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>> ED WAS A SPORTSMAN FROM AN
EARLY AGE.
HIS LOVE OF HORSES CONTINUED
THROUGH THE YEARS AND HE PASSED
IT TO HIS GRANDDAUGHTERS.
HE ALSO EXCELLED -- HE ENJOYED
SKIING.
HERE AT GARNISH, GERMANY IN
1947.
CAROLINE A COLLEGE TENNIS
CHAMPION DID HER BEST TO TEACH
HIM THE GAME.
ED WAS NEVER AT A LOSS FOR AN
OUTLET FOR HIS ENERGY, HERE HE'S
SKIPPING ROCKS.
THE OFTEN SKATED, HERE IS ED
SKATING ON HIS DAUGHTERS FARM
BOND POND WITH HIS
GRANDCHILDREN.
ED HAD AN ARTISTIC SIDE.
AS YOUNGSTER HE WAS INTRIGUED BY
PHOTOGRAPHY.
HE FILMED HIS TRAVELS TO RUSSIA
AND TO THE MARCH ISLANDS IN THE
LATE 1950s.
ED INHERITED HIS MOTHER'S GIFT
OF MUSIC AND PLAYED THE PIANO
FROM AN EARLY AGE.
CLASSICAL MUSIC WAS HIS FORTE.
SHARED BY HIS WIFE, CAROLINE,
AND PASSEDD ON TO THEIR
DAUGHTER.
AND GRANDDAUGHTERS.
SALINE WAS ANOTHER OFFED --
SAILING WAS ANOTHER OF ED'S
PASSIONS.
WHILE IN NEW YORK HE BOUGHT A
SMALL SAILBOAT.
LATER HE SAILED WITH CHRIS
ANTHEMSON UP AND DOWN THE EAST
COAST AS WELL AS FINLAND.
IN HIS LAST YEARS HE SAILED IN
THE CARIBBEAN WITH MARTA
POST-DOCS DOING GENETIC RESEARCH
ON JELLY FISH.
IF THE SAILBOAT WAS NOT
AVAILABLE HE COULD STILL BE
FOUND OUT ON THE WATER.
IN 1947 ED JOINED THE ARMY AFTER
RIGOROUS BOOT CAMP HE WAS
STATIONED IN GERMANY.
LATER CAROLINE JOINED HIM AND
THEY TRAVELED THROUGHOUT EUROPE.
BACK IN THE U.S. HE FINISHEDDED
HIS Ph.D. AT THE MAYO CLINIC
AND THEN WENT TO THE BIG APPLE
TO WORK AT SLOAN-KETTERING.
HE ENJOYED LAB WORK FOR MANY
YEARS BUT EVEN MORE SO NOW.
IN 1950 E ED AND CAROLINE HAD A
DAUGHTER PRISCILLA.
PRISCILLA OR PIA AS OFTEN CALLED
WAS AT HIS SIDE, THIS WAS TRUE
FOR MANY YEARS.
IN 1953 ED AND CAROLINE HAD A
SON EDWARD CHRISTIAN, CALLED
***.
HERE IS ED WITH HIS FAMILY IN
1963.
IN 1979 ED WELCOMEDDED HIS FIRST
GRANDCHILD CAROLINE ELIZABETH.
ANOTHER GRANDCHILD, AMANDA WAS
BORN IN 1980.
NO LONGER ED, HE NOW ANSWERED TO
PAPA.
PAPA SHARED HIS LOVE OF THE FARM
WITH CAROLINE AND AMANDA.
A THIRD GRANDDAUGHTER, JOANNENA
WAS BORN IN 1993.
ED WATCHED HIS GRANDCHILDREN
GROW.
HERE THE PROUD GRANDFATHER IS
SHOWING OFF AMANDA'S PRIZE
WINNING SCIENCE FAIR PROJECT.
ED TRAVELED TO MOUNT HOLIOCE TO
SEE CAROLINE GRADUATE IN 2001.
IN 2003 HE PROUDLY WATCHED AS
AMANDA GRADUATED FROM UNBC WITH
PHI BETA KAPPA HONORS.
ED SIGN TIN I HAVE CREDENTIALS
ARE WELL KNOWN.
HIS RESEARCH IN UNDERCRYNOLOGY
WAS GROUND-BREAKING.
IN 1955 HE LEFT NEW YORK FOR
NIH.
HE WORKED LONG HOURS IN THE LAB
AND THAT LOVE OF BASIC SCIENCE
NEVER LEFT HIM.
HE FOSTERED THE WORK OF MANY WHO
LATER EARNED GREAT HONORS.
EVEN AFTER RETIRING HE CONTINUED
TO WORK WITH POST DOCS AND HIS
INTERESTS TURNED TO GENETICS AND
GENETIC SEQUENCING.
