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>>> WELCOME TO AZ ILLUSTRATED. TONIGHT WE TAKE YOU TO THE PAT
TONIGHT WE TAKE YOU TO THE PAT TA GONE YA MOUNTAINS WHERE
TA GONE YA MOUNTAINS WHERE MINING OPERATIONS ARE BEING
MINING OPERATIONS ARE BEING PROPOSED.
PROPOSED. LEARN ABOUT A FORMER UNIVERSITY
LEARN ABOUT A FORMER UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA PROFESSOR, HIS NEW
OF ARIZONA PROFESSOR, HIS NEW BOOK DEALS WITH THE GROWING
BOOK DEALS WITH THE GROWING POPULATION AND IMPACT ON THE
POPULATION AND IMPACT ON THE PLANET.
PLANET. HERE'S A LOOK AT TODAY'S TOP
HERE'S A LOOK AT TODAY'S TOP STORIES.
STORIES. >> HOMELESSNESS IS ON THE
>> HOMELESSNESS IS ON THE DECLINE IN ARIZONA.
DECLINE IN ARIZONA. SEVERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING
SEVERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT REPORTS
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT REPORTS THAT THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS
THAT THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS PEOPLE HAS DROPPED 32% IN THE
PEOPLE HAS DROPPED 32% IN THE STATE AND NEARLY 40% IN PIMA
STATE AND NEARLY 40% IN PIMA COUNTY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
COUNTY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. ARIZONA OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN
ARIZONA OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HOUSE HOMELESS
TRYING TO HOUSE HOMELESS VETERANS.
VETERANS. THE STATE'S SUCCESSES IN
THE STATE'S SUCCESSES IN REDUCING HOMELESSNESS ARE PART
REDUCING HOMELESSNESS ARE PART OF A NATIONAL TREND.
OF A NATIONAL TREND. THE UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL
THE UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL HOLD A FORUM WEDNESDAY.
HOLD A FORUM WEDNESDAY. THE PLAN FOCUSES ON THREE MAGNET
THE PLAN FOCUSES ON THREE MAGNET SCHOOLS, THOSE WITH SPECIAL
SCHOOLS, THOSE WITH SPECIAL THEMED PROGRAMS OR TEACHING
THEMED PROGRAMS OR TEACHING METHODS DESIGNED TO ATTRACT A
METHODS DESIGNED TO ATTRACT A DIVERSITY OF STUDENTS.
DIVERSITY OF STUDENTS. DISTRICT OFFICIALS WANT TO KEEP
DISTRICT OFFICIALS WANT TO KEEP THE PROGRAMS.
THE PROGRAMS. A FEDERAL OVERSEER WANTS THE
A FEDERAL OVERSEER WANTS THE PROGRAMS SHUT DOWN AT THE
PROGRAMS SHUT DOWN AT THE SCHOOLS SAYING THEY WON'T LEAD
SCHOOLS SAYING THEY WON'T LEAD TO INTEGRATION.
TO INTEGRATION. HD SANCHEZ SAYS THE COMMUNITY
HD SANCHEZ SAYS THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE A SAY.
SHOULD HAVE A SAY. TUESDAY'S FORUM WILL BE AT
TUESDAY'S FORUM WILL BE AT TUCSON HIGH MAGNET SCHOOLS
TUCSON HIGH MAGNET SCHOOLS STARTING AT 5:30 P.M.
STARTING AT 5:30 P.M. AND THAT'S A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S
AND THAT'S A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S HEADLINES.
HEADLINES. >>> MINING HAS A LONG TRADITION
>>> MINING HAS A LONG TRADITION IN ARIZONA, AND THE INDUSTRY
IN ARIZONA, AND THE INDUSTRY CONTINUES TO HAVE AN ANNUAL
CONTINUES TO HAVE AN ANNUAL ECONOMIC IMPACT IN OUR STATE
ECONOMIC IMPACT IN OUR STATE THAT IS ESTIMATED IN THE
THAT IS ESTIMATED IN THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. BUT SOME NEW PROPOSED MINES ARE
BUT SOME NEW PROPOSED MINES ARE CAUSING CONCERN FOR MANY
CAUSING CONCERN FOR MANY RESIDENTS.
RESIDENTS. OUR STATE NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE
OUR STATE NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE LONG TERM EFFECT OF THESE
LONG TERM EFFECT OF THESE OPERATIONS.
OPERATIONS. TONIGHT WE VISIT THE PADAGONIA
TONIGHT WE VISIT THE PADAGONIA MOUNTAINS.
MOUNTAINS. TONY PANTIAGUA HAS THE STORY.
TONY PANTIAGUA HAS THE STORY. >> THE HISTORIC TOWN OF
>> THE HISTORIC TOWN OF PADAGON
PADAGON PADAGONIA, THE COMMUNITY IS
PADAGONIA, THE COMMUNITY IS COMPROMISED OF FEWER THAN 1,000
COMPROMISED OF FEWER THAN 1,000 FULL TIME RESIDENTS, THEY SPEAK
FULL TIME RESIDENTS, THEY SPEAK ABOUT THE WIDE OPEN SPACES AND
ABOUT THE WIDE OPEN SPACES AND PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT, SO SOME
PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT, SO SOME ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PROPOSED
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS HERE.
DEVELOPMENTS HERE. MINING INTERESTS ARE SCOPING OUT
MINING INTERESTS ARE SCOPING OUT THE AREA.
THE AREA. >> WE'RE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN
>> WE'RE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR MINING CLAIM
THE MIDDLE OF OUR MINING CLAIM RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. WHERE WE'RE AT IS WEATHER
WHERE WE'RE AT IS WEATHER STATION, IT GIVES YOU A GOOD
STATION, IT GIVES YOU A GOOD VANTAGE POINT OF EVERYTHING
VANTAGE POINT OF EVERYTHING AROUND US.
AROUND US. JUST TO THE NORTH OF US IS RED
JUST TO THE NORTH OF US IS RED MOUNTAIN.
MOUNTAIN. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RED
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RED MOUNTAIN IS KIND OF PADAGONIA
MOUNTAIN IS KIND OF PADAGONIA AND OFF INTO THE FAR DISTANCE
AND OFF INTO THE FAR DISTANCE CAN YOU SEE THE SANTARITA'S, OF
CAN YOU SEE THE SANTARITA'S, OF COURSE, JUST BEYOND THAT IS THE
COURSE, JUST BEYOND THAT IS THE CITY OF TUCSON.
CITY OF TUCSON. >> GREG IS THE VICE PRESIDENT
>> GREG IS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT FOR
FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT FOR WILDCAT SILVER.
WILDCAT SILVER. PART OF A CANADIAN EXPLORATION
PART OF A CANADIAN EXPLORATION COMPANY THAT MAY HAVE STRUCK
COMPANY THAT MAY HAVE STRUCK GOLD IN THESE HILLS.
GOLD IN THESE HILLS. >> THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME AMOUNT
>> THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME AMOUNT OF SILVER IN THERE, AND -- BUT A
OF SILVER IN THERE, AND -- BUT A LOT OF MANGANESE.
LOT OF MANGANESE. THERE'S BEEN A RICH HISTORY OF
THERE'S BEEN A RICH HISTORY OF SILVER MINING IN THIS AREA, WE
SILVER MINING IN THIS AREA, WE ARE HOPING TO CONTINUE AND
ARE HOPING TO CONTINUE AND DEVELOP THE SILVER MINING IN
DEVELOP THE SILVER MINING IN THIS AREA.
THIS AREA. WITH OUR PRELIMINARY ECONOMIC
WITH OUR PRELIMINARY ECONOMIC ANALYSIS.
