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And we're recording.
I'm Charlie Cho.
I'm Norman Yeung.
Norman's here from Toronto.
I am. I'm originally from here though. I'm an East Van kid.
Grew up here. We're just totally
used to this crazy medium. We're not sure who to look at. 'Cause it's polite and
yet
I'm looking at three points. I feel there's a slight lag. Is there? I don't know.
It's so weird. Anyways, um, let's talk about
Anne Darling. Sure. I mean, there's so much.
But let's talk specifically about this thing. I'd love to.
I'm going to ask the boring question first. What is it?
Anne Darling is a film that I've
been. Well, I've been working on it for, I'd say, maybe three years now, but only in
the
in the writing level that for all those years.
And it was just about one year ago when I finally decided to
okay, make it a real thing then instead of just let it sit, you know, draft after draft
in my hard drive. So I approached Aaron Kopff
who's a friend of mine who's also a film producer and filmmaker.
And I said, Aaron, here's my script. Wanna...
What do you think? And he gave it a read and said, 'Yeah, man, let's make it.'
It is, was a short film and
we recently we did a Kickstarter campaign for it.
It was quite successful. We raised 119
per cent of our goal. So we made almost $24,000
of $20,000 goal.
And that's thanks to so many people
by the way because the way crowdfunding works is just mind-boggling about the amount
of thanking
that has to be done.
Now that we have this nice little nest egg, that is a substantial
bit of money to make a short film, I've always thought of it as being a feature
too
and not so much as Anne Darling being
a short film being stretched out into
being a feature-length story. More Anne Darling the short film
is one chapter of several chapters
to make a bigger story. And so
at this point in time right now at this very turn of 2014,
I'm writing the feature
that includes the short film Anne Darling and after the feature script
the first draft is written, that's when I and the other producers will sit down
suss it out, see if we can get traction to make the
feature move forward. Basically the funds
we raise
for Anne Darling will make the short
film. But whether it remains just a short film or as one chapter a bigger film
is to be decided soon, but the money is going towards
Anne Darling. Now you have also
made, and I've seen the short film. Have there been two of this trilogy
already?
Oh, I see what you're saying. What's it called again?
Two of my earlier short films are Marnie Love and Hello Faye.
And Anne Darling follows the same title pattern
similarly into terms of metre and all that.
A woman's name. But it's not really a trilogy.
But you did have a trilogy in mind or no?
Or you just said that? No. If ever the word,
if ever the word trilogy had been attached to me thus far, it might be
for some plays I've been working on. That would be
a bunch of teas. My first full-length play that I got produced
is Pu-Ehr, a tea. And I'm currently working on
Oolong. I've been working on that for a long time. I write really slowly.
And I imagine the third chapter
Not chapter - third play - to be
I've forgotten actually. I think Lychee, but I haven't really
decided that one yet.
But they're stories of Asian Canadian families
nowadays. I would like it to be a contemporary take on
where we're going.
For instance, to button that, what does that mean right? Being an Asian Canadian
nowadays?
Oolong is all about interracial
families 'cause that's where we are, that where we're going.
So despite what I
might have misunderstood. So Anne Darling is not
part of that. Like anything said about
a trilogy with regards to your films was clearly...
I wouldn't say clear... No no, I don't think you'd be completely mistaken in believing that
because of my earlier short films Marnie Love, Hello Faye,
one could assume that Anne Darling could fit in that.
But that's not how you see it? Correct, yeah. It is not a trilogy, but it sure sounds like
one. Okay.