HIS FORMER POST DOCS LAST
VISITED HIM TWO MONTHS BEFORE HE
DIED, WANTS HIS FEEDBACK IN
EDITORIAL SKILLS BEFORE
PUBLISHING THEIR LATEST PAPER.
ED STILL REVELD IN GOOD
SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSIONS WITH
COLLEAGUES.
ED'S SCIENTIFIC PURSUITS TOOK
HIM TO THE MARSHALL LIE LANDS IN
1957 AND '59 TO RESEARCH THE
EFFECTS OF RADIATION.
HE RETURNED FOUR TIMES IN THE
1970s.
HE ALSO WAS PART OF THE FIRST
SCIENTIFIC EXCHANGE WITH THE
SOVIET UNION.
ED MADE LIFE-LONG FRIENDS WITH
HIS SCIENTIFIC COLLEAGUES ALL
OVER THE WORLD.
ONE OF MOST ENDURING
RELATIONSHIPS IS WITH JACK
ROBINS WHICH BEGAN IN NEW YORK
IN 1949.
OTHER GREAT FRIENDS WERE NINA
SABATRI FROM NAPLES,
(INDISCERNIBLE) FROM ENGLAND,
JESSIE ROLF, IRA PASTON, PSY
WALLMAN, MARIO ANDREOLLI AND
MANY, MANY MORE.
EVEN AS HIS HEALTH FAILED HE DID
NOT WANT TO MISS THE ANNUAL FAES
CHRISTMAS PARTY, THOUGH HE
PASSED AWAY TWO MONTHS LATER.
DR. EUGENE BRODY HIS OLD FRIEND
OF 60 YEARS DESCRIBED ED RALL AS
INDOCUMENTNAL.
YES HE COULD BE FIERCE AN
FRIGHTENING BUT THERE WAS
ANOTHER SIDE TO ED RALL.
HE COULD BE A WILD MAN.
ALWAYS L READY FOR A CHALLENGE,
SOMETHING NEW OR DIFFERENT,
NEVER AFRAID TO BE SOLLY, BUT
WHEN HE WAS MELLOW HE WAS VERY,
VERY MELLOW.
ED RALL LOVED THE ARTS.
THE SCIENCES AND KNOWLEDGE IN
GENERAL.
HE LIVED HIS LIFE TO THE FULLEST
UNTIL THE END.
FACING EVERY CHALLENGE WITH
COURAGE AND GRACE.
ED RALL DIED FEBRUARY 28th,
2008 WITH HIS FAMILY BY HIS
SIDE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT HAS BEEN I'M
SURE FOR SOME OF YOU A BIT OF A
LONG LINE TO GET IN AND MAYBE
YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT OF WAIT FOR
OTHERS.
I DON'T THINK I CAN RECALL EVER
SEEING THIS AUDITORIUM THIS FULL
AND I HAVE BEEN AT NIH FOR 20
YEARS.
SO THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE
PERSON WHO IS SITTING TO MY LEFT
WHO I THINK ALL OF YOU WANT TO
HEAR FROM.
HIS HOLINESS THE DALAI LAMA.
THIS IS ALSO A SPECIAL OCCASION
BECAUSE THIS IS
THE ANNUAL CULTURAL LECTURE AT
NIH WHICH IS GIVEN EVERY YEAR
THAT HONORS THE MEMORY OF ED RALL
SUCH AN IMPORTANT LEADER, A
MENTOR, A ROLE MODEL, FOR SO
MANY PEOPLE AT NIH AND HIS LONG
-- IN HIS LONG TIME HERE
SIGNIFICANT SCIENTIST WHO DID
MANY THINGS TO MAKE THIS PLACE
WHAT IT IS AND I KNOW THERE ARE
MANY MEMBERS OF THE RALL FAMILY
HERE, MAYBE I COULD ASK THEM TO
RAISE THEIR HANDS SO I CAN SEE
THEM.
RIGHT OVER HERE.
[APPLAUSE]
HIS HOLINESS THE 14th DALAI
LAMA WAS BORN IN 1935 TO A
FARMING FAMILY IN EASTERN TIBET
RECOGNIZED AT THE AGE OF 2 AS
THE REINCARNATION OF THE
PREVIOUS 13th DALAI LAMA.
HE DESCRIBES HIMSELF AS A SIMPLE
BUDDHIST MONK.
HE IS' A SPIRITUAL LEADER
OF THE TIBETAN
PEOPLE AND A MORAL VOICE FOR ALL
OF HUMANITY.