ANALYSIS. WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY ABOUT 330
WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY ABOUT 330 MILLION OUNCES OF SILVER ON OUR
MILLION OUNCES OF SILVER ON OUR SITE.
SITE. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS
WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS SILVER ZONE EXTENDS OUT INTO THE
SILVER ZONE EXTENDS OUT INTO THE FOREST SERVICE.
FOREST SERVICE. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IT
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IT A LITTLE FURTHER.
A LITTLE FURTHER. >> THIS IS A WHOLE THAT WE
>> THIS IS A WHOLE THAT WE DRILLED DURING OUR CAMPAIGN.
DRILLED DURING OUR CAMPAIGN. >> WHERE WE'RE AT IS PRETTY MUCH
>> WHERE WE'RE AT IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR MINING
IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR MINING CLAIMS WHICH ENCOMPASSES ABOUT
CLAIMS WHICH ENCOMPASSES ABOUT 154 ACRES, BEYOND THAT WE'VE GOT
154 ACRES, BEYOND THAT WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY 7,000 ACRES OF
ROUGHLY 7,000 ACRES OF UNPATENTED MINING CLAIMS ON THE
UNPATENTED MINING CLAIMS ON THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE.
U.S. FOREST SERVICE. >> IF THE IDEAS MOVE FORWARD AS
>> IF THE IDEAS MOVE FORWARD AS PLANNED.
PLANNED. THE OPERATION COULD BRING A
THE OPERATION COULD BRING A VITAL ECONOMIC BOOST TO THIS
VITAL ECONOMIC BOOST TO THIS REGION.
REGION. >> WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING
>> WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF 250,
SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF 250, 300 JOBS, PROBABLY LOOKING AT AN
300 JOBS, PROBABLY LOOKING AT AN AVERAGE SALARY OF 70,000.
AVERAGE SALARY OF 70,000. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY HERE
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY HERE AND BE A PRODUCTIVE CONTRIBUTOR
AND BE A PRODUCTIVE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE REGION.
TO THE REGION. SANTA CRUZ COUNTY RANKS AMONGST
SANTA CRUZ COUNTY RANKS AMONGST THE POOREST OF THE POOR COUNTIES
THE POOREST OF THE POOR COUNTIES IN ARIZONA.
IN ARIZONA. >> MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AND
>> MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AND OTHER PROPONENTS ARE SKEPTICAL
OTHER PROPONENTS ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE PROPOSALS.
ABOUT THE PROPOSALS. >> THE JOBS CLAIM IS AN
>> THE JOBS CLAIM IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
INTERESTING ONE. >> I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO KEEP
>> I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS HOW MANY JOBS ARE
IN MIND IS HOW MANY JOBS ARE GOING TO LEAVE THIS AREA IF
GOING TO LEAVE THIS AREA IF THESE MINES COME IN.
THESE MINES COME IN. RIGHT NOW, PADAGONIA IS WELL
RIGHT NOW, PADAGONIA IS WELL RENOWNED FOR THEIR HUMMINGBIRDS
RENOWNED FOR THEIR HUMMINGBIRDS AND BUTTERFLIES.
AND BUTTERFLIES. THEY COME FROM ALL OVER TO CAMP
THEY COME FROM ALL OVER TO CAMP HERE.
HERE. BRINGING IN JOBS DOESN'T HAPPEN
BRINGING IN JOBS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A VACUUM, THE OPPORTUNITY
IN A VACUUM, THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN
COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN ARE PROBABLY GOING TO FAR EXCEED
ARE PROBABLY GOING TO FAR EXCEED THE KIND OF JOBS THEY'RE GOING
THE KIND OF JOBS THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN.
TO BRING IN. >> IN AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING
>> IN AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING ORGANIZED BY THE U.S. FOREST
ORGANIZED BY THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE, DOZENS OF RESIDENTS AND
SERVICE, DOZENS OF RESIDENTS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TURNED OUT,
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TURNED OUT, INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVES FROM
INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SKY ISLAND ALLIANCE.
THE SKY ISLAND ALLIANCE. THE SKY ISLAND ALLIANCE IS AN
THE SKY ISLAND ALLIANCE IS AN OPTION WORKING TO PROTECT OUR
OPTION WORKING TO PROTECT OUR DESERTS HABITATS, KNOWN AS SKY
DESERTS HABITATS, KNOWN AS SKY ISLAND.
ISLAND. JENNY IS THE CONSERVATION POLICY
JENNY IS THE CONSERVATION POLICY DIRECTOR AND LEGAL COUNCIL FOR
DIRECTOR AND LEGAL COUNCIL FOR THE GROUP.
THE GROUP. >> THE MOUNTAINS ARE AN
>> THE MOUNTAINS ARE AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT SKY ISLAND
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT SKY ISLAND HERE IN OUR REGION AND THEY ARE
HERE IN OUR REGION AND THEY ARE INCREDIBLY BIODIVERSE.
INCREDIBLY BIODIVERSE. WE HAVE BEEN RECENTLY OUT HERE
WE HAVE BEEN RECENTLY OUT HERE TO DO SOME STUDIES, AS YOU KNOW
TO DO SOME STUDIES, AS YOU KNOW ON THAT BIODIVERSITY, WE HAVE
ON THAT BIODIVERSITY, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY ASTONISHING RESULTS
SOME PRETTY ASTONISHING RESULTS COMING BACK FROM THAT.
COMING BACK FROM THAT. WE KNOW THIS AREA IS AN
WE KNOW THIS AREA IS AN IMPORTANT WILDLIFE CORRIDOR,
IMPORTANT WILDLIFE CORRIDOR, PARTICULARLY FOR ANIMALS
PARTICULARLY FOR ANIMALS CROSSING UP FROM MEXICO INTO
CROSSING UP FROM MEXICO INTO THIS NORTHERN PART OF THEIR
THIS NORTHERN PART OF THEIR RANGE.
RANGE. WE HAVE VERY FEW OPEN WILDLIFE
WE HAVE VERY FEW OPEN WILDLIFE QUARTERS LEFT ON THE BORDER.
QUARTERS LEFT ON THE BORDER. THIS IS A CRITICAL ONE BECAUSE
THIS IS A CRITICAL ONE BECAUSE IT EXTENDS INTO MEXICO.
IT EXTENDS INTO MEXICO. IT IS PART OF THE PROPOSED KRIT
IT IS PART OF THE PROPOSED KRIT SKAL HABITAT.
SKAL HABITAT. >> THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE SAYS
>> THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE SAYS THERE ARE PROJECTS ON THE
THERE ARE PROJECTS ON THE NATIONAL FOREST IN PADIGONIA.
NATIONAL FOREST IN PADIGONIA. THEY ARE CH.
THEY ARE CH. HAVALINA AND SUNNY SIDE.
HAVALINA AND SUNNY SIDE. >> NO LESS THAN FOUR MINING
>> NO LESS THAN FOUR MINING PROPOSALS IN THIS RELATIVELY
PROPOSALS IN THIS RELATIVELY SMALL MOUNTAIN RANGE, THEY'RE
SMALL MOUNTAIN RANGE, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE DRAWING FROM THE
ALL GOING TO BE DRAWING FROM THE SAME AQUIFER.
SAME AQUIFER. THEY'RE GOING TO BE DUMPING
THEY'RE GOING TO BE DUMPING MINING WASTE ON TO THE LANDS
MINING WASTE ON TO THE LANDS THAT ARE GOING TO FEED INTO THAT
THAT ARE GOING TO FEED INTO THAT AQUIFER.
AQUIFER. >> MINING FLOURISHED IN THE
>> MINING FLOURISHED IN THE 1800s.
