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Charles>> Welcome once again to Truth in History
program. We are here today in the studio with a very
exciting subject to talk about and with a very well
informed guest, Robert Caringola. As we begin this
program I want to read us a scripture. I want to start
with Psalm thirty four verses one through three. We want
to give the Lord all glory, and majesty and power and
authority in every program and in everything that we say
and everything that we do because we want our belief
system to be God-centered, not man-centered. In other
words, the, the approach to Scripture is theocentric and
not anthropocentric. It's God-centered. It's God's
revelation to man, and therefore everything that we say
we want the Lord to be praised and, and in everything
that we believe. Psalm 34, "I will bless the Lord at all
times. His praise shall continually be in my mouth, my
soul shall make her boast in the Lord, the humble shall
hear thereof and be glad. O magnify the Lord with me,
and let us exalt his name together." On this program
today our guest is Robert Caringola. He has written a
very timely book entitled Seventy Weeks the Historical
Alternative. This is concerning the 70 weeks of Daniel.
This subject that we are going to talk about on this
program today is extremely important. It's not only
extremely important, it is vital to our understanding of
the Scriptures and the Messianic timeline that was laid
out by the prophet, but yet this Scripture concerning
the 70 weeks of Daniel found in the book of Daniel has
been so abused and misused and misinterpreted that it is
absolutely imperative that we get this proper Biblical
understanding of this, of this prophecy, because it is
the key, the key to the understanding of Biblical
prophecy from the time of Daniel coming this way. And we
want to welcome Robert
Robert>> Thank you.
Charles>> Because he's an unusual individual and with a
lot of experience in ministry and Robert, I want you to
just introduce yourself and tell us who you are and
we'll go from there.
Robert>> I will Pastor Jennings, thank you. I don't know
how to thank you for being involved in, this is the
reprint of the Seventy Weeks. The best way I believe to
start this, let me give you just a brief testimony and
your audience just a brief testimony because this is a
30 year project really to get to this point and what I
would like to share is the impact of the information
that is in this book, how it changed my life. But
there's, there's a great start to this. There was a
point in the late 70's, early 80's, I'd been saved. I'd
been out to sea as a young Marine. I was tremendously
interested in the study of the prophets and of course
everything we had was what was called out of the
Futuristic school, which many, many people are familiar
with. The writings of many writers, some alive, some
deceased, but they all had a consistent theme about the
end of the world coming, and Antichrist coming, the
rapture, all these things. Well, I read their books.
When you're out there flying around-the-clock you do a
lot of reading. Came back and did a lot of teaching, and
whether it would be the Clarence Larkin charts, of his
book that many are familiar with. We might talk about
later. I, I had it down. I mean I, I was a little
confused. It, it, There was a lot of, as Luther said
there's, he warned us about the terrible curse of
uncertainty. And it wasn't certain but that's all you
know that was out there. Of course, we're going to
reveal the history of why, where it came from and as
these shows develop. But there came a point where I was
back in Little Rock, Arkansas in the summer of 1981 and
there was a great English theologian who was teaching at
an Apostolic church there and I was invited to come hear
him. His name was Reverend David Campbell. I dedicated
the book to him, and we could talk about him for, for
several shows, but I came with several friends and in
the audience pastor there was thirty, forty, I would
estimate ministers that were, had been teaching all
their lives. Great men of God. I mean, I mean men that
walked with God and, and but all they knew was Futurism.
And I'm telling, I'm telling you, stout, Pentecostal
evangelical, independent whatever. This minister,
Reverend Campbell took us through a three-hour seminar
on the Seventy Weeks of Daniel and I'm, all I'm going to
say right now because we will expand on this in these
broadcasts, is that at the end of those three hours I
was personally stunned. Everything I thought I knew
about the study of the prophets, about the end times in
all these scenarios and several of them we'll touch on,
touch on were just shattered by the truth of the Word of
God and I looked around and I and these these men of
esteem and men of God, half of them Pastor Jennings,
they were in tears. They were stunned. They were
stunned. Just, they had, they had never heard such
things. I, I remember screaming and I talk about it in
my book a thought that came to me, a Scripture, what
meaneth this? I'm going now didn't I read every book
that was out there? Didn't I have all this stuff and all
of a sudden in the true unveiling and the history of
what happened to this prophecy of the 70 weeks here and
why it was attacked, why it was distorted, what has
happened, and especially in our lifetime, and in the
twenty century, what happened to totally throw us
completely off-track? And, and by the way, see this
book, ladies and gentlemen, I researched 10 years before
I wrote. I, I was determined to find out some answers
because a lot of things were established but a lot of
peripheral information was given too that we had to go
hunt. And say okay. Now this, this adds up. This is
making sense and I spent a decade researching before I
wrote the first edition, and it's been out there, gone
worldwide for about twenty years. Pastor Jennings is now
involved in the reprint, and hopefully it's the fullness
of time for this. God will bring it forth but in twenty
years nothing in here I've ever seen refuted. And
that's, that's just glory to God because it is, it's
just self-evident that some of it is so simple. It is
stunning. But it, one person asked me one time again to
try to expand again on how dramatic it was to hear the
truth of the 70 weeks and all the implications. It's
like laying the ax to the root of the tree because
everything that's. Yeah, it's going to come down.
