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when was based calamander a forces in the crowning girlhood
it was like no fingers sticking out
and be realized once they could not knock off of your strep throat
we have the upper hand
they started to come in for an resolved all the
well with the probable did not
nudity thousands and grand jury prize at sundance for best documentary
restrict or tells the story of a hundred cities are airborne second platoon
as a stormy here in a quiet all about the deadliest place in all optimistic
how deadly
by the end of two thousand seven when america's attention was largely focused
on a rock nearly seventy percent of all the bombs drop in afghanistan mannequin
around this time
filemaker sebastian younger into having to spend about five months of second
platoon over the course of their deployment to show the world for a
soldier's perspective
the good the bad the scary and the silly without narration political analysis
were outside experts but as a movie about the controversial longest-running
one american history need a political stance
is one implied if it doesn't
was enough for the film makers to act as journalists and let the audience make up
their own mines
in a tough questions so let's try to answer some
if the film has a main character it's probably captain incurring
who's testing finding a way to keep the cornball base from being shot at every
day by insurgents his solution is to take second putting out an overnight
today can build an outpost on a perched overlooking the base right where the
insurgents have been firing from meaning it outpost wrist wrap up after a blood
medic who's killed early in the deployment
that makes hope your struggle boiled magnet a miserable and scary place with
multiple firefights everyday in attacks coming from all directions
but as we see during the film the young then a second to have a complex
relationship with violence
after all it's what these guys signed up for
and the struggle between life and death incomparable adrenaline rush it creates
and intense bonding forged by their willingness to die for each other
creates a kind of connection and camaraderie that simply can't be found
outside a war zone
one soldier claims that he doesn't know how will go back to civilian life after
the rush of war and when the fighting dies down and weeks go by without action
soldiers are left actually wishing to be shot at type something to do and regain
that high
it's during this down time that we see the lighter side of the soldier's life
with a joke wrestle play video games even gifts of each other to pass the
time and create a sense of intimacy
but the realities of war come soon enough as the stores are sometime
patrols were they know in surgeons are watching her every move and have to go
into villages where it's impossible to know who to trust
and when the fighting congress references scary is anything you've seen
in anymore
the worst of it comes during operation karach avalanche which find second
italian pinned down on the open and one of its best soldiers killed
all the films that these are clearly with the soldiers
whichever doesn't shy away from the darker side effects does the flashes of
blood *** and the intractable disconnect this captain connie tries to
explain to voters have a u_s_ will help them or telling them to just get over on
civilians have been killed or arrested under his predecessors command the film
also shows the aftermath of a bombing raid that kills innocent villagers
destroys homes in one's children
but as someone who is against the war everything that's on the film big one
question
why don't you dare
nothing the soldiers did no matter how great and nothing they sacrificed
including their lives
to meet did anything to defend american freedom or prevent a terrorist attack
which is a cause we are two main reasons for being there
we're not building a viable nation will never eliminate the taliban
normie solving the centuries old ethnic and religious conflicts that are sure to
flare into all-out civil war when we leave
even the second putting his goal of stabilizing the quando balance or
working people never happens will pierce triple eventually being abandoned the
cost of fifty american lives
an untold millions in tax payer dollars and more thorough takes pains to avoid
taking a political stance
i worry continues america's unhealthy worship of soldiers
where support the troops no matter what use the become support for the war
personally i'm not sure it's possible to ac nobly for a cause that doesn't noble
but is that those forty
still shows a powerful gripping documentary that deserves to be seen in
talked about but when you talk about what a lot to do with what you bring
with you to the theater
i'm jonathan kim and this is a rethink review
john most important thing for the mobley is
you tell me they wasted all those american lives
and they just give up on that hill
that there was a offer enough
i mean it's and it's obviously not comin wars that he sacrificed tons of lives to
take some hill or some
crestor whatever it is the end of giving up but yes in this case
i think i was in two thousand did there was this year we gave up operation sharp
but fed expected so much better at image
so now that objective was to build a road right
just talking about promises we make and whether they'd get delivered
right so it's been that
in the movie there's a part where captain the encourages sitting down with
the elders he sang wesun if we can stabilize this valley which means that
you have to turn in people who are fighting against us we're going to build
this road and it's going to increase trade nieces like
mimic all you guys rich women like it's going to great we build the sr
and
we end up not building the road in at the end here at the end of movie that
soldiers from second with two nd they go home and they're happy to go home
