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\f0\fs24 \cf0 >> Joanne: A NEW REPORT BY THE\ ACLU FINDS MOST PEOPLE SERVING\
TIME IN COUNTY JAILS HAVE NOT\ BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME, THAT\
INCLUDES SAN DIEGO COUNTY.\ IT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR FINDINGS\
OF THE REPORT "PUBLIC SAFETY\ REALIGNMENT, CALF AT A\
CROSSROADS ."\ WE HAVE A ADVOCATE HERE TO\
EXPLAIN AND HEAD OF PROBATION\ SERVICES.\
FIRST A STORY ON PRISON\ REALIGNMENTLAST SUMMER I SPENT\
TIME WITH SAN DIEGO SHERIFF BILL\ GORE AND TOURED A LOCAL JAIL AS\
HE PREPARED FOR REALIGNMENT\ >> THIS IS OUR MAIN HOUSING\
FACILITY.\ IT HOLDS ABOUT 1800 INMATES.\
WE HAVE ABOUT 1500 HERE.\ WE HAVE MINIMUM TO MAXIMUM\
SECURITY HERE.\ >> Joanne: THIS DOESN'T LOOK A\
LOT DIFFERENT FROM A STATE\ PRISON.\
THE CELL BLOCKS, METAL COTS AND\ TOILETS ARE ALL STANDARD.\
TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AND YOU SEE\ THE OBVIOUS.\
EMPTY CELLS.\ IN FACT SO MANY EMPTY CELLS THIS\
\page ENTIRE BLOCK CAN BE CLOSED TO\ INMATES WHILE REPAIRS ARE MADE.\
ACROSS THE ROAD IS DONOVAN STATE\ PRISON.\
SO PACKED THE GYMNASIUM SLEEPS\ IN TRIPLE BUNKS THIS IS STRIVING\
TO SEND THOUSANDS OF CONVICTED\ FELL ONS TO LOCAL JAILS.\
>> MAKE NO MISTAKE THIS IS NOT A\ GOOD STORY.\
SACRAMENTO HAS FAILED THE\ TAXPAYERS AND VOTERS AGAIN.\
THIS TIME THEY'RE PLAYING WITH\ THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO RESIDENTS.\
>> UNLIKE CURRENT OFFENDERS WHEN\ THEY SERVE THEIR SENTENCE THEY\
ARE RELEASED WITH NO\ SUPERVISION.\
>> Joanne: THIS PRESS IN STATION\ WAS MADE TO THE BOARD OF\
SUPERVISORS EARLY THIS WEEK\ ABOUT THE IMPACT OF 2000 NEW IN\
HATES TO SAN DIEGO JAILS.\ >> FIRST TIME JUNK DRIVERS, DRUG\
DEALERS AND PETTY THEIVES COULD\ BE RELEASED EARLY.\
>> Joanne: THEY'RE NON VIOLENT,\ NON SERIOUS AND NON ***\
OFFENDERS.\ >> THEY INCLUDE IDENTITY THEFT\
IN HUGE PROPORTION, VEHICLE\ MANSLAUGHTER, DRUG DEALERS,\
BURGLARS AND THE LIST GOES ON\ AND ON.\
>> WE ESTIMATE 85% OF THE GROUP\ WILL BE SERVICES AND MENTAL\
HEALTHCARE.\ THROUGH OUR PAST INITIATIVES\
TYPICALLY HALF OF THE ELIGIBLE\ POPULATION WILL SHOW UP FOR\
SERVICES.\ IT WILL COST APPROXIMATELY\
$8 MILLION FOR BEHAVIORAL\ TREATMENT TO 50% OF THE\
POPULATION.\ >> Joanne: THE BOTTOM LINE THE\
INMATES ARE GOING TO COST SAN\ DIEGO ABOUT ONE HUNDRED MILLION\
DOLLARS A YEAR.\ THE STATE SO FAR HAS COMMITTED\
\page TO PAYING PART OF THAT MOUNT.\ ABOUT 65 MILLION.\
FINDING $35 MILLION TO PROCESS\ AND HOUSE ALL OF THE INMATES\
EXPECTED TO COME INTO COUNTY\ JAILS WILL ONLY SOLVE PART OF\
