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Yes, now that you mention the literature,
I have heard from you - correctly I think - that a ten-hour or twelve-hour workshop...
isn't enough to understand what Unitary Perception is,
then you invite them to read the work on Unitary Perception.
Unfortunately, a lot of people don't get really interested...
and they believe that with one workshop or reading a book or just one dialogue,
they will understand what Unitary Perception is,
then we make the most to invite our possible spectators to read the Written Work of Unitary Perception.
Completely.
Then, I would like you to express a bit:
what is the reason for a person not being able to understand?
They are very few hours - in a workshop - obviously,
to understand what Unitary Perception is but...
¿why isn't the workshop enough to understand Unitary Perception? —Of course not.
A workshop that lasts twelve or twenty hours,
is inside imaginary life and inside Precinct C in which all of us live,
then it's hard to understand what Unitary Perception is.
But...
the greatest difficulty is to make the difference between the two precincts, B and C.
But also the fact that we are talking about time being irrelevant as well as absolute,
and that one can live in irrelevant time,
is really a revolution in one’s life,
a mutation rather - psychological.
but I say that all that books have to be read, because there aren't other ones.
Then what happens?
It's difficult to understand it.
On the other hand,
this has repercussions in all human activities - Holokinetic Psychology.
Unitary Perception as a way of life,
as a functional fact of the brain,
makes us see all human activities in a new way.
In the Written Work we have seen this neurophysiological fact that is Unitary Perception,
from every possible point of view,
even from Religion, Exegesis,
Hermeneutics, Physics,
Chemistry,
Mathematics,
Psychology and so on.
From Sociology, History,
the so called "Politics" that has been so distorted.
From all points of view Unitary Perception may be seen,
in different ways and even with different languages suitable for every discipline,
which have their own language.
Then that's why I say:
if you want to understand well what Unitary Perception is,
you have to read all the books,
because in every book the same subject is tackled from different perspectives,
from the different human activities.
That's why I insist,
sometimes in a way that can look arrogant because one is the author of this,
the first author,
then it sounds arrogant.
They ask me: "What bibliography do you have?"
"Well, what I have written,"
because this is the first time that something is written about this.
You have written too and of course I recommend your books too,
Then, we are running the risk of looking arrogant if we say this,
I hope we don't look that way,
but we look as what we are: pioneers,
in the good sense that we have started something new and something that is necessary to be started,
because it isn't a caprice,
it's the answer from Psychology...
to that great epistemological and physical revolution that David Bohm has brought...
with his concept of Holokinesis, to mankind.
It isn't a caprice.
I hope this to be understood and that people take it seriously and read the Written Work, of course.
Well, Rubén, when we started talking,
you mentioned that Unitary Perception is the way out of individual and mutual hypnosis.
I would like you to go into in depth.
I mean,
if a leap exists - as it does - between Precinct C and Precinct B,
a leap that is non-temporal,
it's a leap that I think we could call “holokinetic” or the holokinetic leap,
that is not temporal, it isn't changing one's political party, it isn't changing one's religion,
it isn't changing one's position even, and so on.
That leap seems to imply the way out of individual and collective hypnosis,
and I would like you to expand a little about it.
Yes.
Every day I'm more overwhelmed with the every time deeper comprehension of…
I just finished a book titled "The Exit from Mutual and Collective Hypnosis,"
because I'm overwhelmed with the influence that hypnosis has in our lives,
in the life of all of us, including me,
in the hypnosis that is thought itself.
Thought is a form of hypnosis,
I'm not the one who says that,
but Bernheim, who was Sigmund Freud's colleague and friend.
He specified very well, scientifically,
why thought is hypnosis.
We have also other very powerful forms of hypnosis, influence or conditioning,
like genes,
not only epigenetic conditioning after birth,
but also before birth,
all kinds of influences which make our life known from Precinct C,
which is the repetitive, cyclic, dualistic life we live,
and which is, I think,
centered in effort,
it's a life of effort, because...
we go to school to be given problems and vigorously - doing a lot of effort - solve them,
and well,
from school and on everything can be an effort if it isn't lived in Unitary Perception,
in irrelevant time:
the effort of getting a girlfriend, the effort of getting a job, the effort of...
going from here to here, of waking up in the morning sometimes.
Some patients tell me: "Waking up to go to work is an effort,"
and everything seems to be an effort in human life.
Even we are told that we have to "effort for this" and "effort for this other,"
when actually it is't true.
Life can be lived in an extremely light way,
without effort, with intelligence, with compassion,
with much less conflict than the one in which we live,
that is Unitary Perception precisely.