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we've got a great guest three guys now senator gary hart he
is of course former senator from colorado
served three night he's
seventy five a ninety seven
he was read part of drawers mcgovern's campaign in nineteen seventy-two is out
of work chair professor at the university of colorado colorado
distinguished fellow at the new american foundation member on the council for
relations is co-chair of the u_s_ commission on national security
for the twenty-first century
i think again
went out of senator hart one of the other dot for the cockpit supports
climate respite okra
that you know the way the as i let that we're trying to use is also the author
now of the founder of the sunshine four seasons in a bird flight unsolicited
beginning senator hart first president obama
well i was pet generation that was motivated by drug category in later by
robert kennedy to
give something back to our country i was
born of
working-class parents in the midwest
and update did not have
political aspirations or or any background at all
but i did respond as a student in nineteen sixty and beyond that the idea
of public service
and one thing let's do another and you were nana mcgovern's campaign now my
formal cost and banquets ab
that is that as frank banquets
says expectorant regular work very closely
together on that campaign
uh... i knew banquets boys when they were quite young
yeah
good folks in equity save really arctic distinguished former
now uh... laporta
less than a lot of people turn away from emma govern campaign was well you can't
be too
right that's kind of hard to democratic party for all these years dot i don't
agree with that lesson but what was lesson you learned campaign and you
think people misinterpret well personal art spoke to her to every bookstore in
boulder
last night most
set up by saying
i have to recognize that uh...
dole under forty knows who i am of everyone or over forty
thinks ambit
so i have tipped
prophetic perhaps qualify myself dear listeners to explain george mcgovern for
president against great odds in nineteen seventy-two seventy one seventy two
oh against the incumbent president
richard nixon
he lost badly
but it was one of the he several periods in american history
all of the revolution took the sixties were going on the social revolution
the entire war protest
the emergence of women's rights the emergence of civil rights
the environmental movement it was a very
upheaval was a period of upheaval even in some ways social revolution
and he was
the democratic candidate for president in that period
he has been up most of the
wise pundits in washington
have said that his campaign was a disaster
i would argue in this book and before
that that campaign help keep the democratic party together
well why is that way
net well it was up and don't go even farther back in nineteen sixty-eight
there really was
chaotic
convention in chicago
but your blisters scam go back into history in
find out all about that there was literally blood
in the streets in chicago
and
going forward looking to the next election the democratic party
was threatened with boeing itself wide-open because it was a close system
dominated by a handful of
exited bosses
and they would not let young people
women minorities
war protesters of others into
the position of power
andrew george mcgovern led the effort to reform the party and open it up
and it was those reforms but kept the party together
so and very different times in other ways to you know richard nixon wanted
being mcgovern but
annexin air he'd obviously was terribly conservative in many ways but have by
today's contest would be seen as quite a liberal having created the environmental
protection agency among other agencies
we have it seems and
norma shift to the right that in our political spectrum for sam i seen that
ride you see the same thing out fill you are absolutely right in fact it's going
to stages
prepare wouldn't read richard nixon would be a liberal you'd be a moderate
republican
but all of them are gone and i talked about the book back
senators are served with in the seventies when i was very young
and
but
they were all
towering figures particular compared to today
and many of them were moderate republicans but they're all gone
they were replaced by the dan quayle generation
in the reagan years
and that all they are the quayle just operation
which i thought was very conservative
is being replaced by farther people even farther to the right
sources our d_c_-eight think might have been courses for
spectrum in the way that it has well we're trying to senator gary hart uh...
is of course senator from colorado ran for president
and he wrote the book the fund in the sunshine four seasons of bernard flight
so you know i've talked to ralph nader on the pass on this program in and
outside of it he thinks there's a big
sea change in around nineteen seventy two nineteen eighty
file when democratic party started they're getting more corporate money
involved it setup now because remember in the seventies is your senator back
then at least through seventy five on
when you're getting a lot of complex you know or shows for me please for me
a lot of regulation that was a protecting the american consumer
american public and all the sunday is a change
do you think precipitated action
well at a poor several factors i think the corporate campaigning
escalated dramatically
and the lobbyists began to play a much greater role power rolled in washington
then you had the advent of advocacy journalism in the form of
fox news and rupert murdoch
you begin to have a whole networks dedicated
to conservative causes and of course talk radio
led by mister limbaugh on others
and hammering twenty four seven
about the government being evil and democrats being evil
and that one or not
in the meantime you had three democratic presidencies
one jimmy carter for one term
bill clinton for two terms now
brocco bomb
contrary to what the right
these are not
lefty figures these are moderate centrist people in fact though clinton
made it safe almost cabbage
out of his center is a man triangulation
and avoidance
of going to the left
and
carried out welfare reform in a whole bunch of things like that
a lot of people for kind of conservative
deregulation of the financial industry
and a variety of things like that so
all of this rhetoric now that you hear on fox in your own limbaugh opt out
opa but being a socialist it's just he nonsense
no question earlier in the program we played a clip of glenn beck telling
about everyone and it's not everyone but almost a everyone in the administration
is a marxist
wants businesses grandparent
it's it's not necessary
i'm trying to figure out the cause stews
see whether we can reverse it
right at the given where we are now and given that the
state of the media in washington is so deluded
that there are taking people i glenn beck seriously
and it it seems that they're not
being what we're seeing this enormous ship to the right in the country not in
terms of
the people not in terms of the population but in terms of washington
right in the political party well i think that's right attitude marianna
