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DOUG MUZZIO: Hello, I'm Doug Muzzio, this is City Talk.
He was the first mafia boss to turn
government witness, the second highest defector ever.
His criminal career: ***, loan sharking, extortion
hijacking, and a lot more, firebombing a Times Square
strip club! His testimony in 15 government trials
led to the conviction of more than 50 mobsters and
exposed corrupt cops, union officers, and
political power brokers.
♪ [Theme Music] ♪
DOUG MUZZIO: He's Al D' Arco. One time head of the
Lucchese crime family, and the subject of a great new book by
Jerry Capeci and Tom Robbins called Mob Boss: The Life
of Little Al D'Arco, and the Man Who Brought Down the Mafia.
Jerry Capeci is a New York
based news reporter, columnist, author, and
widely recognized expert on the American mafia,
one of my favorite crime writers, true crime.
He has written six true crime mob books and has posted a
weekly, online column about the mafia,
ganglandnews.com, since 1996. Tom Robbins has
covered crime and politics, often the same
thing, in New York for more than 30 years as a
reporter and columnist for the New York Daily News,
the New York Observer, and the Village Voice. He now
teaches investigative reporting at the CUNY
graduate school of journalism, where he is a
valued colleague of mine.
Welcome, Jerry.
Welcome back, Tom.
TOM ROBBINS: Thank you.
DOUG MUZZIO: Okay, this puts you in the realm of Breslin
and Pileggi. This is a great crime book.
TOM ROBBINS: Thank you.
DOUG MUZZIO: In fact, I love it because
this character's in here, a character that I know.
Now, question. What is this fascination with
organized crime and the mob? You've got books,
you've got The Sopranos, over and over and over again,
you've got this look at this life. Why?
TOM ROBBINS: Americans love outlaws. We used to
focus on westerns and 10-gallon hats, and we've
sort of shifted to mafiosos in fedoras; and I
think that's continued, starting with way back
with the Edward G. Robinson movies --
DOUG MUZZIO: Little Caesar! Oh, man!
TOM ROBBINS: - moving into The Godfather and
The Sopranos, and it is a
wealth of lore that's always fascinating, as we
found with our book.
JERRY CAPECI: And in New York,
John Gotti was the personification of what a
mobster should be or wanted --
DOUG MUZZIO: Yeah, but he wasn't!
I mean, he was a loudmouth!
JERRY CAPECI: No, but he created the buzz in the
'80s and '90s that helped drive The Sopranos --
DOUG MUZZIO: Come on, Bergen Hunt & Fish Club on 101st
Avenue, we used to watch the 4th of July
celebrations! Our parents wouldn't let us go, but we
went anyway. Now, how did you come to write this
particular book?
TOM ROBBINS: Well, we both
covered, when Al D'Arco became a government
witness, the fact of his cooperation, Jerry broke
the story in the Daily News, first one to report
it. And within a year, he was appearing as a witness
in trials in federal court, and we both went
and watched him testify. And we are both, I think,
impressed, because he had phenomenal recall, he was
funny, he was a character, and he didn't seem to pull
any punches. And we said, "This is a story we'd like
to tell." and Jerry started reaching out.
JERRY CAPECI: Well, I started to reach out to
him back in 2002 after he received time served and
was supposedly retired by the feds, and it
never went anywhere. You know, through an
intermediary, I tried to get him to agree to tell
his story, and it never went anywhere. And then a
couple years later, many years later, about three
years ago now, he reached out to me through an
intermediary and basically said that this time,
"The time is right in my life, I'm interested in telling
the story of my life now if you're still
interested." It was a big story, and that's when I
got a hold of Tom and decided that the two of us
would be better than 1+1. I thought working with Tom --
DOUG MUZZIO: Yeah, and the results seemed
to prove that out --
JERRY CAPECI: Oh, thanks!
DOUG MUZZIO: Talk about the first
meeting between you guys
and Al D'Arco, and even the second meeting,
because the meetings themselves are out of the book.
TOM ROBBINS: Well yeah, there's a lot we
can't talk about our meetings. He is in a
witness protection program, and-
DOUG MUZZIO: This is true.
TOM ROBBINS: -my deal with him was to
make sure we don't do anything to
jeopardize his safety, but it took place in what they
say in the lingo of the WIT SEC program,
"a neutral site". What that means is, it wasn't here
in New York where we live, and it wasn't wherever he
lives. Some place else entirely.