HIS COMMITMENTS AS ON HIS
WEBSITE PROMOTION OF HUMAN
VALUES OFTEN AS -- SUCH AS
COMPASSION, TOLERANCE,
CONTENTMENT SELF-DISCIPLINE,
PROMOTION OF RELIGIOUS HARMONY
AND UNDERSTANDING AMONG THE
WORLD'S MAJOR RELIGIOUS
TRADITIONS AN PRESERVATION OF
TIBET BUDDHIST CULTURE, A
CULTURE OF PEACE AN
NON-VIOLENCE.
YOU SEE RECEIVED THE NOBEL P
PEACE PRIZE IN 1989 FOR HIS
RESISTANTS TO THE USE OF
VIOLENCE IN HIS PEOPLE'S
STRUGGLE TO REGAIN THEIR
LIBERTY.
IN THAT ACCEPTANCE SPEECH HE
TALKED ABOUT SCIENCE, WHICH I
THINK IS INTERESTING FOR THIS
CROWD, WITH THE EVER GROWING
IMPACT OF SCIENCE ON OUR LIVES,
HE SAID, RELIGION AND
SPIRITUALTY HAVE A GREATER ROLE
TO PLAY REMINDING US OF OUR
HUMANITY.
THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION
BETWEEN THE TWO.
SINCE 1987 HE HAS HOSTED IN HIS
PLACE IN INDIA MIND AND LIFE
CONFERENCES WHICH FOR AOZ[
WEEK-LONG GATHERING BRING
TOGETHER SCIENTISTS
PHILOSOPHERS, BUDDHIST, MECHANIC
MONKS, MANY OTHERS TO TALK ABOUT
THE LIFE OF THE MINDS, TALK
ABOUT SCIENCE, TALK ABOUT ALL
THE DEEPER QUESTIONS THAT WE AT
NIH ARE ALSO PRETTY INTERESTED
IN.
AND IF YOU WANT TO READ MORE
ABOUT HIS VIEW, I HOPE YOU'LL
PICK UP A COPY OF HIS BOOK
CALLED THE UNIVERSE IN A SINGLE
ATOM.
IT CAME OUT TEN YEARS AGO BUT
READING THROUGH IT THE LAST FEW
DAYS, IT'S JUST AS FRESH NOW AS
IT WAS IN THAT TIME.
SO WE ARE I THINK INCREDIBLY
FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM WITH US
AND I WILL GET OUT OF THE WAY
NOW AND INVITE HIS HOLINESS TO
SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS TO SHARE
WITH THIS DISTINGUISHED GROUP OF
SCIENTISTS, AND THEN WE'LL
ENGAGE IN A BIT OF A DIALOGUE
BASED POP QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL
SUBMITTED BY EMAIL WHICH I HAVE
IN A LITTLE COLLECTION HERE,
WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.
YOUR HOLINESS.
>> INDEED.
I'M EXTREMELY HAPPY.
THIS FAMOUS INSTITUTION, FEEL IT
AN HONOR.
IS IT WORKING?
>> THE FIRST TIME, THE
CONTROLLER IS HERE, SO
CONTROLLER DAMAGE -- NOW I
LEARNED CHANGE CONTROLLER.
I WANT TO KNOW MORE FROM
EVERYTHING, HOW IT WORK.
-- WHAT MECHANISM.
REALLY WONDERFUL.
AND THEN THAT -- I DON'T WANT TO
CAUSE DAMAGE AND THEN THE WOMAN,
BUT HER EYES VERY FRESH AND
POSITIVE.
>> HIS HOLINESS SAW A
DEMONSTRATION A FEW MINUTES AGO
OF A 13-YEAR-OLD WITH CEREBRAL
PALSY WHO IS IN REHABILITATION
LAB WITH SOME HIGH-TECH ANALYSES
OF HOW HER MOTHER MOTOR PROBLEMS
CONNECT WITH THE BRAIN AND
TRAINING ON THE E RIPPLECAL AND
OTHER THINGS THEY'RE DOING IS
IMPROVING HER LEGS FUNCTIONING
AND MAYBE REPROGRAMMING THE
MOTOR PART OF HER BRAIN.
>> SO IS ONE CONFIRM AS MY
BELIEF, SCIENCE TRULY IS MAKING
CONTRIBUTION FOR WELL BEING.
VERY WONDERFUL.
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY I WATCH
SINCE MY CHILDHOOD, I HAVE KEEN
INTEREST.
ACTUALLY I'M HAPPY TO SPEND MORE
TIME WITH MY MISSIONS SICK
GENERATOR SO QUITE OFTEN BROKE,
IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
SO INSTEAD OF SPEND MORE TIME
FOR READING OF STUDY TEST, I
PREFER SOME MANUAL WORK.
