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hasn't technology professor vital barnes the
i'm not sure you're supposed to be restaurants that kind of a tried other
issue me a dozen but what i have a little while with it
presentaci great great pleasure having you here
postgraduate haha gray debu now or specialty is written over a hundred
books prolific to say the least
by the including american power in the new mandarin spec that recurs seb will
probably of the mass media is apparently the equals cited filming being history
i'd just behind marks letting shakespeare are subtle bh the bible
plato and freud
or the bible's argument upright in his new book sis hope some prospects
alright without first jobs he in the book you talk about american foreign
policy
already started soon with your not a big fan of the idea of american exceptional
ism
so let me start really probably by asking you what do you think of the
major problems with american fork balls
who cripple protrude hope it i'm not a fan of american exhibition was him
that's like saying i'm not i'm fast hanover
the moon named being made of green trees
it doesn't exist
okay
powerful straightened out quick typically
consider themselves to be exceptionally magnificent
and the united states is no exception to that
well
basis for a visit
not very substantial before that
politely
the problems with american foreign policy is our
the rooted in myrtle central nature which we
know that
where we can know about if we want to tell you go back to
say the second world war
back at the point at which the u_s_ became a global power
before that it had been it'd conquered a national territory pretty much
conservative population
comprehensive mexico
expanded into the uh...
e a statute
pretty much taken control over the western hemisphere
unstable ish data
you know invaded the philippines killed a couple hundred thousand people but
the real global power after that time was britain them others
unit which was not
global po
i became a soldier in the book of world war
and uh... planners matt
carefully related planned perfectly public
how they would run the post war world
uh...
tho the
basic idea was that there should be what they call the grandparents
which would be completely under u_s_ control
and within which u_s_ would not be tolerated
uh... any expression of sovereignty
that interfered with u_s_'s global designs
one of the that would be no competitor permitted of course to the u_s_ untuk
area was a pretty expensive had included
the western hemisphere
used asia
huh
that the former british empire which the u_s_ would take over that includes
crucially
the uh... middle eastern energy reserves
with
which are at the main ones of the world and doom
planners pointed out that uh...
if we control middle east or we can control the world
uh... will and then of course it included much of your asia as possible
at least it to serve
commercial and industrial centre western europe
well that was a little too grand area
and within that granbury of the u_s_ would uh...
with it would be dominate sandoval limit any exercise of sovereignty
well of course uh...
talked to a large extent poetry was implemented in the following years of
course
it was just too ambitious in order
with a bit of power rerouted v'll
of their rubles
uh...
uh... that was decolonization which uh...
that weekend uh... karti other industrial powers reconstitute the
results of the war
by the night before and i think you have on the elmo
over the world was basically try poor economically
postpaid u_s_-based north america
mostly german based europe and uh... at that time japan based asia it workable
major economic powers
anderson spent its pregnant it even more
whenever a little bit financial policy remains
and uh... that's why we have maybe eight hundred military bases around the world
nobody else does
why we have
spend that much on the military is uh... for the rest of the world combined
an art technologically far more advanced with
maintained destruction on the uh...
planning to be able to go beyond anything anyone strength
and uh... why we've spectrometric dollars invading two countries in the
middle
middle east uh... central asia bookstore occupying them
and on and on those are very serious problems
notarized silt
let's try to figure out or you can you tell us why you think we do these things
are of course in we get that this idea that is for freedom and democracy
uh... but what is the real goal is a power is it money
and who's making the decisions and why
when the position did too
the decisions in the nineteen forties which i discussed were made in the
government and the other point deal
planning circles related to the government and the implementation
proposes is a mistake specter
but remember that the state director is a very closest lean linked
to concentrated private capital
to the corporate sector
the industry in recent years financial and others
military notes or energy corporations
more closely link mechanisms
and that's essentially where the plan is carried out
and it's not very surprising the plan is carried out on their interests
on that is the way it is always been
so you guys data adams is meant for women
he talked about england
he pointed out correctly that
one of the architect of policy
are the people who basically on the country's and his day emergence
manufacturers
and they may probably to ensure that their own interests are
very well served with the motor home
agree that any effect on others including the people of england um...
