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Welcome all for attending the Board of Governors meeting
and we will start with roll call Clarisa.
>> Manuel Baca. >> Here.
>> Jena Barrera. >> Here.
>> Geoffrey Baum. >> Here.
>> Natalie Berg. Joseph Bielanski Jr..
>> Here. >> Danny Hawkins. Lance Izumi.
>> Here. >> Deborah Malumed. Henry
Ramos. And Gary Reed. >> Here.
>> Thank you Clarisa. All right. I am pleased this
morning to have students from Mt. SAC and we have Mariano
leading them in the March and we have Ms. Morena and a student
Trustee at Mt. SAC and I'm going to ask her to lead us in the
Pledge of Allegiance. >> Repeat after me. I pledge
allegiance to the flag to the United States of America and to
the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you. I just have a few things to report and then I will
turn it over to our Chancellor. I want to thank Vice President
Jeff Baum for invitation to over to Sunnylands -- I guess earlier
this month. I had the opportunity to meet with Supreme
Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. As you know Justice Kennedy is
originally from California. Born in Sacramento, and he has a
particular interest in of course 2 as a Supreme Court Justice
insuring that we all understand the Constitution, the Bill of
Rights. He did spend some time the morning we met with students
from the college of the desert and talking about the Fifth
Amendment and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights but more
specifically we is interested in engaging the college leadership
and students in a discussion in the future so we will look
forward to more possibly an upcoming meeting, not with the
justice, but those that are working with him toward that
effort in educating on the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
I want to thank the Chancellor and Vice Chancellor Stewart and
Michael Magee for the work in Washington. It was a successful
one. We met with Barbara Boxer and spent time with us. It was
a very engaging discussion. I think it's -- you know, it was
extremely worth while trip in just making sure that the
members of Congress understand, the staff understand there
better the priorities the needs that the community colleges have
in this state and those particularly affecting students
and student aid. I want to make sure that of course we thank the
Governor for the recent appointment, two of them, and I
want to congratulate Vice President Jeff Baum on his
reappointment to the Board of Governors.
>> Thank you. [Applause]
>> And also very pleased to announce again that Cecilia
Estolano, the advisers in the Pasadena area has been named to
join us. She won't be here at 3 this meeting but expect her in
May and want to extend our congratulations to her and thank
the Governor for those appointments. We're going to be
joined this afternoon by President Napolitano of the
University of California, and Chancellor White, the head of
the California State Universities and we of course
all the members are very pleased that the Chancellor Brice Harris
has developed a very close relationship with these two
other segment leaders, and I think we can look forward to
great from them in the future and with they will turn it over
to the Chancellor. >> Thank you and members of the
board since we met last time I want to acknowledge a change in
our leadership at the right here. Michelle Goldberg -- used
to be our part time attorney has agreed to take on the job as
interim counsel and please join me in welcoming Michelle.
[Applause] I want to thank other members of
the Board of Governors that attended the legislative summit
and spent days in Washington D.C. and Vice Chancellor and
Member Malumed were with us also as well as a number of the
management team and a delegation from the State of California
that numbered nearly a hundred so it was a very good year in DC
and good conversations took place and I appreciate the Board
of Governors support. I also would report that I attended my
first meeting of the bipartisan task force on regulation in
Higher Education that was put together by four us Senator and
facilitated by the American 4 Council on Education. It's a
very interesting group that will look at the increasing
regulation with Higher Education and with the acts and financial
aid and that amount of regulation which is increasingly
burdensome takes a great deal of staff time and translates into
money that can't be put into training and learning so the ACE
and the four U.S. Senators are asking that we take a look at
regulation and what might be reduced or cut back so we could
spend more energy doing what we're supposed to be doing which
is teaching students. It's a pleasure to join Vice Chancellor
and President Baca and in the appointments to the board and
it's a wonderful opportunity and happened at a great time that
we're going to administer the oath to Vice President Baum so
I'm going to ask him to stand and I am going to repeat the
oath and ask that he repeat it. Please raise your hand. I,
Geoffrey Baum, will support and defend the Constitution of the
United States and the Constitution of the State of
California against all enemies foreign and domestic. That I
will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution
of the United States and the Constitution of the State of
California. That I take this obligation freely without any
mental reservation or purpose of evasion and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.
Congratulations. >> Thank you.
[Applause] >> I want to take this
opportunity to read to you just 5 a section of the Governor's
press release on the appointment of Vice President Baum.
Geoffrey L. Baum, 50, of Pasadena has been appointed to
the Board of Governors where he has served since 2008 and
Director of Communications and Public Affairs at the Foundation
Trust at Sunnylands since 2010 and an administrator at the
University of Southern California Annenberg
Communication and journalism and Executive Producer at CSPAN from
1999 to 2001 and Assistant Vice President at McKenna College.
Member Baum was President of the Pasadena Area Community College
Governing Board in 2006 and 2012 and earned a Master of Arts from
the University of Southern California. Again on behalf of
all of us on the board and California Community College.
