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>> ON THIS EPISODE OF SOUTHERN
REMEDY.
>> I LOVE THE LOOK.
I DO.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
YOU USUALLY SEE.
>> VERY FEW PEOPLE,
BODYBUILDERS, 1% OF THE
POPULATION IN THE UNITED STATES
HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE A
BODYBUILDER.
>>DR. RICK: HELLO, AND THANK
YOU FOR JOINING US ON THIS
EPISODE OF SOUTHERN REMEDY.
WHEN YOU THINK OF BODYBUILDING,
SEVERAL STEREOTYPES COME TO
MIND.
GIANT MUSCLES.
OILY TAN PEOPLE.
AND, OF COURSE, AH-NOLD.
BUT THIS SPORT, AND YES IT IS A
SPORT, IS ON THE RISE ACROSS THE
COUNTRY AND ESPECIALLY HERE IN
MISSISSIPPI.
BUT IT DOESN'T COME WITHOUT IT'S
HEALTH PROS AND CONS.
>> FINDING OUT HOW MANY
BODYBUILDERS THERE ARE IN
MISSISSIPPI DEPENDS ON WHO YOU
ASK.
THERE COULD BE DOZENS, THERE
COULD BE HUNDREDS.
REGARDLESS...THERE ARE MANY MORE
NOW THAN THERE WERE IN THE PAST,
AND THE SPORT IS GROWING.
>>SANDERS: I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FIT.
I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO JUST TAKE
IT TO A NEXT LEVEL.
>> THIS IS JACKSON AREA RESIDENT
LEQUIDA SANDERS.
SHE AND HER HUSBAND ARE
BODYBUILDERS.
LEQUIDA HAS BEEN AT IT FOR WELL
OVER A DECADE, BUT NOW SHE IS
ATTEMPTING TO GO PRO.
>>SANDERS: I WANT TO COMPETE AT
THE PRO LEVEL.
AND I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY.
I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY AND
FIT.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT I DO.
I LOVE IT AND THOSE ARE JUST MY
LONG TERM GOALS, BUT I DO INTEND
ON GETTING MY PRO CARD.
WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THERE AND
TO STAY THERE, IT TAKES DESIRE,
DEDICATION AND DETERMINATION.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DESIRE TO
DO IT, YOU HAVE TO DEDICATE
YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE TO BE
DETERMINED TO GET IT DONE.
>> LEQUIDA IS JOINED IN THE GYM
AND ON THE STAGE BY HER FRIEND
SOPHIA SEALS, ALSO A
BODYBUILDER IN THE JACKSON AREA.
>>SOPHIA SEALS: BACK IN 2009, I
WON THE STATE TITLE.
I DID A SHOW LAST YEAR IN TEXAS,
IT WAS IN HOUSTON THE TEXAS
STATES.
I TOOK FIRST PLACE AND OVERALL
IN THE SHOW, SO I'VE BEEN DOING
PRETTY WELL IN IT.
>> BOTH REPRESENT THE CHANGING
FACE OF THE SPORT OF
BODYBUILDING.
GORDON WEIR IS A LONGTIME
FIXTURE ON THE MISSISSIPPI
BODYBUILDING SCENE.
HE'S BEEN AROUND SINCE IT BEGAN,
TRAINING BODYBUILDERS AND YOUNG
KIDS ALIKE, AS WELL AS HOSTING
BODYBUILDING SHOWS AND
EXHIBITIONS, INCLUDING THE
OLDEST BODYBUILDING SHOW IN THE
STATE, THE MISSISSIPPI
BODYBUILDING AND FIGURE
CHAMPIONSHIPS.
>>GORDON WEIR: THE SPORT ITSELF
IS GROWING BECAUSE IT'S LENDING
ITSELF OUT TO FIGURE FOR WOMEN,
BIKINI FOR WOMEN, PHYSIQUE FOR
WOMEN.
>> NOW, INSTEAD OF BODYBUILDERS
HAVING JUST ONE THING THEY CAN
COMPETE IN - BODYBUILDING -
THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT
CATEGORIES TARGETED AT SEVERAL
DIFFERENT BODY TYPES.
THIS HAS OPENED UP THE SPORT TO
A GREAT NUMBER OF NEW
COMPETITORS, AND MORE MONEY.
BUT NO MATTER THE CATEGORY, THE
ATHLETES STILL HAVE ALL THE WORK
TO DO.
>> SANDERS: I START OFF IN THE
MORNING.
I DO ABOUT 45 MINUTES OR AN HOUR
OF CARDIO.
THEN I GO BACK IN THE EVENING
BECAUSE I WORK AT A GYM
DURING THE DAY, SO I MAY
PIDDLE AROUND, I'M A PERSONAL
TRAINER, I MAY PIDDLE AROUND
DURING THE DAY, BUT IN THE
EVENING IS WHEN WE REALLY
WORKOUT HARD.
WE GO IN, HIT WEIGHTS FOR ABOUT
AN HOUR, THEN WE TURN AROUND, DO
ANOTHER HOUR OR SO OF CARDIO.
SO IT TAKES ABOUT 3 OR 4 HOURS A
DAY, AND IT'S AN EVERY DAY
THING.
OUR CARDIO IS TREADMILL,
ELLIPTICAL MACHINE, JUST GETTING
YOUR HEART RATE UP, BURNING THE
CALORIES.
TREADMILL, ELLIPTICAL MACHINES,
STAIRMASTER, STEP MILL, JUST
SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO KEEP
THAT HEART RATE UP AND KEEP US
BURNING THOSE CALORIES.
AS FAR AS THE WORKOUT PART, WE
COME IN, WE LIFT WEIGHTS, WE SIT
DIFFERENT BODY PARTS, LIKE
MONDAY'S CHEST AND TRICEPS,
TUESDAY BACK AND BICEPS,
WEDNESDAY LEGS, THURSDAY
SHOULDERS, FRIDAY WE MAY DECIDE
TO HIT ANOTHER BODY PART THAT WE
HIT EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
SATURDAY AND SUNDAY WE KINDA
TWEAK EVERYTHIGN STILL WITH
CARDIO, STILL ADD THAT CARDIO
IN.