diac in people they're still there they didn't get their road which
they'd you and i think it since they were asking for her wanting it in that
meeting like i mentioned in the in the video
he's are going to build this route is to be really great anne's they'll say well
we want to talk to you about civilians who are like villagers who were killed
people were killed on their own property in their own houses what about that
that was under the guidance for me
were wiping the slate clean
who of who you know like who decides that you know these are just was like
stomach that that's like
no we're talking talk about that anymore in nyc
that's the thing that always singing something to them and we totally don't
listen
but to be fair were fighting the a_t_f_ gand forces right
yeah it's a trend that's and it seems that the military and zoos innocently
anti-nafta and forces
who are afghan people
you know a lot of people who are from the villages that were supposed to be
defending and vis-a-vis or
trying to through out foreign occupation which is most people would say is a
noble goal through out foreign occupation of your country
but they're caught anti-nafta forces and in the movie and throughout the military
we who don't live in afghanistan of a product and forces people who have been
if there are the a_t_f_ informant
now of course not black and white depends on which side you're on were
with the government forces that are out
but the use of though the languages in some ways amusing and on for days and we
also often pay the anti-nafta forces like the new york times about article or
just last week about uncluttered dart trucking companies to pay essentially
protection money
two warlords and and drug runners and
if we pay this money
the don't attack our tracks
and so we're essential we are paying the anti-nafta forces to support us or to
not attack ads like you know to be fair though that's what worked in iraq
animated debris lian genius betrays his errors
genius idea was hey maybe invite babysitting so it is not the fight me
they'll stop fighting
and that worked
yeah but that's not enough so you can stop them from fighting the shiites
and tells of her so i would echoes through the larger issue so we fight
fight fight fight fight we are really build arose somebody do sometimes we
don't
and in the end
expert
anyway that we live afghanistan
without and obvious modeled draw what were we doing there
apparently just left
didn't deliver to those who are promises and we'll see you guys later
it seems like it because i don't
i mean i i i interviewed murray stuart is this whose average guy who walked
across afghanistan has spent a lot of time there
is as we talk so much about the hook he does not like
what we should what we chase doing what we thought to duties like that all
implies that we can do it
and that's not at all sure it always a bike imagine
he took like the poorest most crime-ridden drug-infested neighborhood
in america
and you said okay
which has run in two years how we can do it with the three big things we got to
do
it would save your crazy you can't do that like you know there's a literacy
problem is the fact that people don't have jobs is that you know all these
other things now like take that take that area
and multiply times two hundred how bad it is
n in a culture that you don't understand with history you don't know anything
about
means that you're still to come in and fix that latest it's ridiculous
literally had to things that analogy because
ut on top of that week let's say you don't want to go fix detroit right
boat if we don't send reconstruction at the pics detroit which is sending both
her
runescape and their main way if they series is shooting fit right so they may
have been struggling right here we go and then they set up camps and that is
staying out of the stillwell rights is detroit it's americans right but imagine
if it was another rush is going to come help us and they had to be over detroit
and await your going to do it is with guns and and and tanks and they kill
some civilians and so carried a bill rose their goal of the structure
and then
could you do in a long-running feud using the pregnology title literacy it
so it's all those things right
you could but it depends or you might be able to but it depends how long a
mistake
and how much money are you must be a i mean you'd figure of talk like that
would take thirty fifty years maybe to really turn around and
there's this business saying i'm not sure that certain and afghan saying or
taliban saying but
saying is that a you in the west you have the watches
but we have the time
lighten the rats are great always we're going to be here likely even viewed like
inimical to the view time differently than we than we do you know
they know that we're not going to stay
and they can just began before the sweetest out or leader slowly
things like that and you know we're talking about with with promises
that something like the taliban basically their prom their promise of
people was we're going to bring security
and law and order
and they did
whereas were like no we did everyone electricity like you to be like america
like you're all going to be interest we give you a centralized government which
you've never had in your country which you print with so much of the country's
rural
even when there was some sort of government
they never saw it except in nyc unless they may have to pay a bribe to some i
mean the more we told us the more i think
this anyone believe it's one of my mirror the rolling stone article mcc
whistling big it was really when a boy this guy's india was winnable the troops
in there was a liberal so now i think that's one of our anesthesiologist
drives me crazy all the time is
what the hell is winning
what's a victory red you know when we declare victory and what is it we build