perch we quoted
and that's one of my simple truism
hold her power systems generally
than it is not a great surprise but uh... we're like other power systems
without obsessing on tells his latest book is uh...
of course hopes and aspects spoke first jobs he's so the cigarette is an example
direct
that wraxall old
was hussein sixteen from our invasion of iraq and is it as simple as saying hey a
defense contractor will make money albert will make money and hence we are
going to iraq because of that now there are other forces every one of those
words mirrors solid reasons for invading iraq
the records of the second-largest oil reserves in the world
is right at the heart
of the uh... what middle east region which is the main energy uh... reserve
of the world
stubble shayna
client regime and they had a major military base in iraq and getting
preferential access to its resources would be a
of great credit to the people who are they
erin counterparts merchants manufacturers
uh... energy corporations
it industrial corporations banks and so on they didn't achieve it
it erector sanitary case was it was defeated
u_s_ goals were defeated in iraq
very important fact
of at the beginning of course are all sorts of pretexts
you know we're going to uh... with their weapons tied up with all cried a you
know weapons of mass destruction when that collapsed uh... there was a new
prefix were bringing democracy
and in fact the u_s_ fought democracy every step of the way
they tried to prevent elections when couldn't random but uh...
tried to manipulate clement kept going right through through the end of the
very end
labor nineteen by two thousand eight
when it was pretty clear that the u_s_ is not going to change its goals
the administration the bush administration
started talking barney frankly about what they work
so november twelfth
two thousand seven january two thousand eight there were
uh... strong
significant declarations by the administration and which date
said they discussed what the dot com must be
they would have been talking about a special forces agreement what it must
include
at that time they were demand
you know what it must include
is uh...
uit
u_s_ right to use
military bases in iraq
at indefinitely as a basis for a combat another operations and privileged access
to u_s_
to iraqi energy resources
for u_s_ corporations
and that that's going to said very explicitly that they're going desperate
well they didn't get either of those
the united it has not been able to uh...
but uh... suppress iraqi nationalism
now the u_s_ to kill a number of insurgents that wasn't a big problem
but they couldn't deal with his amassed popular non-violent resistance
and he was at the back
downward
step-by-step maturity
you know the books on direct buddy none of the leading
groceries analysts people like uh...
that jonathan steele
ava gardner potential times other cities have titles like defeat
u_s_ was defeated
so but it's clear what the war and so far and they were sensible answers
illicit sounds like a week if user is solent future look at it in terms of
that that companies are about when you look and but that was a realization i
made for far too late i'd never could understand why we one of the oil when we
don't get the loyal and of course
governor bride american people and it wouldn't let my kids in the nineteen
fifties
of the u_s_ was a major
the produce your exporter
benefit
but nevertheless it is the u_s_ was dedicated eisenhower administration
was dedicated to controlling the middle east
the middle east oral before the reasons i mentioned
planners recognized
that if we control middle east or we can control the world
carrier and on this picket
you can control what other people do
whether we use it or not
protect the eisenhower administration
in order to uh...
for the benefit of texas oil producers
insisted on exhausting our domestic reserves
using up welfare domestic reserves went and uh...
instead of purchasing much cheaper um... middle east luteal
well researched
those were short term calculations profit
but in general perry apart is not made for the benefit of the population
rarely
limited may not just eight or anywhere else
so what we're looking afghanistan uh... we have president obama designing women
of course extend our stay there anymore
alim how do you think that decision gets made i mean he is a president while
actually making the decision or does he think he's main decision but the
institutions a foursome in a certain direction
to walk us through that if you can and how does that relate to to what we've
been discussing here because that innocent
uh... does not have a lot of oil that they have pipelines but they don't have
one
reputed mandated because surgery
and we go back to what bush invaded but when i bought a man
lab
and he uh...