>> AND IF YOU THOUGHT THE
WORKING OUT PART WAS INTENSE,
THE DIET PART IS EVEN HARDER
WORK!
MOST BODYBUILDERS EAT 6-8 MEALS
A DAY IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP THEIR
METABOLISM ROARING.
>> SANDERS: MY FIRST MEAL, I GET
3 EGG WHITES AND A HALF A
GRAPEFRUIT.
MY NEXT MEAL, I GET FOUR OUNCES
OF FISH WITH TWO CUPS OF
BROCCOLI.
MY THIRD MEAL IS, I GET FISH
WITH A TABLESPOON OF FLAX OIL,
PLUS 10 ASPARAGUS SPEARS.
MY FOURTH MEAL I GET CHICKEN,
CHICKEN BREAST WITH MY GREEN
VEGGIES.
FIFTH MEAL IS THE SAME AND MY
LAST MEAL, I GET 6 EGG WHITES,
AND THAT'S IT.
>> AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERY
DAY.
DURING HARD CORE COMPETITION
PREP, SOPHIA SOMETIMES EVEN SETS
AN ALARM TO WAKE HER IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO GET IN
ANOTHER MEAL OF EGG WHITES WITH
A SIDE OF BROCCOLI.
OH, AND MOST OF THAT FOOD?
IT'S PRETTY BLAND..
>> SANDERS: I DON'T DO SALT.
AS FAR AS SEASONING, I MIGHT DO
SOME MRS. DASH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
WHAT I DO FOR MY SEASONING.
>> EXTREME DIETING, BLAND FOOD,
HOURS AND HOURS OF BRUTAL
WORKOUTS A WEEK.
CLEARLY THIS ISN'T SOMETHING FOR
EVERYONE.
IN FACT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT FOR
MANY PEOPLE.
>>SEALS: IT JUST ALL DEPENDS ON
HOW BAD YOU WANT IT.
SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN'T HANDLE
THE DIET.
BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT IT,
YOU'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO
ACHEIVE YOUR GOAL.
>> SANDERS: I LOVE IT.
FITNESS IS JUST A LIFESTYLE TO
ME.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTO IT.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT
MY HEALTH AND MY OVERALL FITNESS
AND WELLBEING SO, I JUST LOVE
WHAT I DO.
I WOULDN'T TRADE IT FOR
ANYTHING.
IT'S LIFE TO ME.
I GET UP IN THE MORNING
I EAT, SLEEP AND LIVE FITNESS.
>>SEALS: I LOVE THE LOOK.
I DO.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
YOU USUALLY SEE, YOU DON'T
USUALLY SEE WOMEN WALKING AROUND
WITH MUSCLES, AND I LOVE BEING
DIFFERENT.
>> SANDERS: YOU HAVE THOSE
PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT YOU WITH
THEIR NOSE TURNED UP, YOU HAVE
THOSE THAT LOOK AT YOU THAT'S
REALLY EXCITED, THEY WANT TO
KNOW EVERYTHING, THEY WANT TO
ASK YOU QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN,
YOU GET A LOT OF NEGATIVITY
BEHIND IT, BUT YOU AGAIN, THIS
IS WHAT I LOVE TO DO, AND I'M
NOT GONNA STOP DOING IT.
AS LONG AS THE LORD ALLOWS ME MY
HEALTH AND STRENGTH, I'M GONNA
CONTINUE DOING IT.
>> AND ONE MAN STILL DOING IT
LONG AFTER OTHERS WOULD
PROBABLY HAVE STOPPED IS MEL
MCCOY.
>>MEL MCCOY: I WAS ACTUALLY 47
YEARS OLD BEFORE I EVER TOOK THE
STAGE.
AND ONE THING I LEARNED ABOUT
BEING 47, AND I CAN STILL APPLY
THAT NOW, IS I DON'T THINK
YOU'RE EVER TOO OLD TO IMPROVE
YOUR BODY.
>> SO HOW DOES A 47 YEAR OLD MAN
SOMEHOW END UP AS A BODYBUILDER?
>>MCCOY: I STARTED BODYBUILDING
IN 93.
I ACTUALLY STARTED WORKING OUT
IN A GYM IN 82, AND AFTER 11
YEARS, I GOT TIRED OF LOOKING IN
THE MIRROR AND SEEING THIS SAME
THING EVERY DAY.
SO, I WENT TO GORDON WEIR AND I
SAID, PUT ME ON A BODYBUILDER
ROUTINE.
I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
AND HE DID, AND I MADE SUCH
DRASTIC CHANGES IN THE FEW MOTHS
THAT IT BECAME CONTAGIOUS,
PARTICULARLY AFTER COMPETING IN
THE FIRST SHOW WHERE I HAD 4, 3
COMPETITORS BESIDE MYSELF AND I
MANAGED TO BEAT ONE OF THEM, AND
IT FIRED ME UP FOR NEXT YEAR.
I WAS SO PROUD TO GET 3RD PLACE
OUT OF 4 THAT I WAS ELATED AND
IT MADE ME WANT TO COME BACK THE
NEXT YEAR AND SO THE MINUTE I
LEFT THE GYM, I WENT AND STARTED
WORKING ON THE WEAK SPOTS AND
THE NEXT YEAR I COMPETED AND
THERE WERE 7 OF US AND I MANGED
TO GET 2ND IN THE 2ND CONTEST.
AFTER THAT I WAS HOOKED.
>> THAT FIRST COMPETITION WAS A
BUMPY ONE FOR MEL AS HE FUMBLED
HIS WAY THROUGH THE BODYBUILDING
LEARNING CURVE.
>>MCCOY: I WENT INTO THE GYM
EVERY DAY.