Charles>> Once believed is now being challenged.
Robert>> Absolutely. And you wonder why such great men
of God can, can be so misdirected. And I said well I
look back in my history. Of course I was born and raised
Roman Catholic, the bred, the best nuns and priests
money could buy through schooling and stuff and, and
beyond that, even when I began to study the Bible and
these Futuristic books on prophecy. Well, I didn't know
there was anything else out there. I, I assumed these
teachers been around for a long time. I trusted them.
They were all consistent, they're coherent in what they
are trying to teach. And it's just like I trusted my
mother when I grow, when I was a young boy at the
beaches in, in Virginia, in Virginia Beach, and I
remember picking up a seashell one time, Pastor, and I,
I stuck the sea, seashell in my ear and of course. You
hear the noise, and I asked my mom I said what is that
and she said well, Robert that's, that's the echo of the
ocean in the seashell. I grew up all my life believing
that because my mom told it to me. I trusted her. She
was a godly woman, by the way, and but then one day when
I was in college biology I got a little illumination and
understood that no that is the echo of the rush of the
blood flow in the capillaries of the ear that is echoing
in the shell and gives it that surf sound. And all of a
sudden that myth was just destroyed that I held all my
life by simple truth and fact, and pastor, you know as
well as I do, what we're going to be presenting in this
series is, is we're going to present truths, irrefutable
truths. We're going to attempt to prove, well, we will
prove and what we don't get to prove you'll have to buy
the book, it will be in there. I promise you. And it's
going to point you in a lot of directions. We are going
to prove our assertions and I believe that it will, it
will be quite clear ladies and gentlemen, what the
implications of these assertions are because there are
empires of superstition out there that are going to come
down and, and you need to be ready for it, and hopefully
maybe some of this is part of that in its fullness of
time.
Charles>> Yes. To begin with, give us a definition of
the three main interpretations of prophecy. There's
Preterism, Futurism and Historicism. Give us just a
brief definition of all three.
Robert>> Ok and you know that's a challenge yo put that
in summary. I'll start with Futurism. Because I, I very
pointedly demand that it be attacked and that it be
unveiled and dismantled, but it is, it is probably the
major theme out there and what the Futuristic school of
Bible prophecy has been teaching us for centuries is
that its foundation, one of its, I'm not going to say
great foundation stone because it's crumbling sand is a
teaching that the Daniel, Daniel's 70th week of his
divine prophecy of chapter nine, the final seven-year
period was stopped and thrown into the future. That's
why it's called Futurism. It's like God put a great big
rubber band on a divine time measure and then in the
future we are going to have a seven-year tribulation
period. Around that Pastor, you know as well as I do
there's so many scenarios of a rapture, of an antichrist
yet to come, all all of a dispensation given especially
to the Jews, of a rebuilt Temple and sacrifice. We could
go on and on and on. That is the Futurist school of
Bible prophecy. It is throwing so much into the future,
which we can prove and men have for a long long time
have transpired throughout the course of history and
what's going to shock some of you is you're going to
find out where it came from, who started this ball
rolling, who were its original authors. What were they
trying to protect, Pastor? What was the battle all
about? What was the only doctrine that united all the
Reformation fathers? This has to do with all this and so
we have a doctrine called Futurism, but you're going to
find out, ladies and gentlemen, and I will challenge
anybody in this audience, you will not find one great
Protestant Theologian before 1826 who ever believed that
nonsense. And we're going to talk about that and it's,
and it's in this book, so I don't know if I did that
justice but that's, that's a little, little introduction
into Futurism. If you want to read about Futurism,
ladies and gentlemen, go to your bookstore. You know,
and we could name the authors and stuff. We're not,
we're going to name the Word of God, truth and true
history on this presentation. We have another let's call
this, let's deal, let's deal with Preterism. We're going
to talk about it. That's another great theme out there.