1800s. IT'S THE MINES OF A FEW DECADES
IT'S THE MINES OF A FEW DECADES AGO, OPENED DIFFERENT FINANCIAL
AGO, OPENED DIFFERENT FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITIES.
OPPORTUNITIES. INCLUDING ART SPACE BUSINESSES
INCLUDING ART SPACE BUSINESSES AND ECOTOURISM.
AND ECOTOURISM. >> GORGEOUS --
>> GORGEOUS -- >> DESPITE THE DIE VERGE END
>> DESPITE THE DIE VERGE END OPINIONS RELATING TO THE
OPINIONS RELATING TO THE OPINIONS OR DRAWBACKS ABOUT
OPINIONS OR DRAWBACKS ABOUT REVIVING THE MINING INDUSTRY IN
REVIVING THE MINING INDUSTRY IN THESE MOUNTAINS, BOTH CAMPS CAN
THESE MOUNTAINS, BOTH CAMPS CAN AGREE ABOUT ONE TOPIC.
AGREE ABOUT ONE TOPIC. WATER AND THE NEED TO STUDY AND
WATER AND THE NEED TO STUDY AND UNDERSTAND ITS AVAILABILITY AND
UNDERSTAND ITS AVAILABILITY AND DEPENDABILITY BEFORE MINING CAN
DEPENDABILITY BEFORE MINING CAN RESUME.
RESUME. >> THE WATER IS A GOOD QUESTION.
>> THE WATER IS A GOOD QUESTION. WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH A MINE
WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH A MINE PLAN YET.
PLAN YET. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A GOOD GUESS
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A GOOD GUESS ON EVERYONE'S PART ON WHAT THE
ON EVERYONE'S PART ON WHAT THE WATER CONSUMPTION REQUIREMENT IS
WATER CONSUMPTION REQUIREMENT IS GOING TO BE AT THIS POINT.
GOING TO BE AT THIS POINT. THIS DRILLING PLAN THAT WE'VE
THIS DRILLING PLAN THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BEFORE THE FOREST SERVICE
GOTTEN BEFORE THE FOREST SERVICE IS GOING TO GIVE US A GOOD IDEA
IS GOING TO GIVE US A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT OUR WATER SITUATION IS
OF WHAT OUR WATER SITUATION IS LIKE.
LIKE. WE'RE GOING TO GET A GOOD HANDLE
WE'RE GOING TO GET A GOOD HANDLE ON THE WATER QUALITY AND
ON THE WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY IN THE REGION.
QUANTITY IN THE REGION. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER
AND MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER COMING OUT OF THIS AUGUST WEER
COMING OUT OF THIS AUGUST WEER IF.
IF. TO REPLENISH THAT AUGUST QUIFER
TO REPLENISH THAT AUGUST QUIFER TAKE YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW FAR
TAKE YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW FAR UNDER GROUND IT IS.
UNDER GROUND IT IS. NOT CONSIDERING THE NEEDS OF THE
NOT CONSIDERING THE NEEDS OF THE MOUNTAINS, THE WILDLIFE, THE
MOUNTAINS, THE WILDLIFE, THE COMMUNITY, I THINK IT'S BOLD.
COMMUNITY, I THINK IT'S BOLD. THINGS ARE CHANGING VERY FAST
THINGS ARE CHANGING VERY FAST RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. EVERYTHING IS VERY UNCERTAIN,
EVERYTHING IS VERY UNCERTAIN, THE PATTERNS THAT WE USED TO
THE PATTERNS THAT WE USED TO RELY ON, WE CAN'T RELY ON THOSE
RELY ON, WE CAN'T RELY ON THOSE ANY MORE.
ANY MORE. WE'RE IN A SITUATION NOW WHERE
WE'RE IN A SITUATION NOW WHERE ALL BETS ARE OFF IN TERMS OF THE
ALL BETS ARE OFF IN TERMS OF THE WATER SUPPLY AND WHAT'S GOING TO
WATER SUPPLY AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DOWN HERE.
HAPPEN DOWN HERE. >> STILL, WILDCAT SILVER IS
>> STILL, WILDCAT SILVER IS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT ITS LONG TERM
OPTIMISTIC ABOUT ITS LONG TERM PLANS, THERE MAY BE SOME BUMPS
PLANS, THERE MAY BE SOME BUMPS ALONG THE WAY.
ALONG THE WAY. >> THE LAW IS ON OUR SIDE.
>> THE LAW IS ON OUR SIDE. THIS IS OUR PROPERTY, WE HAVE
THIS IS OUR PROPERTY, WE HAVE THE RIGHTS TO THE MINERALS UNDER
THE RIGHTS TO THE MINERALS UNDER THE FEDERAL LAND.
THE FEDERAL LAND. THE FEDERAL LAW ACTUALLY
THE FEDERAL LAW ACTUALLY PROMOTES THE DEVELOPMENT OF
PROMOTES THE DEVELOPMENT OF RESOURCES UNDER PUBLIC LANDS.
RESOURCES UNDER PUBLIC LANDS. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING IMPROPER OR ILLEGAL.
IMPROPER OR ILLEGAL. WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE
WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE RIGHTS WE HAVE, AND MINING IS
RIGHTS WE HAVE, AND MINING IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS A
ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS A NECESSITY FOR MODERN LIFE.
NECESSITY FOR MODERN LIFE. >> IF THE PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD,
>> IF THE PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD, PADAGONIA WILL BEGIN A RICH
PADAGONIA WILL BEGIN A RICH CHAPTER AND HISTORY.
CHAPTER AND HISTORY. A CHAPTER THAT SOME FIND
A CHAPTER THAT SOME FIND EXCITING AND ENTICING, BUT
EXCITING AND ENTICING, BUT OTHERS WOULD PREFER TO AVOID.
OTHERS WOULD PREFER TO AVOID. >> MANY RESIDENTS IN ARID
>> MANY RESIDENTS IN ARID REGIONS OF THE WORLD ARE TAKING
REGIONS OF THE WORLD ARE TAKING MORE PRESSURES TO PROTECT OR
MORE PRESSURES TO PROTECT OR PRESERVE ONE OF THE MOST
PRESERVE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCES ANYWHERE.
IMPORTANT RESOURCES ANYWHERE. CLEAN, DEPENDABLE WATER, HERE IN
CLEAN, DEPENDABLE WATER, HERE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, MANY PEOPLE
SOUTHERN ARIZONA, MANY PEOPLE ARE SETTING EXAMPLES WITH THEIR
ARE SETTING EXAMPLES WITH THEIR ERTS AND THEY'RE SHARING THEIR
ERTS AND THEY'RE SHARING THEIR FINDINGS WITH OTHER
FINDINGS WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
ORGANIZATIONS. FOR MORE ON THIS TOPIC, WE ARE
FOR MORE ON THIS TOPIC, WE ARE JOINED BY LISA, EXECUTIVE
JOINED BY LISA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TUCSON BASED
DIRECTOR OF TUCSON BASED WATERSHED MANAGEMENT GROUP.
WATERSHED MANAGEMENT GROUP. ALSO HERE IS TORY CRUZ.
ALSO HERE IS TORY CRUZ. THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR COMING
THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY.
IN TODAY. TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT
TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WATERSHED MANAGEMENT GROUP IS?
WATERSHED MANAGEMENT GROUP IS? >> THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE. WATERSHED MANAGEMENT GROUP IS A
WATERSHED MANAGEMENT GROUP IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION BASED IN
NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION BASED IN TUCSON, AND REALLY OUR MISSION
TUCSON, AND REALLY OUR MISSION IS TO CONNECT PEOPLE WITH THEIR
IS TO CONNECT PEOPLE WITH THEIR LOCAL ENVIRONMENTS.