To someone who doesn't know the story, how would you describe
what the story actually is about Anne
Darling. Well, for Anne Darling... I might have to differentiate between saying the short
film or
feature because the feature as yet unnamed but
and Orleans where we're going to start yes a talk about that yet
I we have a character named
Daniel who is a depressed and he
try steel shake out at his depression by
by next relation somehow and
a the larger picture that name it can just be a synopsis but i wanna talk but
the chair
Gottex course yeah that relates to the the story
um I find that when we are extremely sad now it is and depressed et cetera and
and
I closely a I had close relations to
the world depression friends and such so I i understand a lot about it
a and we seem to be a lot more depressing
or at least its out in the open bar which is good a but
the ways we try to shake off this
sadness or escape it on
there are many ways we do it which are not necessarily the best ways
drinking a helluva lot is one way at-large or exactly what you go to a
lotta parties you could
Boyd the problem you could avoid seeing a doctor you could avoid getting a
perscription
or you could you could get a prescription a
or counseling or whatever it is or go have sex
and the reason to bring up these kinds of things in that
how do we escape sadness and that's basically what and Darling is about is
this character Daniel
he sets up to a chatline
meeting with the an older woman to meet up
for sex and when they meet
he discovers that she reminds him his mom and
he reminds her of her son and they have some family issues of their own
so so they're they're in their meeting for sex is actually
way more iron detailed with
unexpected connections and so that makes their
it their so called Escape from sadness a whole lot messier
expected a and then he ends up going to a party where he meets a young women
whose a writer like him and she
shows him a bit more a different kind of
happiness a suggestion happiness to escape
days actually bit more fruitful than what he encountered with this
*** encounter that was actually not help us just distraction
so basically he will end up
looking for more thinking about professional help which is
something another way of escaping sadness that
really ought to be tried rather than sex and drugs and ***
pay yeah yeah that's a bigger story to about %uh the feature which is yet to be
made
written is about how do we skate sadness and and what I'm interested about
a is a the more sordid cider
escape which is the sex party
drugs all that *** a because they are really not
there that the distractions but they certainly don't use all things but
they're interesting story exactly because
I'm and guessing that in moderation
that's play you do that's what a lot of us
Duzer in moderation yeah I think we all do yeah
I mean what the book is the easiest cliche about
you're feeling so that she can go to a box of chocolates or
on that I feel so depressed that whole chocolate cake they look so good
yeah it's kinda funny sorta but it is you know we're yes certainly not as
devastating as
you know and drinking some the death or or you know banging everyone site or
whatever
you know sad people do try to escape it but we've known it
for ever about you trance
you try to transcends our sadness with
another sensation UK that is not really helpful at all
but it sure makes you feel good for a moment I'm I'm gonna
dispensing tapping com
and and I think we're both admitting that there are times in which you go to
these dark depressing place and its police unit any jobs we are
you know are discrete to people and that's one of the belt to go to
and wanna and and maybe this goes to that in a different way
which is in order to come back up
you see how far you go down like in one way or another
again thank you don't have to literally go with the team dressed as a yes as I
can you know
yeah you hermit for X number and a half
and then years ago alright I've had enough I'm gonna clean up
shape in this next up to the door yeah you know it but I think that's something
we
probably have to learn more for ourselves and who comes with maturity
doesn't get a bit older
that something on my mind a lot now all the time it's just about batf Richard
I'm you know no longer 16-year-old but a
about what we with experience we learn how to take care of ourselves
and there was a time when I felt extremely invincible when I was younger
and if I felt
a troubled or stock or whatever it may be I
I I kinda felt like just avoiding it
just disregarded such things rather than taking the time
that's required to actually worked through it or give the body and mind the
rest it needs
just like I said maybe do wanna call into a dark hole right
and an ABN and I think if that's what we'd need in order to
we set ourselves to move for to repair from it
we should allow other or if we also need help
with that because it's just too hard to get out of here then we ought to
recognize
that there is help available even and that sounds so
PSA help available but I'm talk in the AM calling friend
you know a and in my own moments of sadness
I have drink a whole lotta *** with friends and those with a friend to help
me out
actually cuz they were also sat in only if it measures rather
into oblivion but we picked ourselves and
private I feel like maybe if they get really sad lecture by Prime
I'll call it he told a friend you're gonna invite me over for
cokie excess water yeah
but they I did it took me to the same for yourself know that you know you're
no longer 16-year-old sister
trip together to take care of yourself better
it varies I i think I think net trying to know
what the baseline it's good sometimes I find it very interesting
to now that I work
and and servo like I'm up front facing any more like I use to not only
you know I mean even one as media at any to pick up the phone but as people come
into the studio new greet them and
so you're public-facing and then i win me people like you about business cards
oh you know that kinda stuff but now I'm or less
like I am in my office like I don't interact with the public
you know I just email on even pick up the phone very much anymore