Congratulations. >> Well thank you. If you give
me a chance I just would love to say something. First I am
indebted to the Governor. I had the opportunity to chat with him
and his Chief of Staff Nancy McFadden on a couple of
occasions and he is committed to advancing community colleges and
believes in the mission of community colleges and how
they're able to serve the people of California. One of the
things that was mentioned to me when I was called about the
appointment was that one of the things that impressed the
Governor was my enthusiasm for the service to community
colleges and it is deeply sincere. I feel there is no
higher mission to education and service than to invest in both
the young people and the 6 returning students and the
students of all ages in this state. It has been a wonderful
opportunity for me to provide public service and not only is
the mission something that I am passionate about, but Chancellor
your leadership and the leadership of your team have
made this a real joy and privilege and opportunity to
serve that as deeply rewarding and I am honored to have that
opportunity to continue in this capacity so thank you for that,
and thanks to my colleagues. I know President Baca has been a
role model for me and I got my fingers crossed that we will
continue in our service together going forward as well.
>> Thank you President Baca. That concludes my report.
>> Okay. Thank you both. Before we entertain a motion for
the consent calendar I want to remind us we have a couple
members missing this morning but in upcoming meetings if there
are issues that they wish to address of course with this
meeting we're always free to do so and those that are absent but
with they will entertain a motion to accept the Consent
Calendar. >> So moved.
>> Member Izumi and followed by Member Bielanski. Any
discussion? >>I would like to highlight a
few of the grants and I think again it's needing to be said
very publicly the kinds of things that we support and work
for, and the first one is the fact that there's grant money
going to FIC mat because the fiscal crisis and management
team has helped a lot of the 7 districts. I know they came to
Peralta and in that report people really got the message
more so than an external audit and it's great that there is
funding going to the Academic Senate for the California
Community College and just to know that, and there are three
grants in my passionate area which is DSPS and the Alternate
Tech Center and online captioning and transcription and
I think it's noted to what we're doing reaching out to students
with disabilities and others make use of these services and
the land one for the funds for AB 86 and Adult Ed as that moves
forward and to say some of the things grant funded are critical
and important to our colleges. >> Member Bielanski. If there
are no other comments we will approve that. Move to action
Item 2.1 and Los Rios Community College District and this
requires approval. >> Move approval.
>> Moved and seconded. Discussion.
>> We ask for the roll. Let me have Dan Torre give you a
background on this item. >> Thank you Chancellor,
President Baca, members of the board. This item requests
approval of the education center in West Sacramento. Just a
couple of notes on it. We know that West Sacramento is a
rapidly growing area. It's grown 50% between now and 2010
and the resources provided to the center are greatly needed
and it's our understanding it's the intent of the center to
provide a gateway to Sacramento City College for the students of
West Sacramento so with that in 8 mind we ask for your approval.
With me today to provide any more information that you
require on it is our administrator of facilities
Susan Yeager. >> Good morning. The center is
providing a wide rage of services and programs to the
population of West Sacramento and also a gateway to Sacramento
City College. It fits in with the long-term range plan of Los
Rios Community College District. They have four comprehensive
colleges and have establishing centers rather than additional
colleges. This would be their fourth center approval and take
the total number centers in the state up to 73.
>> We do have a member in the audience, the Mayor of West
Sacramento. Vice President Baum.
>> Recognized by members of the public.
>> Thank you Mr. President, members of the board and
particularly to the Chancellor. I am Christopher Cabaldon, the
Mayor of the city of West Sacramento. We are the
industrial part of the Sacramento region traditionally
one of the most low income areas of the region but also a major
job center, the third major job center in the region and the
second highest unemployment rate and could be solved through
community college services. When I became Mayor this was a
major priority for me and the Sacramento City College at the
time was offering classes at our high school in the evening and
enrollment was declining and declining and a lot of folks
took that as evidence there 9 wasn't an interest in education
in the community and a new Chancellor came on board,
Chancellor Harris and said no that's not what is going on
here. There is no complete program. You can't do anything
at this center. You can take one class and you're done and we
need to invest in education in the community like this and took
the lead in making that happen and getting the bond passed to
make it a reality and building the support and committing to
not just a educational center but the cornerstone of the
redevelopment one of the poorest parts of the city and this is an
anchor for a library, a community center, a senior
center, a preschool as part of the universal preschool program
in all of California, City Hall. We have a new transit line. All
of the lines go directly to this campus and a major factor in the
revitalization of a place and a people and we are proud and the
system should be proud of not just our community but in
economic development and throughout the region so thank
you very much for your support. >> Thank you Mayor. A pleasure
to have you here. Dan, just a question too. In real dollars
what is the difference to the district does it make to have
this designation made a center? >> Yes. Standing state approval
awards another 1.1 dollars through our state apportionment
so those dollars allow the center to expand the services to
the community. >> It also allows the district
to be eligible for capital outlay funding if there is
another state bond. 10 >> And that money is directed
towards what specifically? Is it more administrators,
facilities? >> I believe it's a combination
of programs in support for the community. There are certain
fixed costs that are involved in managing an institution.
