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Recently it seems there has been a lot of talk about the dangers of
2C-I
or Smiles
some saying that it's a
new
killer drug
or essentially a menace to society
and I think a lot of this is probably over hyped
Firstly I would go with the fact 2C-I is not a ew drug,
at all. It's
at least documented as far back as 1991
in Shulgin's PiHKAL
Shulgin synthesized it
it's being around
documented in europe at least since two thousand one
so that's
at least 11 years
with no massive problems over here
Recently it has spread to America
where it seems they're having problems with
proper dosage.
I'd point out that
if you can't dose properly,
you shouldn't really be taking these things.
Specifically in reply to James D,
who said that
this drug allows people to be possessed,
because you describe them as acting possessed.
Acting possessed
is not the same as being possessed James.
The symptoms you are talking about can be attributed
to something called serotonin syndrome.
Essentially,
the phenethylamine psychedelics are serotonergic
they cause build up of serotonin in the brain, they react
the receptors for serotonin.
So
essentially what this does
is
overdose serotonin in the brain and serotonin-like molecules
which causes hyperthermia
'hyperthermia' being
overheating.
Causes myoclonus, which is muscle twitching,
muscular contraction
hallucinations, all kind of fun things like that.
So I'd like to point out no,
not possessed,
serotonin syndrome it's well understood.
you might need to read maybe more than just the on book.
You then followed this up with some Jesus themed ***.
Not important, just thought I'd point it out.
In fact this will mostly take the form of a rebuttal to your video.
So,
in your video
you also
gleam over the fact that it is clearly stated that the cases of fatality are overdoses.
I would like to point this out, of course.
An overdose
will kill quite
a few people
no matter what the drug is really. It doesn't matter; aspirin or
alcohol or 2C-I
or ***.
An overdose is an overdose.
It's just a fact of drug usage
in general.
I'd also like to point out
when people point out it (2C-I) is killing
'lots' of people
That it's
killing thousand of times less than
say alcohol or tobacco or
anything like that.
In fact it's killing far less
certainly than tobacco
by percentage.
I don't think half
of 2C-I users will die from 2C-i related illness.
...
Also quite a few people saying that it's like a combination of MDMA
and LSD,
and that it's more potent.
I would
hasten to point out that LSD is active at the microgram range
whereas 2C-I is threshold at ten, twelve maybe fourteen milligrams.
That's a difference of one hundred times as potent
that's
quite a large error, I'm not gonna lie.
It's like
estimating that the length of the
UK, where I live, is 7 miles. Which
it's
certainly not.
It's closer to 750-ish.
So...yeah...
um...
minor error there.
Again you talk about the
tripes lasting
days.
I'd just like to get something for you...this
is my beloved copy
of PiHKAL.
You'll notice that it is written,
if I can hold the book still enough, by Alexander Shulgin.
Right here, is
Shulgin's data on
the issue.
DURATION:
six to ten hours.
Now, I'm not sure what kind of crazy crazy days you have in America. But
here in England
we we have twenty four hours in a day.
I know that might seem a bit long
but it lets us get stuff done and
it certainly means that our 2C-I trips
last much less than a day.
You talk about the trip where a guy says that his girlfriends face goes black
and the black seeps
out of her eyes and this is
'demonic'.
Uh... no, not really.
It's a hallucination, that happens
when you take doses of hallucinogens, you
will hallucinate.
It's funny how that works...
it's not demons,
it's science; chemistry
and
neurology.
Two things you've probably never considered or really researched.
But, yeah, that's fun.
You say "you shouldn't do dugs at all"
you're not someone who has ever done drugs
from the sound of you. You're not someone who has any experience or knowledge of drugs certainly
from your video.
So I would say you're ill placed to really decide on the value of drugs.
I mean
Certainly, for my money,
the correct use of drugs is a
mind and spirit expanding experience
and something that I happily and responsibly indulge in.
I am suitably well adjusted, this is my
university room.
I am an undergraduate
in pharmaceutical chemistry, so this is
kind of my turf.
I am an
aspiring psychopharmacologist.
Again not demons, but science.
And again, drugs, used responsibly, are a
suitable tool for
the expanding of consciousness
and generally a life enhancing experience.
You say,
or perhaps quote, I'm not sure, we can't really see the article,
that's at best information available online
is trip reports.
I would say this is false as there's
a full copy,
I'll show this again, love this book so much,
a full copy of PiHKAL
is available online.
Literally.
You can't read all of this bit (the Shulgins' joint autobiography)
at the beginnig
there's a
up until about
...about...
here
about there.
That,
this thick wedge here is biography.
This thick wedge here, this bit *gestures*,
that's all information.