DOUG MUZZIO: Okay. That's good enough.
TOM ROBBINS: Neutral location.
But he walked into the room about an
hour after he said he'd be there, with a big smile on
his face, you know, a baseball cap, and said,
"Hiya Jerry! Hiya Tom! How's it going?" He
started to roll from there. He really started
to talk, and we had a lot of days, we had different
visits with him, and spent a lot more time on the
phone, but he is a true New York character.
JERRY CAPECI: It came through as soon as he opened his
mouth that he was from New York, happy to be speaking
to two other New Yorkers, and was a roll. We had
three days of discussions with him in this neutral
site in a hotel room. You know, he, like many of the
other hotel rooms he sat in when he was dealing
with the feds; and a couple of months later,
after digesting all the information he had given us,
we ended up having another session in another
neutral site for three more days going over the
stuff that he had told us, coupled with some of the
investigative work that we had done, trying to make
sure that we got as much as we could right. I mean,
that was a key thing. We had a caveat with Al that
he would answer any question that we asked,
and that we would write the book. It was going to
be our book about him. He had no say in what we
could or couldn't say, and so that's why we wanted
that second discussion with him to go over all
the nuts and bolts that he had told us, what we had
found out, and to see if there's anything else
that, you know, fell through the cracks in the first talk.
DOUG MUZZIO: And clearly, you guys
spoke to prosecutors and defense attorneys. I mean,
this is a major piece of investigative writing or
journalism in book form. Were there any a-ha
moments where you sat there and said, "A-ha!
This connected, or this didn't connect"?
And likewise, were there really dead ends where you
were hot on something, and you couldn't do it.
Let's talk about a-has and dead ends.
TOM ROBBINS: Yeah, we had some a-ha moments.
JERRY CAPECI: There were quite a few.
There were quite a few. I mean, one
that jumps out at me, and every time I think about it,
was Al saying that, in the 60s, he was
hanging out with a guy named Little Davey Pituro, who
was former of close associate of Lucky
Luciano, which was news to us to begin with. And then
he's talking about this guy, Little Davey was a
crazy guy, and he killed this guy in Van Cortlandt
Park in the Bronx, and we said, 'What?" He says,
"Yeah, he was a Jewish gangster. He killed him in
the Bronx and stabbed him a few times." and we had
never heard of the guy. We looked it up, we couldn't
find a clipping about it in any of the newspapers-
DOUG MUZZIO: He did a good job!
JERRY CAPECI: But eventually, through
ME's office and others, we
found out that Al was right. The guy was Frank
Salzburg, and he was found stabbed to death, face up,
in Van Cortlandt Park. And we said, "A-ha! He was
right!" I mean, if the guy was right about something
like that, we kind of, it made us feel a lot better
about everything else.
DOUG MUZZIO: Any a-ha moments that --
TOM ROBBINS: Well, some of it
was like sort of the basic sort of lingo of the mob.
I probably repeated this in stories I've written,
and I got it just as wrong as a lot of other people,
which is that I always assumed, before you could
become a made member, meaning an inducted
soldier- where you like, you know, take the blood,
you had to, what they call, make your bones.
That you had to have participated in a ***.
Al D'Arco told us, "Nah, that's just stuff
you guys make up. That's not true." The mob, God
bless them, makes people for lots of the same
reasons that people get jobs now. Some people make
a lot of money, some people are just well
connected, some people, they just like, and they
give them their button, as they say. So that was sort
of a wake-up call --
DOUG MUZZIO: Sort of like a corporate hierarchy.
TOM ROBBINS: Very similar.
JERRY CAPECI: I mean, the key thing that Al pointed out
was that you had to agree to kill somebody if
you were called on. You didn't have to kill
somebody beforehand. I mean, he had let Paul
Vario, his captain at the time, know that he was
willing to kill somebody back in the '70s, and it
wasn't until 1982 that he actually became made.
I mean, he's --
DOUG MUZZIO: And then he doesn't kill
anybody until another 7 years. Please describe the
killing. It's one of the must-see, must read scenes
in this book.
TOM ROBBINS: Well, I hope you thought
it was as gruesome as we tried-
DOUG MUZZIO: Oh, it was! It was awful!
