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Everyone, it’s Dave Asprey with Bulletproof Radio. Today we’ve got a pretty controversial
guest. Her name is Kerri Rivera and Kerri’s the Director and Founder of Autism O2, a hyperbaric
clinic and the first and only biomed based autism clinic in Latin America. Actually in
Puerto Vallerta Mexico. Kerri’s the mother of 2 sons. Her 11 year old is in recovery
from autism and she’s translated a bunch of protocols from American English into Spanish,
and is working to take autism treatments from the US to Latin America. The only thing is
the kind of treatment she works with are not normally recognized in the US but it’s a
kind of treatment that I’m familiar with. So Kerri, welcome to the show, I’m excited
to hear you talk about how this technology works and how maybe even people who don’t
have autism could use it.
KERRI: Exactly. Thanks Dave, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
DAVE: Let’s just jump right into it. What do you do for autism, because it’s supposed
to be an incurable disease.
KERRI: Right. Well, I guess we should probably start off with the fact that my son was diagnosed
in 2004 with autism and so then that began my biomedical journey to knowing to start
to heal my son. One of the big things was diet and he did well with that, and then we
kind of marched on and we tried everything, it was kind of like the boat with the whale
watchers, you know, everyone’s running to one side doing b12 shots, running to the other
side doing IV chelation, so we did all that. We ran back and forth. And basically us, like
most of the other people that were running back and forth, didn’t really see much of
anything as far as improvements were concerned. And so time went on and on and on and we visited
many doctors throughout the United States, and...diet was always big for us, hyperbarics
was really big for us, but still we were missing a big--I mean he was really still pretty impacted
and then--
DAVE: So how old was your son when you figured out he had autism?
KERRI: When I finally got a diagnosis in Mexico back in the day, there wasn’t a lot of any
of this sort of thing going around 2002 when he actually got sick with it so it was hard
to find a diagnosis and everybody kept saying that “well he’s bilingual” and he was
the baby of the family and he was spoiled, you know they kept saying other things but
my son dramatically changed at the age of 2. It was very dramatic. 2 years one day changed.
So you know, something was wrong but we didn’t know what happened and we’re sort of going
along and they’re saying terrible twos and terrible threes and it just kind of went like
that. Yeah it was not wonderful. But then there was a neuropsychologist who came down
as a visitor to the director of the school my sons were going to school. And the director
said you know I have this woman here and she’s a neuropsychologist and I’d like her to
meet with you and so I thought oh okay, but I knew that my younger son was fine so everyone
told me he was just spoiled and that’s the one that actually ended up with the autism
diagnosis. And so we sat down and we talked and we were talking, I thought we were gonna
talk about my older son who hadn’t slept in 2 years because his brother hadn’t stopped
crying all night long. And so she kept focusing on my younger son Patrick and she’s like,
“Does he always run around in circles?” Yeah. “Does he always flap his hands? Does
he always squeal like a dolphin?” Yes, yes. And you know, she asked all the standard questions,
“does he not point with his finger?” No he doesn’t point with his finger. “Does
he have any eye contact?” No. Well, anyway, I told her I went to everybody, all these
specialists and everyone told me he was fine, and she said I can’t believe they didn’t
tell you your son has autism. That’s verbatim. I’ll never forget those words.
And that was a real destructive moment. My whole world collapsed. But then I asked her
is it possible that she could be wrong and she said “no.” Well she said yeah it’s
possible, but she had done her post-graduate in autism and she had seen hundreds of cases
of autism, so that said, she basically led me to these psychologists and I said what
do you do? And she said well tomorrow come to this place and I’ll introduce you to
these people and I saw these two women like deer in the headlights, like, didn’t know
what to do and they were going to help me save the day and I knew this was not for me.
But I went to pick up my older son who had been with my girlfriends and one of them said
“oh I have a book, it’s about a diet for ADD, ADHD and autism. And I said oh great
so I read the book within 36 hours this book was read and I realized that my son was eating
everything wrong.
So literally the only things that he was eating that weren’t with gluten or casein or sugar
or something really bad were french fries. And as bad as french fries are, that was the
only thing that was legal: a potato was actually still legal on the gluten free casein free
diet. So that was what we started with. Plates of potatoes. I know I’m not telling you
this is nutritious. All I’m saying is basically what we’re looking for was something that
wasn’t gonna cause the allergies and the inflammation.
DAVE: The first thing that happened is you’re blindsided by this information, and then,
you sort of stumble across the idea that what you eat may effect the mental state especially
for people on the spectrum, and you eliminated some of the potential toxins from the diet.