Anytime you open the doors you have fixed costs whether it's
utility bills or administration or providing services and
programs for the community. It's all of a piece.
>> One last question. If this district gets an extra $1.1
million because of the designation does it come out of
somebody else's pocket? >> It comes in the schedule for
growth in the subsequent budget year. They won't be funding in
this current fiscal year and not until July 1 and that comes out
of the growth allocation in the budget that is provided. We are
working with the Department of Finance to change how that is
done. We think it insure considered a base cost in the
system so whatever growth dollars that are provided are
free and clear so that the regulatory obligations.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> Member Bielanski.
>> It's a procedural question beyond the Board of Governors
and Chancellor Harris may know but has this already gone as a
substantive change to the Accrediting Commission or is
that the next step or has it happened?
>> Yes. When you look at the development of these centers
facility approval by the Board of Governors and approval by the
Accrediting Commission can be 11 interchangeable. They happen at
different times. >> So it's happened already?
>> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Any other discussion? >>I would simply like to
acknowledge and introduce to the group the Vice President of
Instruction from Sacramento City College Mary Turner who is
reporting the college period today and John Sharp
representing the district and thank both of them and Deputy
Vice Chancellor Sharp announced his retirement, a horrible loss
for Los Rios and the State of California and thank you both
for being here and John for your service.
[Applause] >> Can the board take action
requiring John Sharp to keep his job?
>> We will make that contingent upon the vote.
>> Any other discussion? There being done indicate by saying
aye. >> Aye.
>> That is approved and we will now move to on information and
reports and Chancellor you have a couple nice introductions to
make here. >>I have two tremendous guests
and it's an honor and pleasure to have two of the university
leaders in the great State of California with us today.
Certainly both of them need no introduction but I will remind
you that Janet Napolitano is the President of the University of
California and Tim White the Chancellor of California State
University and I'm going to join them at the podium. We're going
to take a few minutes of your 12 time to give you an update on a
number of issues, and then certainly encourage and open up
for questions from the board so with that I'm going to ask
President Napolitano to begin the conversation as I join her.
>> Well, thank you and I assume this is on.
>> It's on. >> Great. It's my pleasure to
be here with you this afternoon. As you know the three of us have
been traveling together, meeting with our staffs really looking
at Higher Education is arranged in the State of California so we
jointly addressed the University of California Board of Regents
at its last meeting. We were before the legislature two weeks
ago and now before this board and we will finish with
Chancellor White's board in a couple of weeks. And I'm
pleased to be here because the critical importance that the
community colleges play in the constellation of California
Higher Education. Roughly 30% of the University of California
under graduates enter from our community colleges. For CSU I
think the percentage is even higher so simply you're very
important to us. You're also very important to the many
students seeking certificates and job training, the education
and training that you provide is critical, not only to improve
their competition in the job market but it's critical to the
employers who depend on a supply of skill well trained workers,
and you're important to local communities throughout the State
of California. Our community colleges are a focus of adult
education, a place where 13 students cannot enroll full time
or leave the local ties can continue to learn. We at the
University of California are very happy that the growth that
we're beginning to see in revenues within California
creates an opportunity for increased enrollment at the
community colleges. Because of the close interdependence among
our segments this growth creates a challenge for the University
of California and the state university system. We need to
be ready with a place for those community college students who
wish to transfer and who are qualified to do so. The
University of California did not reduce transfer enrollment
during the recent fiscal crisis. We kept the numbers up. In fact
our transfer numbers are higher now than before the recession
began but improving transfer isn't just about numbers. It's
about the ease with which community college students can
complete their community college work and transition either to
the state university or the University of California.
That's one of the key initiatives I have under taken
as president, focuses on streamlining and improving
community college transfer. The goals of the initiative are
straightforward. We want to facilitate moving students
through Higher Education more quickly, both important for
transfer students and students who enter as freshman. IT can
play a role here. We're looking how best to develop a web portal
that helps students track their own progress as they go through
Higher Education. Online 14 education can help as well but
it's not a magic bullet and we need to ensure that curriculum
are coordinated so transfers don't load up on unnecessary
units or repeat classes at arrives at CSU or the University
of California. This requires collaboration on building a
stronger relationship with our community colleges. We want
students who enter the community colleges with the intent to
transfer to view themselves from the beginning as university
students. This requires more outreach on a community college
campuses. We want to engage all of the campuses, all of the
community college campuses in meaningful and consistent ways.
