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...thing in time.
At the wrong moment. Yes.
Exaclty. At the good moment for us but at the wrong moment for some other interests.
Exactly. For this establishment which prevents science from acting scientifically.
For maybe military reasons. We don't know why.
We don't know. But we would like to know. And we think that science
ought to be good for human beings.
Yes. Human beings should be good for human beings.
It is so great to have this discussion with you, I have to say.
It has been reported that Doctor Ellis from CERN said on the topic LSAG
- the LHC security report done nearly 2 years ago:
'There is no scientific motivation for these reviews. They are a forgone conclusion'.
How come somebody like Doctor Ellis would say such a thing?
I have a very good impression of Doctor Ellis.
I never meet him but he publicly accused me in a talk and he presented my paper,
the first page, and told the audience that this is absolute nonsense.
I was not happy. But at least this was a fair statement.
And now the same person apparently has second thoughts.
And so I have a second reason to admire him.
If we look at this judge Hans-Jürgen Papier und John Ellis - we got 2 people,
2 human beings and 2 professionals that don't accept to say
'Yes, there is a danger - we have to do this safety conference -
but they do something, there seems to be some message here.
They act fairly. It's a fair statement if a court says that no one
on the planet wants to know. You see. That's wonderful.
That is interesting. I think there is really this issue of timing.
Because if the CERN would not hurry, if it would take enough time
- there would be this judge, I think, one day that would actually take the case -
as Mr. Johnson, the legal professor in the US said.
And the other side is of course maybe CERN knows that too
and tries to do it as fast as possible.
Making it more dangerous because they can't really see what happens.
They have to really turn the machine up quickly. This is a bit a difficult situation.
It's almost tragic. It's almost a comedy. It's a piece of...
... a tragic comedy.
Some authors - I know this is a little bit a special question,
and especially for a scientist - but some authors write about a CERN LHC conspiracy.
A hidden agenda. There have been talks about secret services being at the CERN and
I don't know what. We even read a report about an apparent
secret service infiltration. How much credibility do these reports have?
They say earthquakes could be connected... People talk to me on the street saying:
'Have you seen, there have been so many earthquakes, the CERN switched on again'.
What do you think about these theories that
I would say go a bit further down the road.
You see. Scientifically they would not hold water, of course. But the fact
that people's subconscious produces such not completely correct visions
proves that the public is more intelligent than science.
I understand what you mean. They can't really say: 'Yes, this earthquake is CERN'.
But they feel that the CERN is able to do something which is dangerous.
SO basically they are starting to see symbolism here and there and go...
One has to understand the language. The latter means something a little bit
different than what is says. And then it is correct.
Another theory that was a topic 2 months or so ago or three - they are even 2
actually quite well known scientists I think - another theory assumes that the LHC
will never work because some force from the future will not let us destroy the World.
I personally prefer to take care of safety regardless of some future force
coming to protect us in the past. And you?
I would say the same thing. This is again pseudo scientific statements
which carry a deeper truth. There is this Swiss psychoanalyst C.G. Jung,
who claimed that there is something like a public sensitivity which goes
deeper than the surface shows and I would see this also in the same context.
That the public and these scientists try to say something which they are
not quite successful at expressing. And it shows the deep fears of people.
And science should not make children feel fear.
No. This is very personal, but I don't think it's Ok if my daughter comes home
and just says: 'Oh my god, they talk about the CERN'. If we want to bring
science forward - and I think the best way for scientists, and I think
for the profession of these scientists especially at the CERN -
and for it to have a future and to be well regarding citizens is to take care
also of these fears.
In a single word: Honesty. Openness. Why not say here is the evidence
against this and this is the evidence for it and everyone can see
and everything is one the table. Why keep it under the rug.
Exactly. If we could do this safety conference, which Professor Roessler asks
for since 23 months, and I keep asking and many others ask for. If we could this,
and as you mentioned, it does not have to take years...
It might take no more than a week actually to be sure that it is not dangerous.
We can't guarantee it's done in 5 days.
But presumably the first weaknesses we show very early on.
And I asked Prince Charles to chair it actually. And we could
mention that. It is on this public...