I STARVED MYSELF TO DEATH, AND
THEN I WOULD COME HOME AFTER
WORKING OUT AND I WOULD ALWAYS
BE IN TEARS FROM BEING EXHAUSTED
BECAUSE I WAS STILL LEARNING HOW
TO EAT.
WHAT I WAS DOING WAS STARVING
MYSELF.
BUT AT THE END OF THE TRAINING
AND WHEN I WENT ONSTAGE, I HAD
LOST 14 POUNDS FROM 183 TO 169,
AND I ALWAYS WONDERED HOW YOU
GOT THE ABS, WELL I FOUND OUT.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DIET DOWN.
YOU HAVE THE ABS, THEY'VE ALWAYS
BEEN THERE, YOU JUST NEVER SEE
THEM.
>> MEL SOON CAUGHT ON TO THE
EATING THING, AND CREDITS IT
WITH HIS CURRENT HEALTH.
>>MCCOY: YOU HAVE TO FEED YOUR
MUSCLES.
THEY WON'T GROW IF YOU CONTINUE
TO STARVE THEM, SO YOU FEED THEM
AND YOU WORK HARDER.
YOUR BODY BECOMES A WELL-OILED
MACHINE.
I EQUATE IT TO MAYBE THROWING
COAL INTO A LOCOMOTIVE.
I LEARNED TO EAT FOODS I NEVER
THOUGHT I COULD EAT.
THINGS I WOULD TURN MY NOSE UP.
I REALIZED THAT IF I WERE GOING
TO CHANGE MY BODY, I HAD TO
LEARN TO EAT THEM.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPROVED MY
HEALTH BECAUSE I'M EATING SO
MUCH MORE OF A VARIETY OF
VEGETABLES THAN I EVER ATE AND I
CHANGED THE WAY I COOK THINGS,
AND IT'S HELPED, I THINK WITH
BLOOD PRESSURE AND THINGS LIKE
THAT, THAT I PROBABLY WOULD
HAVE FACED IF I HADN'T BEEN IN
THE SPORT.
>> THE MENTAL SIDE EFFECTS OF
THE SPORT ARE ALSO TOUGH TO
BEAR.
ONE THING MEL MENTIONS ARE THE
SELF-DOUBTS.
DID HE MEASURE UP?
>>MCCOY: I THINK WE'RE ALL
SOMEWHAT DYSMPORHIC.
WE EITHER LOOK BETTER OR WORSE
THAN WE THINK WE LOOK.
WE NEVER LOOK EXACTLY LIKE WE
LOOK.
>> DYSMORPHIA IS WHEN SOMEONE
IMAGINES A PROBLEM WITH THEIR
BODY, OFTEN THAT THEY ARE TOO
FAT OR TOO SMALL.
IN THE CASE OF BODYBUILDERS,
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT AT LEAST 10%
OF THEM SUFFER FROM THIS PROBLEM
AND ARE CONSTANTLY DOUBTING
THEIR OWN SIZE.
ANOTHER INTERESTING STUDY
INVOLVING BODYBUILDERS CONDUCTED
AT VANDERBUILT UNVERISTY SHOWS
THAT MANY SUFFER FROM REVERSE
ANOREXIA.
WHEN YOU THINK OF ANOREXIA, YOU
THINK OF FRAIL PEOPLE REFUSING
TO EAT, AFRAID TO GAIN WEIGHT.
IN THE CASE OF BODYBUILDERS,
IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE.
THEY EAT MORE IN EFFORTS TO GAIN
MORE LEAN BODY MASS, BUT EVEN
WHEN SUCCESSFUL, BELIEVE THEIR
SIZE IS INADEQUATE.
MEL, ON THE OTHER HAND, SAYS HE
HAS HIS OWN PROBLEMS TO
OVERCOME.
>>MCCOY: SWEETS!
THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE ENEMY.
I HAVE A FANG AS BIG AS A
VAMPIRE.
I CALL IT A SWEET TOOTH.
I CAN'T GIVE IT UP.
I TRY, BUT IT'S MY WORST ENEMY.
I HAVE TO CARDIO A LOT EXTRA
JUST TO GET RID OF IT.
EVERYBODY HAS A WEAKNESS, THAT'S
MINE.
>> THROUGH IT ALL, MEL HAS HAD
HIS FAMILY BY HIS SIDE,
SUPPORTING HIM DESPITE THE
NEGATIVE STEROTYPES AND SIDE
EFFECTS.
ESPECIALLY HIS WIFE.
>>MCCOY: SHE HAD MORE PATIENCE
THAN PROBABLY SHE SHOULD HAVE.
AND I'VE SAID MANY A TIME THAT
IF SOMEBODY DESERVED A TROPHY
OTHER THAN ME, IT WOULD BE HER
FOR PUTTING UP WITH IT.
THE MOODINESS THAT I GET FROM
DEPRIVING MYSELF OF DIFFERENT
THINGS, WONDERING IF I LOOK GOOD
ENOUGH TO GO ON THE STAGE.
>> AND HE CAN'T THANK HIS KIDS
ENOUGH.
ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR TASTE IN
MUSIC.
MEL'S SON AND DAUGHTER REGULARLY
HELPED HIM CHOOSE HIS FREESTYLE
PERFORMANCE TUNES.
>>MCCOY: I WOULD USE A VARIETY
OF THINGS.
AC/DC, SOMETIMES BARRY WHITE,
DEPENDS ON WHAT THE KIDS PICKED
FOR ME.
>> BARRY WHITE?!
>> YEAH!
>> WHAT BARRY WHITE?
>> MILLION DOLLAR BABY!
(LAUGHS)
>> MEL'S BEEN SIDELINED
FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH A
SHOULDER INJURY AND HE'S A FEW
MONTHS OUT OF HAVING IT FIXED.
WHILE HE'S MOSTLY OUT OF THE
COMPETITIVE BODYBUIDLING GAME,
HE'S NOT QUITE READY TO HANG UP
HIS MANKINI JUST YET.
>> YEAH, IT WAS PRETTY SKIMPY.
IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY SCARY.