LOCAL ENVIRONMENTS. WE DO THAT THROUGH EDUCATION,
WE DO THAT THROUGH EDUCATION, DEMONSTRATION AND POLICY WORK.
DEMONSTRATION AND POLICY WORK. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE
>> WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN A MOMENT.
SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN A MOMENT. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
ABOUT -- LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LEGISLATION THAT JUST PASSED AT
LEGISLATION THAT JUST PASSED AT THE CITY LEVEL OR COUNTY LEVEL?
THE CITY LEVEL OR COUNTY LEVEL? >> AT THE CITY LEVEL.
>> AT THE CITY LEVEL. >> SO WE JUST RECENTLY WORKED
>> SO WE JUST RECENTLY WORKED FOR ABOUT A YEAR WITH THE
FOR ABOUT A YEAR WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND THE TUCSON
MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND THE TUCSON DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO PASS A GREENSTREETS POLICY, AND
PASS A GREENSTREETS POLICY, AND THAT POLICY WILL REQUIRE THAT
THAT POLICY WILL REQUIRE THAT ALL NEW ROADWAY DEVELOPMENT AND
ALL NEW ROADWAY DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT BE DESIGNED TO
REDEVELOPMENT BE DESIGNED TO CAPTURE STORM WATER.
CAPTURE STORM WATER. AND THE REASON WE CARE ABOUT
AND THE REASON WE CARE ABOUT THAT IN THIS ARID ENVIRONMENT,
THAT IN THIS ARID ENVIRONMENT, THE STORM WATER IS A TREMENDOUS
THE STORM WATER IS A TREMENDOUS RESOURCE FOR GROWING TREES AND
RESOURCE FOR GROWING TREES AND OTHER VEGETATION THAT WILL
OTHER VEGETATION THAT WILL INCREASE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND
INCREASE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND SHADE OUR STREETS AND PROVIDE
SHADE OUR STREETS AND PROVIDE HABITAT.
HABITAT. RATHER THAN JUST LETTING THAT
RATHER THAN JUST LETTING THAT RESOURCE RUN DOWN THE STREET AND
RESOURCE RUN DOWN THE STREET AND NOT BE USED, WE NOW HAVE
NOT BE USED, WE NOW HAVE STANDARDS THAT SAY THAT ROADWAYS
STANDARDS THAT SAY THAT ROADWAYS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO CAPTURE
SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO CAPTURE THAT RESOURCE, AND TO GROW
THAT RESOURCE, AND TO GROW STREET TREES AND ORNATIVE
STREET TREES AND ORNATIVE VEGETATION.
VEGETATION. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
THIS IS PART OF THAT PROJECT. >> THIS IS WHEN WE GO THROUGH,
>> THIS IS WHEN WE GO THROUGH, WE PUT IN EARTHEN BASINS ALONG
WE PUT IN EARTHEN BASINS ALONG THE STREETS.
THE STREETS. WE HAVE TO CREATE A WAY FOR THE
WE HAVE TO CREATE A WAY FOR THE WATER FLOWING DOWN THE STREET TO
WATER FLOWING DOWN THE STREET TO GET INTO THOSE EARTHEN BASINS.
GET INTO THOSE EARTHEN BASINS. THIS IS THE INSIDE OF A CURB
THIS IS THE INSIDE OF A CURB CORE.
CORE. WE CUT A CORD THROUGH THE
WE CUT A CORD THROUGH THE CONCRETE OR WE CAN DO A FRONT AS
CONCRETE OR WE CAN DO A FRONT AS THE WATER FLOWS DOWN THE STREET,
THE WATER FLOWS DOWN THE STREET, IT FLOWS INTO A BASIN WHERE IT
IT FLOWS INTO A BASIN WHERE IT SUPPORTS NATIVE VEGETATION AND
SUPPORTS NATIVE VEGETATION AND TREES AND INFILTRATES DOWN INTO
TREES AND INFILTRATES DOWN INTO THE GROUND.
THE GROUND. >> WE'RE TALKING STORM WATER
>> WE'RE TALKING STORM WATER RUNOFF?
RUNOFF? SOMETHING THAT WOULD RUN OFF AND
SOMETHING THAT WOULD RUN OFF AND END UP IN ONE OF OUR LOCAL
END UP IN ONE OF OUR LOCAL RIVERS OR -- I DON'T KNOW.
RIVERS OR -- I DON'T KNOW. >> BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY CHANGED OUR WATERSHED WE'VE
CHANGED OUR WATERSHED WE'VE COVERED THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT
COVERED THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT WITH ASPHALT OR OUR ROOFTOPS OR
WITH ASPHALT OR OUR ROOFTOPS OR CONCRETE.
CONCRETE. THAT'S GENERATING MORE RUNOFFS
THAT'S GENERATING MORE RUNOFFS THAN A NATURAL SYSTEM WOULD.
THAN A NATURAL SYSTEM WOULD. WE'RE CAPTURING THAT RUNOFF AND
WE'RE CAPTURING THAT RUNOFF AND MORE CLOSELY IMITATING WHAT A
MORE CLOSELY IMITATING WHAT A NATURAL LANDSCAPE WOULD DO.
NATURAL LANDSCAPE WOULD DO. >> LET ME COME BACK TO YOU AND
>> LET ME COME BACK TO YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY EFFORTS
TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY EFFORTS HERE IT'S NOT YOU GUYS GOING IN
HERE IT'S NOT YOU GUYS GOING IN AND DOING THIS FOR THE
AND DOING THIS FOR THE COMMUNITY, CORRECT?
COMMUNITY, CORRECT? >> ALL OUR PROGRAMS ARE BASED ON
>> ALL OUR PROGRAMS ARE BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INTEREST, SO
THE COMMUNITY INTEREST, SO WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY'S
WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE
INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT OR IMPLEMENTING, WE'RE
ABOUT OR IMPLEMENTING, WE'RE THERE TO HELP SUPPORT THAT.
THERE TO HELP SUPPORT THAT. ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR PROGRAMS
ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR PROGRAMS IS OUR CO-OP PROGRAM BASED ON A
IS OUR CO-OP PROGRAM BASED ON A BARN RAISING MODEL, MEMBERS COME
BARN RAISING MODEL, MEMBERS COME OUT AND PROVIDE THE INSTRUCTOR
OUT AND PROVIDE THE INSTRUCTOR WITH WAYS TO HARVEST THE
WITH WAYS TO HARVEST THE RAINWATER.
RAINWATER. RAIN GARDENS, JUST THE EARTHEN
RAIN GARDENS, JUST THE EARTHEN FEATURES AND DOING THE GARDENS,
FEATURES AND DOING THE GARDENS, THE VEGETABLE GARDENS, FRUIT
THE VEGETABLE GARDENS, FRUIT TREES AND NATIVE PLANTS.
TREES AND NATIVE PLANTS. >> A LOT OF IT IS YOU'RE DOING
>> A LOT OF IT IS YOU'RE DOING THINGS, MAKING CHANGES, A LOT OF
THINGS, MAKING CHANGES, A LOT OF THIS IS EXPERIMENTING AND
THIS IS EXPERIMENTING AND LEARNING FROM WHAT YOU DO?
LEARNING FROM WHAT YOU DO? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. YES.
YES. >> WE LIKE TO LEARN BY DOING.