THE PROBLEM.\ >> THE CONCERN IS THE LONG TERM\
INMATES AND PROVIDE PROGRAMS SO\ THEY'RE NOT WAREHOUSED FOR 18\
MONTHS TO 4 YEARS IN A BUNK WITH\ NOTHING TO DO.\
>> Joanne: SHERIFF GORE IS\ WORRIED IF HE WILL BE ABLE TO\
PROVIDE REHABILITATION PROGRAMS\ FOR INMATES OR IF THEY WILL BE\
JUST ANOTHER REINVOLVING DOOR IN\ THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.\
>> WE NEED PROGRAMMING IN OUR\ FACILITY AND HAVE SERVICES FOR\
THESE PEOPLE TO TRANSITION TO IN\ THE COMMUNITY SO THEY'RE NOT\
JUST KICKED OUT THE DOOR AND\ GIVEN A BUS TICKET TO THE OLD\
NEIGHBORHOOD.\ >> Joanne: NOW COUNTY INMATES\
SERVE A AVERAGE OF 75 DAYS.\ THE NEW INMATES WILL STAY ON\
AVERAGE 18 MONTHS TO 8 YEARS.\ >> WE THE COMMUNITY HAS A VESTED\
INTEREST IN MAKING THESE PEOPLE\ SUCCESSFUL.\
SO WHEN THEY REENTER OUR\ NEIGHBORHOODS THEY DON'T\
BURGLARIZE YOUR HOUSE OR STEAL\ MY CAR OR WHATEVER.\
HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE SKILLS TO\ SUPPORT THEMSELVES.\
>> Joanne: SO FAR COUNTY\ OFFICIALS HAVE ONLY CRUNCHED THE\
NUMBERS.\ NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT\
WHAT TO DO WHEN INMATES SERVE\ THEIR SENTENCED HERE IN SAN\
DIEGO OCTOBER 1st.\ SHERIFF GORE, A SELF PROCLAIMED\
OPTIMIST, SAYS NOW HE'S LOOKING\ AT THE CHALLENGE AS A\
OPPORTUNITY.\ ONE HE HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO\
\page PAY FOR.\ >> IT'S A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY\
FIRST OF ALL.\ THESE PEOPLE ARE IN MY CARE AND\
CUSTODY.\ FROM A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT IF I\
CAN MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL WHEN\ THEY GET OUT SO THEY'RE NOT BACK\
IN MONTHS.\ TO ME THAT'S MORALLY THE RIGHT\
THING AND FISCALLY THE RIGHT\ THING.\
TO ME IT'S A NO BRAINER.\ >> Joanne: JOINING ME ARE\
MARGARET DOOLEY-SAMMULI,\ ADVOCATE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND\
DRUG POLICY OF ACLU IN SAN DIEGO\ AND MARK JENKINS HEAD OF\
PROBATION DEPARTMENT IN SAN\ DIEGO COUNTY.\
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.\ >> THANK YOU.\
>> THANK YOU.\ >> Joanne: THE BIGGEST CONCERN\
OF THE SHERIFF WAS THE COUNTY\ JAILS BEING REINVOLVING DOORS.\
IS THAT A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.\ >> THAT'S THE RIGHT QUESTION.\
COUNTIES THAT TRY TO ADDRESS\ REALIGNMENTBY JUST LOCKING\
PEOPLE UP BECAUSE THEY CAN NO\ LONGER SHIP THEM TO STATE PRISON\
WILL, WILL TURN INTO THOSE\ REINVOLVING DOORS.\
SO, WHAT SAN DIEGO COUNTY NEEDS\ TO DO, ALL COUNTIES NEED TO DO\
IS IMPLEMENT EVIDENCE BASED\ PRACTICES TO STOP THE\
REINVOLVING DOOR.\ THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT\