IT WAS THE LEAST I'VE EVER WORN.
>> INSTEAD, HE'S PLANNING ON ONE
LAST HURRAH.
ONE LAST BODYBUILDING SHOW TO
GET THOSE MUSCLES FLEXING.
BUT, HE KNOWS IT WON'T BE EASY.
>> MCCOY: AS YOU GET OLDER, IT
TAKES LONGER AND LONGER TO
PREPARE.
I HAVE TO SPEND MORE TIME IN THE
GYM TO GET THE SAME RESULTS NOW
THAN I DID WHEN I WAS 47.
>> YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN HE WAS A
BABY.
REGARDLESS OF AGE, MEL HAS SOME
ADVICE TO ANYONE WANTING TO DO
SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THEIR BODY
IN THIS WAY.
>> MCCOY: YOU'RE NEVER TOO OLD
TO START.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE 60 YEARS
OLD, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME
IMPROVEMENT.
IF YOU KEEP COMING TO THE GYM,
YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME
IMPROVEMENT.
>> DR. RICK: THREE INDIVIDUALS
WITH AN INCREDIBLE LEVEL OF
DRIVE FOR THEIR SPORT!
SO, HOW LONG HAS BODYBUILDING
EXISTED IN THIS STATE?
AND HOW DO YOU BECOME A
BODYBUILDER?
IS IT AS EASY AS HIRING A
PERSONAL TRAINER?
WE WENT TO MISSISSIPPI'S
BODYBUILDING EXPERT TO ANSWER
THESE QUESTIONS.
>> BODYBUILDING AS A SPORT HAS
BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, OVER A
CENTURY IN FACT.
IN MISSISSIPPI, THE SPORT IS
REALLY JUST FINDING ITS STRIDE.
THE SPORT'S COMPETITION ROOTS
CAN BE TRACED BACK TO 1979, AND
THE VERY FIRST MISSISSIPPI
BODYBUILDING CHAMPIONSHIPS.
BUT, NATIONALLY, THERE IS ONE
GUY WHO CAN REALLY BE CREDITED
WITH MAKING THE SPORT, PARDON
THE PUN, HUGE.
>> WEIR: IT GOT REALLY BIG WHEN
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER CAME OUT
IN THE 80S, DID ALL THE MOVIES,
CONAN AND ALL THAT JUST BLEW UP.
EVERYBODY WANTED TO BECOME A
BODYBUILDER.
ENTER GORDON WEIR, MISSISSIPPI
NATIVE, FITNESS GURU, AND
BODYBUILDING PROMOTOER.
>>GORDON: IVE BEEN A TRAINER FOR
LIKE 30 YEARS, 32 YEARS, AND I
GOT INTO BODYBUILDING PROMOTION
BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO RAISE
MONEY FOR THE DEAF KIDS.
SOMEBODY CAME TO ME WHO PUT ON
THE MISSISSIPPI, HE ONLY DID
ONE YEAR, THE FIRST
BODYBUILDING SHOW EVER IN THE
STATE OF MISSISSIPPI, AND HE
SAID, I HEAR YOU WERE
INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF.
HE SAID WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE
MY SHOW OVER, I'M MOVING TO
DALLAS.
I SAID SURE, I'LL TAKE IT OVER,
>> SINCE THEN, THE SPORT INSIDE
MISSISSIPPI HAS GROWN EVERY
YEAR.
>>WEIR: THE SPORT ITSELF IS
GORWING BEAUSE IT'S LENDING
ITSELF OUT TO FIGURE FOR WOMEN,
BIKINI FOR WOMEN, PHYSIQUE FOR
WOMEN.
WOMEN ARE GETING OUT OF WOMEN
BODYBUILDING, GETTING MORE INTO
PHYSIQUE.
IN THE MALE BODYBUILDING, YOU'VE
GOT PHYSIQUE NOW IS GETTING
HUGE.
THEY SAY PHYSIQUE, I CALL IT
MALE MODELING.
IT'S A REAL NICE GUY'S GOT REAL
NICE SYMMETRY, LOOKS LIKE A
LIFEGUARD ON A BEACH, REAL
RIPPED UP ABS, GOT THE BOY
SHORTS.
>> IF YOU'RE CONFUSED AT THIS
POINT, DON'T WORRY, SO WERE WE.
THESE ARE THE CATAGORIES NOW IN
BODYBUILDING.
FIRST UP IS REGULAR
BODYBUILDING.
THIS IS THE TRADITIONAL STYLE OF
BODYBUILDING THAT MOST PEOPLE
THINK OF.
LARGE BULKY MUSCLES, ON-STAGE
POSING, SKIMPY SWIMSUITS.
THIS CATEGORY CAN BE FOUND IN
BOTH MEN AND WOMEN'S
COMPETITIONS.
NEXT IS PHYSIQUE.
THIS CATEGORY IS THE NEXT STEP
DOWN FROM BODYBUILDING.
THE COMPETITORS ARE STILL VERY
BUILT, BUT THE EMPHASIS IS ON
MUSCLE SIZE AND DEVELOPMENT.
LEQUIDA SANDERS FROM EARLIER IN
THE SHOW COMPETES IN BOTH
BODYBUILDING AND PHYSIQUE.
BOTH MEN AND WOMEN COMPETE
IN THIS CATEGORY.
ANOTHER STEP DOWN IS FIGURE.
THIS CATEGORY IS WOMEN ONLY.
LESS MUSCULAR THAN PHYSIQUE, AND
MUCH LESS MUSCULAR THAN
BODYBUILDING, THIS CATEGORY
LOOKS VERY FEMININE BUT
EMPHASIZES MUSCLE DEFINITION AND
SYMMETRY.
AND FINALLY, THE LAST CATEGORY,
ALSO A FEMALE ONLY COMPETITION
IS BIKINI.
THIS IS A MUCH SOFTER LOOK THAT
FOCUSES ON A MORE TRADITIONAL
FEMALE SHAPE.