seven rose instead of eight roads somewhere or a minnesota six runs
but is it what does that really was unlike the deal at all to get rid of the
taliban like saying we're going to rid the taliban in my mind that's like
saying
some another country coming to american sing
when you get rid of the evangelicals
it's like you know it like i don't i'm not even though i'm not a big fan of
theirs but this part of the country where they're really popular in this
people you know in every city you have some relative her some friend who's
evangelical and we'd be like
really you really want like i don't think that's really a good idea that's a
really interesting analogy right
set and then in that they've been algae
the eventual schools it becoming arleigh go the anti american forces
rectify good at it and i believe it word expenses protecting
so it it is so many things wrong here at the
the thinning i know you want out of the soldier warship right reading and
so this movie
this big in a high off of this which is understandable et cetera now blaming
them
of a variety of the heart locker a little bit and having a lot of
comparisons of the herblock right and so
i mean but they're incredibly brilliant
and do you think they're doing it for local recent right sometimes i mean one
thing that that
sebastian younger i heard a minute interview say that like
they don't we talk about the politics that much
which to me is disturbing
because u
you want to know that your out there for the right reasons fighting fit right
cause in
this interview like
when was the last war that we fought where american freedom was at stake
never happen in my lifetime
i mean so it's like so what are we actually doing over there is it a just
cause and can you beat me
behave no believed to be absolutely for cause they may be isn't just there's
maybe stupid like
trying to fix afghanistan in three years or something which is impossible in
as we try to do that we're going to kill a lot of civilians in
is you know like that you're saying like this equivalency of like
but we're going to build a road we may kill some innocent innocent civilians
but you know what you do like we would never accept we would never accept that
like the cops when you know
were to wipe out all gangs in las angeles
but killed
ten innocent civilians
they would be they would be the hot you know
come from the rafters for that
let alone killing hundreds or thousands of civilians in alexandria reread
imagine when i was that so so of course that leads to
of
okay what if we leave and then we'll have a bloody civil war so red is that
we have been dot is that we have been around for a bloody source now but it's
just that that these were not solving the things that are causing the civil
war and all i think a lot of these forces after some of this kind of
waiting to work on
to fight because all those divisions are still there
they're still going to be a power struggle
and
i think that if we leave now the war what happened and then it will end
where's now were drawing out when that's going to happen and
causing fighting in a lot of it and he does like there's there's parts in the
in the movie where you see that like
were attracting fighting we're attracting fighters from other countries
and also fighters from other parts of afghanistan to come in fires there and
were like him
people's villages were dot of course would have got a moment
so we don't have my own over here exactly a good time i was on the bronson
in beijing
sees it as i i think it's like
if we have tried to try to get rid of the mafia in america you don't go bomb
italy
you know you don't bomb sicily to get the mafia in new jersey
and that's basically the argument that we're making here is like well that's
how we have to get them is go over to where the from alright final
misunderstanding to though about how we really things wrong tell me about a cal
oak at historian in the movie where
the spot
these elders come to output wrist rapido
and it first uh... have three options like oh this is at this is a big step
because the elders and what we go to them to talk
but they never come to us to talk
and so belorus come in they say well
akao from our village got caught up in your wire of your outpost
and you guys killed you guys killed the talent took it
so we would like you to give us a four hundred dollars for the cap
we won't do it
we won't give them the forty dollars and trying to bargain saying okay will
figure out how much the cow waded will give you that much in rice and beans and
sugar
and will give that to you but we can actually give you the money
and so like that's one where it's like we keep on saying that we know what's
best for afghans disguising alike we want money for the scalp and we won't
give it to me and when you think about it n in the in the feeder dissection
please for laughs when people kinda laughed at this and the question answer
someone asked about it and and people can a laugh but
what is it how to these people
it's you can breed it you can have more you can have more campus
you can haul stuff with it you can you know you can file your fields it's their
livelihood you can't breed being sick integrity and you can get milk for years
you know like this is a really important thing to the way they live
and we totally brush it off and when you think that we're spending bill
the dollars a week
and when they actually tell us exactly what they want that will help their
lives or at least give them a sense of fairness we don't do it after all that's
john camp so hopelessly naive
a let me ask you is a very simple question
any defense contractor make any money by giving them akka
but if they build the rotor they've built there so they build that do
defense contractors get money for that
but i'm sure that's not the monday
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