[LAUGHTER]
>> SO I DEVELOP INTEREST IN
TECHNOLOGY, THESE THINGS.
I GOT SOME SMALL MISSIONS,
MAINLY TOYS THAT CAN MOVE LIKE
THAT.
THEN I PLAY A FEW MOMENT BUT
THEN MY CURIOSITY I ALWAYS OPEN
DISMANTEL AND HOW IT WORK.
SO THEN 1954 WHEN I WAS IN
PEKING, CHINA, WHEN I -- WHEN WE
VISIT DIFFERENT FACTORIES HUGE
HYDROELECTRICITY, AND THEN ALSO
DIFFERENT -- MOST OF DELEGATION,
OLD OFFICIALS AND ALSO INCLUDING
MY TWO TUTORS I THINK I WAS THE
ONLY PERSON FULLY ALERT TO SEE
HOW IT WORK.
SO THEN AFTER I HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY MEETING WITH MORE
SCIENTISTS AFTER YEARS WE WERE
IN A MEETING WITH SCIENTISTS,
REALLY WONDERFUL.
I MAY HAVE MENTIONED ONE GOOD
THING IS OF COURSE THEIR
KNOWLEDGE MAKE TREMENDOUS
CONTRIBUTION FOR HUMAN WELL
BEING.
ALSO I NOTICE OTHER SCIENTISTS
DID NOT CARE WHAT WHAT
NATIONALITY OR COLOR OR, I THINK
GENUINE -- IT'S WONDERFUL.
I RECEIVED DRAWING BY SOME YOUNG
CHILDREN, I OPEN THE DRAWING BY
CHILDREN.
ONE WORLD, CHILDREN.
I REALLY SUGGEST MUCH STRONGER I
MYSELF TOTALLY DEDICATED
PROMOTION OF SENSE OF ONENESS OF
7 BILLION HUMAN BEINGS.
I'M ONE OF THEM.
SO IF WE HAVE ON THE BASIS OF
SENSE OF ONENESS OF HUMANITY, I
WANT HAPPY LIFE, THEY ALSO WANT
HAPPY LIFE.
ON THAT UNDERSTANDING HOW CAN WE
CREATE MORE -- OR FORGET OTHER'S
WELL BEING?
SO THE ATTITUDE, DON'T CARE
OTHERS PLIGHT.
SO THIS CHILDREN'S DRAWING, I
REALLY FELT THIS IS A SIGN OF
HOPE.
SOMETIMES ELDER PEOPLE YOU MAY
BE EXCEPTION, SOMETIMES WE OLD
PEOPLE TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON
FAITH WHAT FAITH, WHAT RACE,
WHAT COLOR, WHAT NATIONALITY.
TOO MUCH TALK ABOUT WE AND THEY
AND FRIEND, ALLY,keá ENEMY.
THIS IS ALSO ADDITIONAL PROBLEM.
SO SCIENTISTS REALLY YOU SEE
DIFFERENCE -- THE SCIENTIST HAVE
MORE INTERNATIONAL SPIRIT WHERE
YOU DOWN PLAY THE INDIVIDUAL
SECONDARY LEVEL DIFFERENCES.
>> THIS DRAWING BY THOSE
CHILDREN IS WONDERFUL.
>> THESE WERE CHILDREN AT THE
CHILDREN'S INN WHO WERE ASK
ASKED YESTERDAY TO MAKE SOME
DRAWINGS FOR HIS HOLINESS, VERY
TOUCHING SERIES OF DRAWINGS THAT
HE NOW WILL TAKE WITH HIM.
>> IN THE MEANTIME, I ADMIRE
SCIENCE.
DEEP RESPECT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME I ALSO FEEL
SCIENCE ALOAN LIMITATION OR FEEL
OF SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE
CERTAIN METHOD OF RESEARCH
MAINLY MEASUREMENT AND
CALCULATION BUT MAINLY DEPEND ON
TWO, THREE PERSONS OR THIRD
PERSON OBSERVATION.
NOW I THINK THE 20th CENTURY
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, KNOWLEDGE
ABOUT SCIENCE HIGHLY DEVELOPED
BUT THAT'S NOT -- THAT DOES NOT
GUARANTEE PEACEFUL WORLD, EVEN
INCLUDING SCIENTIFIC FINDING
NUCLEAR WEAPON CREATES A LOT OF
FEAR.
I THINK NUCLEAR WEAPON ACT LIKE
DETERRENT, THAT MAY BE BUT THAT
PERIOD IN EUROPE NO
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
NO KILLING BUT REMAIN CONSTANT
FEAR.
THAT'S NOT GENUINE PEACE.
GENUINE PEACE MUST COME FROM
LOVE.