This will include for example visits by myself and my
leadership team to the community colleges throughout the state in
the next several months. I'm actually giving one of the
commencement speeches at a college and I look forward to
doing that and discussing with you, hearing from my colleagues,
but discussing with what what our goals are. In this spirit
and before we turn to discussion I would like to make one final
point. The bottom line of all of our efforts as segment heads,
as board members, as Californians is very
straightforward. The people of California built our Higher
Education system. We need to protect it, build it and grow it
this year and the years to come and we're only going to be able
to grow it if we work together amongst all three of us so thank
you. >> Thank you President
Napolitano. 15 [Applause]
>> Well good afternoon. Brice thank you for having Janet and I
join you, President Baca and members of the board and to the
community college leadership staff it's a pleasure to be
here. I shared Janet's view of the importance of us doing
things academically and procedurally and on the business
side whenever and wherever we can. It just makes good sense
for California and Californians future. It's not about us and
the systems that we represent. It's for hope and opportunity
for the students of California and that's the unifying theme we
are working hard together at. As Janet suggested we have a
little bit over 50% of our in coming students in a given year
are transfers from the California Community College and
they typically have graduation rates better than some of native
graduation rates when you calculate them out at the four
and six year levels and I must shout out to your faculty at the
community colleges and the California State University that
worked hard with a transfer model curriculum and transferred
by the spotlight, if you will, of 1440 we are working hard and
making progress on the articulations between the
community colleges and the various Cal State campuses and
we are interested in working with you on a joint
communication protocol. I know that we have three segments in
front of the legislature seeking money to market and communicate
with the students in Social Media and other things and
knowing about the transfer 16 curriculum and once they know
they're there the chances are they will use them, and I'm
going to speak for a few moments on another way to meet the
capacity needs and degree needs going forward and that is about
rethinking how we run the business of the three
universities. Any savings on the administrative side can be
redirected immediately to the academic side or the student
supported is and really I think what joins us here is whenever
and wherever makes sense to join together to decrease costs or
increase effectiveness or both that we are interested in taking
a deep look at. Areas of procurement, areas of risk
management, areas of contract and services and CSU and UC have
been at this for a little bit and the community colleges are
welcoming recognizing that perhaps it's more complicated
from time to time with the district boards where many of
the day to day management decisions are made, but we had
program at CSU called "Synergy" and the UC had "Working Smarter"
and I helped with that from a campus point of view and we had
in July a shared service conference and enthusiastically
attended from the officials from both systems and we will invite
the community colleges be a partner in developing the next
agenda and participating as well, in addition to the shared
service we're interested in creating collaborations and
coalitions as well for coordinated and cooperative
procurement and the East Bay campus of Cal State has offered
to host that conference. The 17 three of us together anytime
that we can join all three of us and sometimes it's peer wise or
region wise and in the L.A. base and I know sub sections of our
system but that size enterprise has the robust ability to define
the market place. To define the marketplace by leveraging the
combined services and bring in contract services or products
that meet the base terms but at a lower cost per unit. We all
use -- maybe we don't use paper anymore but we used to but
pencils and things of that nature and lower the per unit
price and buy at a lower cost that is money saved and
redirected to the academic enterprise. We did this
recently on software licenses and why can't we go beyond the
UC and include the community colleges and we are using solar
panels on 23 of the campuses and as a system to lower the cost of
the Photovoltaic panels and it's common sense things we're trying
to do and redirect hundreds of millions of dollars collectively
to our students and faculty and staff and the communities.
Brice. >> Thank you Tim and Janet. I
have some comments but before I make those I want to make a
personal comment about my two colleagues. I just met Janet
for the first time a few months back and it was instructive that
we went and talked about transfer and I sat down at
table. She came in the room and sat next to me and I noticed
immediately she was wearing a California Community College pin
on the lapel which I thought spoke volumes and really it was
at her suggestion that we start 18 these joint meetings so this is
a woman who clearly walks the talk, and I can't say enough
about how much I value her as a colleagues and as a partner in
this endeavor and the same thing with Tim. He's modest. He
didn't tell you he's one of our graduates and went on to
graduate from the California State University system and
ultimately got his doctorate from the University of
California so we are responsible for getting this young man
started, and I think he's another one of our proud success
stories so when you have colleagues like Janet and Tim I
can't say enough about what that means for me leading the
community college system and the three of us working together. I
want to under score something Janet said a moment ago and that
is that we have been blessed by the legislature this year by the
Governor and his budget recommendation and we are begin
to restore some of the access that we have lost and as we do
that I want to underscore what both my colleagues said access
to a community college for those that want to transfer is
somewhat hallow unless they have the capacity to receive our
students when they complete their work at our colleges and
want to transfer, so we said that jointly in front of the
legislature last week and we will continue to carry that
message. I among the three of us am responsible for under
scoring the area of outreach. As you heard President
Napolitano say a moment ago we are going to ratchet that up
pretty dramatically, not just 19 outreach to the CSU and UC on
our campuses but all three of your systems getting further
down to high schools and middle school. We have projects at the
eighth grade level but have asked Superintendent Torlakson
to help us reach down into the seventh grade. We find too
often students develop an opinion fairly early that
college is just not in their future. They either can't
afford it or that they have the background to go to college and
we think the best way to change that attitude is work together
the three systems by reaching out to students at younger and
younger ages so that outreach area is one that we intend to
work on in the future, so again my sincere appreciation for my
colleagues being here today. That sort of concludes our
formal presentation. We would like to open it up to you for
questions. >> Well first of all President
Napolitano and Chancellor White thank you very much. It's a
pleasure to have you here this morning. We had with the UC,
the community colleges some really good work out of the
Transfer Alliance Program. Of course more recently with CSU
the build up in the AA transfer programs and the articulation
that has gone on between the community college and the CSU.