so I've allowed myself I think it's kinda liberating sometimes
which and it's going to be very basic
you know it's not as I thought totally the the
perception the nerd like that backed up you know the bloated never showers kinda
guy
but like I get to a psych and and I did this the past I style my hair grow for
about a year
it looked like where they're yet yeah along right and i really miss
yeah anywhere that okay
yeah and basso said that kind of stuff
on so knowing what that is like sometimes you do feel like make use of
fatty foods but then sometimes
think it was just a matter of not going out to eat psych
get yourself be skin creams put it together eat it
you know to psych so certain levels are those things like what is important to
you
I'm I mean at various levels right like gas
as a writer sometimes like which you hibernate
to say focus on that paying for extra period
and then emerge later on or I am
or is it about a I mean for me I am a person
original to patter like wants II
12 becomes a habit then then I can do it easily
and I know that about myself so for one a good habit then I'll
I'll make it a habit or if I'm not ready for it ask okay you know what
I it's not a part of my routine yet one I'll get there maybe later on
but you know a fully agree with you
I you yet
so much of what you said applies to me and and I i feel like a a
there are so many topics within that I wanted don't wanna responsive
one that just about right off the bat and is about a
haley said a your you're not ready
for to did not think that you have it yeah already are expected maybe later
yeah and I found about the something I
worked with over the last few years with acting is a
no I don't use that word method sets used incorrectly
so often but a in talking about the
netted approached acting and using
real experiences to build truthful performance
we sometimes we as an actor's who believe in this stuff
sometimes EU's a traumatic event we actually went there
and this could lead to it its so torture and actually is not necessarily
beneficial to the
art because we are after all making work crafting performances artist
and it occurred to me the I don't think experiences
for I ache I came to this epiphany not by my own need
but applied it later I first heard it I think from some other actors maybe some
renowned ones that we all know that their famous
I can't remember it's been a long time but it came down to this
if you can't use if you'd if your gonna play scene where someone has died
for your mother has died in a scene in your actual mom died
eight months ago it sounds really awesome to be able to use that
it might not be right it might be too soon
or just might be completely inappropriate to use
your that like experience whether it was your Monday night months ago or ten
years ago or 30 years ago
still if you're not ready to use it then don't
and I feel artists or human beings but
in this case ask with people we may wanna
we do a a masochistic stuff often
where we feel like we have to torture ourselves in order for to mean something
a and I'm back in a debunk that I sometimes do feel that at certain about
suffering
it's a really good art but I feel like if we're not ready
and put it aside it'll be there if needed later
at were maybe never and I want to quit that's what you're saying but your habit
a where with a.m. with basic living have it
more creative habits like rating a if it's not there yet
is no need to force it they could come later
yeah created habits that actually
a big thing which to be honest on
I've struggled with as a play I think I realized that
as much as rating is individuals work
you know he sat down in the rain compose
I still found like for example when I use to you
write more regularly for rice paper magazine or when as part of a sketch
comedy group
rating at that was joyful because even though you're writing a thank you for
sharing immediately
in the case that sketch comedy group at a table or
appealing to start a perception because with the magazine like you would
field that there is a larger world that had these connections to it and you
would go
that's kinda like indirectly one way or the other
a race paper experience which in a weird well I'll be here
this is actually one other because we we met through
me being at a library you coming up that table okay
there that happens yes am
but so that relationship between
a community in one way or the other like whether to sketch comedy group or a
larger community
readers are artists it was
alleged be active get the same time
it was when when I was in its turn my worser
her are less good times it was a Burnett
I got to bear this burden a if only I were free
belated to do this format npr
beholden to this but now
since then because I have kinda reached at liberal
let this are not liberal deliberated stay like us doing this now is not
beholden to any
Thursday but it's become harder
because it's not routine at least within that structure
there was a routine for texture shop beholden but like a
like four times a year you put out a bangor
rafter what and
show howdy what drives you because I think you
NS said before that you're fairly productive
for an artist who which
there are you know not everyone s at Evelyn
stays productive on these various levels
or how do you do it well I struggle with it all the time be honest
and I think I i would assume every artist a struggle with it too
a and
beholden is a kid wear it because I feel for me actually maybe we're better
russians opposite I think we might have but different and
poll okay whatever pulls us to move forward creatively
because for me I do need to feel beholden
okay and and and and any use it for you
the idea any network it works but at the same time
II you know I know is she okay you have any damage or Denver
I don't know how how much of the creation comes from
you know you or or great I needed no no no please I
I'm totally enjoyed sharing the spotlight quite between us be a
the idea being beholden is what I need and I i buy I
learned throughout my years to sum it up in one way I'm not ok to make things
to get work done not only do any that deadline I need a deadline
consequences because you can easily
