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all right now does the review like it's very interesting movie
uh... i got a lot of thoughts on it or you're not surprised by that i think we
have a think opposition afterwards so let's watch review first as we usually
do and i come back talk about
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the drug companies spend over ten thousand dollars per doctor in the
united states to push
their products army thing psychoactive agent can you trust range disrupt
that's why we're against having his drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes
so i we have a restrict punishments for selling illegal drugs children
because we have the sense that there's something
that should be in my lovable after growth and development of the child's
brain
yet we could toxins into their brain british laudner
hoti concentrations
in the name of psychiatric treatment
so that our children's brains literally grow up adapting to a benefit
obsessively
now off and the initial psychiatric drug is the beginning of a lifelong
dependence on psychiatric drugs which i will never pick up for it
if he refused to go where they remember
maybe they're in school starting to feel pretty good but the documentary the war
on kids'll shaking validation taking you inside the letter dysfunction of the
american public school system where fear loathing of cases transformer schools in
the prisons complete with metal detectors in armed security
every student read like a criminal were failure to conform to bring you a drug
induced nevada
forget about her normal activity if you have children the war on kids maybe the
scariest movie see all year
was natural for kids not like school the one he says the kids are currently in
during a level persecution that we've been unimaginable just twenty years ago
a big reason zero tolerance policies towards drugs weapons and violence which
on the surface some a good idea
does the film shows these policies quickly got out of hand with kids be
suspended for bring
nail files are not quite as cool drawing pictures of guns or infamous leave a
little boy who suspended for pointing a chicken finger at a teacher and saying
pal
maybe zero tolerance policy start his anti-drug mission angry even harsher in
the wake of the columbine shooting those that follows
bounces schools a legitimate concern but i think you can say for a few dangerous
ones our school systems tree all kids like potential super predators in his
turn schools in the president's that means constant monitoring by
surveillance cameras armed cops roaming the halls and a prisons tightly
regimented schedule
it also means that minor reasons that used to be handled by the school are now
handled by the police where kidney shoving match can be charged with felony
assault thickening jail time who's in the right to vote and throwing away any
chance of going to college and as the film we should point out the zero
tolerance policies and has a special rates do nothing to improve academic
achievement and actually heard
another one of the film's jones's over medication as a religious leaders in x
person from a test it's the kids who question authority are full of energy to
have restless mines easy into being the most creative intelligent and rewarding
students but instead of giving these kids the extra attention they need to
help them channeled her energy and rebel and constructive ways we are diagnosed
as having a steer some other brain malfunction requiring them to be dragged
into a passive hates which lead to a lifetime of chemical dependency
but when one is for me is the official medical symptoms of the steep this is
the list behaviors that and we teach it's like fidgeting talking back being
unfocused irritation in essence being a regular kit
warranties also reveals that ninety percent of the world's ritalin
prescriptions are filled in the u_s_ which coincidentally is the country were
drug from these make the most money due to our lack of socialized medicine
what's worse many of these psychoactive drugs fail to prevent and sometimes even
cause the behaviors parents fear most evidenced by the fact that so many kids
who commit suicide or involved in school shootings are either on getting off of
or manipulating medications european countries like england to ban the use of
psychotropic drugs on children yet in the u_s_ approximately four million kids
are on ritalin which can be serious long-term damage the young developing
brains and bodies
but the warrantless doesn't just point the finger one or two courts
because in the end of their entire approach to education screwed up
we put this in prisons for thirteen years conjoined or every thought
movement in action even when and if they can use the bathroom
we take away nearly all the rights drugs and humiliate them to lose them with
homework that even if retirement free
we squelch their curiosity creativity originality capacity for free thinking
and then a graduation we secondly entrepreneurs outside the box thinkers
and contributors to a vibrant democracy
was that say about us as a country
immunities of high school kids in the film their painfully aware of how our
police the education system is ruining their lives the first thing if you
didn't sign up already