KERRI: All of them. We took them all out. We took everything out. I mean this kid had
breakfast, lunch and dinner: fries. Because he wouldn’t look at chicken, he wouldn’t
look at fish, he wouldn’t look at fruit, nothing. He had completely reduced his diet
down to everything that was gluten and casein. So all he was eating was quesadillas, I mean
he had the worst diet by the time we figured out what was going on.
DAVE: You were living in Mexico where the quesadillas a very standard kids food.
KERRI: Yes.
DAVE: So, you’ve now eliminated many of these things except fries which have oils
that may not be good for autism and have potato lectins and other things.
KERRI: Right.
DAVE: Now, this is the beginning of your journey into understanding biomedical stuff because
you were basically kind of ignorant at the beginning of the process, you just didn’t
know right?
KERRI: No, never knew anything about it.
DAVE: Because honestly, who teaches parents how to feed their kids to not get autism?
Right? Although funny, I wrote a book about what to eat during pregnancy to reduce the
odds of autism, but…
KERRI: Interesting, interesting. That’s a good thing.
DAVE: So from there though, you went down this path that was about what--
KERRI: 2004.
DAVE: Right so it was about 9 years ago and in 9 years you’ve become sort of a self-educated
expert on what to do with feeding and caring for an autistic child. And the reason I invited
you on the show today is that in addition to nutritional interventions, which I know
can work wonders, I have family members who have left their jobs to take care of children
with autism, and reversed it to the point their kids are neurotypical after 100’s
of 1000’s of dollars and masses of interventions. But you went down a path of using something
called Chlorine Dioxide.
KERRI: Right. Well, I don’t know. This is sort of a little bit out there, but anyway,
by 2010 my clinic had been open and we were helping kids and their was IV chelation in
the ozone and hyperbarics and tons of supplements and everything--and you know, kids were getting
better but it was like you know, like you’re saying, hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So this was like thousands of dollars at least for these families who only you know, maybe
made hundreds of dollars in income so it was a very taxing thing and I really started to
think that if this is what this defeat autism now biomedical intervention thing is, then
I don’t think I really wanna be telling people about this. So with my own issues at
the time thinking you know, what do I do because now we’re helping people. We’ve established
this clinic. People are coming from all over Latin America. And actually, Canada and the
US is where people were coming from. And I really wasn’t too certain that I wanted
to keep doing it because we weren’t having the recoveries, you know? That was kind of
a big issue.
DAVE: Are you a licensed physician? How did you open a clinic?
KERRI: I'm a homeopath.
DAVE: Oh, you are a homeopath. Cool.
KERRI: And we had doctors, actually I had a hyperbaric specialist doctor in my clinic
I had an IV nurse, I had doctors that came down from the states that we used their protocol,
things like that.
DAVE: So you assembled the clinic with a bunch of professionals.
KERRI: Exactly.
DAVE: Some kind of advanced techniques. And now people listening, you may be going well
why do we have an autism specialist on the show? Here’s the thing. Hyperbaric oxygen
is one of the things that Kerri uses for autistic kids, do professional athletes use hyperbaric
oxygen chambers to recover quickly?
KERRI: Absolutely.
DAVE: They do. In fact, it turns out that if you wanna build resilience in any human
being, look at what works on autistic kids which are some of the most delicate nervous
systems and immune systems on the planet, and if you can make an autistic child become
more resilient and more able to function in the world that we live in, those techniques
often times work well for neurotypical people to improve their performance and wellness.
And certainly, my own experience having had symptoms of aspergers to my mid 20s and ADHD
and not having that stuff anymore, I know very well that these things work and how I
build my own resilience involves some of the techniques that you used at your clinic down
there even though you’re using them for bringing people back to normal. Now looking
at what do you do to take people and move them even further ahead?
KERRI: Its also autism, these children are born neruotypical. I mean, they’re absolutely
fine. My child hit every single milestone, he was substantially brighter than his brother,
and then something happens or there’s something that happens and they change. But they change
usually between 6 months and 24 months so even if your viewers are younger people and
they maybe don’t have kids or maybe they’re gonna have kids or maybe they’re in this
child thing, one in thirty boys is getting autism or one in three are on the autism spectrum
meaning asthma, allergy autism, ADD, ADHD. So it’s a wide spectrum, and the healing
all begins with the first step obviously being the diet because that’s the first step for
any kind of healing. But I think it does, with especially 1 in 50 when you include girls
because it’s less common in girls, but still just the same, it’s very common right now
in our society. So at some point it might not be your child, God willing it’s not
your child, but you know, there’s a nephew, there’s a niece, there’s somebody usually
somewhere in the vicinity and then it’s nice to be able to say hey there’s this
women on Dave’s show ya know? It might be a good thing.
