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joining us now from brave new films of robert greenwald and
baby films has
worked to makes these
videos about rethink afghanistan the idea call rethink afghanistan the idea
the everything you'd u
about the war in afghanistan
is fairly falls and they made some very powerful video
bela belonged youtube and facebook as well robert i welcome back to the show
thank you good to be with me
before we even get into this story because because i think people should
see as many
these possible they have literally made
e rethink afghanistan as i was a little late to the what the hell are we doing
party um was the best place but to see these videos and i will talk about the
note
well yet you cannot do it is said he'd look gay people can join the stairway
barrow
you know a lot of these small shorter individual pieces if you go to the
website we think it can extend their art sections from the film and you can order
the filter full-length film of the air
which uh... proud of the proud of the people of garments agreed to give it to
a library or school or
per people who are as you say i relate to the a realization that this is
vectors run every levels also well the latest
he listed short were to take a look at it and it sort of the way
a of again rethinking are not just afghanistan but the whole idea of being
a conscientious
objective show a let's run that video and then we will talk to robert
i love my country i served my country i served my country as a marine who served
my country but this warm has been going on for ten years
and there's no end in sight how many more people have to die for when it
doesn't even need to criteria for just what lesley that's the case with the
content and what happens at al-qaeda isn't in afghanistan anymore were
fighting people didn't attack us on eleven reminiscent people troops are
suffering more entries fighting an unjust four when we have received
another human being
that's something that we have to look for other the american people should
have
with those lifelong nightmares that our troops have word absolute last resort
inquisitive calls that's retransmit just war doctrine
were seen as a last resort for instance interests and we've got about half the
consciences of those but the current stand up and say cat fight this war kids
like this for my kid by just four
my conscience no
wire adverts so well what is the idea
in crushed here at case folks this took place
look at specific idea is reggie previously been notion of conscientious
objectors menchu rices
you were opposed to what you were
he couldn't be with you can't religion dot you moral beliefs to fight and he
was at all wars
the notion today that our park groups are talking about
include people should have a right specifically to say i m
morally opposed to the war in afghanistan and i'd will not add to that
water fight tap or
protest the recent past
we've been talking about and others have been talking about this last year xx
meyer
father that my exposure to a conscientious objector status my my
father served in the
year six tonight
infantry in world war two and
fossston in france and some in in italy
probably now says he didn't fight in italy after telling me that
is in dire life but nonetheless he wasn't
use in france and germany and
uh... he talked about being conscientious objector and it was a
little bit he wasn't but he yet he knew a couple of course it was a thing that
the people talked about aunt but everybody there was it was drafted or
enlisted knowing they were really get drafted
here
and almost racially that is a fair argument to say that conscientious
objector status can't really apply it
as easily certainly
in a volunteer
yes corrected etc represented by the way and i think it's a fair argument but
they are all
you know people in the army for example who would listed or or in the national
guard and were
willing to serve and iraq co one for example off org had other
believed in the u_s_ government and the u_s_ military
which did not include invading and occupying afghanistan
for those people had been caught intellect but as well as
the notion that people think setback numerous times complete reading about
him so you might have been
in other areas or stationed overseas and dear transportation forced to go into
afghanistan
uh... mikasa
in that when you choose to be in the military
it doesn't seem to be a legitimate argument afterwards with you say well i
a m almost like a lot of no we're going to go to war or i know we're going to go
to this war
you simply being
golden to the orders of your commander in chief once you sign up
well that that again has been the traditional argument and the gentleman
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see in the video and others
art saying and a hard going very eloquently they believe in our country
they believe in the military
they believe in supporting it but they do not believe that this more which is
an illegal war from certain perspectives and that's what the white but they are
asking for
warwick not acquired mcclatchy traditional declaration we were not
debated the whole series of argument
that you can make and i think actually i think the important point is a different
type of an of of the iceberg if you will because what we're hearing over and over
again
on the face book page on our website from people who are in the military
families of those are in the military
just a horrific holed up it's worth picking on them
the co-author of conflict if they fit over target you don't know who does this
guys you don't know who the bad guys
you shooting at people you don't know who they are you're constantly being
threatened
is virtually no support drugs are rampant
reflect my own experience not in the military but when i was visiting at
captain for a short period of time
his people questioned poverty
people desperate for food in charge of housing am use
you know billions of dollars being spent to invade and occupy
well obviously we could spend the money better minds here
is that your
you mentioned to the iceberg soul mother the other way with liver so bob that
when you give
the soldiers and marines
airmen
the the right to pick and choose what where they're going to fight in that you
better did that
interest there
yet
but menu could if you could also argue that people should not be forced to
fight in a war that has not been declared a war where there's not busy
or a declaration of war there has not been a vote in the traditional and that
it's not been renewed or reviewed by the other branches of government that the
you know precedent decided
and that would fit and so i don't think anybody because i think that uh...
that the men in the military
should have unlimited to us
it'll get if you believe in the military is a solution to some of the things
clapping a believer that that some of these men do as as solving some of these
problems
but again i think if you go back to the notion of wire wheel warm with this
country
uh... the country did not attack past
they don't have an awkward that week writing they could not invader there
were some individuals who calling after and wire we invading and occupying and
notarize ng these powerful swell i want to talk about that before we go side so
i think i also l pains me to say this but i think i disagree with you on a
conscientious objector
issue but the bigger issue uh... unquestionably
the wire we their and what do you sense about the success of changing the
conversation a little bit
guest and where i think that most americans
would still say
that's where the attacks came from we gotta finish the job
whatever that means but that's the sense and that's what you do you sense that in
any way that conversation is changing or lease beginning to change
all you have no it's change radically in the year and a half liters working
sister the majority of americans about politics for the current arkansas
once the troops to come all the matchbook
for u_s_ a question of
but again you go back to the street you ask anybody
here's one million dollars now
for this one thing to do what it said one soldier protected for one year
or what else would you like to do with that money
taken soldiers and his father allergic response brilliant column in the times
recently yeah you bring on two hundred forty consultants and you pay for
education for the entire country afghanistan
texas abdic i don't think you would get much disagreement about that you what
they said that's not
that's not what the people in charge are about to be in charge of the anywhere
they were crowded they are our elected officials and why are or not we having
that conversation a why aren't we
putting their plea to the prior white-hot we questioning them about
just going along
as usual why ru by republicans with their own factory analyze resort island
conversation is because
you know it's because i'm not that you are influential but it's guys like you
and it's and it's people like that christoph it's people who are writing
and suggesting this and there's very little of that leadership from
washington and none of that leadership
from the white house or absolutely and you have to get you have at the moment i
needed a br democratic republican coalition around this but it's going to
change
you know the democrats are speaking up louder you will hear it from the
libertarian to hear from some of the people ready folks
and you know this just can't go on and that the bleak it because we can't
afford it and because while more people are getting killed ad we are recruiting
more more
people who hate us because we're bombing and killing them in their relatives
and that hurts
that has long lasting effects of changing people's minds about what the
role of the united states is in the world robert greenwald thanks very much
there
illusory think
guest and a lot of ways to do it but one of the best waistcoat face to face book
page four
rethink afghanistan take a look videos pass along your friends
uh... and uh... change the fellowships