NOT FEAR.
SO THEREFORE, SOME SCIENTISTS
WONDERFUL SCIENTISTS BUT AS A
PERSON NOT NECESSARILY VERY
HAPPY PERSON.
A LOT OF STRESS AND SENSE OF
COMPETITION, JEALOUSY.
SO THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THE
SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE ALONE WILL
NOT BRING INNER PEACE.
SO NOW INNER PEACE MUST COME
THROUGH ITS OWN WAY NOT ON
MISSION BUT RELY ON OUR INTERNAL
AND PHYSICAL AFFECTION,
COMPASSION.
THAT BRINGS INNER STRENGTH,
INNER PEACE.
SO WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN
RELIGION OR NOT, THERE'S NO
POINT TO NEGATIVE ABOUT INNER
VALUES.
I REALLY HOPING NOT ONLY HOPING
BUT EDUCATION, 20th CENTURY
SCIENTISTS, NOW THEY BEGIN TO
LOOK DEEPER, DEEP, DEEPER ABOUT
WHAT'S CONSCIOUSNESS OUR MIND OR
EMOTION.
NOW BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND IN
THE 21st CENTURY THAT TREND
CONTINUES AND IS NOW INCREASING.
SO I THINK WITHIN THIS CENTURY I
THINK LATER PART OF THIS
CENTURY, SCIENCE CAN BE MORE
COMPLETE, NOT ONLY WITH MATTERS
BUT ALSO IN THE MIND -- INNER
WORLD.
SOWñ I THINK YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE
AND I HOPE, FROM TIME TO TIME
THIS IS SOME SORT OF SEMINAR
WHICH WE CAN -- THAT KIND OF
SEMINAR I THINK WORTHWHILE
DISCUSSIONS.
SO THAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH
YOU.
NOW QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY.
[APPLAUSE]
>> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LIFE OF
THE MIND AND I KNOW YOUR
HOLINESS YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME
WITH NEUROSCIENTISTS.
IN BUDDHISM AS I UNDERSTAND IT,
THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINIENT
BEINGS AND BEING CONSIDERED
NON-SENIENT.
SO CONSCIOUSNESS IS A VERY
IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE BUDDHIST
PERSPECTIVE.
NEUROSCIENCE IS TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND CONSCIOUSNESS, MANY
SCIENTISTS HAVE TRIED AND SO FAR
FAILED.
BUT IF NEUROSCIENCE WERE ABLE TO
ACTUALLY DISCERN IN PHYSICAL AND
CHEMICAL PROCESSES WHAT IS THE
BASIS OF CONSCIOUSNESS, HOW
WOULD THAT CHANGE YOUR VIEW OF
THE MIND, HOW SHOULD WE THINK
ABOUT THAT?
>> NOT ONLY BUDDHIST BUT ANCIENT
INDIAN SPECIAL TRADITION WHERE
THE PRACTICE OF SINGLE POINTED
MEDITATION AND ANALYTICAL
MEDITATION, NOT PHYSICAL
EXERCISE, PHYSICAL TRAINING, MU
MENTAL TRAINING.
FIRST EVER MINDFULNESS.
WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO CONTROL
YOUR MIND, MIND ALL MOVEMENT.
THROUGH TRAINING YOUR MIND CAN
FIX ONE OBJECT NOT NECESSARILY
TERM OBJECT BUT MENTAL.
SO THAT WE CALL SINGLE POINTED
MEDITATION.
THEN ANALYTICAL MEDITATION, AN
-- SCIENTIST ANALYZE, ANALYZE,
INVESTIGATION, INVESTIGATION.
SO THE INVESTIGATION NOT
EXTERNAL MATTERS ALSO BUT MAINLY
MIND ITSELF.
THAT WAY TRAINING OF MIND.
PHYSICAL YEAR BY YEAR CHANGE BUT
MIND BROADLY SPEAKING CONTINUES
P SO THE KNOWLEDGE WHICH WE
LEARN VERY YOUNG AGE IF YOU
PROPERLY TRAIN WHETHER OLD, 100
YEAR OLD, MIND VERY CLEAR, VERY
SHARP.
SO NOT MUCH DEPEND UPON PHYSICAL
CONDITION, PHYSICAL MAYBE BUT
THROUGH TRAINING OF MIND, MIND
CAN REMAIN VERY SHARP.
THAT SHOWS.
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
>> WHAT THIS INDICATES IS THE
MENTAL WORLD HAS A
CHARACTERISTICS THAT WHEN YOU
TRAIN IT HAS ITS OWN LAWS.
>> SO I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT
PRESUMPTIONNESS.
>> SERIOUS ENGAGEMENT WITH
SCIENTISTS.