It's great to hear you talking about things beyond that because
the more closely we can work together indeed there is more
that we can do and systems work together for a variety of
reasons or don't work together for a variety of reasons but
certainly having the three of 20 you in the leadership capacity
that you hold at the top and being able to work as well
together as you have been and it's just the beginning, really
says a great deal about our Higher Education in California,
so I think we can all look forward to great cooperative
efforts between the -- among the CSU, the UC and the community
colleges so I congratulate you for the work that you have done
thus far and we certainly are here to support that, and with
they will open it up for comments or questions from
Member Izumi. >> Well, I would like to
reiterate President Baca's thanks to President Napolitano
and Chancellor White for taking the time out of your busy
schedules to come to us and talk on the board today and thank you
Chancellor Harris for setting this up allowing us to have this
discussion and I appreciate all of the remarks about transfer.
As you know the community colleges has its Student Success
Initiative where we're trying to better prepare our students for
your institutions and I'm glad that you're so willing to accept
our students. I'm just curious that as you mentioned President
Napolitano 30% of UC are transfer students and higher
percentage at CSU that we've got an accountability report card
that shows our our students are doing in the community colleges
and once they transfer to your institutions how do our students
do at CSU and UC and the first year students there and are
there things that we could do to even prepare them from your
standpoint? 21 >> I think from the UC
perspective when you look at time to graduation perhaps as a
measure. Once they are in there is no significant difference
between a transfer student from the community college versus one
who started at the university. With that being said what we are
concerned about are overlapping or redundant requirements
between community college and the university, so what we're
trying to do now is work to eliminate those. That's part of
the goal of having a web portal that focuses on a student from
the day they enter community college. It also goes to how
articulation agreements actually work on the ground, so but we
have -- like I said there is no significant difference between
transfers from the CC versus freshman that originate at the
university. >> It's an important question.
I think for the California State University the success in terms
of graduation rates for students who come out of the community
colleges either with an AA transfer degree or with just
maybe a bunch of credits under their belt without a degree or
certificate they tend to graduate at a higher rate, well
into the 70% but the question begs an issue that doesn't get
identified and that is fit. Particularly students that come
to the California State University whether straight out
of high school or out of the work place are students are
older than the traditional 18 to 20 something's on average. Many
of them are going to school part time. Maybe parents working one
or two jobs or even full time 22 jobs and attending so when you
transfer in and sort of reminds me when I was young I would get
to a social gathering late and I didn't fit because everybody had
been together for a couple of years already, if you will
metaphorically, so that is one of the things that we know in
particular for first generation students and students that come
from the lower economic strata of California and feeling
welcome, feeling supported that you fit is just as important if
you will as the academic preparedness and the ability to
do the academic work so we're a work in progress to figure out
how to make those students with 60 credits from the schools
equally welcomed if you come on the first year and have cohorts
and undergraduates. We reach out to the first year students.
I don't think we do such as good of job reaching out to the
transfer students and we will have more success when we get
that nut cracked as well. >> Thank you. Member Bielanski.
>> Just to say thank you for being here today. From my
perspective it's an honor that the three leaders from Higher
Education of California are sitting here and sitting in
other areas to make it known that from my perspective it
sounds like that we're not in silos. We're trying to break
those down and trying to make this about students who need an
education in order to be very valuable and important in
society because you need to be educated so I wanted to say
thank you for that because I think that the dialogue and the
commitment I think that speaks 23 to people when they see that and
it's like oh okay, and I do think as an Articulation Officer
that we do need to look at the streamlining; what happens when
students take all of the units that they don't need and they
don't know which school they're going to and the articulation is
so different from one school to a next and from the associate
degrees of transfer and the student knows as long as the CSU
is accepting that degree they won't be held to another
standard when they get to the university, so I just want to
keep saying they think this articulation piece and looking
at what students have to do -- lower division, most of which is
general education, and not that it has to be all of these really
fine point specific kinds of courses before they arrive
unless they're in engineering or one of the high unit majors, but
in general I just think that's important, and I think that
working -- doing this for our students is critical and I thank
you. Now, will you also be looking at the Master Plan for
California? >> I think we're going to need
to and I think California going to need to and I say this with a
little trepidation since I'm a new comer but I have the
perspective of a new look and the Master Plan are strong and
make a lot of sense but I think the logistics of the Master Plan
don't fit with today's reality, and one key example I would give
you is enrollment and enrollment planning. If we want more of
the young people to get a Higher Education then we need a place
for them to go and if they go to 24 the community college then we
need to have a place for them to go after that, and so that means
the legislature and the Governor -- they look at the support for
Higher Education in the state really need to be thinking about
math, just what is it going to require to have the capacity for
these young people so that they're properly prepared?