TOM ROBBINS: -disturbing. We
gave him a pretty hard time about that, because
we wanted, let me talk to him about it, we wanted
him to grapple with the fact that he had helped,
with his own hand, snuff out a human life; for
whatever reasons he felt that this fellow deserved
it, but that he had participated in a brutal
*** of a guy named Michael Pappadio, who had
been a power in the garment center of New
York, which always one of the great lucrative areas
for the mafia, particularly Al D'Arco's
branch, the Lucchese crime family, had always been
dominant in the garment center. And this guy,
Michael Pappadio, had been running things for the
family, and the new bosses of the Lucchese family had
decided that he was stealing from them, and
they wanted him killed. And Al D'Arco was ordered
to take part in that ***. And it took place
in a bakery, a bagel bakery out on Rockaway
Boulevard, I think, and he waited for them, and he
was supposed to be meeting, and they walked in,
and first, Al brought with him a long length of
metal pipe that he actually wired, that was
covered with some kind of plastic covering and
whacked him upside the head and the guy didn't go
down. And then somebody else who was with him
pulled out a .22 and shot him, and the bullet
literally bounced off his head and wedged in a door.
Then he pulled out a bigger gun and shot him.
So it was a brutal, terrible ***. We wanted
to know how he felt about it.
DOUG MUZZIO: And did
he show any remorse? I mean, it looks like
there's no remorse here. It was the job.
TOM ROBBINS: No remorse about that killing-
DOUG MUZZIO: Or anything else!
JERRY CAPECI: -or most of the killings
that he committed as a true blue
mobster. Eventually, though, he became
convinced that the mob was corrupt. Now it's a little
strange, a gangster would kill you as
soon as look at you, say that the mob was corrupt.
But he felt that the two leaders that Tom was
talking about, ya know, Gaspipe Casso and Vic Amuso
were killing people for the wrong reason. They were
killing people, not because they violated some
rules or did something wrong. They wanted their
rackets; they wanted their money that they were
making, and they also didn't want to have
anybody in the family who was powerful enough to
succeed them when and if they went to jail.
DOUG MUZZIO: I mean, it seems like Richard III. There's
real Shakespearean quality to all of this, knocking
one another off. You guys like this guy,
though? I mean, it comes out in the book that you
do, you come away with the feeling that you like this
guy; despite his heinous acts and his amorality,
you like him. Why do you like him?
TOM ROBBINS: A hard guy not to like, Doug! You met him,
you'd like him to, I guarantee it.
DOUG MUZZIO: Well what is it about
him besides his wit, and there's a sauce, this
unbelievable memory, what is it about the guy?
TOM ROBBINS: He is not taken
with himself, he does not have an enormous ego that
he flaunts, he doesn't try to rub your face in what a
big deal he was. He is a guy. He loved the mob, I
think, because he saw it as his vocation. He saw it
as a business, as he called it, and he wanted
to work hard, and he did work hard.
DOUG MUZZIO: And he was an extraordinary success --
TOM ROBBINS: He did very well at it.
DOUG MUZZIO: And he was very good-
TOM ROBBINS: But you know,
one of the things we point out, which I mean we found
this to be kind of amazing was that he didn't do any
of the things that ordinarily we associate
with gangsters.
DOUG MUZZIO: Right.
Particularly if you watch The Sopranos. Go ahead.
TOM ROBBINS: He would, every now and again, he'd
have a little glass of brandy. So every now and
again, he'd, started out, he would roll the dice a
little bit, but he gave that up. He wasn't a
gambler. He didn't have any girlfriends. He was
married to the same woman for 50 years, it was the
first woman that he was seriously involved with,
and he said, "That's all right. I don't need
anybody else."
DOUG MUZZIO: I mean, really, in
a sense, he was the anti-Gotti.
JERRY CAPECI: No question about it. He hated John Gotti!
He talked about how John Gotti, because he was a
swashbuckling Dapper Don, ended up bringing heat to
the neighborhood. He hated it when guys from his way
of life would come into his restaurant on
Cleveland Place after having spent a couple
minutes or an hour over at Gotti's social club at the
Ravenite. He would, in fact, he had a big blowout
with Vic Arena, the acting boss of the Columbo crime
family. He said, "What the hell are you doing here
now? You coming here to bring the heat from John's
place? What are you doing to me?"
DOUG MUZZIO: Yeah, again, Gotti was really
this evil, sort of the Donald Trump of crime --
TOM ROBBINS: His idea was to flaunt, one of the things
that Al D'Arco told us was that his
own mob mentors had a system,
which is called low key, just keep everything low
key. You know, don't flaunt it, don't have big
fancy cars, don't wear big fancy jewelry, and just
try to go about your business and get things done.
