insuperable
exactly recently right and
because he doesn't really want to change government he was lying he wants the you
know
play the game a little better so and in his mind that's protect every democrat
establishment democrat there is a so now let's go to go to another part of what
his criticism here are more for his criticism
he prefers to those soulless key principle which by the way of course
issuing a lot of trouble and webex program
buffet are we going to get in trouble graham batao sure of course you know
i've been on a show and i hope you'll forgive me for that chain no it's ok
some over the finest rest in the country have like eric last for anyway
no unless he does not pull rising and the polarizing
tell us what that is a wonderful thing first
yeah i think is a great part of the end of the committee some people to kendall
disgusting how
first you always polarized to move people that creates the urgency for
action
but good organizers
are somewhat skeptical at in that they first polarized
and they build up an intensity an end
opponent or an enemy or something that you're fighting against in something
that you're fighting for and i can be somewhat divisive
and then you have to be realistic enough impractical enough
once you build power
could he polarizes entered
or make a deal
um and yet install many cases on health care as everyone knows we'll bomb a
strategy was quite the opposite that was all this talk about traveling before
you'd exercise rebuild power
i'm a little thing and i'm big things and i think they were strategically
in the administration to interest to polarize around for one example lowering
the page on medicare
with not only popular
uh... but it was something that it's opponent had previously supported so if
you fight that out over a couple weeks the people a joe lieberman who are on
record having supported and now are obstructing it look increasingly bad and
yet as everyone knows
with about a thirty six hours stretch from leaving complaining to the
administration dropping at that what sort of t_v_ opposite of what a limp he
would tell you to do
as a friend you would say you seamlessly polarizer supporters
us then
inviting others to do
polarizing forgetting rendering to throw check reverent
i got your show yeah odbc uh... looking a bit of a crazy rosie robert webber fit
for the fifth all right now to seriously that's a really important principle
because
and when i read that are in your piece i've thought on why that's really
important because
if you take the wind out of people sales and you say let's come buys compromise
compromise
ticket energy away from the organizing for america from your the people ready
to fight it cetera
and if you try to turn it on and say okay now let's get angry n
and do the same it doesn't make any sense this is not logical that size was
two things leading me to my final question
which is
or bomb i'm not know this at the end of this this is the kind of like with the
one oh one of the organizing in politics and sarah
it's mark when i read this site this as i get is wing
bates not that he was still but it's that
the objectives are what he says they are
the objective was to have a completely watered-down corporate spell
if you don't was your objective then hey wait a minute you do polar d polarize
first a polaroid is later and take the wind out of your supporters et cetera
sarah but he played a perfectly
you know it's a good question about it more for congressman for him
jay rockefeller claimed before the public option
until there was actually the chance to the public option might pass on
of at least possibly on reconciliation and then at those at the time but he
backed off that you know glenn greenwald painlessly fed well you've got a craving
but rarely is it it is
so obvious
uh... and took a blame the filibuster they blame the fifty m
pretending it's preventing them from doing things when in fact they don't
want to do those things because either
they don't care or they have other commitments other contributions and
donors in mind and i'm not saying we know for certain but something obviously
hell jay rockefeller
back from what he claimed his priority
i think with all bartlett's slightly more complicated because there are
example in the mystic front
where it seems that he would have one of the biggest stimulus and he was quick to
compromise but i wouldn't say that there was no interest whatsoever
you know in a different approach
and i think that his folks
expected to get a lot more credit for bipartisanship
and they've gotten as you know that was never something i thought was
really important to begin with
but they've they've got that by laying out that whole groom bio outreach
uh... that the establishment we've given them more room to maneuver in quite the
opposite they found
i think that by legitimizing
bipartisanship is a value on par with policy on par with jobs which it is not
hum actually being fed immediate narrative that now is hammering him for
trying to knock her down bow which i think is crazy so alright tells us why
are they on this is that
without a micro level i don't think obama comes in at least one hahahaha i'm
going to be a quarters and i will sell everything out
and i don't want a stimulus package the songs i want to be slow articulated a
lot of sugar tonight now everynight every by a way
and and on the micro level of this is i think the democrats probably do move
naively did what bipartisanship
but on the macro level when you look at the war overall picture
republicans never give a damn about bipartisanship and the democrats always
do yet what is the natural result of that
republicans get money from corporate sponsors democrats get money from
corporate sponsors
victims and the corporate sponsors an interest are the ones that benefit
either way and when you look at the bigger picture i'd just can't think that
in the long run that that's a
accords
i think that it it's its
this system self-selected
those people in those parties to produce this result
i think that that peace with it and i also think
we have seen a media culture
that has a huge involved in washington
which
has a second democracy
theory
it's not a theory about whether you can pass things with the folks who are in
government if this second theory that somehow
no matter what things are left legitimate when both parties are not
lined up for a bill dom and i do think that the fact that i do think that's
warped the political incentives in washington
it's especially frustrating right now in the democrats have such a large majority
we have such economic problems
but we do know this is a a tendency that goes back away but i'm not sure that
it's
solely corporate thinking overlaps with the distorted power of contributions in
our elections so i think those are two things overlapping i don't know that
there
driving each other directly
alright are melbourne mason
variation composition is always at u_n_ speculative earlier absolutely alright