>> So as Brice said earlier I'm the epitome of the Master Plan
and still standing strong and rough around the edge
[INAUDIBLE] >> Yeah, can you work on my
elbow. I went to college and someone pointed out it the last
millennium and every course I took transferred to Fresno State
University and in 20091 of my boys finished the ATT degree
also there and all of the credits transferred to the East
Bay campus and another 60 got him a degree and now employed so
four year degree. Two years community college, two years Cal
State and works in film making with Indigo Films and when I
know it can work for a guy like me and my son Alex I know that
we can scale this thing up, and I think that's our challenge is
to communicate it -- to scale it up. Take the mystery out, and
share Janet's angst about capacity getting better in the
pipeline of education. This fall we turned away short 30,000
fully qualified California residential students whose
families have sacrificed and kids took AP classes and no room
at the inn and next fall bearing in changes in the funding we
will do the same thing and that seems to be a violation that we
all need to work together in one 25 voice in Sacramento at the
legislature office. We just can't treat Californians that
way. If we say stay in school, take these classes, work on the
week ends in the burn unit and do all of the things that
develop the human soul and not just the human mind and there is
no room for you at a campus and that say violation and as we
come back to the Master Plan we need to reiterate value based
principle and grounded and funded in a predictable and
meaningful way so we can all plan, that families can plan and
if we do that together it's more valuable than one voice at a
time. It's not about us, or this board or the Regents or the
Trustees and about the students in California and social
structure and economy. That's what this discussion is all
about. >> Thank you Chancellor you just
reminded me -- [Applause]
>> You reminded me that I got great counseling in the
community colleges as well and transfer all of my credits to
Cal State and if we Fullerton. >> If we could do that.
>> Vice President Baum. >> I would like to agree that
we're at the dawn of a new era in California education, the
fact that the systems are working at this time with the
new leadership and I not only praise President Napolitano and
Chancellor White but also their boards for the wisdom in
electing them to lead those systems and giving them the
support to engage with all three sectors. I think that's
something that we will be a 26 model, not only for California
for the future, but then for the nation and it will be good for
the nation. I wanted to pick up on the question about access
because that an issue that our students expressed to me in the
past that they do everything they're supposed to do and then
there's no room at the inn for them and especially when there
are so many impacted campuses at the Cal State, Cal State San
Diego, Fullerton and Pasadena and they can't get access where
they want to, so beyond asking the legislature and the Governor
to appropriate more funding, and you have mentioned is there ways
to increase efficiency so we can devote more resources to access?
Is there anything else in the pipeline to make sure there are
enough spots for the students available to transfer?
>> Speaking for the California State University system I think
of access -- in the old days we said access got you into
Fullerton. That doesn't really communicate what the issues are
today and so now I think about access as access to degree
completion and that means you have to get into Cal State
Fullerton, San Diego, any of the 23. When you get in you have to
access classes in the correct sequence in the time that fits
around perhaps a working schedule or a family care
schedule, things of that nature. You have to access faculty
members. You have to access financial aid professionals and
health care people. You have to access all the entire ecosystem
so how do we do that? Some things require human contact and
discussion. Some things could 27 be done better by using
technology so we're actually investing in a lot of electronic
advising technologies, course schedulers, things of this
nature, so could plug in -- I have to work Monday, Wednesday,
Friday 9 to 12 and on this day done at 4 and my major is
Biology and these are the classes I have taken and the
computer will tell me next semester you need to take these
classes. Here they're available around your other commitments of
life. Boom. Do you want to take this schedule or not? That
way we can get students using technology at a low cost of the
initial investment to figure out their matriculation plans and
for us capacity will be built by getting more students to degree
sooner. If you think about us as a pipeline. If we increase
graduation by 10% which is our goal for the next handful of
years that's 10% of 357,000 under graduate students, 450,000
total. That means 45,000 more students can enter at any given
moment by increasing the success ratios so that is one way to
build capacity. It doesn't require more money. It requires
more matriculation for our existing students using
technology, using online but that's not a silver bullet. It
works for some parts of the curriculum and some students and
maybe some students more and we have great work with the
technology and Algebra classes and different points in the
learning curve, different points of the background, different
points through the passage of the college experience can use
technology. It's up to us to 28 decide where we can use it cost
effectively and effective for the education piece so those are
the ways that we build capacity rather than going out with our
hand out but we are making progress. I think the systems
in the rest of California and the nation are still recovering
from the recession and even though the tides are turned and
there's more General Fund being invested I will now speak now
for the CSU we are several hundred million dollars below
where we were at 2008 even though we have more students now
than than and the issue that we're rolling in new money and
can do different things and has to be put in context and designs
things for the future using technology wherever and whenever
appropriate. >> Thank you.