It's nearly four hundred pages, in fact I think it might even be more,
of useful reliable material on a number of phenethylamines psychedelics.
It is probably the
best source resource available.
You detail a couple of
terrible effects, one saying it's like a rollercoaster through hell...
there are always going to be negative reports. There are also a vastly higher number of positive reports.
Let me just get
some, for example,
...
one quotes is
from erowid.com, go find it,
it's from an experience report entitled
"The Gentle Empathogen"
No. 83378
"The 2C-I molecules flow through my brain like a kindly physician, examining me, touching my body
and soul in just the right places
to promote healing ad understanding".
I'd say that's a positive experience.
But in case you weren't convinced...
"Overall this was an absolutely amazing experience that I am excited to do again after a little
time has passed.
It has also excited me to try others of the 2C-'s.
I would recommend a slightly smaller dose for anyone trying this for their first time,
maybe 18mg.
I do not think I could have handled any more than 20(mg) my first time."
That's the kind of information that should probably be promoted.
Not "all drugs are bad", "doing drugs is bad"
"drugs will give you demons!"
That's a concept I
love. I will definitely recommend this possibility to
some of my professors.
We'll see what we think, it could
be the James D. Theory,
you know,
often important theories, like this one,
demon possession
...
they often get eponymously named. So, um, good luck.
You point out that someone says,
"Don't drive on 2C-I".
Which is as common sense, in principle, as saying,
"Don't drive on LSD"
which doesn't kill people, not a bad drug,
It's a mind expanding drug. Possibly one of the most spiritual experience the human mind can
entertain.
You shouldn't drive on alcohol. You really shouldn't drive on any
drug that
alters your reactions or your perceptions
not because
they're inherently dangerous. It's because
that is inherently *** stupid.
I mean
PiHKAL
has a glossary at the back,
and the definition of the word "Idiot" is "One who drives on psychedelic drugs".
It's...
it's just stupid. It's not because
the drug is dangerous. It's because you shouldn't drive
if you're busy looking at factals on the back of your hand...
or staring at the trees going past and watching them turn into men.
You'll crash,
it's just plain.
And
then you go on to
do more *** about
the reality of God,
demons, the devil, angels...I just ask...PROOF?
I mean, I'm a scientist,
I'd like some proof.
Then you hate on the gays, because
every self-respecting
stupid *** moron christian (not the majority) nowadays has
to
kind of a rule, I think.
Finally, I guess,
to round it off,
it's not that drugs open up the door for
demons to come in.
It's
the brain produces serotonin
it's really not that hard to *** understand,
if you read a book or two.
You know,
I would suggest that maybe PiHKAL might be a place to start,
maybe learn...oh, here we go, here's a book you might enjoy,
'Biochemistry for Dummies'
actually might be a bit advanced for you, but I don't think
that they do
you know
maybe "A is for Adenosine,
B is for Biochemistry,
C is for you're a *** Crazy ***".
The C there I took from crazy and not from ***.
That's about all I have to say on this.
Really I guess my points would be:
drugs are not fundamentally bad,
they are tools
to be used properly. In the same way you can break someone's skull with a hammer,
or you can
build a wooden frame for a house.
So too,
you can either kill yourself with an overdose
or you can actually use it properly and get something done.
I guess most of all
safety
safety, safety!
So follow the basic rules,
look around Erowid,
have a poke about their guide to psychedelics.
Lastly I guess, have fun.
Because it is fun, if you can do it properly. Not saying it is always fun. Sometimes it's not fun, but
integrating the experience is always useful.
Sometimes it's the
times that aren't fun that are the most revealing.
But, ultimately,
you've just got to keep on going.
I'm not saying that everyone should do drugs. But if you want to, just
do it safely, is all.
Nothing fundamentally harmful about drugs themselves,
though some drugs are quite harmful
in and of
themselves,
in being actually toxic. Again,
some drugs are toxic in doses above
their psychedelic and
therapeutic range. Like
2C-I is.
It will give you an overdose. Some drugs are
so non-toxic that it's not even worth thinking about. Drugs like
psilocybin
or LSD...
THC as well.
These are things that
you never need to worry about dose, you're not going to be able to
ingest a lethal dose i any
reasonable circumstance. Unless you work, for example,
in an LSD lab and you drink a cupful of liquid LSD.
That would probably kill you...
It's just about safety and just remember
'don't be a crazy *** like James D.
because
no one likes a crazy ***'.
Don't worry, Jesus isn't real (my opinion)
and the Apocalypse isn't coming (much closer to fact).
Yeah
that about sums it up.
I'll stop by next time there's a crazy *** talking some ***
so
probably tomorrow.
Stay safe! Have fun!