AND IN ADDITION TO THE CHANGING
CATEGORIES, THERE IS ALSO SOME
CHANGE WITHIN THE STANDARD
CATEGORIES.
>>GORDON: USED TO BE, GUYS WERE
A LOT BIGGER, BLOCKIER IN
BODYBUILDING.
NOW YOU'RE SEEING MORE SYMMETRY,
SHAPES, SMALLER WAIST.
NOT AS MUCH MUSCULAR.
HUGE MUSCLES, MORE SYMMETRY,
MORE BALANCE.
>> BUT WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO
ACTUALLY BECOME A BODYBUILDER.
>>WEIR: MOST OF YOUR BIG TIME
BODYBUILDERS NOW ARE ALREADY
GENETICALLY WAY GIFTED THAN MOST
PEOPLE.
VERY FEW PEOPLE, BODYBUILDERS,
1% OF THE POPULATION HAVE THE
POTENTIAL TO BE A BODYBUILDER.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T STICK WITH
IT BEACUSE THE DIETING IS SO
DIFFICULT.
WHEN YOU BECOME A BODYBUILDER,
YOU GO 12 WEEKS WITH EATING
NOTHING BUT SPINACH, ASPARAGUS,
BROCCOLI AND CHICKEN EVERY DAY,
TILAPIA.
YOU GO HOME AND YOU WANNA CUSS
THE WIFE OUT, KICK THE DOG.
YOU'RE NOT IN A VERY GOOD MOOD.
YOU JUST DON'T EAT ANYTHING,
YOU JUST GET IN A BAD MOOD.
IT'S VERY DISCIPLINED SPORT.
>> AND WHAT'S THE GOAL OF ALL
THAT DIETING AND WORKING OUT?
EXTREMELY LOW BODY FAT.
>>WEIR: BODYBUILDERS WANT TO BE
BETWEEN 3-8% BODY FAT.
THE NORMAL MODE FOR A PERSON,
ATHLETE IS 8-16% FOR A MALE AND
16-24% FOR A FEMALE.
>> AND MOST OF THEM WILL DO JUST
ABOUT ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE THEY
GET THERE, ESPECIALLY IN THE
LAST FEW WEEKS AND DAYS BEFORE A
SHOW.
>>WEIR: A LOT OF MY
BODYBUILDERS, THE WEEK BEFORE A
BODYBUILDING SHOW, THEY'LL CARB
DEPLETE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING
TO PULL ALL OF THE WATER OUT OF
THEIR BODY.
SO WHEN YOU CARB DEPLETE, YOU
DON'T HAVE ANY ENERGY, SO
WHEN THEY COME IN TO SIGN THEIR
APPLICATION, THEY CAN HARDLY
SIGN THEY'RE SO TIRED.
>> IN ADDITION, BODYBUILDERS CUT
BACK DRASTICALLY ON WATER INTAKE
IN THOSE FINAL WEEKS, TO THE
POINT WHERE THERE ARE ONLY
TAKING IN A SIP OF WATER EVERY
HOUR - ALL IN AN AN EFFORT TO
MAKE THEIR MUSCLES POP.
>>MEL: THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR
BODY SEVEN DAYS BEFORE A CONTEST
AND THE DAY OF THE CONTEST IS
UNBELIEVEABLE.
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE
ROADMAPS IN YOUR ARMS AND YOUR
LEGS AND YOUR SHOULDERS AND THIS
MAKES YOU LOOK MORE MUSCULAR.
ALL BODYBUILDERS STRIVE TO
OBTAIN THIS.
>>GORDON: BODYBUILDING IS JUDGED
ON THREE THINGS.
SYMMETRY, MUSCULARITY AND
VASCULARITY.
SO YOU CAN COME OUT WITH A BIG
CHEST, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SKINNY
LEGS, YOU AIN'T GOING NOWHERE.
IF YOU'VE GOT BIG LEGS AND NO
CHEST, IT'S GOTTA BE THE TOTAL
PACKAGE WHEN YOU GET ON STAGE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT UPPER BODY
AND NO LOWER BODY, VICE VERSA
LOWER BODY.
AND THAT'S THE KEY.
YOU GET BETTER, WHEN YOU GO TO
THE BIG SHOWS, I MEAN, THEY'LL
HAVE A HUNDRED GUYS IN ONE CLASS
THE NATIONALS IN THE PRO SHOWS.
THEY'LL LOOK EM DOWN, THE FIRST
THING THEY LOOK AT IS CALVES.
HE'S OUT, HE'S OUT, HE'S OUT,
HE'S OUT, HE'S OUT.
THEY JUST LOOK AT THE TOTAL
PACKAGE.
>> WHAT ABOUT LONGEVITY?
THE MAIN PROS DON'T LAST TOO
LONG.
>>GORDON: MOST BODYBUILDERS ARE
ONLY GOING TO HAVE A CAREER OF
MAYBE 10 YEARS WHERE THEY CAN
MAKE IT.
OF COURSE, MANY OF THEM HAVE
GONE INTO MOVIES, TV SHOWS,
A LOT OF STUFF.
>> AND WHAT ABOUT MONEY?
MANY OF THE BODYBUILDERS WE
TALKED TO MENTIONED THAT AS ONE
FACTOR.
>>LEQUIDA: THERE IS DECENT,
DECENT MONEY IN IT, BUT STILL
WITH ME, I'M STILL GONNA HAVE ME
SOMETHING DOING MY THING ON THE
SIDE WITH OUR GYM.
>> WEIR: YOU DON'T MAKE ANY
MONEY WHEN YOU BECOME A PRO,
YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY
BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO
DO THE SPORT BECAUSE IT'S SO
EXPENSIVE TO EAT, YOU GOTTA
TRIAN, YOU GOTTA PAY A TRAINER,
GOTTA PAY SOMEONE TO DO YOUR
DIET.
NOW THE PROS, ONCE THEY GET
GOOD, THEY GET ALL THESE BIG
COMPANIES TO COME IN AND
ENDORSE THEM, GIVE THEM FREE
SUPPLEMENTS, GIVE EM ALL WHAT
THEY WANT.