or as one expert puts it why would he could want to wake up every morning and
go to jail
i'm jonathan camden is everything occurred
all right now jonathan apun real watching that
review of yours i think i agree with a little bit more than i thought initially
i think there are a lot of points of agreement
something's a little bit more skeptical about right solicit let's do both
expelled part of things that you discuss their are
ritalin in over use of drugs azeroth haas policies
security policies of their video cameras that garcetti
cutest kids arrested
but i want to about alternatives and what we do itself so
let's go to a point of agreement
one were weight over drug addicts yes and an interesting point you made in
that review
is
i wonder if it's connected to the guys making money off the drugs that
and they were you evaluate up
it almost obviously it's pitted is apart where at
uh... expert says
in france there are in all of france there are four thousand kids on ritalin
mhm and in america's four million easily hubei fine four thousand kids i mean
probably in the in like
the three schools close to us combined
why is that our wire week wired by the radiation kids in america is not a good
explanation i think just because of the money
so if you don't think that there are is no use for
reply got some parents whereby right
so i'd conceded in extreme cases my problem is intel eva if you think
differently
it's not that it's can't help anybody it's that
it kept possibly be helping four million kids yet is way over prescribe right
yeah i think that one of the martian part time admission for the movies this
guy he reads from the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders
like the official
definition of the symptoms of each team
things like fidgeting squirm zanussi
lean season classroom runs plays or climbs excessively
blurts out answers next careless mistakes in school work
doesn't pay attention or listen
anything they like
these are all problems
that are
that make teachers give them more tension that's what the from any country
as a tiny tiny tiny percentage of people who actually have
but you know uh... a chemical imbalance in their heads will be needed but other
than that it's probably just kids r kids were bored or kids who are
pissed off a dean school or whatever first of all as you read that it
swiss
described me almost thirty right
i mean that canada how took a back then because of the kennedy you know
sometimes a class ticket this what you get bored
and i like classes overall some points right
but its sole discretion but looks like in my life i've seen one guy who i think
it's clearly a t h d right
i think it exists i mean if it's in
you know if it's not him he's got something else or a trek he can sit
still he can't one-fourth of the following other et cetera it's not that
he's done he's a really smart guy very successful guys that are
so i think it is it's pride
but there's no way it's to the degree they want but like you mention the
teachers there using is driven by the teachers in the schools
or is if you're going by the parents will appear on a local was that the drug
companies are convinced the parents and doctors of the kidneys
the obvious answer a combination of those read i mean i think
if the teachers but we had more time to spend with the students
it wouldn't be so bad if they were kids to acted out because then they could
sort of take care of them but what it is a teacher in the in the movie says
i have a hundred kids a day
if i spend five minutes a day with that with each kid they are not enough meets
in the day i can teach anything so now if they think policies will work in the
eyes how to get this kid out here i mean now it's based like that from which he
chairs are almost prescribing it where there's going to the parents like your
kid is acting out too much got to get him on some matters something or they
can come back in class cases man that's crazy in look n it's john it's hard for
me to grasp
how much this is the most recent spy went to school when i went to school
with a high schools that are about twenty years ago
and i didn't see this stuff i saw some of it but very very very little
what if i went back in a minute
public high school and the suburbs i grew up in new jersey
are they going to have security cameras ever are have two kids going to be on
ritalin or
it's just in some cases in some cities et cetera then to observe right at me
and i think that you probably would seem more security in general i think that
that tibet
teachers adding a parent's ask for
but there there's a uh... teacher i mean as a principle in the in the movie uses
like
whenever like a new class comes in
the teachers all trying to keep it that has always ask about security they never
asked about like curriculum
things like value continues it to some degree there's an over hyping of the
danger
of this and like the term super predator that was created for like
he's just been seen kids who just want to kill everybody you know
i'm sure that i mean needed all the millions of kids in america and how many
than actually commit these acts the tiny tiny percentage is that with putting
kids in prison
i have read statistics in the past where school bus is actually gone down
that's considerably since combat