ask friend to pure drama tear tear your script story editor
and say a okay much worse is when draft reissue
okay comes March 1st you're not ready sees a dear friend
so much so that we can your friends like by that's great
but what if it was a deadline on March 1st
that if you missed it you wouldn't get money
to pursue the production ovett you
a whole cast and team will not be able to rehearse
got a camera or a
something will fail if you don't complete
your *** and that's what I need
II and thats it's not easy thing to find actually to have some to be beholden to
some people
which is why it's easy to let a certain piece of work
and move extremely slowly or sit on a back burner for
years unless someone is waiting for it and not casually
something that will suffer you don't get your *** done
so yes it can feel like a slug sometimes and feeling beholden is not a
not great feeling but against the SSO concrete like you're talking about like
festivals are
or that kinda same or what are you talking about are you there
everything that that is rather special lights a
yes it's a festival submission deadline or
any submission deadline you don't meet that deadline
then your thing won't get put up it won't move forward
or a if we take take it a little more commercial level
a you won't be able to make
but you won't be able to shoot this show
and there will be dozens of people whose livelihoods are depending on it for
their pay et cetera even your own
like they're certain deadlines you cannot miss and
and that and those deadline seem to work the best for me
I think a lot about this I have spoken to also progress any
that's actually pretty the most shared
tree between artists as procrastination a
and attacks it but in order to create
a deadline pre-salt that is at just as important
is really hard are you have you ever been able to create a deadline for
yourself a trader
deadline where there's no one waiting on the other side
yet you still had the urgency to complete that's really good point
probably not
you know and I mean sometimes in terms of as he say stories
sorrow stories need to take them out I'm like big like twisting fortunes began
as an idea began as a radio play which
never really became I'm
get a at it did that was national for me wanna be a stage play
and I mean sure their deadlines and it was true
like once we book that Peter and I was gonna happen like that
fantastic yeah but its
it's like jump rope braid waiting to which cycle the jump in on yeah
yeah so there's that you know what I i an image that I've
I treated myself to see myself moving forward
is a okay
I I actually don't usually like talking about projects I'm working on
until they're for real happening like for instance they never
like talking a geoghegan acting gig that day
have until I've actually got promoted my custom fitted
because even though at that the contract signed in the bush in all that I saw the
one announce it until I know you're
maybe even you know I thought might cost you 1 seed in the mirror and it's for
relaxing the call sheets and all that ***
I wait so late in the game it's a superstition but anyways
a so that's my one approach to personally to announcing
projects some people are quick to announce their projects
all the time that's cool events that help that's right to it always seems
like they're doing something to go yeah I'm
I'm I'm working on a few projects true Joe yeah yeah
and and and some princess on actors love actors I know
a like talking about auditions are coming up that's great you know everyone
has their own approach to
how they deal with their work in other people I
personally don't like talk about auditions at all its most people never
know even had one for certain thing
on this just my own personal approach
but something that's good about letting people know
is that when people know you're beholden to deliver
when some people know the train has started to move them
and you better hang on to that train and not let go and you better keep moving
forward with that train
a to what's fulfilment otherwise a
in this failure and egg on your face and all that stuff and and and and
importantly it to your friends you but there
more is that or is it now I don't know you mean is that our entire
people you know I mean if you let a for example the idea of having like a lot
your friends to Nick as if you never told them sure
doing a lot of people wouldn't want that a lot people could have been
disappointed by a presentation
right or whatever your performance but because they're your friends who care
and know you
I can meet for or does it I have personally
well I think it I don't know anything it depends on project project and the
yeah I future say no sometimes how
there's a different feeling with the when you're presenting
work to people who have some kinda unconditional love
in for you it's hard to say all your friends should be
a yes then a but
and and yes it's good to have critical been super on yeah exactly
yeah but I think the approach
is something I really enjoy the present work to complete strangers okay
yes because I kinda feel their response
has last bias in UK and a day date the general public
has very little 20 the artist Bay and so
they can be cruel one thing but they can also be very constructively honest
and some friends so sick a friendship unite
not need to offer a critical opinion
when think it some early to friendship but
on I will admit that
social media like Facebook in particular has affected my
create a process in a particular way make sure like on one hand like if you
ever played like
there's a certain level motion you can do with it but as a writer when things I
found
quite on limiting and that kinda intimidating about it
is when I was like a when I would read from newspapers and magazines
and stuff would be out there go out like you know
being published in The Vancouver Sun meant a hundred thousand people
read it and then but when you reflect the reality
is like honey people are actually reading your words many people actually
care about it many people
like that level of discussion and is not reflect
even among like intelligent fighter friends on Facebook not sayo