THEY CAN TRAIN 24/7, ALL THEY DO
IS TRAIN AND EAT AND WORKOUT.
>> GORDON SAYS THAT THE VERY TOP
PROS CAN PULL IN AROUND HALF A
MILLION DOLLARS - IF THEY
HUSTLE.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE LOCAL GUYS
HAVE TO FIT THEIR TWICE DAILY
WORKOUTS IN WHILE ALSO
MAINTAINING FULL TIME JOBS.
>> DR. RICK: FINALLY, WE ADDRESS
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
STEROIDS AND OTHER CHEMICALS
USED BY BODYBUILDERS TO ENHANCE
THEIR EFFORTS IN THE WEIGHT
ROOM.
SOME LEGAL, SOME NOT SO LEGAL,
AND SOME THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW
THEY'RE USING.
ALL EQUAL A PRETTY RISKY
SITUATION.
THINGS CHANGE OVER THE YEAR, AND
AS GORDON WEIR SAYS, THAT'S EVEN
TRUE WHEN IT COMES TO
BODYBUILDING AND STEROIDS.
>>GORDON: I THINK IT'S PRETTY
MUCH ACCEPTED.
I MEAN, 20 YEARS AGO, A LOT OF
STIGMA AROUND THINGS.
I THINK AMERICA'S PERCEPTION HAS
CHANGED SO MUCH ON EVERYTHIG.
TWENTY YEARS AGO, IF YOUR MOM
AND DAD GOT DIVORCED,
YOU WERE AN OUTCAST.
AND NOW IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY'S
MOM AND DAD HAS BEEN MARRIED 2
OR 3 TIMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
CULTURE'S CHANGED SO MUCH.
AND I THINK 20 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE
WERE LIKE, OH, HE'S ON STEROIDS.
SO NOW, PEOPLE DON'T THINK
NOTHING ABOUT IT.
>> DeSHAZO: SAD TRUTH, WHEN MOST
PEOPLE SEE PROFESSIONAL
BODYBUILDERS NOW A DAYS,
THEY ACTUALLY EXPECT
STEROIDS
>> DR. LARRY CRESSWELL: A
STEROID IS A SYNTHETIC,
TESTOSTERONE-LIKE PRODUCT, MADE
IN A LABORATORY TO HAVE EFFECTS
LIKE THE BODY'S TESTOSTERONE
WOULD HAVE.
THEY INCREASE ONE'S LIBIDO,
THEY INCREASE ONE'S AGRESSIVE
BEHAVIOR, THEY CAN INCREASE
MOODINESS OVERTIME.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THINGS,
THEY BUILD BODY MASS AND
ATHLETES WILL USE THESE TO
BUILD THE SKELETAL MUSCLES THAT
HELP THEM RUN FASTER, LIFT
MORE, THAT SORT OF THING.
>> DeSHAZO: THERE ARE ALSO
NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON A USER'S
HEART, INCLUDING AN ABILITY TO
THICKEN THE WALLS OF
THE HEART, AND TO INCREASE IN
THE SIZE OF THE HEART OVERALL
>>LARRY: THESE DRUGS ALSO ACT
METABOLICALLY IN THE BODY.
THEY WILL CHANGE THE CHOLESTOROL
OR THE LIPID LEVELS IN THE
BLOOD.
THEY WILL RAISE THE LEVEL OF BAD
CHOLESTEROL, AND THEY WILL LOWER
THE LEVEL OF GOOD CHOLESTEROL IN
TEH BLOOD AND OVER TIME, THAT
HAS AN EFFECT.
IF WE LOOKED OVER THE LONG TERM,
IT PROBABLY INCREAESS AN
ATHLETE'S CHANCES OF HAVING
PROBLEMS WITH CORONARY ARTERY
DISEASE LIKE HEART ATTACK BY 3
TO 5 TIMES IF THEY TAKE THESE
DRUGS OVER THE LONG TERM.
>> DeSHAZO: KNOWING ALL OF THAT
WHY WOULD ANYONE TAKE STEROIDS?
>>LARRY: AS A MEDICAL COMMUNITY,
WE HAVE A SUSPICION THAT THIS IS
BY AND LARGE AN ISSUE WITH MEN
IN THEIR TWENTIES AND THIRTIES.
IT'S YOUNG MEN THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AND IT IS MEN WHO ARE YOUNG
ENOUGH TO ENJOY A LONG LIFE SPAN
WHERE THEY WOULD DEAL WITH THE
CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING DONE THIS
EVEN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME DURING
THEIR RELATIVE YOUTH.
>> DeSHAZO: ALSO VERY COMMON
IN THE BODYBUILDING WORLD ARE
SUPPLEMENTS.
THESE LEGAL SUBSTANCES CAN BE
PICKED UP AT ANY NEIGHBORHOOD
HEALTH STORE IN ANY QUANTITY,
VARIETY, AND FLAVOR YOU DESIRE.
THESE ARE THINGS LIKE PROTEIN
POWDERS, CREATINE, TESTOSTERONE
BOOSTERS, MULTIVITAMINS, ET
CETERA.
DO THEY WORK?
WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION YOU'LL
HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING AN
ANSWER TO.
THE ATHLETES THEMSELVES SWEAR BY
THEM.
>>SOPHIA: IN THE MORNINGS, I DO
MY MULTIVITAMINS, ALL MY
MULTIVITAMINS, MY PROTEIN
POWDERS, PRE-WORKOUT
SUPPLEMENTS, AND A GOOD FAT
BURNER.
>>LEQUIDA: THEY USE PROTEIN,
THERMOGENICS, WHICH IS FAT
BURNERS, YOUR MULTI- VITAMIN,
BASICALLY.
YOU DO HAVE TESTOSTERONE
BOOSTERS, YOU HAVE THE
PRE-WORKOUTS, WHICH GIVE YOU THE
EXTRA PUMP.