Futurism was designed to throw everything in the future
and quite frankly, it was designed to throw the
antichrist in the future to protect certain entities
which we're, we're going to reveal in this presentation.
At the same time this was birthed and by the way, you're
going to find out it was birthed, Futurism was birthed
by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Francisco
Ribera. That is irrefutable history, period. At the same
time Rome was trying to protect the papacy and launches
another, these are called great counter schemes to
counter Historicism. They launch another scheme called
Preterism, and this was launched by the scholar Luis de
Alcasar, another Jesuit priest and what he did, and a
lot of it revolves around the prophesies of the book of
Revelations. You see Futurism takes all that book of
Revelation, throws your seals, trumpets and vials into
the future around Daniel's 70th week and all these
scenarios where Alcasar said, antichrist into the future
whereas Alcasar said no, this all wrapped up before the
fall of Jerusalem and that before 70 A.D. That is what
the prophecies of the book of Revelation were about and
it, it has big proponents, big schools out there and
stuff. But again,
Charles>> Nero was the antichrist.
Robert>> And Nero was the antichrist and all this, but
folks you need to get your history books out and stuff.
Again, this was started by Alcasar, a Roman Catholic
Jesuit priest, and both of these priests were designed,
I mean Rome is smart. She gets her best men and at this
time we're in the Reformation. We're in the sixteenth
century. This thing is exploding. I mean, we've got
Luther, we've got, you know we could go in all
directions from there. So, counter schemes were needed
because one doctrine united all the Reformation fathers.
They had no concept of a single individual Antichrist or
vice Christ, or one who would come in the place of
Christ thrown into the end of time. They, they knew they
were living and dying under it. They knew that the
dynasty by the prophecies of Paul and Daniel and
Revelation, which Daniel and Revelation being great
sister books and the what they could unfold at their
times, they knew what they were dealing with so Rome
launches counter schemes. Rivera throws everything into
the future. Alcasar throws it into the past. Well, what
was fueling the fire of the Reformation and what was the
understanding of the Reformation? What, what was, what
gave men two hundred years prior like Wycliff and the
Lawlers and all these people the courage to die and, and
to fight and whatever? They knew, they were what was
called Historicists to the measure of history that had
unfolded that they could, they could deal with and the
historical school of interpretation, folks you want to
know where you are in the book of Revelation? And we can
walk, we can walk right through and find exactly where
we are. This is where the Reformation fathers were. Men
like Finney, Spurgeon, Moody, I mean, we could go on and
on. All, all these men were prophetic Historicists and
they did not believe that the, let's just talk about the
book of Revelation. They did not believe that the book
of Revelation and its seals, trumpets, and vials were
all thrown into the past as Alcasar's Preterism stated
or thrown into the future as Ribera's Futurism stated.
They knew that there were certain keys of knowledge and
understanding and prophetic code in the Bible. This is
called metaphor allegories, the language of the
prophets. It's clearly used throughout the Scriptures
and that one of the great keys of understanding that God
himself had given to us in the Word is the year for a
day, that I've appointed unto thee a year for a day in
prophetic prophecies. Well, we have several year for the
day prophecies in Daniel and in Revelation. And you know
what's, what's amazing Pastor is all schools of thought
have to bow to Daniel chapter nine.
Charles>> That's right. They truly do.
Robert>> They have to bow to the time measure as we're
going to expound on of being four hundred and ninety day
years. They got to bow whether they're
Reconstructionists, Preterists, or whatever, or
Futurists, they all have to bow because it is the only
Messianic divine time measurement in the Word of God
that is so accurate, well, they're all accurate but this
one is staggering accuracy is, to me is still beyond me
in comprehension. So the Historicist school said now
wait a minute. We know that there's a year for the day
in Daniel nine, But also there are great prophecies in
the book of Revelation and other prophecies in Daniel,
where we know that days are years, I have appointed thee
a day for a year and we'll quote that Scripture later
and stuff, and you have great Historicists and I talk
about one in my book here, Robert Fleming that the
Pastor, these men used to lecture English kings and
kings would inquire centuries ahead as to you know when
is this going to happen, and when is, when is this going
to stop. And, and in the book we talk about one great
prophecy that Robert Fleming tackled before the English
king and hit the French Revolution which had
implications, which had other implications fulfilling
certain aspects of a revelation time measure and they
knew day for the year. They were Historicists.