>> Yeah, I would just like to make three points there because
I think that goes to -- we have to do our part. We just can't
be supplicants in Sacramento and give us more. That's not a
persuasive argument. When we look at what is our existing
capacity? Well, we know we have as we build out UC Merced we
will pick up 3500 more seats by 2020. We know that we currently
have on board 7500 students that we get no state funding but
because we didn't cut down on transfer students we have them
on our role we need to get caught up on those. We need to
work with Chancellor Harris in particular in terms what is the
future looking like? How many students are coming into the
Higher Education process? So we can see how many can move and
look at things sharing his 29 wizard scheduling technology I
need that for my schedule by the way, and other things that we
can do to facilitate students, and keep in mind that the more
we get students to their Bachelor's Degree in four years
opposed to five that effectively opens up another seat, so really
working with these students to get them through and what we
viewed as the traditional time as four years really opens up
capacity that we wouldn't otherwise have.
>> If I could add one more item to that? I think sometimes it's
confusing but reasonably funding these systems, not adequately,
but reasonably funding them would make the movement of
students through the systems much more efficient. Too often
students at a community college who can't get into a CSU or UC
stay at the community college taking more units. The same
thing can happen at a CSU or UC if they don't get that class
they take other classes so by grossly under funding the system
you exacerbate that and if the systems return if all three of
the systems are funded in just a more reasonable way I think
you will see through the students smoothed out and
opening up seats for other students in the future.
>> Just my last question. There are calls in our system from
various campuses that they want us to explore offering
Baccalaureate degrees and vocational subjects. What is
the best way to approach that question so we do it in
alignment opposed in a way that could be more dysfunctional?
>> Well, I think we want to see 30 the approach really in a
business setting. What is the needs assessment? What is --
not only short term but long-term, graphically
distribute, all of the things that go into a needs assessment
from a business perspective. And secondly I would think it
matters -- so -- that would lead to the question is there unmet
capacity that is a problem for the long run and short run
requires more production and then you get into a conversation
what is the most effective way financially and other
considerations to reach that? I am happy to be part of those
discussions and look at the entire ecosystem and one of the
areas in discussion recently is the area of nursing education.
Well, there's one thing about nursing education that is campus
based with laboratories and simulation labs and faculty and
not only the sciences but the art and practice of nursing.
Then that's the clinical sites and the clinical sites -- I know
this from my work in the UC before and established the first
medical school in California in 45 years in the inland Southern
California area is how many clinical sites are offering
training of physicians and for the example of nurses in the
current discussion are as important as how many sites on
campuses or throughout the communities, so I would say
let's make sure we go at this in the sense of understanding all
of the moving parts before making decisions is exactly the
right way to move forward and it comes down to how do we best
serve California's long-term 31 interest?
>> Well, in many ways the area of career technical education is
one that's a bit more complicated than our traditional
delivery but it's important as you both know -- all three of
you actually, but there's some movement along those lines, so
it will be interesting in the road ahead. I just want to add
something that Vice President Baum said and the Regents in the
CSU Trustees made wise decisions but I think we did as well.
Chancellor Reed. >> I guess my question is around
the labor market. We have to have jobs available for them in
the labor market and I am curious about California's
rebound, if you will. Are we aligning our programs with the
job market that is available today? Because I hear so many
people express concerns about the under employment issue.
That we have these college graduates with degrees but
they're not finding employment at their level of competency and
having to take lesser jobs to find work, and I am curious
working with California industry are we making some strides to
improve that relationship? >>I think that that alignment,
and really looking long-term about what California's needs
are is an important part of our planning and our enrollment
planning. You're never going to have a one to one relationship.
That's not how Higher Education, the job market works, but what
we do to make sure of is California as a state and as an
economy has position to thrive moving forward over the next
decades and we know we have 32 shortages. We need more coders
in the cyber world. We think that we probably need more
nurses. Might need to look at that a little further, and we
can tell based on statistics and other data developed, mostly
here in Sacramento, but other places as well, what some of the
pockets and needs are going to be, so the answer is we work to
align but not to pigeon hole because like I said there's
never a direct one to one job training aspect of things, but
there ought to be a kind of systemic wide look are we
generally producing students who will have a good opportunity
once they leave our institutions to get a good start.
>> I think my answer Mr. Reed is depends so it really depends
what the major is and what field they're interested in. For
example in hospitality and tourism we have several very
profound programs on many of our campuses which in any given year
provide 95% of the employees at the management level in
hospitality and tourism so there is strong alignment there. If
somebody is studying Poli-Sci or history or some of the majors in
the liberal arts or sciences or physical sciences they may go
into teaching or catapult that to go to law school or another
school and it's hard to track if that major lead to that career.
