Yeah, I think we did the term Muppets before we got the show Sam and Friends - a few months after I started working.
I do remember doing shows strictly in black and white, too, so you're right.
Yeah, we pretty much had a form and a shape by that time - a style - and I think one of the advantages of not having any relationship to any other puppeteer was that it gave me a reason to put those...
And also there wasn't much money in television in those days anyhow.
I decided that what I really wanted to do was go off and paint.
I think my own strengths are in television production.