Charles>> In this book that Robert has written, he has
listed several men, prominent men of the past who were
Historicists and it's men like, John Wycliffe, John
Knox, William Tyndale, John Calvin, Zwingli, Philip
Melanchton, Sir Isaac Newton, John Huss, John Fox, Hugh
Latimer, Nicholas Ridley, John Wesley and his brother
Charles, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, Charles
Finney, Charles Spurgeon, these men had an understanding
of the Scriptures that were not tainted by what we call
modern dispensational Futurism. In the day in which we
live brother, it seems as though that the majority of,
of the public ministries, I'll just call them public
ministries, those that are on television and radio and
holding seminars and selling a lot of books, the
majority of them are Futurists, so therefore the minds
of the listeners, the minds of Christian people in the
Western world are just totally consumed by this
Futurism. In other words, the next thing on God's time
clock is the rapture and immediately after that is the
antichrist. Well, some people some Futurists put the
antichrist before the rapture. Some of them put him
after the rapture, but they put the 70, the 70th week of
Daniel immediately starting at the time of the rapture
and then they squeeze all these events in the book of
Revelation, they squeeze them into a seven year period.
But that's not the way history develops. History
developed over a period of hundreds of years and our
Protestant forefathers lived through part of this for
all during the Protestant Reformation. But the Roman
Catholic Church, they came up with a
counter-reformation. They had to because the Protestant
forefathers that we read and that we admire, they
pinpointed the succession of popes called the papacy as
being the antichrist. Now many of you this is not new to
you. You, you've heard this before, but you've never
heard it Biblically expounded like Robert's going to do
in not only this program, but other programs and also
made so clear in this book, and I want to encourage
everyone to order this book, Seventy Weeks. You can look
on our, on our website. You can call us. You can send us
a letter or an e-mail. Just say I want that book about
the 70 weeks of Daniel and we will also send you this
supplemental book called The Origin of Futurism and
Preterism. That will come with it and if you're not on
our magazine list, we'll be glad to send you our free
magazine. But there's a lot to talk about.
Robert>> Oh, there is and the point that you just made
of, of naming the counter Reformation, you we
encapsulate the writings of Ribera, which if I may have
that book futurism right there, you can just say Ribera,
Preterism you can say Alcasar, they fathered these
nightmares. They are the tools part of the tools of the
Roman Catholic Counter Reformation because they had to
try to protect the papacy. These, these as you were
talking about developed in time and men were finding
themselves in the book of Revelation. People were
finding themselves in prophecies all throughout even
back into the Old Testament times, and oh we can go back
to Grecian Empire and Alexander the Great being shown
and stuff. But they, they they identified themselves,
but they and they fought over many doctrines. Because
we, they were just coming out of, out of thirteen eleven
twelve thirteen centuries of nightmare, but they
unified, they knew the popes of Rome dynastically were
the seat of antichrist that was sitting in the Temple of
God and folks if you're looking for a literal temple to
be built, have we got news for you in a coming episode
because I challenged the conference in 1982, Greek
scholars, I asked them one question at the end of that
conference concerning the Temple supposedly of the
Futuristic antichrist, nobody could answered it and they
never had a conference since.
Charles>> Yeah. Well, Robert, we appreciate you not only
being here but writing the book.
Robert>> Thank you.
Charles>> I want to also mention that Robert is
available for conference seminars. He's available for
just a church service to come and expound on these great
truth because we must, we must, in the Western world, we
must again awaken to the truths that were believed and
expounded in the Protestant Reformation, but we in the
Western world we, we have fallen away from a Protestant
mentality and we've gone into kind of a generic
Christianity and it even involves some big preachers
going into the New Age movement because they have no
foundation concerning one of the things that they're
missing and that is a proper understanding of the 70
weeks. That's why I'm stressing that it's very important
to have this book and we'll send you this, this other
book as a supplement to that and it will be well worth
your time and effort and thank you very much, Robert and
Robert>> Thank you for having me and I'm looking forward
to the series and getting the truth out there and it
will, it will be exciting folks. I, I promise you we
will allude to things but they will be proven in this
book.
Charles>> Amen. God bless you and God bless every one of
you.
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