SOME CHANGE AMOUNT OF SCIENTIFIC
-- SCIENTISTS WAY OF THINKING,
NOT CHANGE OUR WAY OF THINKING.
[LAUGHTER]
>> POINTING TO DR. RICHARD
DAVIDSON WHO IS HERE FROM
WISCONSIN WHO HAS DONE SOME
REALLY INTERESTING WORK ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BRAIN DURING
MEDITATION.
>> MY FRIEND ALSO ACTUALLY WHEN
WE WORK THE INNER VALUES AND
MENTAL IN ORDER TO BRING MORE
HAPPIER PERSON, HAPPIER HUMANITY
WITH INNER VALUES AND ALSO
SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE, I CONSIDER
TWO HANDS, MY SIGHT, ONE HAND,
AND SCIENTIST, ANOTHER HAND.
WITHOUT EITHER I THINK THIS
CANNOT HAPPEN HOLISTICALLY.
I REALLY ADMIRE, APPRECIATE MANY
SCIENTIFIC -- SCIENTISTS
FRIENDS.
WONDERFUL.
AND ONE THING THEIR MIND QUITE
-- THEY LOOK ANYTHING
OBJECTIVELY, THAT'S GOOD.
SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SOMETIMES
TOO MUCH BIASED VIEW.
THAT CREATES CONFLICT AMONG
BELIEVER.
SO SCIENTISTS MIND, MEANTIME
SKEPTICS, THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO CARRY
INVESTIGATION KEPT SKEPTICISM,
DOUBT, HIGHLY NECESSARY.
SO WE'RE GOOD.
>> ANOTHER MORE PHILOSOPHICAL
QUESTION ABOUT ALTRUISM.
DO YOU THINK SCIENCE HAS BEEN
ABLE TO EXPLAIN OR WILL BE ABLE
TO EXPLAIN HUMAN ALTRUISM?
IS IT THE NATURE OF HUMANITY TO
BE SELFISH?
OR COMPASSIONATE AND ALTRUISTIC?
>> I THINK SCIENCE MORE PRECISE,
UP TO NOW SCIENCE UP TO NOW IS
MAINLY FOCUSING MATERIALLY,
MATTERS OR SOME LEVEL LIKE THAT.
GENOME, THESE THINGS.
SO INVESTIGATE ON THAT AND TRY
TO KNOW FULLY ABOUT CONSCIOUS
NESS.
SO SCIENCE FURTHER DEVELOP,
FURTHER DEVELOP LATER PART OF
THIS CENTURY AS I MENTIONED
BEFORE, I THINK LATER PART OF
SCIENCE I THINK CAN BE
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH BECOMING
MORE WIDER INCLUDING CONSCIOUS
NESS.
THAT I BELIEVE.
SO UP TO NOW --
>> THE SCIENCE AS IT IS
UNDERSTOOD TODAY
>> I WOULD LIMIT IT TO DIFFICULT
TO EXPLAIN THOROUGHLY ABOUTsjIÑ
CONSCIOUSNESS.
>> AND ALSO DIFFICULT P PERHAPS
TO EXPLAIN THE NATURE OF HUMAN
GENEROSITY.
WOULD YOU -- THAT I THINK I DO
NOT NECESSARY TO ASK SCIENTISTS,
USE COMMON SENSE.
[LAUGHTER]
ANYONE INCLUDING THOSE GOOD
SCIENTISTS COME FROM THE
DIFFERENT PARTICLE, NO, I DON'T
THINK, COME FROM MOTHER.
SO MAXIMUM EFFICIENT LIFE FROM
OUR MOTHER SO EVEN IF PHYSICAL
STRUCTURE, THAT PERIOD MOTHERS
OWN MILK, I THINK IMMENSE
IMPORTANT FACTOR TO PROPER
DEVELOPMENT.
>> ROBERT LIVINGSTON, BIOLOGIST
>> NOW NO LONGER, HE TOLD ME
JUST AFTER BIRTH NEXT TO
MOTHER'S PHYSICAL TOUCH, THE
CHILD IS VERY CRUCIAL FACTOR.
FOR PROPER DEVELOPMENT AND
ENLARGEMENT OF BRAIN.
THAT FACTOR, NOT EDUCATION,
BIOLOGICALLY, OUR LIFE TART THAT
WAY.
SO THE EXPERIENCE WHICH WE GAIN
FROM MOTHER'S AFFECTION,
MOTHER'S LOVE REALLY DEVELOP IN
OUR BRAIN.
SO MORE PERSON SURROUNDED WITH
LOVE YOU 'ALLY FEEL HAPPY.
-- REALLY FEEL HAPPY.