>> WE LIKE TO LEARN BY DOING. AND LEARN FROM -- WE BRING OUR
AND LEARN FROM -- WE BRING OUR EXPERTI
EXPERTI EXPERTISE, BUT ALWAYS LEARNING
EXPERTISE, BUT ALWAYS LEARNING FROM OUR PARTNERS, THE
FROM OUR PARTNERS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE WORK WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOODS WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS, THE INDIVIDUALS AND
SCHOOLS, THE INDIVIDUALS AND IT'S KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE
IT'S KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE PROCESS.
PROCESS. WHERE WE'RE LEARNING TOGETHER.
WHERE WE'RE LEARNING TOGETHER. >> ALL RIGHT, SO ONE OF THOSE
>> ALL RIGHT, SO ONE OF THOSE EXPERIMENTS I UNDERSTAND, IS
EXPERIMENTS I UNDERSTAND, IS HERE IN THE JAR?
HERE IN THE JAR? >> THIS IS A FUN PROGRAM WE'VE
>> THIS IS A FUN PROGRAM WE'VE BEEN DOING THE LAST TWO YEARS.
BEEN DOING THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND ONE ASPECT OF THAT IS WE'RE
AND ONE ASPECT OF THAT IS WE'RE ACTUALLY LEARNING HOW TO
ACTUALLY LEARNING HOW TO CONSERVE WATER AND CREATE
CONSERVE WATER AND CREATE COMPOST THROUGH THIS INNOVATIVE
COMPOST THROUGH THIS INNOVATIVE PROGRAM OF SITE POST COMPOST
PROGRAM OF SITE POST COMPOST BUILT TOILETS.
BUILT TOILETS. THIS COMES FROM ONE OF OUR PILOT
THIS COMES FROM ONE OF OUR PILOT TOILETS, WE HAVE 20 IN TOWN, AND
TOILETS, WE HAVE 20 IN TOWN, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS DIVERTING,
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS DIVERTING, INSTEAD OF FLUSHING OUR WASTE
INSTEAD OF FLUSHING OUR WASTE DOWN THE TOILET, WE ARE USING
DOWN THE TOILET, WE ARE USING THIS COMPOST TOILET, WHICH TURNS
THIS COMPOST TOILET, WHICH TURNS IT INTO COMPOST THAT YOU CAN USE
IT INTO COMPOST THAT YOU CAN USE IN YOUR YARD FOR FRUIT TREES.
IN YOUR YARD FOR FRUIT TREES. THESE SYSTEMS ARE BEING TESTED
THESE SYSTEMS ARE BEING TESTED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA, TO
BY THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAFE, AND WE
MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAFE, AND WE ALSO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
ALSO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STATE, ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF
STATE, ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, WHO WE
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, WHO WE ARE WORKING WITH TO GET THESE
ARE WORKING WITH TO GET THESE PERMITTED.
PERMITTED. >> INTERESTING, MY FIRST THOUGHT
>> INTERESTING, MY FIRST THOUGHT IS, WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE
IS, WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE ANTIBIOTICS AND BIRTH CONTROL
ANTIBIOTICS AND BIRTH CONTROL PILLS.
PILLS. YOU HEAR ABOUT THESE THINGS
YOU HEAR ABOUT THESE THINGS LEECHING INTO THE WATER SYSTEM.
LEECHING INTO THE WATER SYSTEM. >> THE SYSTEM IS GREAT ABOUT
>> THE SYSTEM IS GREAT ABOUT BREAKING THESE THINGS DOWN.
BREAKING THESE THINGS DOWN. NATURAL SYSTEMS, WHETHER IT'S A
NATURAL SYSTEMS, WHETHER IT'S A COMPOST TOILET SYSTEM OR THE
COMPOST TOILET SYSTEM OR THE BASINS THAT ARE HARVESTING STORM
BASINS THAT ARE HARVESTING STORM WATER, THERE'S ALL THESE MICRO
WATER, THERE'S ALL THESE MICRO ORGANISMS THAT ARE DOING THE
ORGANISMS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK FOR US, TO BREAK DOWN
WORK FOR US, TO BREAK DOWN HARMFUL POLLUTANTS OR CHEMICALS
HARMFUL POLLUTANTS OR CHEMICALS THAT END UP IN THERE.
THAT END UP IN THERE. >> INTERESTING.
>> INTERESTING. SO THIS IS SOMETHING IN THE
SO THIS IS SOMETHING IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW, IS THE GOAL TO
WORKS RIGHT NOW, IS THE GOAL TO HAVE THESE ALL OVER THE
HAVE THESE ALL OVER THE UNIVERSITY?
UNIVERSITY? >> OH, WELL WE HAVEN'T TALKED
>> OH, WELL WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE
ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
GREAT. WE DO HAVE THESE SYSTEMS IN
WE DO HAVE THESE SYSTEMS IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. WE HAVE A FEW WITH PARTNERS
WE HAVE A FEW WITH PARTNERS LIKE -- ACTUALLY OUR OFFICE HAS
LIKE -- ACTUALLY OUR OFFICE HAS ONE OF THE PERMANENT SYSTEMS AND
ONE OF THE PERMANENT SYSTEMS AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY FOODS BANK
ALSO THE COMMUNITY FOODS BANK HAS ONE AT WITHIN OF THEIR
HAS ONE AT WITHIN OF THEIR FARMS, WE WOULD LOVE FOR THESE
FARMS, WE WOULD LOVE FOR THESE TO BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE TO
TO BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD.
BE ABLE TO BUILD. ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY. >> SO -- I'M GOING TO COME BACK
>> SO -- I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU.
TO YOU. TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE
TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT
ABOUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PROJECTS.
COMMUNITY PROJECTS. WE TALKED ABOUT COMPOSTING, A
WE TALKED ABOUT COMPOSTING, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RAINWATER
LITTLE BIT ABOUT RAINWATER HARVESTING, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
HARVESTING, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO AND
OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO AND LEARN.
LEARN. >> WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
>> WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEMONSTRATION SITES AROUND TOWN.
DEMONSTRATION SITES AROUND TOWN. WE IMPLEMENTED SITES ACROSS THE
WE IMPLEMENTED SITES ACROSS THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND IN NOGALES
STATE OF ARIZONA AND IN NOGALES IN NEW MEXICO.
IN NEW MEXICO. WE TRY TO DEMONSTRATE A HOLISTIC
WE TRY TO DEMONSTRATE A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO RESOURCE
APPROACH TO RESOURCE CONSERVATION.
CONSERVATION. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT CAPTURING
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT CAPTURING RAINWATER, IT'S JUST ONE PIECE
RAINWATER, IT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF IT.
OF IT. IT'S ABOUT LOOKING AT THE
IT'S ABOUT LOOKING AT THE WATERSHED AND THAT MIGHT BE WHY
WATERSHED AND THAT MIGHT BE WHY ARE OWN HOME OR YOUR OWN SITE.
ARE OWN HOME OR YOUR OWN SITE. AND HARVESTING AND CAPTURES
AND HARVESTING AND CAPTURES RAINWATER, BUT ALSO ENHANCING
RAINWATER, BUT ALSO ENHANCING SOIL THROUGH COMPOSTING OF FOOD
SOIL THROUGH COMPOSTING OF FOOD WASTE OR HUMAN WASTE, AND
WASTE OR HUMAN WASTE, AND FOCUSING ON FOOD PRODUCTION.
FOCUSING ON FOOD PRODUCTION. THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF
THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SYSTEMS, WE REALLY SCRATCHED THE
SYSTEMS, WE REALLY SCRATCHED THE SURFACE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS
SURFACE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE
POSSIBLE TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE DEMONSTRATING ACROSS THE
DEMONSTRATING ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY. LISA MENTIONED THE CO-OP SYSTEM,
LISA MENTIONED THE CO-OP SYSTEM, AND REUSING GRAY WATER IS A
AND REUSING GRAY WATER IS A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO START.
GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO START. WATER FROM YOUR WASHING MACHINE,
WATER FROM YOUR WASHING MACHINE, SHOWER, BATHROOM SINK, CREATING
SHOWER, BATHROOM SINK, CREATING A SYSTEM THAT PUTS THAT WATER
A SYSTEM THAT PUTS THAT WATER OUT INTO THE LANDSCAPE TO GROW
OUT INTO THE LANDSCAPE TO GROW TREES OR FRUITS.
TREES OR FRUITS. THERE'S A LOT OF IMMEDIATE
THERE'S A LOT OF IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION IN PUTTING IN A
GRATIFICATION IN PUTTING IN A SYSTEM LIKE THAT, SUDDENLY
SYSTEM LIKE THAT, SUDDENLY YOU'RE REUSING WATER THAT WOULD
YOU'RE REUSING WATER THAT WOULD BE GOING TO THE SEWER.
BE GOING TO THE SEWER. >> UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO END
>> UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO END IT THERE.
IT THERE. >>> THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES STILL
>>> THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES STILL LIE AHEAD IN A DEAL TO HALT I N
LIE AHEAD IN A DEAL TO HALT I N IRAN.
IRAN. ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THE PROGRAM
ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THE PROGRAM IS ENDING JUST AS THANKSGIVING
IS ENDING JUST AS THANKSGIVING APPROACHES.
APPROACHES. TRYING TO GET BY WITH LESS.
TRYING TO GET BY WITH LESS. >> IT'S A LOT.
>> IT'S A LOT. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT. IT'S VEGETABLES, MEAT,
IT'S VEGETABLES, MEAT, SOMETHING.
SOMETHING. AND IT HELPS.
AND IT HELPS. >> AND WITH PROMISES OF
>> AND WITH PROMISES OF TUNISIA'S REVOLUTION
TUNISIA'S REVOLUTION UNFULFILLED, PRESSURE MOUNTS TO
UNFULFILLED, PRESSURE MOUNTS TO FIND A PATH FORWARD TO DEMOCRACY
FIND A PATH FORWARD TO DEMOCRACY IN THE BIRTH PLACE OF THE ARAB
IN THE BIRTH PLACE OF THE ARAB SPRING.
SPRING. THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE
THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE STORIES WE'RE COVERING ON
STORIES WE'RE COVERING ON TONIGHT'S PBS NEWS HOUR.
TONIGHT'S PBS NEWS HOUR. >> MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE
>> MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE HEARD THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE
HEARD THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE WILL BE CANCELLED BECAUSE OF THE
WILL BE CANCELLED BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. SOME HAVE DECIDED THAT'S NOT
SOME HAVE DECIDED THAT'S NOT SUCH A BAD THING.
SUCH A BAD THING. >> IT'S NOT A GREAT POLICY, IT
>> IT'S NOT A GREAT POLICY, IT DIDN'T COVER ANYTHING.
DIDN'T COVER ANYTHING. WHICH IS WHY WE HAD A SECOND
WHICH IS WHY WE HAD A SECOND PLAN FOR MY WIFE THAT WE PAID A
PLAN FOR MY WIFE THAT WE PAID A LITTLE MORE FOR.
LITTLE MORE FOR. >> FINDING A BETTER HEALTH PLAN
>> FINDING A BETTER HEALTH PLAN AFTER LOSING AN OLD ONE.
AFTER LOSING AN OLD ONE. DISCUSS SCIENTISTS SAY IT TOOK
DISCUSS SCIENTISTS SAY IT TOOK ABOUT 200,000 YEARS FOR THE
ABOUT 200,000 YEARS FOR THE HUMAN POPULATION TO REACH 1
HUMAN POPULATION TO REACH 1 BILLION PEOPLE.
BILLION PEOPLE. OUR PLANET NOW HAS SEVERAL
OUR PLANET NOW HAS SEVERAL BILLION MORE PEOPLE, AND WHILE
BILLION MORE PEOPLE, AND WHILE POPULATIONS ARE IN DECLINE IN
POPULATIONS ARE IN DECLINE IN SOME WESTERN COUNTRIES OVERALL,
SOME WESTERN COUNTRIES OVERALL, THE WORLD POPULATION CONTINUES
THE WORLD POPULATION CONTINUES TO INCREASE DRAMATICALLY.
TO INCREASE DRAMATICALLY. ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN REGIONS OR
ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN REGIONS OR COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES. THIS IS PUTTING A STRAIN ON MANY
THIS IS PUTTING A STRAIN ON MANY RESOURCES, INCLUDING WATER FOOD,
RESOURCES, INCLUDING WATER FOOD, AND AIRABLE LAND.
AND AIRABLE LAND. NEXT, TONY PANTIAGUA HAS A NEW
NEXT, TONY PANTIAGUA HAS A NEW BOOK CALLED COUNTDOWN.
BOOK CALLED COUNTDOWN. IT EXPLORES THE GROWING
IT EXPLORES THE GROWING POPULATION'S CHALLENGE.
POPULATION'S CHALLENGE. >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. GREAT TO BE IN TUCSON.
GREAT TO BE IN TUCSON. >> WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR TUCSON
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR TUCSON CONNECTION IN A SECOND.
CONNECTION IN A SECOND. LET'S BEGIN WITH THE IDEA FOR
LET'S BEGIN WITH THE IDEA FOR COUNTDOWN, IT BEGAN WHEN YOU
COUNTDOWN, IT BEGAN WHEN YOU WROTE A VERY POPULAR NATIONAL
WROTE A VERY POPULAR NATIONAL BESTSELLER, INTERNATIONAL
BESTSELLER, INTERNATIONAL BESTSELLER CALLED THE WORLD
BESTSELLER CALLED THE WORLD WITHOUT US.
WITHOUT US. >> THE WORLD WITHOUT US IS
>> THE WORLD WITHOUT US IS REALLY A WORLD WITH US.
REALLY A WORLD WITH US. IN THAT BOOK I WIPED THIS OUT.
IN THAT BOOK I WIPED THIS OUT. I JUST IMAGINED SOMETHING NOT
I JUST IMAGINED SOMETHING NOT VERY PLAUSIBLE.
VERY PLAUSIBLE. IT WAS POSSIBLE ENOUGH THAT IT
IT WAS POSSIBLE ENOUGH THAT IT WASN'T SCIENCE FICTION EITHER.
WASN'T SCIENCE FICTION EITHER. IMAGINE AIDS WENT AIR BOARD
IMAGINE AIDS WENT AIR BOARD INSTEAD OF BEING PASSED BY
INSTEAD OF BEING PASSED BY LIQUIDS, AND SUDDENLY NATURE WAS
LIQUIDS, AND SUDDENLY NATURE WAS RELIEVED OF OUR DAILY PRESSURES.
RELIEVED OF OUR DAILY PRESSURES. WHAT I SHOWED WAS THAT IN A VERY
WHAT I SHOWED WAS THAT IN A VERY SHORT TIME, SURPRISINGLY, NATURE
SHORT TIME, SURPRISINGLY, NATURE WOULD START DISMANTLING OUR
WOULD START DISMANTLING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, EVEN OUR BIG
INFRASTRUCTURE, EVEN OUR BIG CITIES AND NATURE COULD REGROUP
CITIES AND NATURE COULD REGROUP WHERE WE'VE EXTINGUISHED
WHERE WE'VE EXTINGUISHED SPECIES.
SPECIES. AND MY HOPE WAS THAT READERS
AND MY HOPE WAS THAT READERS WOULD SEE THAT AND SAY, WOW!
