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OF THIS?
FAREED ZAKARIA IS JOINING ME.
AT WHAT POINT, IF THERE IS SUCH
A POINT, DO YOU ENVISION
ASSUMING THE VIOLENCE ESCALATES,
THE DEMONSTRATORS SEEM TO BE
GETTING SOME GROOVE, IF YOU
WILL, THE UPPER HAND.
AT WHAT POINT WOULD PUTIN SEND
RUSSIAN TROOPS INTO THE UKRAINE,
FAREED?
>> OH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A
COMPLETE DISASTER AND I THINK
PUTIN KNOWS IT.
WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS EXERT
HIS CONTROL AND INFLUENCE WITH
VERY LARGE OFFERS OF MONEY.
REMEMBER, PUTIN HAS UP TO THIS
POINT OFFERED $17 BILLION.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
A COUNTRY THE SIZE OF THE
UKRAINE, THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF
MONEY.
I THINK HE KNOWS THAT IF HE
WOULD HAVE SENT RUSSIAN TROOPS
INTO THE UKRAINE, IT WOULD MEAN
THE END IN SOME WAYS OF RUSSIA
INFLUENCE IN THE UKRAINE.
ALREADY THERE IS A GREAT DANGER
THAT PUTIN MAY HAVE OVERPLAYED
HIS HAND.
YOU KNOW, IMAGINE WHAT THE
UKRAINIANS ARE THINKING RIGHT
NOW ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH THE
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT IS SUPPORTING
THE PRESIDENT IN HIS CRACKDOWN
AND YOU POINT OUT 100 DEAD,
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS MORE
WOUNDED.
>> THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, PRESIDENT OBAMA, AS YOU
KNOW, HAS WARNED OF, QUOTE,
CONSEQUENCES OF PEOPLE STEP OVER
THE LINE.
HIS CRITICS ARE SAYING THAT'S AN
EMPTY THREAT, IF YOU WILL.
THE U.S., THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION HAS MADE SIMILAR
THREATS IN SYRIA, RED LINE
SITUATIONS AND DIDN'T FOLLOW
THROUGH WHEN THE RED LINE WAS
VIOLATED.
IS THIS A HOLLOW THREAT?
>> IT ISN'T A COMPLETELY HALLOW
THREAT.
REMEMBER, THE UKRAINE IS NOT
SYRIA.
THEY THINK OF THEMSELVES, AT
LEAST IN SOME WAYS AS EUROPEAN.
THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THE
MODERN WORLD.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE A PARIAH
STATE AND IF YOU WERE TO TALK
ABOUT HOW OFFICIALS, MEMBERS OF
THE MILITARY OR POLICE WHO WANT
TO TAKE PART IN THIS CRACKDOWN
WOULD BE HELD PERSONALLY
RESPONSIBLE, IF WE THREATEN THAT
THEY WOULD BE PUT ON SOME KIND
OF A WARCRIMES LIST, I THINK
THAT WOULD HAVE A VERY POWERFUL
EFFECT.
NO UKRAINIAN GENERAL WILL WANT
TO BE DECLARED A WAR CRIMINAL.
SO I THINK IN THAT SENSE THEY
HAVE LEVERAGE.
LOOK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEND
TROOPS INTO THE UKRAINE.
THE EUROPEANS ARE NOT GOING TO
SEND TROOPS INTO THE UKRAINE.
SANCTIONS ARE A MIXED BAG
BECAUSE YOU WOULD DRIVE THE
UKRAINIANS CLOSER TO THE
RUSSIANS.
THERE WOULD BE NO U.N. SANCTIONS
SO YOU HAVE A LIMITED CAPACITY.
THE CRUCIAL QUESTION IS GOING TO
BE WHAT THE UKRAINIAN ARMY DOES