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RAND PAUL, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
ARE YOU SURPRISED?
>> I WISH I CAN TELL YOU THAT I
WAS SURPRISED.
I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE
ARE GOING TO USE THE DRONES AND
THEN DEVELOP RULES FOR THEM.
THE MOST IMPORTANT RULES FOR THE
USE OF SURVEILLANCE ARE
BASICALLY THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEARCH
WARRANT TO USE A DRONE TO GO
AFTER SOMEONE.
SOME OF THIS IS MURKY BECAUSE WE
HAVE HAD DECISIONS BY THE COURTS
SAYING OPEN SPACES DON'T REQUIRE
A WARRANT.
I DISAGREE WITH THOSE CASES AND
THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT.
PARTICULARLY IF THEY ARE USING
DRONES THEY NEED TO HAVE A
JUDGE'S WARRANT.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICAL AT THE
LEAST, I GUESS.
I THINK YOU AGREE WITH MY
CHARACTERIZATION, OF THE
ADMINISTRATION AND ITS
SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS AND THE
RECENT REVELATIONS ABOUT THE
NSA.
IN 2007 THEN SENATOR OBAMA WAS
VERY LOUD IN HIS CRITICISM OF
PRESIDENT BUSH AND SURVEILLANCE
PROGRAMS SAYING THEY PUT
TOGETHER A FALSE CHOICE WHEN IT
CAME TO LIBERTY VERSUS SECURITY.
TODAY PRESIDENT OBAMA DEFENDED
HIS USE OF SURVEILLANCE
PROGRAMS.
>> I CAME IN WITH A HEALTHY
SKEPTICISM ABOUT HOW OUR VARIOUS
PROGRAMS WERE STRUCTURED BUT
WHAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS
EXAMINE AND SCRUB HOW OUR
INTELLIGENCE SERVICES ARE
OPERATING.
AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT AT THIS
POINT WE HAVE STRUCK THE
APPROPRIATE BALANCE.
>> HE OBVIOUSLY CHANGED HIS
POINT OF VIEW SOMEWHAT WHEN HE
GOT INTO OFFICE.
ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN A TERRORIST
ATTACK HAPPENS IT IS YOUR
RESPONSIBILITY.
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT ***
CHENEY WAS CRITICIZING YOU
SAYING SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS
WOULD HAVE PREVENTED 9/11.
DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD FEEL
DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WERE IN THE
OVAL OFFICE?
>> I THINK THERE IS A SAYING
THAT POWER CORRUPTS.
I THINK WHEN PEOPLE GET ELECTED
TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES THEY THINK MY
PREDECESSOR WAS A BAD PERSON AND
HE NEVER MISUSED THIS.
REALLY IT IS ABOUT THE POWER AND
ISN'T ABOUT THE PERSON.
MADISON SAID IF THE GOVERNMENT
WAS COMPROMISED OF ANGELS WE
WOULDN'T NEED TO LIMIT POWER.
I BELIEVE POWER CORRUPTS THE
BEST OF PEOPLE.