>> DeSHAZO: WHEN HANGING OUT
WITH LEQUIDA AND SOPHIA ONE
DAY, I ASKED LEQUIDA WHAT ROLE
SHE THOUGHT HER SUPPLEMENTS
PLAYED IN HER SUCCESS.
>>LEQUIDA: I WOULD SAY 15-20%
OVER THE COUNTER; THE REST IS IN
THE GYM AND DIET, AT HOME IN THE
KITCHEN AND IN THE GYM.
>> SO YOU CAN DEFINITELY TELL A
DIFFERENCE WHEN TAKING THE OVER
THE COUNTER STUFF?
WHAT IS IT?
WHAT DIFFERENCE CAN YOU TELL?
>> BASICALLY, I GET ENERGY,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU, WHEN
YOU'RE WORKING OUT AS HARD AS WE
DO, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ENERGY,
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT PUMP.
WE DO NOTICE THE PUMP WHEN WE'RE
LIFTING.
>> DeSHAZO: SO WHAT ARE THESE
SUPPLEMENTS THAT MANY OF THE
BODYBUILDERS ARE USING, AND
WHAT DO THEY DO?
WE DECIDED TO ASK DR. MELINDA
VALLIANT, A PH.D. FROM OLE MISS
WHO SPECIALIZES IN DIETARY
SUPPLEMENTS.
FIRST ON OUR LIST: WHEY
PROTEIN.
>> MELINDA: WE GET WHEY PROTEIN
FROM MILK.
AND THE REASON I THINK WHEY
PROTEIN IS POPULAR NOW IS THAT
WE KNOW THAT IT IS A VERY WELL
ABSORBED PROTEIN AND IT'S HIGH
IN BIOFLAVINOIDS AND SO IT MAKES
A BENEFICIAL PROTEIN IN TERMS OF
MUSCLE GAINING.
>> DeSHAZO: SO, WHEY PROTEIN
SOUNDS GOOD, WITH ONE CAUTION.
>>MELINDA: THE THING THAT I
THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO
CONSIDER IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT
THE SUPPLEMENT FORM OF WHEY
VERSUS THE FOOD FORM OF WHEY IS
THAT WHEN YOU PURCHASE A
CONTAINER, LIKE A WHEY PROTEIN
CONTAINER, OUR CONCENTRATIONS OF
WHAT YOUR'E GETTING MIGHT BE
VERY DIFFERENT FROM ONE
CONTAINER TO ANOTHER.
>> DeSHAZO: UP NEXT, BRANCH
CHAIN AMINO ACIDS.
>>MELINDA: THERE ARE SOME
STUDIES THAT SUPPORT HAVING
ADEQUATE AMOUNTS OF BRANCH CHAIN
AMINO ACIDS INCREASE OR
DECREASE FATIQUE.
INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE
CAN DO AN ACTIVITY.
WHETHER THAT'S A LIFTING
ACTIVITY OR A SPRINTING
ACTIVITY.
SO THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE THAT
THEY ARE BENEFICIAL.
WE CAN OBTAIN BRANCH CHAIN AMINO
ACIDS FROM FOOD PRODUCTS.
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THEY'RE
UNSAFE IN REASONABLE AMOUNTS.
I WOULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
TO LOOK AT THE RECOMMEND
DOSAGE AND NOT EXCEED.
>> NEXT ON OUR LIST, GLUTAMINE.
>>MELINDA: GLUTAMINE IS
IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT PLAYS A
ROLE IN OUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.
IT'S A NON-ESSENTIAL AMINO
ACID.
SO THAT MEANS WE CAN MANUFACTURE
IT ON OUR BODIES FROM OTHER
THINGS.
IT ALSO PLAYS A ROLE IN MUSCLE
GROWTH.
WE CAN PROBABLY GET GLUTAMINE
IN ONE OF OUR COMPLETE
PROTEINS, SO I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR SOMEONE
TO CONSIDER WHETHER I NEED TO
TAKE THIS SPECIALIZED
SUPPLEMENT OR IF I WANT TO TAKE
A COMPOSITION OF WHOLE PROTEIN.
>> OK, THAT'S GLUTAMINE, HOW
ABOUT FISH OILS?
>>MELINDA: FISH OILS HELP US TO
SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT FOR
TAKING IN THOSE FATTY ACIDS THAT
OUR BODIES HAVE TO HAVE, AND WE
HAVE TO TAKE THEM IN FROM THE
OUTSIDE IN.
FISH OIL FATTY ACIDS ARE LINKED
TO A DECREASE IN INFLAMMATION.
THEY'RE ALSO LINKED TO AN
IMPROVMENT IN HEART HEALTH,
BUT THEY AT EXCESSIVE
AMOUNTS CAN BE, THEY HAVE A
LITTLE BIT OF BLOOD THINNING
PROPERTY.
>> NEXT UP IS MULTIVITAMINS.
DR. VALLIANT SAYS MULTIVITAMINS
ARE A GOOD IDEA FOR EVERYONE -
WITHIN REASON.
>>MELINDA: I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
TAKE A MULTIVITAMIN THAT DOESN'T
HAVE MORE THAN 100% OR 200% OF
THEIR RECOMMENDED DAILY NEEDS
BECAUSE THEN IF YOU'RE ALSO
EATING, WHICH I HOPE YOU ARE,
AND TAKING OTHER THINGS, YOU
COULD FIND YOURSELF IN EXCESS
FOR SOME VITAMINS.
>> AND THEN THERE ARE THE
TESTOSTERONE BOOSTERS.
>>MELINDA: WE DO KNOW ANABOLIC
STEROIDS WORK.
THERE ARE PRODUCTS TOUTED AS
TESTOSTERONE BOOSTERS OR LABELED
AS TESTOTERONE BOOSTERS THAT
HAVE SOME SUBSTANCES IN THERE
THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO
INCREASE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS,
BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, THEY'RE
PROBABLY NOT THE FOUNTAIN OF
YOUTH THAT THEY'RE HOPED TO BE.