people was going on and get a better position to know what to do about it
well you know that there there are various however literature on that for
example bob woodward recent book goes
into detail about what he was told by insiders about the position
maybe that's just not worth looking at but
they'll but we hope that we don't have internal documents that we have to
speculate
my arms inspector vacation
is that obama and his advisors are making a political decision
they understand that uh... they know that the wars unpopular
a majority of the population by now thinks we shouldn't either
but they also know
that if they get out of afghanistan without something that they can call a
victory
they'll be
slaughtered by the right wing propaganda system
and how to spec their cut trying to find a way to do
hang on
long enough
so they couldn't have a situation which maybe they can tell is a victory in them
partially withdraw
that lamar subsample trying the same thing in iraq
i would like for us in old town city as latest book is called some prospects
prescott who deserve any bright spots in american foreign policy
for a while
it's settled
non-infringement technical recruiter completing their harm poetry which word
long-term benefit the people
a mistake pick the marshall plan
personally i i was in favor of it at the time but without illusions
the marshall plan was a good plan aimed at
extent help europe recover
but its major goal
working for the benefit of u_s_ corporate power
now that was barely concealed
when i remember the situation that
the via motivate us to the industrial world have mostly been destroyed by the
second world war
though the u_s_ which already was the richest country in the world
almost quadrupled industrial production
we literally had half the wealth of the world
at the end of the second world war
the u_s_ manufacturers
had an enormous surplus
uh... and they needed a market
well where's the market on a body
only in the other industrial societies
so they had a real test taken using taxpayer funding to help the other
industrial societies reconstruct
and that you know i a market for u_s_ industry
but also an area for expansion
at that somehow multinational corporations really got to start it
and you know this is not particularly my idea you can read it in the reagan said
commerce department said the same thing that's correct
the recovery of the business press which understood perfectly well
but preparing to do but we shouldn't have any illusions
bite but is not the best we can all four enlightened self-interest where yes our
corporations make money but
it also does help to rebuild
parts of significant parts of europe and anisha and grabs that's not such a bad
thing that's actually a very good
uh... dot
i dot unemployment it
uh... i don't think it's the best we can hoping for
i don't think the best we can go pick or from state of the soviet union
was that it uh...
would subsidize at the countries of eastern europe
uh... to the extent that they were actually richard the misery of union
and it's
better that they did it in the day
traded on the way we treat their colonies
well but i don't think that is the most we could open door and i didn't but i
don't praise of the work
okay uh... bad use
they get a broad question but you think that our system is so cabinet has been
all along
that we don't really have a punctual democracy
we had a ripple
and the marketing and the yes or no affair applauded
it isn't even a more or less a fare it has many dimensions
or in some respects the united states is very free
will go for example or
takes a freedom of speech
that is protected
more in the united states has been any other country in ohio
and that's very good friend perhaps of
achievement not in the bill of rights incidentally
isn't a treatment that was gain mostly in the nineteen sixties
that's when the great supreme court cases worker
reached in the under the
impact of the civil rights movement and so on
but there are now freedom speeches
very much uh...
uh... hella carly protected
much more so than them
other countries and a lot of so that's good
on the other hand
we just be barely have a political problem
nine fifty years ago dallas pointed out that the u_s_ president
especially one political party in the business party
with two factions called republicans and democrats
and they consistently hope all of it is a bit
are in the interest of their business constituency and
novel sometimes off
some help to the population sometimes not
you can see it all the time
olympic update president obama
he was a little
the core of responding
there was a financial institutions
by now they are the most important part of the
the largest part of the economy will contribute much to the economy birthday
heaven nor much weight they're probably in forty percent of corporate profits
well
very questionable what they contribute to the economy that annie with a very
powerful
and uh... that was the corresponding
and in the tradition of u_s_ politics which has been quite will study
well-documented
and that tradition at
typically the case with the
concentration of funding
everywhere all the time of the politics
funders expect to be paid off
blue it comes as no great surprise but uh...