well today a red as being the New York you know
make you know there are tens magazine today and I read the Saxon article
and here's my now all set it's like share like
yeah and it was kinda soul sucking in a particular way
like I spent as an example like I
really cared about what electronic books were doing to
the world and some people thought that it was really cutting into the credit
where it was due tomorrow characterizing it because
requires electronic device to read and what was that doing
and I spent a lotta time out what I thought was a very thoughtful essay
to the world and they were kinda open a crack at Tyco
now wake I know there's an algorithm happening there
like that's not surfacing like that
like that pay back and I can go is that in ice reflection or is it just
your computer filter and that actually not the right medium
to you be sharing I think
in and actually expensive things such as YouTube and I kinda feel like
a I am no longer try to
think the internet as an arbiter a audience
a where I do fall into this mistake
every day all the time frightens doing this mistake right now probably
which is a you do something you put on the other you make a post on your
Facebook wall are you make a tweet
or you host something on your blog
in the and you assume everyone's read it
and clean when is your friends says something
a and you say didn't you read it
I just read it last week I talked about that you assuming
they know what you're up to right when the fact is it's so easy to miss
everything even if what you wrote
was brilliant or your thought was incredibly insightful or whatever it is
the car
the quality of it might be extremely high invaluable but
the people's access to it and now it is nowadays is
is completely on a
it is it is not equal there's its is no equity between
the quality of what we're doing and the perception of it
there are some meters like you okay so he's got ten million followers I guess
he's yes
and other stuff like that right but then to be honest in this out so terrible
about said
up for real I see some people on Twitter who are
I guess elect their kids like 40 parents health care they just are I ran across
you come across anyone interested and some of them have liked all the
thousands of followers
and aunt and a beat some other tweets and I and they talked about
regular teen things like high school and all my parents are being really be into
me
yeah and things that I am important to them certainly
yeah but to a large audience I don't really
Noel if the conversation need would be
at that level ever need but they have all these followers
and I'm wondering white what a it
why Lake white isn't what is interesting enough about this stuff
and sunny so bad here but i guess im guessing if you have tons of followers
or so many people read a being right that does not mean anything
right about the quality of the content yeah I mean I mean obviously and we both
know probably in the early days of Facebook and every
have friends on Twitter who just friend everybody
you know and there that cycle to go alright
it up you know so that happens at any rate the number friend
the pollard is not yeah in a and some cases it's
it less meaningful no know how do and and and this maybe goes into
the medium that we choose as creative people rate any you're making film
your you're acting you doing theater what would seem to be fairly
conventional thanks to a certain extent other you are
like Kickstarter you you're used to fund your fellow yacht making it available
in digital form your you know part iv: that rewards our
degil strips out you know simpson there's an element to it
I'm and I suppose for me
the digital medium offers
offers opportunity and maybe that's why fight kinda
this hope there's there's a kinda simple
I am I a try to find opportunity it cuz I mean
winning comparison with fresh paper magazine right like like even
in 2000 when I was like at home working on a PC trying to create a
basic website so that people in Vancouver where they to go to trial
until we know what plays were playing on what day and we think buy tickets online
and in it right
more so now it's like boom video post right
so there's that opportunity and yet its
disruptive on many different levels in a good way and it that way
you know you're here this is something I i a I i realize that the audience and
the audience the Internet
has just created more everything it's created more ***
and more beauty and more a billions
and basically I think about a
what it wanted a great revolutions that the digital stuff is is still making
media
a images especially our video and and
win digital video became so accessible to everybody
a that the filmmaking community did worry about an influx of ***
and yes we do have yes is a hun up *** there's more *** and there
ever was in the hospital world
so much *** now YouTube is crammed with ***
but it's also exposés to a lot more
voices and visions that work to deserve our attention
that are contributing to us and moving us forward as
as a culture and as a community so
but the Internet has basically givin
almost everyone the tools to do something
and habit Beach shared and what's being shared is a lot of ***
and a lot more good stuff also so I i on one hand I
a talk badly about the way things are going I would ease technology and other
had a couple embracing
and I think I guess it does went back to what you're saying up to the
mediums that I work in our conventional they've been around for a long long time
but I have embraced the technological digital
internet 'em utilities attached to
the salt forms come is that
talk to avoid I don't think we should avoid ray right
I mean in time is in terms have visual arts as well i mean
do its cool paintings and yes you know smartphone cases and and and and and
your images are widely distributed online sure they're
they can become people's wallpapers Nasher day yes yes so
but deduce chance take
any anyone had those kinds of experiences is more legitimate than the
other
like 0 you know like if you were to see
and I guess there's apartment answer question but
not right because like happy today you wanna wall
if you were there and sinus it be one experience accepts
