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but i a m trucks we have a great guest reader that's about three bills
wrote at the lobby
e-media complex
for the nation
and i i love this story sebastian lonely unter
i drank could be ready
i grade aditya you know wall that was the best thing to start with examples
so people get a sense of what would what you're talking about when you see the
lobbying media complex
i'd like to give you have been forty i don't know if you do but i love the
start with the example ron christy
am and who he
is
and what he
gets on air to say and why he winds up sent
and how he's identified so tells first tour on christine
right so ciaran christy and
now runs his own
government uh... policy consulting
uh... outfit
uh... at per pretty example in in the peace he he used to work at this place
called pc navigators which is
a republican leaning lobbying firm in deep sleep it's now called navigators
global
and for a couple years heat worked as a lobbyist for edgy
and
right in the middle of september
he made an appearance on hardball
which we cite the peace where you know he spoke very favorably about hank
paulson handling of the bail out the day edgy
now
what viewers didn't know when this is going on with that he had actually been
for several years
uh... working on yankees tab for this lobbying for
and dummy i'd i think that
basically one of the
the representative examples of
this kind of this kind of practice
ares in on one other important here
so run because he gets on there as a republican strategist they never
identified why he's actually a he says quote we need to move beyond anger
frustration in hysteria
and met argues for a edgy getting the money
because it would be hysterical not to give a ridge of the money
allies like receipt think that
d_c_ never years that sebastian just alluded to
paid eight edgy paid the d_c_ navigators
five hundred and ninety thousand dollars
so they take part money
then they hire lobbyists and representatives like ron chrissy who go
on air and say about how we need to give them one arctic for the saleh circle
works out
sebastian i'd only blame ron
and i mean he's
some people make a living playing baseball some people make a living
selling their bodies and some people make a living somersault okay that's
what he does right
is the real problem with the media
misleads the people by putting this guy i'm pretending is some sort of neutral
source
right well actually let me let me jump in their justice say that
that that hysteria quote i think what actually from this other guy
it was on the democratic strategist member card with men
uh...
and anti-military how confusing it becomes because
they're all these guys were basically telling the same line bombs
on on the i_d_
and into which is not which is not for them to pay directly that you know a
touchy is the greatest company ever or things like that it's more assertive to
tone down
did the public reaction to it to say you know let's not let's not get to angry
out by players lesson i just don't know for sure does my bet you're right that's
witnessing ok is on the same issue
and it's a perfect example out democrats and republicans
all get out there but i think it's even more important because if they own more
brazen about nick came out there like a i_g_ iraq's with his love aditi
they're going to be on the ticket right
yeah yeah i don't know when no one would take that seriously i think you're
absolutely correct bed
that would just be a little too
little people want to know rightly senses much more nefarious in a way
because
every comes out doesn't say you have to give the money that they actually
lasik only none serious people would talk about not acting here we need to
take action we need to see the country
et cetera et cetera they make it seem like it's an emergency and there is
bipartisan everybody agrees but there's a democratic strategist and a republican
strategist
and they all agree we have to give the money they actually
that now you know what action before coming back to my original question
about it
how it's the media's fault
a little bit more about democrats
you have *** gephardt you got tom daschle these are not minor players
these are major major players doesn't understand their own
immobilized evicted twenty you mentioned nagpur card because actually this is in
some ways cowed pc actually
came about is that i had just wrapped up
profiled gephardt for the nation
and right is it was going to practice uh... source of mine sent me an email
saying tdc picked apart this morning on msnbc
and you know i i had not seen him on msnbc i went back to c_n_n_
and as as i just spent about a month and a half through wording *** gephardt com
runs a lobbying firm after
having left congress that took a lot of work for
health insurance companies for pharmaceutical companies
for their trade groups and so he's definitely and of course they're paid to
do a sticky definitely got
and angle when it comes to health care reform policy
but as as we discussed in the peace here com
if he can win on m_f_n_ bc it was basically identified only as
a former congressman to knew the way to washington it could help viewers
understand
what was going on in and in this capacity he went on to basically
downplayed the public option take to give you a pretty
turf concrete example of of how this kind of stuff works and and then of
course there's also
dot tom daschle who has received at some attention the media i think the last
couple months
for his is dual roles as a
informal white house advisor and a
formal on the payroll of buys are of insurance companies mountain and he too
would
appear on television programs
you know very little
if any mentioned that you know he worked for or lobbying firms or that he had
clients issue
had interest in this policy
there was only one time one occasion that someone actually brought it up on
msnbc
but every other time including during meet the press um... appearances he was
treated it as