but the reaction to it has gone up
because it's so much in the news whereas like
in the nineteen fifties
they didn't hear about leave something happening colorado they never heard
about it in california or in washington or wherever it right
and so
but at the same time ivc
the reason behind the depend only or worry concern is that
i mean you can't have the kids bring guns to school sometimes they do so how
do you balance that yeah i mean i i think that in
in terms of
the violence going down its prolly because after columbine
more people were where to look for warning signals you know it or
friends and say hey my friend my friend is acting like this maybe i should dicey
talk to someone about it
so if i'd be dealt with that way
where it is this one this one student says no cameras for the most part
they can stop anything from happening begin that you can look at it afterwards
he would happen but i won't actually stopping
and was it there's a owns burrow in kentucky
where there is a school shooting where the kid was just like waiting outside
like in biking playground waiting for kids to come out
and so i think that there's other ways to do it or that to figure out where the
cameras are where the cameras are pointing to things like that
but but they said that the the schools with the most one
with the most security measures must read the security measures
have the most incidents in terms of
catching adventures of catching people which either means
they're catching more the people or it's not helping at all because of the rates
are still high it's not acting as a term that definitely depends on how you look
at the grocery so they go to again the points of agreement and then come back
to
my concerts so
look security cameras way too much at big brother is watching and we've talked
about this before and they're watching the teachers if she does anything
cheerleaders anything slightly wrong and they're in trouble two kids doing
slightly wrong the intro
man when i was a kid stuff wrong
all on-time returning today had abandoned
maximum penitentiary lockdown makes the unibomber someday
once i took on a lot of people i just went to sleep by dot have a lot of
people in chemistry class in with the same right now they've learned from one
kidsoft ferry hit somebody's attic anjali
that's that's the most part right
so way overreaction on this on the video cameras i hear you on that
and felony assault
for ilk kids pushing each other right unless a literally gone into thirty
seven flights from elementary school the high school
i'd be the biggest criminal on the world that yes it's they regarded as a part
where i mean no occur all
i mean jesse t brought alcohol school angie angie i put some of it in some
sense of so that my passing on some friends
and becker was gonna get having arrive
expelled for like a year and he said if a cop could pick me up with with ***
i would've gotten my gut like a ticket and a fine but deletha harsher at school
yeah i hear you got again though of the so i agree with you on all that stuff
but schools always been present has a john emulate week every nobody because
they want to go then they don't want to go now and bites
ensure you got a lot of the chasm adam raid stuff that they don't you know and
i think is the light
so read is that really that different
it depend on how far you want to take it though because of its like
barbed wire
cops at the school like
and visit is one thousand artists she said
one of the the most common complaints he gets from parents are
app is that the kids are not allowed to go to the bathroom
that they're either punished if they do if they go or they're rewarded if
they're not
and things like that then also i think this with class size is getting bigger
and bigger and now with this
this really charged healing the paranoia that and i'm sure didn't leave this when
we were at school
or before that where people were worried about matt about mass shootings it's
gotten worse and worse and worse and worse and i think that
i would guess that teacher pay hasn't been throwing up a whole lot either is
becoming one of those crappy ran crap your jobs where the people who are
staying either get burned out really clear i used to get burned out
or the people who are a few just don't care they're saying that
most of the discipline cases like and one school district that was still
something like
sixty six percent of the disappointing sales of fifteen cents a student's or
reported by twenty five percent of the teachers bits and pieces were just dicks
if there's going to end this email people like when he was a score you know
there is a teacher who is the jerker directed you didn't like mexicans or
whatever was analogies people are basically getting kind of vindicated
because like they get the system right now the thing is up again
will when i was going to school sometimes it is going to go to the
bathroom
so i'm not that blown away by that
and there's always been teachers of index and they would expect ended a
staff so
i don't think that's altogether different but
but certainly the barbed wire it settlers but don't the so what's the
alternative like
sure no barbed wire
i get it prohibits but what we do differently what has gone wrong and how
we fix it