COUNTIES SHOULD BE CONCERNED\ ABOUT.\
>> Joanne: NOW MACK JENKINS IT'S\ YOUR JOB, YOUR DEPARTMENT'S JOB\
TO SUPERVISE PEOPLE WHO ARE\ COMING OUT OF STATE PRISON ON\
PROBATION OR INSTEAD OF GOING TO\ COUNTY JAIL THEY'RE ON\
PROBATION.\ HOW HAS JURY JOB CHANGED SINCE\
\page REALIGNMENTBEGAN.\ >> WE HAVE HAD A GROWTH IN OUR\
WORKLOAD WELL.\ HAVE ABOUT 1400 NEW OFFENDERS\
WE'RE SUPERVISING.\ WE'RE ADJUSTING TO THE\
POPULATION.\ WE HAVE AN ADVANTAGE.\
WE ARE USING HE HAD DENSE BASED\ PRACTICES.\
WE ARE APPLYING THE CONCEPTS TO\ WHAT WE'RE DOING TO POST RELEASE\
OFFENDERS.\ WE KNOW THAT WORKS.\
>> Joanne: THERE WERE MOMENTS IN\ THE VIDEO WE HAD COUNTY\
OFFICIALS SAY THE PEOPLE WOULD\ BE LET OUT WITHOUT SUPERVISION.\
THESE ARE DRUG DEALERS AND SO\ ON.\
IS THAT THE EXPERIENCE SO FAR.\ >> THE POINT IN THE VIDEO THAT\
WAS SHOWN WAS AN ELEMENT OF THE\ LAW THAT HAS SINCE CHANGED.\
AT ONE POINT IT WAS ORIGINAL\ VERSION, A PLAN TO RELEASE SOME\
OFFENDERS WITHOUT SUPERVISION.\ THOSE FOLKS SENTENCED TO JAIL\
THAT DON'T RECEIVE WHAT IS\ CALLED A SPLIT SENTENCE.\
ONCE THEY FINISH THEIR JAIL TERM\ THEY'RE NO LONGER SUPERVISED.\
THE LAW ALLOWS A SPLIT SENTENCE\ FOR A TIME IN CUSTODY AND A TIME\
OF SUPERVISION.\ WE'RE ENCOURAGING THE USE OF\
THAT OPTION SO WHEN INDIVIDUALS\ FINISH THEIR JAIL SENTENCE THEY\
WILL HAVE A TIME TO BE\ SUPERVISED BY PROBATION\
OFFICERS.\ >> Joanne: MARGARET LET'S TALK\
ABOUT FINDINGS IN THE REPORTS.\ I MENTIONED THE MAJORITY OF\
INMATES IN THE COUNTY JAILS\ HAVEN'T BEEN CONVICTED OF\
CRIMES.\ >> THAT'S RIGHT.\
>> Joanne: WHY.\ >> OVER 71% OF PEOPLE IN COUNTY\
\page JAILS IN CALIFORNIA ARE WAITING\ THEIR DAY IN COURT.\
THE NUMBER IS SLIGHTLY LOWER IN\ SAN DIEGO BUT STILL HIGH.\
WE DON'T HAVE VERY GOOD PRETRIAL\ POLICIES.\
WE HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE IF BAIL\ IS SET.\
IF YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO PAY\ THAT FOR NO OTHER REASON THEN\
YOUR INABILITY TO PAY YOU WILL\ STAY BEHIND BARS UNTIL YOU PLEAD\
GUILTY OR ARE CONVICTD IN COURT.\ THAT'S TOO MANY PEOPLE.\
WASTE -- WASTING JAIL SPACE THAT\ WE NEED TO RESERVE FOR PEOPLE\
WHO BELONG.\ THERE.\
>> Joanne: I READ AN EXAMPLE IN\ YOUR REPORT.\
IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY FOR EXAMPLE\ IF YOU'RE CONVICTED FOR --\
CHARGED WITH WRITING A BAD CHECK\ BAIL IS SET AT $20,000.\
>> RIGHT, THAT HAPPENS\ AUTOMATICALLY.\
WHAT SAN DIEGO COULD DO BETTER,\ AND ALL COUNTIES IN CALIFORNIA\
COULD DO BETTER IS RETHINK THAT\ KIND OF AUTOMATIC SET OFFING OF\
BAIL AT A LEVEL MANY PEOPLE\ CAN'T AFFORD.\