it's no longer there so this is the only way UNIX going to net yeah
I am I I think this happened a few months ago where
a certain think it was a buncha
is it's it's a new to I
the innovation thats I think taking high
extremely high quality use cancer
photos or something imaging love the world's greatest
in things and such that we'll go to the loo then MoMA
cetera to look at and I think that's becoming
it's supposed to be like a library where you could access
the world's great art from your desktop
but legit like this not tired it's tough to let you know sanctioned
real highly curated and quality stuff
and I think a woman who was involved in that
she was on this in an interview and she stressed that as much as this is
a enriching to culture as a whole to have access to the
a real clint to a real rock
rather you know a on even though on your computer screen
mean the you don't have to travel to see it as a lot of people can afford to
travel
but it it still will not match value and experience it seem he sings in real life
so basically she was the she's answering the question will this killed in need
to go to art galleries and museums and her answer was no
and I agree with that because there is something about
a lives experience that can never be replicated
in any way except through life and
one of my favorite examples a a 1
medium not being a facsimile for the original is theater
in live performance dance especially dance and
certain takes a theater not so much
singing and concerts i'd like I don't think because there there are some so
many excellent concert film
occur to be in the concert is another cricket and I think he can be replaced
by
items but a I guess I'm trying to say is how many
a films a play
I don't mean an adaptation of the play for film I mean here's the stage play
let's film it that's not very engaging
I mean there's some ways like the net opera does that and it's great not
scared I'm proud and glad it's there
but it doesn't match or you know it doesn't
meet the same experience being there and at the same time
if anything I think I you wanna watch up a play
through atlantans I hope it's kinda
a way to encourage you to see their next production
or this production still on if you can get the means
go see it live then ought not like a commercial you don't think they're
to whet our appetite to want to experience it live
I you know that's one reason why theater isn't it we've been talking about dying
for ever
with every new invention thats battery-powered in
that's come out we think peter is gonna die it won't die its with Peter dies
human psyche
Windex ties been singing dies when music dies human side
those are you know a film making could die
and will still Sabha yeah bill making films have been around for a very proper
film cinema has been up for just over 100 years
we've been around for thousands and sewers so the essential arts
their lives writing to and will die
if Brenda sir yes yeah
and so many ways I could go on it's a guy I'd
there is a party that wants go to the theater route not on
but before we get up I am curious about
the Kickstarter experience Sharon
its unique it's the first time you done yes it is
okay so have wide why this time
me well in terms
okay comes down to how do you get money to make you think and you
and in in Canada we do
a rely on the grant system a lot
that's just the way it works here in fact if I'm not mistaken america is the
only country
that does not have a socialized
are a does not have a socialized film
funding body okay they might have a little bit here and there but I actually
don't think I'm wrong so
so you might want Google and be corrected run by don't think
ok night late word it doesn't have a doesn't have a telefilm
or British UK Film Council a group called
all the things that you see the end of the bill let's not American
they usually have a a government funding body
for that known to be made a
so we're used to that here and we rely on it
a its it up valuable thing to have and I
a fortunately benefit from that system myself
but it cannot be relied on
in terms of its not a guarantee
North Kickstarter guarantee but you have a direct connection with your potential
funders
and you can get the money you need to make your art
in 30 days whereas the now network
the amount of waiting for grant could be six months
a and with crowdfunding you don't have to go knock on the same doors over
a diana sent to it and asked to do
product placement you thing or something by the way I'm addition commercial
and you haven't done that I have another yeah I have to
and I i actually I will want to in my career I do want to make them
things that they do also rely on conventional funding
ok it's because I want to experience it do wanna
by it's also I'm also glad and get experience in this new for
coal company and a
it's very fun it's exhausting it six
it I lost five pounds to straight up there
I was obsessed over because I needed money
as we are when it's all-or-nothing it's all or nothing our Kickstarter
yeah and it yet there are other things that need to go get better at that work
in different ways
but we generally the company experienced
can be fun it was actually but as exhausting and
it really just a everything everything out of me
I didn't even sleep on telling for reals the ragged man
a in a clicking refresh haley's
one dollar more advanced than its yeah and the amount of us
pride that has to be put aside to ask
publicly for funding like this a.m. hopefully some people don't have to
have difficulty with it family I do ended with
swallow my pride in saying please give me money it's not easy
but all that stuff was worth it
its fun in the end you get to make things for your donors
and you get to communicate with them in make friends even with strangers across
the world because
they believe in what you're doing and you strike up a conversation in school
and there's a real community even with other fellow a whether Kickstarter
creators were making their own campaigns there's a community that simple that's a
bit of a Stockholm Syndrome actually where
we share each other's pain until y'all I kept
you you'll be hard-pressed to find
many Kickstarter a creators