The big point never to lose track of in my judgment between
a college educated person and a person that is trained education
implies -- certainly they learned the A, B, C's of
whatever the minor is and learned communication, cultural
competence, problem solving, 33 team work, coming together when
they think they will see differences and finding
commonality and having a global perspective and the list goes on
and on and with those skill sets they can enter into professions
and disciplines of employment -- many more than we had in our
lives and in fields that don't even exist today and part of
what the CSU and UC are doing is preparing students capable of
migrating in a job market that is unlike the ones that we grew
up in and if we don't do that we will not available the
entrepreneurship and all of this that is part of California and I
suspect going forward. >>I would add -- sorry.
>> Go ahead. >> I would add in our career
technical programs we try to be very sensitive to the labor
market needs but they can change very quickly, and it is always a
risk that when you ramp up a program that the industry needs
for graduates in that area can change dramatically and we have
seen it a couple of times. We saw it in the '99-2000 period
with high-tech workers. We have seen it in nursing recently when
nurses put off their retirement so it is a very challenging mix
of getting the right program with what the labor market needs
are. However, I think that the other issue that we face is that
if these three systems are inadequately funded another
tremendous risk is that more and more Californians will go out of
state to get an education and maybe not come back so it's our
responsibility to know what the labor markets are going to be as
well as turn out the graduates 34 and it's keeping them in
California to get their education so they fill the
companies and the jobs that are needed. For example in
high-tech, in engineering, in health care if we can't offer
enough education in those areas, in those very important labor
demand areas students will go out of state to get those
degrees and certificates and they won't come back.
>> If I might add onto Brice's comments and said sufficient
resources and clearly that's a big piece of it and but also
predictably of the resources is a big piece so we know and do
long range planning on the campuses with the predictability
and the hard decision about fees and the credits in the community
colleges and tuition for the UC and the CSU. If a family knows
there is going to be incremental increases in the year after and
the next year a family can plan. I think as we talk about
resources it's as much how well are we using them? Can we
demonstrate we're as efficient and effective as possible or is
there another place to find more efficiencies?
>> Secondly what does it take to run the enterprise for
California's future? And there are costs coming from the state
or the students let's keep them modest, predictable so everyone
can plan. Make sure financial aid aligns with costs going
forward. I think that makes the system work together better than
the midyear -- oh my gosh X percent increase in something or
10% decrease in class availability because of a lack
of good planning so I think 35 planning, and doing every system
has its own way but staying connects makes sense to me.
>> Member Izumi. >> One of the challenges facing
our segment is basic skills proficiency and I had a question
maybe directed to Chancellor White. The CSU is the promoter
of the early assessment program in the 11th grade and ideally
that would have informed students they needed to bone up
so by the time they got to Higher Education that they would
have the proficiency in basic skills. I am curious now that
program has been going on for a while what you found and how
your relationship with K-12 has been in terms -- both of you in
reducing the needs for basic skills courses?
>> So the early assessment program has been a remarkable
success when done correctly so when it's administered and a
student is identified in the senior year, on track to be
eligible for university life but you need a little more
mathematics. Where it does fail is when the student doesn't take
the mathematics course and get senioritis and avoid that advice
to hone those skills and we will continue that program although
there was an administrative glitch this year with the Common
Core standards we will continue to have that assessment and
helps us and students a lot. We are ramping up the efforts on
summer bridge programs so students that come with some
needs, some college preparatory needs come to a campus for a few
weeks before they start in the fall to work on the basic
mathematics or writing. 36 One, it helps them with the
basic skills and perhaps again this is from the uniqueness of
our students and first generation and many are low
income if they spend a time on campus the shoulders go back,
the head goes up. I belong here. I am supported. I can do
this. And those that come out from a lack of opportunity
beyond things of their own doing often that enculturation -- I
can do this and part of the success so we're going to invest
in those programs as well because they really do
demonstrate market improvement in first and second year
persistence and shortening the time to degree.
>> Yes. And the summer bridge programs, things of that sort
are things that we're supporting as well. A further illustration
how the systems are aligning together. We are working with
the community college counselors themselves on what the advice
they should be giving students they're counseling. There is a
whole host of thing but the key thing is if they can get in
they're situated to do well, the admissions standards and making
sure they stay on track in high school and community college,
take the right courses, do well. Have transition help for them
and also some student affairs support for them when they
start, but then they can do it. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. Any other questions? Any final thoughts or comments?
I want to thank both of you for being here today and the
significant work you have done over your career and thank you
very much. Look forward to 37 having you back with us again.
Thank you Chancellor Harris for setting this up and wish us a
lot of luck. >> There you go. Thanks for
having us. [Applause]
>> We will now take a 10 minute break.