WOULD SEE THAT AND SAY, WOW! THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
THAT WOULD HAPPEN. IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN ADD
IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN ADD OURSELVES BACK TO THAT PICTURE
OURSELVES BACK TO THAT PICTURE IN A HARMONIOUS RELATIONSHIP,
IN A HARMONIOUS RELATIONSHIP, INSTEAD OF A COMBATIVE
INSTEAD OF A COMBATIVE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ARE RIGHT
RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH OUR PLANET?
NOW WITH OUR PLANET? >> SO AT THE END OF THAT BOOK,
>> SO AT THE END OF THAT BOOK, THOUGH.
THOUGH. HOW COULD WE DO THAT I RAN INTO
HOW COULD WE DO THAT I RAN INTO A DISCONCERTING FACT, THAT EVERY
A DISCONCERTING FACT, THAT EVERY FOUR AND A HALF DAYS OR SO, WE
FOUR AND A HALF DAYS OR SO, WE ARE ADDING A MILLION MORE PEOPLE
ARE ADDING A MILLION MORE PEOPLE TO THE PLANET.
TO THE PLANET. IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A
IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A SUSTAINABLE FIGURE.
SUSTAINABLE FIGURE. I LET THAT QUESTION HANGING AT
I LET THAT QUESTION HANGING AT THE END OF THE BOOK.
THE END OF THE BOOK. IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD OR
IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD OR SHOULD DO ABOUT THAT?
SHOULD DO ABOUT THAT? SURPRISINGLY, THE BOOK WAS OUT
SURPRISINGLY, THE BOOK WAS OUT IN 34 LANGUAGES.
IN 34 LANGUAGES. AND I EXPECTED MUCH MORE
AND I EXPECTED MUCH MORE RESISTANCE AGAINST THAT, MOSTLY
RESISTANCE AGAINST THAT, MOSTLY PEOPLE SAID, WOW!
PEOPLE SAID, WOW! THIS IS A PROBLEM, SO THAT
THIS IS A PROBLEM, SO THAT ULTIMATELY LED ME TO DECIDE TO
ULTIMATELY LED ME TO DECIDE TO RESEARCH THIS THING.
RESEARCH THIS THING. THE POPULATION IS SUCH AN
THE POPULATION IS SUCH AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE.
EMOTIONAL ISSUE. RELIGION GETS INVOLVED AND
RELIGION GETS INVOLVED AND ECONOMICS, WE HAVE TO GROW THE
ECONOMICS, WE HAVE TO GROW THE ECONOMY ALL THE TIME.
ECONOMY ALL THE TIME. BUT STILL, ON A PLANET THAT
BUT STILL, ON A PLANET THAT ISN'T GROWING, HOW CAN WE KEEP
ISN'T GROWING, HOW CAN WE KEEP GROWING.
GROWING. AS A JOURNALIST, I DECIDED TO
AS A JOURNALIST, I DECIDED TO TRY TO -- AS OBJECTIVELY AS
TRY TO -- AS OBJECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE, RESEARCH THIS TO SEE,
POSSIBLE, RESEARCH THIS TO SEE, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FIT
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FIT ON THIS PLANET?
ON THIS PLANET? DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH NATURE WOULD
DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH NATURE WOULD NEED TO PRESERVE TO ENSURE OUR
NEED TO PRESERVE TO ENSURE OUR OWN SURVIVAL?
OWN SURVIVAL? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE WIDE
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE WIDE SWATH OF CULTURES THAT WE HAVE
SWATH OF CULTURES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS PLANET THAT COULD
IN THIS PLANET THAT COULD ACCEPT -- AS WE SEE IN
ACCEPT -- AS WE SEE IN ECCLESIASTES.
ECCLESIASTES. NOT MANY PEOPLE WANT A ONE-CHILD
NOT MANY PEOPLE WANT A ONE-CHILD POLICY.
POLICY. BUT THERE ARE OTHER VOLUNTARY
BUT THERE ARE OTHER VOLUNTARY WAYS TO DO THIS.
WAYS TO DO THIS. HOW COULD WE PROSPER WITH AN
HOW COULD WE PROSPER WITH AN ECONOMY THAT'S ROUTINELY
ECONOMY THAT'S ROUTINELY GROWING?
GROWING? >> FOR COUNTDOWN, YOU TRAVEL TO
>> FOR COUNTDOWN, YOU TRAVEL TO 21 COUNTRIES, LET'S HEAR ABOUT
21 COUNTRIES, LET'S HEAR ABOUT THE BEST CASE SCENARIOS AS FAR
THE BEST CASE SCENARIOS AS FAR AS PLANNING, AND PROGRESS IN
AS PLANNING, AND PROGRESS IN THAT AREA.
THAT AREA. JUST ONE OF EACH.
JUST ONE OF EACH. >> SURE, WELL, WELL, ONE OF THE
>> SURE, WELL, WELL, ONE OF THE MOST SURPRISING THINGS TO MY
MOST SURPRISING THINGS TO MY AMERICAN LEADERS IS THAT THE
AMERICAN LEADERS IS THAT THE UNITED NATIONS CREDITS IRAN WITH
UNITED NATIONS CREDITS IRAN WITH HAVING TO DEVELOP THE BEST
HAVING TO DEVELOP THE BEST PROGRAM EVER.
PROGRAM EVER. AFTER THE REVOLUTION, THEY
AFTER THE REVOLUTION, THEY WANTED EVERYONE TO GET PREGNANT
WANTED EVERYONE TO GET PREGNANT TO FIGHT OFF THE INVADERS, THEY
TO FIGHT OFF THE INVADERS, THEY HAD SO P PEOPLE, HOW ARE WE
HAD SO P PEOPLE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO SUPPORT ALL THESE KIDS.
GOING TO SUPPORT ALL THESE KIDS. A COUNTRY WITH A LOT OF
A COUNTRY WITH A LOT OF UNDEREMPLOYED YOUNG MEN.
UNDEREMPLOYED YOUNG MEN. THEY GET FRUSTRATED.
THEY GET FRUSTRATED. IT'S LIKE PAKISTAN TODAY.
IT'S LIKE PAKISTAN TODAY. IRAN INSTITUTED A POLICY SAYING
IRAN INSTITUTED A POLICY SAYING YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS
YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS YOU WANT.
YOU WANT. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE KORAN
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE KORAN THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE AN
THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OPERATION.
OPERATION. HAVE YOU AS MANY CHILDREN AS YOU
HAVE YOU AS MANY CHILDREN AS YOU CAN COMFORTABLY CARE FOR.
CAN COMFORTABLY CARE FOR. THEY MADE CONTRACEPTIVES FREE
THEY MADE CONTRACEPTIVES FREE AND AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY IN
AND AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY.
THE COUNTRY. AND THE ONLY THING THAT WAS
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WAS COMPULSORY WAS PREMARITAL
COMPULSORY WAS PREMARITAL CLASSES, IN WHICH YOU JUST TALK
CLASSES, IN WHICH YOU JUST TALK ABOUT MARRIAGE, WHAT TO EXPECT
ABOUT MARRIAGE, WHAT TO EXPECT AMONG THOSE THINGS WHERE, HOW
AMONG THOSE THINGS WHERE, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO RAISE AND
MUCH DOES IT COST TO RAISE AND FEED AND CLOTHE AND EDUCATE A
FEED AND CLOTHE AND EDUCATE A KID.
KID. THIS IS THE LINCHPIN OF IT.
THIS IS THE LINCHPIN OF IT. THEY ENCOURAGE WOMEN TO STAY IN
THEY ENCOURAGE WOMEN TO STAY IN SCHOOL.