who didn't go to hell during the campaign a
its not yet it's it's accion
many people want to give up
in the middle their campaign because it was not moving
and then it's the final three days where ideally and often a cascade of money
comes in because why will procrastinate
but so anyways and so do I I protesting all the time myself and I
a I am slow to find other people's project but I do
I do kick in there with the money
so its yes in again why do it whatever they just said it's a nice adventure
well I think I just said doesn't usually come with the credit rating process
you know grant writing is also a laborious and
it takes everything out of a person to but it's it's it's not as it's not fun
writing is not fun it's very technical it's very
a there's there is an amount a bureaucracy involved
a whole lot of mystery until later in till you know until
the jurors are in the house which is fair transparencies great
but it's just a whole lotta I don't know you know it's kinda late
here it is know what's next
whereas with crowdfunding you know what's happening you're in control it
you're not getting just enough yet late you're in the military campaign and that
that that that need
that need ur just gonna and the training tactic I
let offer a new report a for fifty dollars or twenty five dollars and you
don't taste them
and you do it and yes some people like I wanted to
I i think that I think money sucking at that new wherever
her right I work income were pretty much in complete control of our funding
that's brilliant arm
but I'll it feels more reliable because you can gauge
to the progress with the conventional funding methods
%uh so he'll marry but I'll do it a diet
and I i think we the second future funding that for arts
a combination of all the above
some people bleak are planning is the way the future will be I agree it'll
just become stronger and more
a commonplace a but a
I don't think it'll be the only way asserts certainly the commercial and
corporate
route funding for arts will not go away and there's a great benefit to them
also I have to admit 'em
you there are many many many many works at arts and
are and festivals would not exist without a commercial and
and you can ask anyone who's done it Apple ad who are indique red
and they say the same you don't care I and
the socialized method of funding
I hope will not go away because there is something that's very
that's actually another okay that's a benefit that is in necessary down
happening has been judged by peers
a being assessed by kieres and contributing to
a community that you're involved in already and being
there that is a great something there that's valuable
also I think I've never been a juror so
a I i don't have experience of that but I do know it's all
in canada it's it's jury appears
and there's something sanctifying
about that sometimes infuriating sure but
a it's nice to know that you're you know it's your your fellow
sisters and brothers were looking at your work
am wanna things and and I'm not sure
it by the time I hate your Kickstarter page how much a bit at the ball
by that time but looks incredibly well prepared and used
and in our conversations you emphasize its art just you
it was your fault even asking help listed ok I get a ghetto
so how how did you again like you pull the trigger a certain point
how much preparation did you do in advance
and how the pistons were already revving up by the time you get
whatever that button yeah I am I'd say
the you if your gonna do a campaign on Kickstarter and I can't speak for the
others
is a I have never traded on IndieGoGo or such
family donated but with Kickstarter you ought to
prepare well in advance and
somethings a even though I did my research is also the research it's all
out there
Pixar is also extremely transparent they have a policy %uh whether your project
is successful
or unsuccessful it will remain on their on their website
for research and transparency a
and side of my research I did a lot of research it is it a lot
you too Dutch man-hours but like
kinda like what we're doing and where they talked about how they made a
successful campaign
right and they traded some trade secrets and such and so I was prepared
but still I found out in the middle of my campaign
I I was doing things that they could have done it should have done earlier
like setting up my media things for interviews and the contacting the media
and getting the word out
I did then a little love it shoulda done that earlier a
I iight we I have a team of producers it was late but since the best in total
trading this campaign a
we haven't and hard about creating a and then darling Twitter
handle account until like that last 10 change
well because we're like is a really effective guys do we need it and who's
gonna take care
we are given up on our plates and eventually only reason I decided to her
Twitter
and and our landfill after all was
when I started to contact and film journals and such
it sounded a bit I don't know
II on unprofessional or just a bit weirder detached that
it was me Norman young speaking about the spill
it but the name that shows up is my name not film
and for me to talk about the project as myself Norman young in like
a to to give it they got to let me know if you like
not too shy to do that you know so by when under the name a and our landfill
and talked big about the film that's then it felt more comfortable
because it's the filming represented by itself
rather than me saying he check out this great project that I'm making
and yeah I'll
this is a film tell you that this film is this yeah that's kinda that feels
better
that net that's at
I mean a that's why I think that I find awesome about you but I still find it
funny
yeah thank you like how much how how much out there
are you like you are the who the *** is Norman yeah
yeah yeah
officia British I am confident guy I guess I don't know
yeah iight I talk about things that there are done
and I talking things that I am doing I don't like talking big about things I
have yet to happen
including things you can get funding for yeah I don't like talk about that too
much and that has to be talked about right
like picture ever you gotta tell everybody yeah