>> IF YOU SURROUND YOURSELF WITH
A BUNCH OF DOLLAR NOTES.
>> YOU MAY NOT FEEL SAFE EVEN OR
SOMEONE MAY TAKE THESE DOLLARS.
SO THEREFORE EVERYBODY REALLY
APPRECIATE OTHER'S AFFECTION OR
KINDNESS.
WE ARE SOCIAL ANIMALS.
INDIVIDUALS SURVIVAL DEPENDING
ON REST OF COMMUNITY.
SO MENTALLY.
BRING TOGETHER COMMUNITY MONEY,
YES, TEMPORARY.
OR POWER OR -- SO REAL FACTOR TO
BRING TOGETHER IS LOVE.
FRIENDSHIP, FRIENDSHIP ENTIRELY
BASED ON TRUST.
TRUST BASED ON LOVE.
NO MATTER WITHOUT THAT EVEN IN
VERY SMART MIND TRY TO CHEAT,
TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE ON OTHER.
NO MATTER, MY SMILE OR SOME GIFT
EVEN ANIMALS THEY KNOW.
(INAUDIBLE) DOGS OR CATS.
IF I GIVE SOME FOOD DIFFERENT
MOTIVATION THEY KNOW.
NOT VERY HAPPY, THEY MAY TAKE
THE FOOD BUT NEVER SHOW GENUINE
FRIENDSHIP.
IF YOU SHOW THEM SENSE IT I
THINK THEY ALSO KNOW, SOME
ABILITY THEY KNOW JUST IN YOUR
EYE WHETHER SINCERE OR NOT.
SO EVEN ANIMAL APPRECIATE OUR
AFFECTION, COME TOGETHER.
SO THEREFORE PERSON INCLUDING
ANIMAL, WHOV;
WHO FEEL VERY HAPPY TO RECEIVE
KINDNESS OR AFFECTION THEN THEY
ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHOW
COMPASSION TO OTHER.
SO THEREFORE, ANGER HATRED,
FEAR, ALSO PART OF OUR MIND, BUT
NOT DOMINANT.
THE DOMINANT IS LOVE.
SO THEREFORE WE CAN SAY BASIC
HUMAN NATURE IS I THINK MORE
COMPASSIONATE.
THE ONLY THING IS WHEN WE ARE
YOUNG THE NAYTURE -- NATURE --
ALIVE BASIC HUMAN VALUES THEN
GROWN UP I THINK MAINLY EXISTING
EDUCATION SYSTEM IS NOT ADEQUATE
OTHER HUMAN ABILITY INTELLIGENCE
OR THESE THINGS, DEVELOP
EDUCATION (INAUDIBLE) EDUCATION.
THEN THE BASIC HUMAN VALUES
BECOME DORMANT, NO FURTHER
DEVELOP.
THEN EVENTUALLY SOCIETY,
MATERIALISTIC SORT OF LIFE
MATERIALISTIC CULTURE.
SO PEOPLE WHO GROWN UP THAT KIND
OF ATMOSPHERE, THAT CULTURE, AND
NO OTHER SORT OF EFFORT TO
FURTHER DEVELOP THIS BASIC
VALUE, BASIC QUALITY I THINK
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
SO BASIC HUMAN NATURE IS I FEEL
MORE POSITIVE I FEEL.
I SAW ONE PICTURE ONE SOLDIER
GREEK SOLDIER I THINK ONE
SOLDIER HELPING THE ENEMYIES THE
SOLDIEREN MY DYING BECAUSE OF --
>> HOLDING ON TO SOLDIER FROM
THE ENEMY SIDE.
>> THAT SHOWS REAL HUMAN NATURE.
(INAUDIBLE) ENEMY LEGITIMATELY
SHOOTING BUT HUMAN -- THEY ALSO
HUMAN BEING, SEEING SUFFERING,
NATURE RESPONSE TO HELP.
BUT YOU HAVE FURTHER ARGUMENT,
I'M READY, I'M READY TO ARGUE.
>> I LIKE YOUR ANSWER A LOT SO
EYE NO, MA'AM GOING TO ARGUE AT
ALL.
>> SO I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE WE
TRAINED THE TRADITION USE WATER
BECAUSE OF THAT, SO ALTHOUGH MY
TRAINING NOT ADEQUATE MOST TIME
MOST OF THE TIME I STAND --
HOWEVER, I THINK I ALSO TRAIN
THAT WAY SO REGARDING OUR
TRAINING, RAISE QUESTION,
QUESTION, QUESTION AND TRY TO
FIND CONTRADICTION.
SO IN ORDER TO RAISE
CONTRADICTION YOU MUST BE
SKEPTICAL.