the greatest beneficiaries of local obama's policies
where the very financial institutions who take the economy
and you can see the right away
one of the people we picked as his economic advisers there were not
you know nobel laureates who had to
at where had that
condemned the politic led to the crisis uh...
did or not people like
artistic littler paul krugman and others
he picked the people who created the crisis
one of the rudiments
robert rubin there
puzzle supervisor alarm plumbers who was famous for having us
undermined
regulation of derivatives one of the main causes of the crisis
book and great parents
stock exchange yahoo answer
and they created two
anonymous bailout of financial institutions are in
something was obviously needed me
financial institutions had destroyed the economy so something had to be done
buttons right doubtful it had to be done in a way that uh...
enriches us those from created a crisis makes a more powerful than ever
that's what you'd expect from the way of politics works
now d
i think that's a conscious decision but while all races you know what i think
the guys who destroyed economy anyway because i got paid by these guys if it's
not a conscious decision
how does that decision come about
uh...
if you go back to the public bureau in the soviet union
and you ask what the people were thinking
that we have a good idea what they were thinking because we there have been
internal documents released
they were thinking that there
saving democracy from the assault of the fascists led by the united states uh...
they're gonna bring the gill
well from benefits to people up
you reject anita fascists
we have a ton of documents that are kept
cocker country
one of the document of japanese fascists are just
overflowing with
lovingkindness
when they when they were carrying out huge massacres in china
they were bringing an earthly paradise to china
and protecting the people from the bandits were trying to undermine it and
so on and so forth
it's very hard you go oh automatically you look at you find self serving
ideologies created
sos obama brainwashed by the system
i'd don't know anything about obama it
dust
escape psychiatrist ms family
after offering a matters
and i don't care what uh... you know immigration have actually fought
i care what he did
by itself and then finally six if we can handle a broad questions solutions
were in this mess and that they go overseas complete uh...
you and i might disagree on something but we agree on that
all of our politicians are bought its machine it's a system in the rick's
pointed out when we hear
uh... how do we fix it
if we can
what we can handle genentech if you look over american history there
then waves of progress and then regression
so the current situation for example
somewhat similar to the nineteen twenties
nineteen twenty three inequality which is colossal
and about what it was in the nineteen twenty
uh... there was uh... the labor movement had pretty much been destroyed
independent or third of them
who clearly represents buddy
woodrow wilson's red scare and other devices there were still operations in
the nineteen twenties about a utopia of the masters the end of history
well you know the nineteen thirties radically changed
they were popular movement to stay here
democratize the country they created
very significant uh... the government was compelled to create uh...
significant welfare measures are
social security uh... labor rights uh...
that's on which
greatly improve the country and they were perfect
but there were significant improvement
effect the regulation of financial institutions
was so good
that there weren't any financial crises
until the began to dismantle per million seventies and eighties
don't you take a look at the nineteen sixties here popular movement and them
also to lead to a significant democratization of the country
puff
protection freedom of speech which i mentioned uh...
was a a country on a waiver for the civil rights another popular movement
women's rights very significant factor
right of ethnic minorities and of these created a more free unjust society
i can happen again it'll happen by itself
sites where
dedication effort
what can happen so how did they do abandon what can we lauren format so we
can do it now
pics secret most of our how old you are but i went fruit you know
applicable to humblest wrote mid-thirties it was
very active in the sixties there's no big secret
pitch cation organs organization
dedication and commitment ca
picking actions appropriate to situations with
over that works you can look through the details but we can't not a sit-down
strikes in the nineteen thirties uh...
organization of uh... at women's consciousness-raising groups in the
sixties and seventies soon
any war activism movement or all of the things work
after they've gone of course is that most of the cells
are discussing on south seas latest book is called some prospects
or thanks so much for joining celia person with a way to do it again
okay good okay