yeah a but back to that stuff about you and and getting
you know big big up their project in an ounce in all that stuff getting it out
there
a I could have done a faster job at it
on the front and a bit and
another key thing actually tell you the truth if we were to get down to it
I just put a friend about Kickstarter campaigns last month
cuz she's what to do saw her own campaign and I keep her a lot
tips we talked for two hours straight I told her ahead of time %uh
I told her you know about happy to share
these thought the sick a these lessons with you
but it's getting a long time it's a lot to say issues
extremely receptive and i'm glad she cleaned a lot from what he had to say
but really T the to all everything I learned about doing just as one campaign
a.m. I can talk for two hours about because they're so many ways to
I do things better than the way he did
or also the to reach your goal like we did
and also to make it look better
again that sounds so they but went 1 example is
a it helps to make you can in look healthy
right after right off the start unit at the start and outlooks desirable and I
guess we like
desirable things that are strong and healthy and look like winners
because we like betting on a winning foresee and sometimes we
like me I do like the underdog but when it comes to
crowdfunding campaign it is it looks good to look strong
as fast as possible a I learned that from someone else
on you too and from my own experience agree 100 percent said
you secure like some big funders right up to yes
if you can a one way to do that is to ask
uncertain I guess family and friends were going to donate anyway
you tell them could you please do on the first day
a yeah I didn't do that actually by the way we look the week
for a number days I T up to the first five days I thought that the biggest
loser honor
strata has it was not move in I worked up to
after after launching a book I but I Russia at night
and then the you know in a night's sleep and woke up in OC
alright I was seven hours ago six hours ago let's see
and it's just like and 500 bucks
mad felt terrible and the
but then I wish I I knew this ahead of time that every
every Kickstarter campaign tends to go to the should say every
menu you get you can to get me started yeah everything I learned about chaotic
at twenty to two hours that I
a cut short after 7-10 yeah I i cast
a is iron
most campaigns will get the overwhelming majority of campaigns will go to admit
campaign low
where it will nay removed and you will feel like
*** because you think you will fail
and you will consider canceling I'm not the only one
i've seen one of my favorite filmmakers means famous
go through everything campaign any celebrated
in the military's campaign he said guys just like it happened gonna
canceling and his legions of fans including myself said no
no to hear this is the pattern at day we'll all go through this make campaign
low
and usually the money lows in later
stay in there and he says OK and yes he was
eleven thousand dollars more successful a
I don't wanna see who can share but he did reaches 300 something
thousand-dollar
banks camping I am I guess last question
are believed to this because you're right we should move up this extra point
is on
boba was the turning point for E I like you talked about a mile
well was the turning point well with two big turning points the first one was
after five days a feeling like a total heal
and that nobody loved me or the nope I feel like nobody loves me and the people
on my team who I thought were
we're pretty strong very lovable yeah I guess the on-line slash
as a team or even more unlovable israeli gang up on lovable people
a then after about five days we got a extremely generous donations from
a dairy wonderful
company who gave us a a substantial amount and that
really helped it to set our spirits need us
it more than helping the project you know which it let numbers
it made us feel like yes I guess we are doing something
worth making and then I went through a long layover didn't really move where
about 50 percent for
maybe we're two more weeks
and it was in the final five days
that I think it might have been when I started
a offering my paintings at a really low price
on II asserted offering as a reward
for 100 dollars donation on
smoking 12 by 12 inches that at galleries that would normally
sell for about two hundred something 209
a and I was offering it for one hundred dollars and I kinda was saying
if anyone's ever wanted a painting from me
here's a really cheap chance Lake it's a lot cheaper than normal it
you know and you're offering like custom stuff as well thank you willing to
paint patrons into the paint oh yeah which is it yeah I did enjoy doing it
was okay waking up he turns into their
into the work if they want it yet I am and has basically offering my artwork at
prices that are not usually offered
and I think but you up some interest round up some interest because
I yeah it we reached our
we wish for twenty thousand dollar goals looked cool with
three days to go which is which felt really good message that the first two
days
I am and that's when we could kick in
stretch for which many campaigns do because twenty thousand dollars is not
enough to make a
dispelled need more in their budget even said that many quite a bit more
but on so we said can we make 23,000 yes
and we ended up making almost went for that so we've been surpassed
special a so a
for some thankful for everyone to support in every way
but you also supported to in so many ways thank you for getting the word out
like
even get you into spreading the word was a great support is
kick-start is all about the more that people know and a better
get the chance getting success with it and
so he knows my turning point was when I start offering um
my artwork a at a price that is
less than usual by just to say I'm antenna
happy that I'm able to roll in by other disciplines into this thing
and because it's fine it's what I can offer a
and people like getting objects
like gadgets that's a that's popular Kickstarter is
gadgets but we don't have a gadget offer so I can offer
on I'll try and pick the future
that spot