SCHOOL. AS IT TURNS OUT, EVERYWHERE I
AS IT TURNS OUT, EVERYWHERE I WENT, A WOMAN WHO GOES TO SCHOOL
WENT, A WOMAN WHO GOES TO SCHOOL TENDS TO DEFER CHILDBEARING
TENDS TO DEFER CHILDBEARING UNTIL SHE'S FINISHED WITH HER
UNTIL SHE'S FINISHED WITH HER STUDIES.
STUDIES. YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE
YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SEVEN KIDS HANGING ON YOU.
SEVEN KIDS HANGING ON YOU. IRAN, TWO KIDS PER TWO PARENTS
IRAN, TWO KIDS PER TWO PARENTS IS ALL VOLUNTARY THAN CHINA'S
IS ALL VOLUNTARY THAN CHINA'S ONE CHILD POLICY.
ONE CHILD POLICY. >> I WAS IN A VERY SAD PLACE IN
>> I WAS IN A VERY SAD PLACE IN FRENCH WEST AFRICA, AND IT'S ONE
FRENCH WEST AFRICA, AND IT'S ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES ON
OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES ON EARTH AND HAS THE HIGHEST
EARTH AND HAS THE HIGHEST REPRODUCTION RATES, WOMEN ARE
REPRODUCTION RATES, WOMEN ARE LITERALLY TRYING TO HAVE BABIES
LITERALLY TRYING TO HAVE BABIES FASTER THAN BABIES ARE DYING ON
FASTER THAN BABIES ARE DYING ON THEM.
THEM. THAT'S A TRAGEDY.
THAT'S A TRAGEDY. THE MORE THAT SURVIVE, THE MORE
THE MORE THAT SURVIVE, THE MORE TROUBLE THEY GET INTO.
TROUBLE THEY GET INTO. THE WATER RESOURCES ARE RUNNING
THE WATER RESOURCES ARE RUNNING OUT, WITH CLIMATE CHANGE THESE
OUT, WITH CLIMATE CHANGE THESE DAYS, VILLAGE AFTER VILLAGE,
DAYS, VILLAGE AFTER VILLAGE, THEY SAY, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
THEY SAY, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS AGO, YOU COULD NOT
HERE 20 YEARS AGO, YOU COULD NOT HAVE SEEN THAT HOUSE OVER THERE
HAVE SEEN THAT HOUSE OVER THERE BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY
BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY TREES, WE CUT THEM ALL DOWN.
TREES, WE CUT THEM ALL DOWN. THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT
THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO REPEAT.
TO REPEAT. THESE PEOPLE DON'T STAY IN THE
THESE PEOPLE DON'T STAY IN THE POOR COUNTRIES.
POOR COUNTRIES. THEY MIGRATE, AND THEY BECOME
THEY MIGRATE, AND THEY BECOME EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM.
EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM. >> LONG TERM, ARE YOU
>> LONG TERM, ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC, ARE YOU HOPEFUL FOR
OPTIMISTIC, ARE YOU HOPEFUL FOR THE PLANET?
THE PLANET? >> YOU KNOW, I GOT INTO THIS
>> YOU KNOW, I GOT INTO THIS BOOK, BECAUSE I'VE WRITTEN ABOUT
BOOK, BECAUSE I'VE WRITTEN ABOUT RENEWABLE ENERGY, BUT WE NEED
RENEWABLE ENERGY, BUT WE NEED SOME TECHNOLOGICAL LEAPS TO BE
SOME TECHNOLOGICAL LEAPS TO BE ABLE TO GET OFF OF CARBON.
ABLE TO GET OFF OF CARBON. THIS IS SOMETHING ALREADY.
THIS IS SOMETHING ALREADY. MOST PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT, MOST
MOST PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT, MOST WOMEN IN THE WORLD IF THEY HAVE
WOMEN IN THE WORLD IF THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE CONTRACEPTION, THEY CHOOSE TO
CONTRACEPTION, THEY CHOOSE TO USE IT.
USE IT. IT WOULD BE SO CHEAP, THE AMOUNT
IT WOULD BE SO CHEAP, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PROVIDE
OF MONEY TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTION, ABOUT $8.5
CONTRACEPTION, ABOUT $8.5 BILLION PER YEAR, THAT'S WHAT WE
BILLION PER YEAR, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SPENDING PER MONTH IN IRAQ
WERE SPENDING PER MONTH IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, THIS IS
AND AFGHANISTAN, THIS IS AFFORDABLE.
AFFORDABLE. ALSO, THE IN IRAN, THE BEST
ALSO, THE IN IRAN, THE BEST CONTRACEPTION FOR ALL IS
CONTRACEPTION FOR ALL IS EDUCATING FEMALES, THINK OF ALL
EDUCATING FEMALES, THINK OF ALL THE BENEFITS FOR SOCIETY.
THE BENEFITS FOR SOCIETY. A LOT OF ECONOMISTS.
A LOT OF ECONOMISTS. WE WON'T HAVE A LABOR FORCE.
WE WON'T HAVE A LABOR FORCE. WE HAVE A WORLD FULL OF EDUCATED
WE HAVE A WORLD FULL OF EDUCATED PEOPLE, THAT WILL HELP A GREAT
PEOPLE, THAT WILL HELP A GREAT DEAL TO FIND THAT LABOR POOL.
DEAL TO FIND THAT LABOR POOL. >> I MENTIONED QUICKLY ABOUT
>> I MENTIONED QUICKLY ABOUT YOUR CONNECTION TO TUCSON,
YOUR CONNECTION TO TUCSON, YOU'RE BACK FOR -- IN THE
YOU'RE BACK FOR -- IN THE SUNSHINE FOR A LITTLE BIT, WHAT
SUNSHINE FOR A LITTLE BIT, WHAT WAS YOUR ROLE HERE AT THE
WAS YOUR ROLE HERE AT THE UNIVERSITY?
UNIVERSITY? >> WELL, I TAUGHT INTERNATIONAL
>> WELL, I TAUGHT INTERNATIONAL JOURNALISM HERE FOR SEVERAL
JOURNALISM HERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, I WAS ALSO APPOINTED BY
YEARS, I WAS ALSO APPOINTED BY THE CENTER FOR LATIN AMERICAN
THE CENTER FOR LATIN AMERICAN STUDIES, I WOULD TAKE TEAMS OF
STUDIES, I WOULD TAKE TEAMS OF STUDENTS EVERY YEAR TO A
STUDENTS EVERY YEAR TO A DIFFERENT COUNTRY WHERE
DIFFERENT COUNTRY WHERE SOMETHING PERTINENT WAS
SOMETHING PERTINENT WAS HAPPENING, AND WE WOULD DO A
HAPPENING, AND WE WOULD DO A SERIES THE TUCSON PAPERS, THE
SERIES THE TUCSON PAPERS, THE TUCSON CITIZEN WHEN IT WAS
TUCSON CITIZEN WHEN IT WAS PRINTING AND THE ARIZONA DAILY
PRINTING AND THE ARIZONA DAILY STAR.
STAR. AND THE NEWSPAPERS RAN ONE OF
AND THE NEWSPAPERS RAN ONE OF OUR SERIES AS WELL.
OUR SERIES AS WELL. >> WELL, ALLEN WISEMAN, AUTHOR
>> WELL, ALLEN WISEMAN, AUTHOR OF COUNTDOWN, AND ALSO AUTHOR OF
OF COUNTDOWN, AND ALSO AUTHOR OF THE WORLD WITHOUT US, THANK YOU
THE WORLD WITHOUT US, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOOD LUCK, MY
VERY MUCH, GOOD LUCK, MY PLEASURE.
PLEASURE. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.