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Someone else who is fiercely in favour of freedom of speech, is mister Hans Teeuwen.
He has recently, well, some time ago, written a song about us.
He dedicated a few lines to us.
Two? – One!
Such an honour! A whole line for us! – It was in rhyme.
Just a second, we'll do the intro, and then you may respond.
We found that little sentence rather vulgar and obscene and so on,
but to paint a picture for what we're talking about to these people,
we will just listen to the excerpt, while we'll walk right past you.
♪ "Christian dogs, goatfuckers, everyone joins in
Jesus and Mohammed on a public latrine
No I shan't offend, I'm sorry and I shall
Have myself get blown by the Girls of Halal
Free speech..." ♪
You have to go and sit on the rack.
Please lie down on the rack, mister Teeuwen. No, on your back. Don't be so stubborn. You're not getting a massage.
Why won't you give me a massage?
He's subject to electricity and he still doesn't feel it, ladies and gentlemen.
No, it's rubber, it's just rubber! Here, look!
Mister Teeuwen, hello? – Pyromaniac! We don't do that!
This is rubberrrr!
I think you've forgotten your jokes, right? Long time no show. Go on lying down.
I have, the other day! – You did?
In Scotland. – Well, good for you. – Thank you.
Why have you offended us? – Yeah, I thought it was funny.
What was so funny about it?
Well, because you are so chaste, I liked to name you in a *** context.
You thought that was funny? – Yes, I thought that was funny.
And because it rhymed too, it was a piece of cake.
Did many people laugh about it? – Yeah.
Including yourself? – Yeah. And, do you know who also!?
A dignitary from Amsterdam. Because I saw him, he was there, too.
That was uh uh the mayor.
And he had to, in spite of himself, because he of course should't do that,
and when that line came I saw him go: *snigger*
And I thought "I'm doing great right now!"
'We asked for the news, not for the weather.'
Why did you have this urge to offend us? – Well, I just found it funny.
You found it funny and thought, I'm just gonna do this?
Yeah, I had to write a song, I had to stand there, freezing,
all the while it was raining severely, then I've got to come up with something jolly.
You do have to respond to my question, right?
I DON'T HAVE TO ANYTHING!!!
Mister Teeuwen, I'm doing the talking... – Yeah, and now I am!
You have no right to speak at this moment!
Aren't we proper ladies, you don't talk to ladies like that, do you? – Electricity is starting to work.
Mister Teeuwen? – Yes, ma'am? – You shouldn't talk to ladies like that, should you?
What's your name? Then I can address you too.
Miss Alariachi, miss Alariachi, miss Alariachi.
Alariachi? – Wait wait wait...
♪ Alariachi! Alariachi! ♪
We are the announchers here...(lacht)
Serious now, mister Teeuwen! – You joker!
Why do you insult so much? – I don't insult much at all. I make jokes.
Appallingly much. – O yeah, who else then?
You insult us, for example. – Yeah well, that's not so much? That's only 3!
And you can support eachother, so you can deal with it together.
But also many religions, why do you do that?
– Well, because I think it's funny.
Because I... everything that has got some status, has also got some form of power.
And power always corrupts, and should be able to be ridiculed.
When that's no longer possible, you'll get scary situations, like a dictatorship, and thereore it has to happen.
Hey, go way! - Hurt me, baby!
You want to reach a goal with your offending. - No, I want to make people laugh.
You don't want to reach a goal? When you call Christians certain names?
A goal? No, I look at the world, and I see a lot of things,
and some things I find very funny, or ridiculous or hilarious, or stupid,
and then I make shows about those things to get people to lauch about them.
But you're repeating that the whole time. Can't we be serious for a moment?
Pfff, just when I'm *being* serious for once...!
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, with whom you probably agree, I guess,
declared in Berlin 1,5 years ago that she has the right to offend.
Yes. - Do you agree?
I do - I think you should have that right, yes.
You've got that right. - But that is very different from the right...
...to freedom of expression.
Well, an opinion may be offensive, you know?
So it's possible that when I give my opinion, that will be offensive to someone else.
Besides, an insult for some people is just...
well, a truth they'd rather not hear.
And that could kind of mean that "Oh, then we're not allowed to talk about that, because it's offensive."
That's open to many interpretations!
(Cheering)
So are you saying you do deliberately offend or not deliberately? Because...
Well, when I'm making shows or such a song,
I just want to make a nice song, that you can laugh about.
And an insult can also be very hilarious.
Where do you draw the line? - The line is violence!
Not until then? - Yeah.
So first, you get people get all heated up and let them boil with rage,
and then you say "yeah, I'm drawing the line right here"?
"Heat people up and let them boil"? Don't they choose that themselves?
But you insult a great many of people. People can get pretty... frustrated...
Yeah but, do you think... you're acting as if... - Lie down!
...as if sensitivity and offendedness and feeling offended
is a privilege solely for religious people!
No, not at all! - Don't you think that when I turn on the TV...
Don't you think... just a minute, I just want to say something.
Do you think that when I turn on the TV, I don't see things that annoy me?
That I couldn't feel offended?
But you develop a shield for such things!
That's what you do in a free society, because you face things you rather not...!
(Cheering)
And I notice... that very often, religious people are quite bad at this,
because religious people have a tendency to place a monopoly on the truth.
They wanna say: "You must live *this* way, you gotta do things *this* way!"
(Cheering)
How long did you uh... how long did you practice these oneliners? (laughs)
You do offend quite often. You can deny that all you like,
but you can't say you don't do that on stage.
Yeah, but I've just heard someone say that homosexuality is a sin;
I've just seen someone walk out because a miniskirt was shown;
I've seen all those kind of... Well, that's very offensive, too!
(Cheering)
But in my case, you can at least laugh about it!
But we're talking about a western civilisation - right? - that is superior,
but by offending and reviling, - because you do that a lot too, don't you? -
Reviling? Wait a minute, I don't understand... - Yeah, you have reviled, you did.
You've used specific words I don't want to put in my mouth, but...
Hah! "Put in your mouth" is also a funny...
(Laughter)
Hang on, hang on!
You're doing your trick again! "Hahaha". - Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Isn't it a sign of cilivisation we don't just go abount reviling eachother?
True, and the evening is still young.
But I don't just revile, I make jokes!
Ans sometimes, those jokes about things... especially topics that are sensitive,
that are controversial... Those are funny! Those are exciting! They make for excitement!
And as a comedian, you especially deal with that kind of thing.
Otherwise you'd have to abolish the entire genre of comedy, or satire.
Ok, last question, mister Teeuwen. When will be your new show?
Uhhhhhmm... I won't say!
You won't say. - It's not there yet?
Well, it will, it will! - Will this theme- hey?
Will this theme recur in your show or not?
- I don't kn-... no, I'll be talking about fruits.
Oh, so you're not gonna offend anymore?
I *am* gonna hurt a particular fruit pretty bad.
A particular fruit? - Yeah.
As long as they're not persons, it's all fine.
- I'm gonna annihilate the pineapple!
Will you go with us? - Just a moment!
I just wanted to give him a present, the blow-thing we know of.
Yeah but that's not what I meant, right?!
Right, but it is what we understood of it.