i would guess that it seems that the
the way they were trying to solve the problem is all through the punishment
where as opposed to like
figuring out from the troubled cadiz if a kid gets in the stuff for gets in the
fight you know you don't
sonum off to jail you haven't talked to a counselor to punish them i mean this
idea that zero tolerance policies have become like
harshest harshest punishment
no matter what
as opposed to instill confidence me
you'll get in trouble somehow
and then will figure it out based on the grade of of what you have what you do
things like
it's a case of a
it was a girl's birthday and she brought a cake
and the mom brought a knife too used to cut the cake and the kids as a teacher
all my mom
gave me this knife fighting about fighting like against our our
policy-making and if you just like you did the right thing
she used the knife to cut the cake and suspended kit calcutta club logo abroad
blah blah blah
okay look here that i mean i i know you think in terms of what would we do let
me just did do one pointer amps on that
as your cars with a million sunroom in birthday
it is by definition stupid
because
you're saying no matter what you did i'm going to be the maximum punishment only
huge believer incentives and disincentives
and if you tell the kids i'm going to go nuclear no matter how small the
infraction is
is actually give them an incentive
to commit large infractions o_j_ let alone
the fact that you're saying if if you have a zero pass policy i will not use
human judgment
i will be
purposefully stupid
and so that i there's no way i'm gonna greeters uric acid dom dom policy it
never works in anyway and it certainly does not work in school
appeared that's an easy one we get the on that you still have some security
issues
and he saw the fact that they got to go to school ray anyway i think that with
our teachers of the guns
i mean i think it totally makes sense that if you bring it with a gun to
school you should get in serious serious probably everyone agrees with that
but also i mean i
i'm not sure how many kids are going to are trying to come into school with like
hiding a bunch of guns and also get them all out and start shooting everyone amin
info my meeting with charging into the school right and you're not you can't if
it's almost impossible stop them from committing a crime if they're not trying
to get away with it
and so i i think that a lot of these l allotted and said i think they're a lot
of these cases i mean like there is a case where i like it had uh... talking
unloaded in that with her uh... toy gun and a backpack it fell out but but i
think that we've
double how doctor frances
it is a tough thing but it's like
are you going to make places into prison into prisons or make kids feel
what i mean this in because your tolerance kids are actually less likely
to report people
visits like their friends are like who i want to do it
say he bought like you're you know he he brought a gun that's unloaded you want
to show it to me because i was really cool
parliament imp pad it slightly destroyed
yeah i would do that you know without thinking about and which i know we had
rats and has been a while but
it's a really interesting topic
i think you know
so much of a station is on the parents if you set the right expectations and
set or your kids and you better
over it and with studies right
and i believe that but the same time win level so there isn't enough money
disorders howell over that
and i'd know why they are howling because it is so much on the parents so
it makes your kids are going to be
with the money of course matters i was really about schools in the nineteen
forties in new york and apparently the public schools in new york work
excellent back that
part of the reason this is really interesting is because of the depression
during the depression they have less kids in the nineteen thirties so in the
nineteen forties the class size was so small
and the teachers at the time won't work paid really well cuz it was a good
government job it was furious table
so yes some of the best interest
look small class size
and the schools wannabe axle so if we had
you know smaller classes
and we paid our teachers better would make a difference
my guess is
obviously echoes of desired job where you paid them like seventy grand the
fact that you could raise a family incentives for college people will be
fighting like crazy for them i mean this was a missing yeah im used his right now
if you'd like to get the the young idea like idealistic kids and they come in
and they want to go to the inner city schools in the disk it destroys you know
they just can't do it anymore and so they'll even the ones to use their the
ones who really don't care but they know that they get their tenure will just be
like a safe job in making this kind of muddle through for the rest of their
lives and
teachers like that but what kind of job draws a person like that and what and
what is the motivation for keeping them it's like well nobody yeah that's that's
not the right way to go and i feel that we spent so much money on education but
i'm not sure we spend in the right places
and so that's that's what i'm really concerned about wilder's atop it ups
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