DOUG MUZZIO: And in fact, he's very successful
because when he actually defects, he's not on the
criminal justice system radar. He's not on the FBI
radar. Talk about him defecting. What leads him
to defect, how does he do it, and with what effect?
TOM ROBBINS: Well, one of the things that he
corrected was the version that had been written
previously in a lot of other articles and books
was that he had somehow actually driven himself to
the New Rochelle office of the FBI and said, "Hi, I'm
Al D'Arco, and I'm here to help you." That's not
exactly how it happened. What happened was, he had
had a meeting in a midtown hotel with his mob
colleagues from the Lucchese crime family,
where he realized that there were guys there
armed with guns, which you're not supposed to
bring to a business meeting, and that they
were going to kill him. He believed they were going
to kill him right there in the hotel room. And he
left that hotel room, he went back to his home in
Spring Street in Little Italy, and called up his
son Joseph, who was also a made member of the
Lucchese crime family, and he said, "We've got to do
something. These guys are going to kill me, they're
going to kill you, and who knows, they could go after
the rest of the family." And they make the decision
to basically "come in", as he said. He called up a
guy he knew, a lawyer that he had done work with, and
had that lawyer reach out to somebody at the FBI,
and the luck of the draw was, he ended up talking
to an FBI agent who was not part of the Lucchese
squad, or the mafia, he was what they call a sharp
pencil guy. He was a former accountant, he was
somebody who was actually chasing a landfill case
where Al's name had surfaced, and they became
fast friends. But they brought him into the
program there, they drove him that night up to the
New Rochelle office, put him in a motel in
Connecticut, and then Al started to talk.
DOUG MUZZIO: One of the striking things was that
the government itself gave Al a warning that they had
heard that he might be a target for a hit, and that
was very interesting, both at the same time
protecting the guy, but also, was there an
expectation that, we save you, you do something?
JERRY CAPECI: Well, that's what happened. I mean, one
of the things playing on Al's mind when he had that
meeting in the hotel was knowledge that he had been
warned by detectives from the Brooklyn DA's office
and the feds that his life was in danger, and not
only his life, but the life of his family. So that helped
spur him to actually decide to cooperate once he felt
for sure that they were going to kill him.
DOUG MUZZIO: The threat was real.
And also, there was a change in ethos, if you will,
among mob members that, in the past, the families
were isolated and insulated and not targets,
but with this escalating gang war, there was
collateral damage.
TOM ROBBINS: He was, I think,
really disturbed and shocked to find top
mobsters talking about killing innocent family --
lower case 'f' -- sisters, wives, brothers, siblings.
No, this was something that you weren't supposed
to do. As far as Al was concerned, that was a
complete violation of the rules of Cosa Nostra.
DOUG MUZZIO: Yeah, and he seemed to have been a
historian, too. I mean, the guy, you just
recounted over and over again this phenomenal memory.
This guy was, he was a sociologist and
anthropologist and a thug!
JERRY CAPECI: Well, he did have
a fascinating memory, and he did talk. I mean, he
had connections through his family to the
Pittsburgh crime family, which was something that
made his story a lot more interesting. At some
point, he talks about how they had closed the books
in New York. He couldn't get made he
couldn't get made, and his cousin-
DOUG MUZZIO: Because there was a quota!
JERRY CAPECI: It was a quota,
right, well they had closed the books for a
couple reasons, and his cousin Joe Cicco
says, "You know, if you want, I can get you made
here in Pittsburgh, and you can have a big house
and everything else." But he said, "No, I'm not
going to Pittsburgh. I'm a New Yorker."
DOUG MUZZIO: So he defects, and then he goes
on the trial circuit. Did you guys cover him
during that whole trial circuit?
TOM ROBBINS: Not every case, but, no, we saw him.
DOUG MUZZIO: Talk about him on
the witness stand. In fact, one of the defense
attorneys for other mobsters said that he was
the greatest witness that he had ever confronted.
What was it like in the courtrooms?
TOM ROBBINS: He was, as I said, an incredibly effective,
compelling storyteller, and some of the top
defense attorneys in New York, guys like Gerald
Shargel did their best to try to take him down
several notches. I mean that's always the goal is
to try to catch someone in a lie.