FIRST ASK THE QUESTION, DOES\ THIS PERSON POSE A RISK TO\
PUBLIC SAFETY?\ ARE THEY LIKELY TO SHOW UP FOR\
THEIR DAY IN COURT AS REQUIRED?\ IF SO LET'S PUT THEM IN THE\
COMMUNITY WITH MONITORING IF\ REQUIRED.\
LET'S NOT HAVE THEM IN JAIL\ WHERE THEY MAY LOSE THEIR JOB,\
ETCETERA.\ >> Joanne: CHIEF JENKINS YOU\
MENTIONED SPLIT SENTENCING A AS\ OPTION.\
WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING IN SAN\ DIEGO COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THE\
PEOPLE YOU SUPERVISE DON'T END\ UP BACK IN COUNTY JAIL OR IN\
\page COUNTY JAIL.\ >> MARGARET USED THE TERM "HE\
HAD DENSE BASED PRACTICES" THAT\ INCLUDES THOSE WHO ARE ALRIGHT\
TO RELEASE PRETRIAL, BUT ALSO\ IDENTIFYING THE SERVES THAT\
THESE INDIVIDUALS NEED TO BE\ SUCCESSFUL.\
LIKE THE SHERIFF TALKED ABOUT IN\ THE VIDEO.\
WHO HAS THE HIGHEST RISK TO\ COMMIT ANOTHER CRIME AND WHAT\
KIND OF INTERVENTION SERVICES DO\ THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL.\
THAT'S WHAT USING HE HAD DENSE\ BASED PRACTICES IS ALL ABOUT.\
IT'S TELLING US WHO SHOULD BE\ LOCKED UP AND INCAPACITATED FOR\
A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, VERSUS\ WHO ARE BETTER RISKS IN THE\
COMMUNITY.\ THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.\
IT'S REPLETE TO MANAGE THIS\ CHALLENGE WITH 109.\
>> Joanne: SAN DIEGO COUNTY\ FARED FAIRLY WELL IN THE REPORT.\
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOUR\ REPORT WANTS TO LET PEOPLE,\
WANTS THE COMMUNITY TO TALK\ ABOUT IS NOT TO BUILD OUR WAY\
OUT OF REALIGNMENT AND EXPANDED\ JAILS AND BUILD NEW JAILS.\
WE KNOW SAN DIEGO COUNTY IS\ BUILDING A NEW WOMENS JAIL AND\
EXPANDING A FACILITY.\ WHAT IS THE SINGLE MOST\
IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU THINK A\ COUNTY SHOULD NOT DO WITH REGARD\
TO ADJUSTING TO REALIGNMENT>> IT\ SHOULD NOT MAKE THE SAME\
MISTAKES THE STATE HAS MADE.\ TRYING TO BUILD THE OF PRISON\
AND JAIL OVER CROWDING WILL\ NEVER WORK.\
WE HAVE SEEN THAT AT THE STATE\ LEVEL.\
WE IMMEDIATE TO CHANGE OUR\ APPROACH TO PUBLIC SAFETY.\
WE NEED TO LOOK AT PREVENTING\ CRIMES, LIMITING FUTURE VICTIMS\
\page AND MAKING SMART CHOICES FOR\ ALLOCATING RESOURCES AND GETTING\
WHAT WE WANT.\ SO THE EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICES\
THAT THE CHIEF REFERS TO A LOT\ OF THIS IS DRIVEN BY DRUG\
ADDICTION, FOR EXAMPLE.\ SO LET'S ADDRESS THAT BY MAKING\
SURE TREATMENT IS AVAILABLE.\ >> Joanne: I KNOW THE FULL\
REPORT IS ON OUR WEBSITE\ KPBS.ORG.\
MARGARET DOOLEY-SAMMULI AND\ CHIEF JENKINS, THANK YOU FOR\
BEING HERE.\ >> THANK YOU,.\
>> THANK YOU.\ }