>> CREATINE IS PROBABLY THE MOST
WELL-KNOWN OF ALL NUTRITONAL
SUPPLEMENTS.
HOW DOES THAT MEASURE UP?
>>MELINDA: CREATINE IS LINKED TO
AN INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS.
IT IS ALSO LINKED TO AN INCREASE
IN MUSCLE POWER.
AND PART OF THE KINDA THEORY OF
WHY WE THINK CREATINE WORKS SO
WELL IS IT GIVES PEOPLE THE
ABILITY TO WORK HARDER IN THE
WEIGHT ROOM, AND IF WE CAN WORK
HARDER, WE CAN GET MORE GAINS
FROM OUR WORKOUTS.
>> AND OUR LAST PRODUCT FOR DR.
VALLIANT TO EXAMINE -
THERMOGENICS, ALSO KNOWN AS FAT
BURNERS.
>> THERMOGENICS ARE BASICALLY
STIMULANTS.
AND THEY'RE VERY COMMONLY
MARKETED FOR WEIGHT LOSS.
OR FOR CUTTING FAT.
SO THEY'RE MARKETED EITHER TO A
VERY OVERWEIGHT POPULATION OR A
POPULATION THAT IS ACTIVE AND
WANTS TO GET AS LEAN AS
POSSIBLE.
>> NONE OF IT IS REGULATED.
AT ALL.
THE DIETARY SUPPLEENT HEALTH AND
EDUCATION ACT WAS PASSED BY
CONGRESS IN 1994 AND IT KEEPS
THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION
AWAY FROM THE INDUSTRY.
SUPPLEMENT MAKERS ONLY HAVE TO
PROVIDE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION
OF SAFTEY OF THE PRODUCT - AND
GET THIS - NO PROOF THAT IT
ACTUALLY WORKS!
THE ONLY TIME A SUPPLEMENT MAKER
HAS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS?
>>MELINDA: ONLY IF THERE'S A
DEATH DO COMPANIES HAVE TO COME
BACK AND PROVE THEIR SAFETY AND
THEY NEVER HAVE TO PROVE THEIR
EFFICACY.
>> JUST THIS WEEK, THE FDA
BECAME INVOLVED IN A SITUATION
WITH POPULAR NUTRITION STORE
GNC OVER THE STIMULANT DMAA.
IN APRIL, THE FDA WARNED THAT
THE STIMULANT COULD CAUSE HEART
ATTACKS, AND THE COMPANY WHO
MAKES THE STIMULANT ANNOUNCED
THAT IT WOULD NO LONGER
MANUFACTUE IT.
THE FDA REPORTED RECEIVING OVER
85 ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS
INVOLVING DMAA, WHICH INCLUDED
DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, VOMITING,
LOSS OF CONCIOUSNESS, CHEST PAIN
AND DEATH.
ON FRIDAY, IN AN EMAIL TO THE
NEW YORK TIMES, GNC
SAID THAT THEY BELIEVE DMAA TO
BE SAFE, LEGAL DIETARY
INGREDIENT.
THE PRODUCTS STILL FOR SALE
CONTAINING THE STIMULANT ARE
JACKED AND OXY ELITE PRO.
THIS PAST WEEKEND, THE FDA ASKED
JUDGES IN TWO STATES TO SEIZE
THE REMAINING INVENTORY OF THESE
TWO PRODUCTS IN GNC'S
WAREHOUSES.
WE PURCHASED OXY ELITE PRO
OURSELVES AT A LOCAL GNC WITHOUT
ANY IDEA THAT IT CONTAINED DMAA.
IT DOESN'T MENTION IT ON THE
LABEL.
WHICH LEADS TO A DIFFERENT
ISSUE.
>>SHANNON: WHAT THE RESEARCH
SAYS IS THAT 30% OF ALL PRODUCTS
THAT ARE SOLD IN NUTRITIONAL
SUPPLEMENT STORES ARE TAINTED
WITH SOME TYPE OF ANABOLIC OR AN
UNDISCLOSED DRUG THAT CAN CAUSE
SERIOUS PROBLEMS.
>>MELINDA: THE INGREDIENT LABEL
IS PRETTY LOOSE.
THEY CAN SAY PROPRIETARY BLEND
AND NOT TELL ANY OF US BECAUSE
THEN WE CAN MAKE OUR OWN,
>> THERE ARE EFFORTS BEING MADE
TO HELP ATHLETES, PROFESSIONAL
AND EVERY DAY, MUDDLE THROUGH
THE WORLD OF SUPPLEMENTS.
THE WEBSITE SUPPLEMENT411.ORG
HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE FOOD AND
DRUG ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE
RESOURCES.
THESE INCLUDE TESTIMONIALS AND
OTHER EDUCATIONAL HELP SUCH AS
HOW TO READ SUPPLEMENT BOTTLES
AND GET PAST THE ADVERTISING TO
THE REAL INFORMATION.
SO MUCH UNKNOWN ABOUT THE
SUPPLEMENTS - FROM WHAT IS IN
THEM TO WHAT THEY DO.
IN THE END, THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS
BEEN DONE IS PROBABLY THE BEST
WAY.
>>GORDON: PROTEIN'S ALL YOU NEED
AND A CREATINE AND PEANUT BUTTER
AND JELLY SANDWICHES, CHOCOLATE
MILK AND EATING 5 BIG MEALS A
DAY.
>> DR. RICK: WE'D LOVE TO HEAR
YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT TONIGHT'S
SHOW, ABOUT BODYBUILDING AND
ABOUT SOUTHERN REMEDY IN
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THAT WRAPS UP THIS BODYBUILDING
EDITION OF SOUTHERN REMEDY.
HOPEFULLY, AFTER THIS SHOW, YOU,
YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING
OF THE SPORT, OF THE PEOPLE
INVOLVED, AND HOW DANGEROUS IT
CAN BE IF YOU DON'T DO IT RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.