RAISE QUESTION, QUESTION.
THEN DEBATE
>> THAT'S RIGHT PHILOSOPHY FOR
SCIENTISTS AND FOR HUMANS IN
GENERAL.
YOU ARE SUCH A REPRESENTATION OF
THE PURPOSE OF LIFE BEING
HAPPINESS, YOU HAVE WRITTEN
ABOUT THIS, DO YOU EVER GET MAD?
DO YOU EVER HAVE A BAD DAY?
>> OF COURSE.
QUITE OFTEN I LOSE MY TEMPER.
TO SMALL, SMALL THINGS.
MORE SERIOUS MATTER, ALMOST NONE
WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS AND MEANS
TO WORK ON THAT.
BUT -- WE CAN MAINTAIN CALMNESS.
SMALL, SMALL THINGS, MY PAST
EXPERIENCE OF STORIES, MANY
YEARS AGO I THINK MAYBE TEN
YEARS AGO WHILE IN NEW YORK, NEW
YORK TIMES COLUMNIST, YOUNG
LADY, INTERVIEWEDDED ME AND THEN
ONE QUESTION SHE ASKED ME WHAT
YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY.
I TOLD HER I'M BUDDHIST MONK,
BUDDHIST PRACTICER SHOULD NOT
THINK ABOUT MY NAME.
THEN SHE SHIFT SOME OTHER POINT
QUESTIONS.
THEN SHE AGAIN ASKED THAT, SAME
ANSWER.
THEN AGAIN OTHER TOPIC.
THEN AGAIN THURSDAY TIME SHE
ASKED.
THEN I LOST MY TEMPER.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THE SAME
QUESTION AGAIN OF COURSE LEADER,
HE MENTIONED SOMETHING I THINK
THREE OR FOUR TIMES REPPATION, I
GOT REPUTATION DON'T SAY THAT.
>> YOUR HOLINESS, A PLANE IS
WAITING TAKE YOU TO FRANK
FURTHERND ON TO INDIA.
MAYBE ONE LAST GENERAL QUESTION.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ARE THE
BENEFITS TO SCIENTISTS IN
ENGAGING IN DIALOGUES WITH THE
CONTEMPLATED TRADITIONS LIKE
BUDDHISM?
WHAT CAN SCIENTISTS LEARN FROM
CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS?
SHOULD WE DO MORE OF THIS?
>> RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING I
MADE CLEAR WHEN ALSO DISCUSSION
WITH SCIENTIST OR DIALOGUE WITH
SCIENTIST, SOME PEOPLE USE THE
WORD DIALOGUE BETWEEN BUDDHISM
AND SCIENCE.
I REJECT.
THAT'S WRONG.
BUDDHIST SCIENCE AND MODEL
SCIENCE, BUDDHIST SCIENCE MAINLY
MIND EMOTION THESE THINGS.
WHEN WE DESCRIBE THESE EMOTIONS
NO GOOD OR BAD, SIMPLY WHAT IS
REALITY.
SCIENCE, SO WHAT IS SCIENCE,
INCLUDE PARTICLES OF MATTERS
ALSO MENTIONED BUT COMPARE
MODELS OF KNOWLEDGE, MODEL
SCIENCE, VERY -- QUITE GROSS,
QUITE RUDIMENTARY.
SO WE FIND IMMENSE BENEFIT
LEARNING FROM SCIENTIFIC
FINDINGS.
THEN ABOUT A MATTER OF
CONSCIOUSNESS OR MIND OR
EMOTION, THEN ANCIENT INDIANS --
COMPARE THAT GIVE YOU PERMISSION
THEN PSYCHOLOGY REST OF IT IS
LIKE KINDERGARTEN.
VERY BEGINNING.
>> THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER YOUR
HOLINESS.
ALL THE WESTERN PSYCHOLOGISTS
ARE FEELING A LITTLE PUT DOWN
BUT I'M SURE THEY WILL LEARN,
YES.
>> THAT IS PART OF RESEARCH
ABOUT MIND THEN SOME TRAINING
MATTER OF TRAINING OR MIND AND
SOME MEDITATION.
>> AND CONTENT MIND PRACTICE.
>> NOT AS PART OF RELIGIOUS
PRACTICE, THAT I THINK
IMPORTANT.
>> THANK YOU.
I ALSO WANT P TO THANK THE
TRANSLATOR WHO HAS BEEN SO
HELPFUL, WHO HAS HELPED US MAKE
SURE WE ARE GETTING THE
TRANSMISSION OF INFORMATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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>> LET ME ESPECIALLY NOW ASK
Y'ALL TO THANK HIS HOLINESS THE
DALAI LAMA.
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>> THANK YOU.
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