DOUG MUZZIO: Sure. But he hasn't lied!
TOM ROBBINS: Shargel couldn't catch him at it.
JERRY CAPECI: Right, he had
great attention to detail. He would sit down, he
would tell you, "Look, we're at a table, there's
five of us, we were all sitting around a table, it
was a red tablecloth, and Joe was to my left, and
Steve was to my right; and Joe, I remember he pointed
out, and then in the background, we could hear
a dog barking, because the windows of the restaurant
were open." I mean, he had this incredible-
DOUG MUZZIO: Local color!
JERRY CAPECI: -detail that convinced
juries that he was telling it the way it was. He was
also, like, we talked about a likeable guy.
Jurors kind of viewed him as somebody, as your Uncle
Al, as your grandfather, perhaps, if you were
younger, depending upon your age.
DOUG MUZZIO: I mean, but this is a killer. This
is a stone cold killer.
TOM ROBBINS: He would come right out and say, "I know what they
call me. I'm a rat. That's what they call me. I'm a rat."
DOUG MUZZIO: So there's a lot of self knowledge there.
Okay, who plays this guy in the movies?
Come on! This is, they see --
TOM ROBBINS: We've got somebody!
DOUG MUZZIO: This is definitely a movie
or a TV series. Oh, you've got somebody? Who plays?
TOM ROBBINS: Steve Buscemi.
JERRY CAPECI: We think he'd be a good Al D'Arco!
DOUG MUZZIO: I don't know Al,
but Steve Buscemi could definitely play it!
TOM ROBBINS: He's doing such a great job on Boardwalk Empire-
DOUG MUZZIO: You two guys play yourself?
TOM ROBBINS: Yeah, definitely.
DOUG MUZZIO: Yeah, I mean really. Speaking roles?
JERRY CAPECI: I think maybe George Clooney could play-
TOM ROBBINS: Danny DeVito plays him.
DOUG MUZZIO: Ooh! Has there anybody, has there been a
discussion of movie, TV, I mean sort of, I mean, come on-
TOM ROBBINS: You think it would make a good movie? Doug?
DOUG MUZZIO: Yeah!
TOM ROBBINS: Doug usually things-
DOUG MUZZIO: -big deal! They'll get you nothing!
Absolutely zero! Mob dining, one of the
fascinating things about this book, and also, not
only in the book but in the news media is, famous
mob restaurants, including Ray's Pizza! Tell us about
the main commodity that Ray's Pizza sold. And it
had nothing to do with dough and mozzarella?
JERRY CAPECI: It was a white powder called
***. He sold pizza and made great pizza, and in
fact, was a good cook, but the key ingredient was
***, and he sold *** out of the basement of
Ray's Pizza for decades. He built it and created it
in 1959, he got out of prison, and for years, he
and his relatives, the DiPalermo Brothers, Joe
Beck and Charlie Brody, they were the key players
in the *** trade in the Lucchese crime family, and
they did it for decades. For decades!
DOUG MUZZIO: If you work in the village, I went to NYU,
and I know the village fairly well, and
restaurants play a big role.
I mean, Sparks with Castellano, and Birdo's
with Gell, let's take a walking tour. Let's
start in the Village, and how do you know what's a
mob joint, not the Village, really Little
Italy, obviously, Mulberry from Canal up, and Little
Italy is not Little Italy. How do we know if it's a
mob joint? Are there mob joints?
TOM ROBBINS: You don't.
DOUG MUZZIO: Good thing, because if you knew-
JERRY CAPECI: You probably wouldn't go there.
If you're there on a Thursday or a Wednesday,
you see a lot of guys with big necks and no women
sitting around the tables, then you got a good sense
that this is a mob joint.
DOUG MUZZIO: Are there mob joints?
I mean, literally now, is there a mob joint?
I mean, there's a mob, are there mob joints in Little Italy?
TOM ROBBINS: Yes.
JERRY CAPECI: Yes.
DOUG MUZZIO: There are?
TOM ROBBINS: I'm not going to give them free advertising!
DOUG MUZZIO: No, no, I'm not asking you --
TOM ROBBINS: And not just Little Italy, but
other neighborhoods in New York, there's definitely restaurants
right in midtown Manhattan, which are run by high level
made members of Cosa Nostra.
DOUG MUZZIO: And law enforcement knows
about this, besides you two guys, we don't want
you whacked or anything.