he was simply this
saddam objective former
congressman who was
dare to give his
unbiased army analysis of what was going on in the policy debate and what does it
still does in my mind is even worse because he doesn't technically lob era
register as a lobbyist that this is an adviser inside
and then he goes on television this is a
all i want the public it's great it's great
and then
secretly works behind the scenes to make sure that it gets killed
right so you please let services more dissidents that
the higher level of deception at least the republicans are pretty out front
about on the uh... mitigating your article utah about tom ridge
former republican governor of house and of course had almost thirty goes on
msnbc in says that we have to there's the way to solve and if you promise to
create more nuclear power plants weight doesn't tell you is that these on
serving on the board of excellent
the tune of five hundred thirty thousand dollars annex one is the largest nuclear
power company in that
that leaves me back to my original question so you got the democrats and
republicans both doing this it's brazen it's obvious abut yet ill understated
because that it's obviously people pay their ship but not obvious to the people
that are watching at home and reasons not obviously what general is because
the media plays ball and they go along with it
so are they that
the primary cooperative
yeah i know i i i agree beyond that newberry centrally p enablers and
and one of one of the really amazing things actually that i found out in in
reporting this piece
uh... without first off
a lot of these guys did it's not very difficult to figure out where they were
coming in
we're talking here you know under a minute google searching
will
for most of these cases let you know pretty much all you need to know about
you know their clientele or
but they work for certain lobbying for riffing frank that
and additionally some of these guys sab actually go to the networks and are very
approximate say you know here here my clients are
and is for their concerns that you know that is the ethical way to approach it
given format
d network and then they decide what information to put up on t_v_
bom andy you know when when you know that it's it's very hard to do to you
understand or why the networks
if if in some cases they're even confronted with this information
why they choose not to put it on
well sebastian we gotta go to that question that's of course
and we're going to sebastian joes from the issue of the great peaceful lobbying
media complex
it hurts the people question of polyester over a hundred times on the
show
bob are they just not that good at their job and they don't realize that all
these guys to come in on unfortunate gender
whether they get paid a lot of money to push and a little evaluators about
summer job talk about our great nuclear energy is julio ahead
as possible that a lot of them don't know right
which is on believable up or
do they know and they think well his corporate interests are aligned with my
corporate interests
and this is how we setup together to deceive the american people
right m
and you noted to that point i think
the media really
doesn't have a lot of romance due to make excuses and i and i think terrific
the cake example of this if he could whittle it down to one person who
represents
maybe an answer to the to the question you're asking
it's the decatur barry mccaffrey who
as far back as two thousand three the nation had reported on
his beard and sort of simultaneous work is a military analyst on t_v_
and as edit by either consultant
to defense contractors
but the point where it becomes very hard to understand it wins the new york times
publishes
not one
but to very big front page stories by david barcelo
on on the the issues with military analysts on
gandhi's t_v_ networks in one piece is just about barry mccaffrey
and his whole sort of
tangled conflict of interest
and this
series when the pulitzer prize and here we are every year later
after after that piece came out
a little bit over your later actually and they still happen
identified mccaffrey
as working for defense contractors when it comes on
they they don't it's just not something they did
antidote that's n_b_c_ who goes i think that right lol absurdly soon
loud and clear pretty crushing defeat but chi chi still owned by g_e_ players
edgy
designated disposed
ap bac
uh... well of of course not
dollar yes of course they do actually and and that you know that
that's a whole sort of aspect of of
of thief the content one-sided really explore the piece but you know people up
written quite a bit about you know the feet at at these media companies become
parts of much larger conglomerates
with all kind of business
that that enough itself starts to create
create problems card
at least at least optics wise if not practically for them right and
let let me just say that and here's were on a short on time
look i don't think the key is sits down and held by williams who did the
contract whenever barry mccaffrey comes on you do not identify incorrectly
but i think what does happen note is that
other people who don't play ball get weeded out
and that brings us to actually benfield who we've talked about a lot on the show
and she did not play ball up through the war so it was a bad idea and spoke out
and domenici spoke out there who literally put her in a closet
not only at the date not allow our on air anymore but they would let her out
of our contract
no one could have her on air
so the guys who play ball
all although and who do not identify these guys
and wind up
pushing this et
agenda forward
or they get promoted
the ones who don't if i haven't taken off the air and that's how you want up
having those lobbying media complex that we have
sebastian it's a great article we really in appreciate you coming on the enters
talk about
well thank you gary to answer questions
thought it would right now
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