huffington among others in her third world america talks about
the destruction of middle class
now what that what happens if that doesn't make people right wing it makes
from angry
and people in the tea party take
takes advantage of that anger and coalesces at against the government now
there's a lot for all new marcia popular look first to say it
it's totally different place that was what i have the opportunity to serve
their and we could get things done
and people had confidence in the government
but it is now captured by the lobbying industry and the special interests in
america
and they are squeezing
the life out of the middle class
and that means that
and if that doesn't mean the middle class is moving to the right is means
erp their berry
very very unhappy and with good cause
so no harm fight back because that
you've got fox's only doing what they do on their air but they seemed infect the
rest of the media
and if they need these are like things like this so called ground zero moskos a
real story
and that there's a real controversy in the distract people with that so they've
got this overwhelming power today the weekly standard made up a story about
how
dole balmy administrations go into the coke brothers taxer he's not true but it
is made up undoubtedly stalking about it you know if you've got that power and
they've got the power of the lobbyists which are you know has honestly infected
a democratic party to a very large degree but totally taken over the
republican party
how do you fight bag install that
i think the president has believed away then i have
that a defender videos and will continue to be
because i think he's
doing his very best but i think he does have
to come back to speak more often
and say pretty much what you've just been saying
he had to explain to people why this situation exists
now there is an erosion of confidence in him
because if there was
so much confidence in when he went in there
in january below nine
that he would clean house and straighten things out
and i'm freight karegi reasons he got sold on than necessity
populating is boost rations
with people from previous
administrations democratic ones
instead of bringing in a whole new team
and that has heard a great deal said was i would dot earlier today on the cell i
got a blight imposed by
i can
figure out why bronco bomber who ran on change
loves the establishment so much
did the four guys he picked larry summers that's him gardner rahm emanuel
peter or cycle is in about the budget director
ain't anymore salish from the nose guys and other possible replacements are or
if the guy named uh... jacob lou
who worked at citigroup and thinks that deregulation didn't cause economic
collapse it looks like he's in our place summers with a in other corporate
executive this fox yelled out i'm told them he was a d business
how do we get the president exceeding what he said he was going to do is a
warning to others that was read every opportunity
back but
wealth of stuff
there but i can't answer that question
i'd probably get the nobel peace prize
heehee it's not just those sample of people you mentioned
oh up-and-down the defense establishment the defense department the national
security establishment
the state department
and many of the other agencies at the
deputy secretary under secretary assistant secretary level
these are veterans of
of the clinton administration
many of them highly qualified people but that was banned this is not all that was
a different world even though it was ten fifteen years ago
two totally different world and i think he should have brought in as much as
possible totally new people
downforce lee has a so far will see you know will let you know that you know i
have another chance yes we will we'll see how it goes now had to come back
your book here how are you assess by at the end of
the you know writing the book in the books called the thunder in the sunshine
four seasons of the brightest light
set up our one of the lessons you take away immune from things that happen
positive the negative things that happen it said or what
well pat i would carrot
in an effort to boil it down very consistently as possible say first of
all
respect our constitution with this country's gotten in trouble every time
we skirted the constitution
and we did that under nixon with the devil midland johnson
we've done that under president after president
of the worst and most recent incidents
well to suspension of habeas corpus during the torture people shears
and democrat
voted
shame
on them
here
second point
live up to our principles it's very closely related to that first point the
people of the world respect us
when we
live up to our own
hi standards and principles
and we don't always do that which supported dictators we've undermine
foreign governments
week spied on people we've done some we tried to assassinate foreign leaders
that they violation of america's principles
third learn from history
this countries two hundred and twenty years old
were to hold to be adolescent and yet we continue to make the same mistakes
over andover andover
into the center of heart you came really close to becoming president obviously
right
and i'm truths about eggs if you want right
it when you came in office they would have told you like a pallet old every
president you have to do the spying you have to do this fascination is you have
to do all the things he said we just you just said we shouldn't do
do you think you would have been able to say no we're not going to do that
absolutely and because of the reasons in the book
my tape first assignment was shunted aside from the conventional was
conventional ones committees was to serve on the church committed an
investigative percy act
c_i_a_ we uncovered a lot of stuff
i learned that enormous amounts
about
the dark side elkhart national security operations
i knew of top-to-bottom
and i know who is involved and i knew how they work
and uh... eps one of the reasons lots of people
didn't want me in the white house i think
but in any case is no i had
six more years in the senate then perot-gore palmer had
that was those were invaluable years
sonar finally you know as we are having this conversation i'm thinking but we'll
order for the guy who
promise overwhelming change and
he got into office and they told him he's got a new x_y_z_ impeded x_y_ and
z_ that's reno my reading of it as i see it
you know we d we got bit more the same not any change that leads me to think
you-know-what the next time you can even trust the person so they want change
maybe they're way to tell this if the media in washington
hates a kennedy right right like however flight always have although i don't have
uh... i think they do that would be a great way to determine who should i vote
up or
well it certainly would be that uh... understood understood i was right at
that spectrum
i talk about that in the book as well i'd add another factor heart rate
demonstrated
willingness to buck the system and try to reformat and i offer my own
uh... twelve years there is evidence
all right senator gary hart author of the cinderella sunshine foresees an
enormous life thanks so much for joining us i'm leon it's my pleasure thank you
we'll be right back