TOM ROBBINS: No, this is not a secret.
JERRY CAPECI: Their names may
not be on the deed, their
names may not be on the liquor license, but there
are wiseguys that run restaurants throughout the
city, and throughout --
DOUG MUZZIO: So you don't
want to do a walking tour of mob joints in New York?
TOM ROBBINS: We can do that on our own, though.
We'll take you on a walk, we'll show them to you.
DOUG MUZZIO: Oh no, we're not going to do this, but
this is not a money making enterprise? What's next
for you guys? Do you follow this mob story up, are there
sequels to this story? Are there spinoffs to this story?
TOM ROBBINS: Well, there's a
bunch. I mean, Jerry does a column every week-
DOUG MUZZIO: No, I know!
JERRY CAPECI: -for the cover,
for the foreseeable future, writing my column
each week is what's in the cards for me. Who knows?
Down the road sometime, maybe down the line-
TOM ROBBINS: I'd say one thing, there's a part of
this book which describes New York in the 1950s.
DOUG MUZZIO: Yeah, it's really a social, there's a
little bit of social history of New York here.
TOM ROBBINS: The boss of the Lucchese family was a
guy named Thomas Lucchese, and we describe in the
book, and this is something you won't find
in too many mob histories, but it's all accurate;
that Thomas Lucchese would regularly dine with the
mayor of New York, with the police commissioner in
New York, with the top federal prosecutors of New
York, all of whom were such friends of his, they
dined with him at his home in Long Beach, and they
went to football games where his son was a cadet
at West Point. And for a while the mob had enormous
influence in terms of the top reaches of power in
New York City. And that's something which Al D'Arco
witnessed as a young guy growing up and was able to
give us a sense of that.
DOUG MUZZIO: And we're talking about the
O'Dwyer era, and Tammany?
TOM ROBBINS: The Bill O'Dwyer era.
DOUG MUZZIO: Bill O'Dwyer.
TOM ROBBINS: Not to be confused with the
saintly Paul O'Dwyer --
DOUG MUZZIO: Yes, yes, yes.
TOM ROBBINS: Most of us know, but his older
brother Bill, who was mayor, and who had to
leave in the middle of a scandal, and who
bequeathed his office to a guy named Impellitteri-
DOUG MUZZIO: And he was supposed to be some juice
with Impellitteri, I guess, I don't know if
it's anti-Italian prejudice and all that-
TOM ROBBINS: I think there was a bit of juice.
DOUG MUZZIO: There was a bit of juice there. What about Al
D'Arco? What's the story with him? He just lives
his life, the rest of his life, doing whatever he's doing?
TOM ROBBINS: Complaining about the food.
DOUG MUZZIO: And complaining about the
food, because he can't get good Italian food!
In Omaha, or wherever the hell-
JERRY CAPECI: I mean, he's still looking over his shoulder,
but I think as long as he doesn't come back to the
New York City area and walk down Mulberry Street
or back in the Canarsie, I don't think he'll have a
problem, really. I don't think. . .
DOUG MUZZIO: Do you ever not sort of feel
that you might have, you
know concentric circles on your back? I mean, doesn't
there got to be a fear factor here?
TOM ROBBINS: That's why we wrote prominently in the book
about how it's a real mistake to hurt journalists!
DOUG MUZZIO: That's right. But speaking --
TOM ROBBINS: Against our best interests.
DOUG MUZZIO: Okay, I mean, you get 30 seconds, but one of
the great things in this is, the mob considered
kidnapping Jimmy Breslin's kid. Now-
JERRY CAPECI: But Al said, "What, are you crazy? It's
going to, too much hate! You don't want to do that! You
don't want to do that!"
DOUG MUZZIO: So you got --
JERRY CAPECI: He talked them out of it.
DOUG MUZZIO: You two guys are safe?
JERRY CAPECI: We hope so! We hope so.
DOUG MUZZIO: I hope so too.
TOM ROBBINS: We're going to need you to
start our car when we go out.
DOUG MUZZIO: Thank you, and I'll taste your
food from now on! No thank you! Okay, my thanks to
Jerry Capeci and Tom Robbins for their great
book, Mob Boss: The Life of Little Al D'Arco, the
Man Who Brought Down the Mafia. It's a great book.
I loved it! I loved it! It's a classic.
Please read it. See you here next week
here on CUNY-TV.
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