DAVE: There are about 100 to maybe 150 million people with autoimmune conditions in the US
according to some of the research I’ve seen. And autism is one of the conditions of autoimmunity
that particularly affects the brain and the gut. So, the fact that you may not have autism,
if you have rheumatoid arthritis, funny, there are some commonalities between what your immune
system is doing in those conditions.
KERRI: You know what’s been interesting, Dave, to me is that I have a lot of parents
that do the protocol at the same time as their children, like they do step one diet, step
two the chlorine dioxide in the ocean water, step three, the parasite protocol, and many
of my parents have been diagnosed with lyme, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, and actually
go on to go into remission in these things whn they actually treat themselves at the
same time speaking of autoimmune disorders. So autism, like cancer is an autoimmune disorder.
So these disorders tend to get better when you treat them similarly. It’s been very
interesting to me.
DAVE: So you mentioned a few interesting things. Chlorine Dioxide, which in the FDA totally
rejects like, you’re making a dangerous bleach.
KERRI: They actually love chlorine dioxide. Sorry, Dave. If you go into FDA.org because
I’ve done this, you go and you put in Chlorine Dioxide it will tell you that it’s one of
the best biofilm dissolvers which will have the biofilm in our gut. Which has all the
virus and bacteria candida parasites and heavy metals in it so it dissolves that, doesn’t
dissolve the gut but it dissolves that, and it’s also a very good antimicrobial and
the FDA actually has a lot of patents that have chlorine dioxide in it and there’s
many many patents and dozens of patents which is also quite interesting to know that if
you call it chlorine dioxide, which is really what it is, it’s from a family of oxidizers
like oxygen hyperbarics, ozone therapy, hydrogen peroxide and chlorine dioxide, they’re all
from the same family of oxidizers.
DAVE: And by the way, I’ve done pretty much everything there years ago I tried--
KERRI: Me too yeah.
DAVE: --I tried sodium, I soon had the chloride, I for a little while didn’t necessarily
notice a giant difference compared to the other things I did. It’s interesting, if
you go to some of the FDA pages, they’re saying it makes dangerous bleach. And other
ones they say that it’s good. I’m just looking as we speak to find it.
KERRI: If you put MMS in there because that was the name that Jim Humble gave it, if you
put MMS in there, that’s when it talks about how bad it is. But if you put chlorine dioxide,
it’s actually quite a favorite because they use it in the slaughter houses, on the fruits
and vegetables, it’s actually in our municipal water supplies as well.
DAVE: So it’s basically the kind of bleach you would use to disinfect things and break
up things outside of the human body?
KERRI: It’s not a bleach. It does bleach just like lime and sun beach, but they’re
not actually bleaches. They’re oxidizers.
DAVE: Why is there a use for this stuff inside the human body? How does it work?
KERRI: It actually is a simple oxidizer so what it does is it’s a positively charged
molecule just like our healthy cells are so they repel. That’s why it doesn’t do any
damage to the body, and within 60 minutes, it’s entire activity has ended. So you don’t
actually go accumulating it, and at the end of the 60 minutes, you have about a couple
grains of table salt. That’s it.
DAVE: Okay. So this is an oxidizer. You put it in water. You drink it. And it doesn’t
oxidize your cells, it oxidizes intracellular fluid, or intercellular fluid between the
cells, right? It basically kills stuff that shouldn’t be in the body.
KERRI: Right. Exactly. Kills pathogens because it has, the body has a charge of 1.28 to 1.30
just like hyperbarics or oxygen O2, it has the same so that’s why you can use hyperbarics
but you can’t do too many, you can just do the right amount. But with chlorine dioxide
because it’s a 0.95 voltage is the measurement on the oxidizers, so it’s much lower than
the actual body. So you can actually take it. We do oral, ***, vaginal, ear, eye,
nose, basically skin for bats--
DAVE: You’re talking about ozone or you’re talking about--
KERRI: Chlorine Dioxide.
DAVE: Chlorine Dioxide, okay.
KERRI: Chlorine Dioxide. Chlorine Dioxide. The ozone actually has a higher voltage than
oxygen and that’s why you really have to watch. You know you have to go to the professional
who knows how to use it because they have to use a certain setting.
DAVE: Okay. So basically, you’re--and this is in the liquid form when you’re giving
it to them?
KERRI: Correct. Liquid.
DAVE: Okay. And so you diluted it in water until it’s what pH?
KERRI: No, you just dilute the bits drop per drop. It’s drop to drop. Yeah so we’re
always using, for every one drop that’s been activated, you use one ounce of water.
So it always has the same 3000 parts per million but you’re still always with the same dilution.
You know, like water, there was a radio show about 8 months ago where somebody had to drink
so much water and of course this compensation, the person died. So you always want everything
to be in the proportion whether it’s just drinking water or chlorine dioxide or anything
else that we use.
DAVE: Okay. And so how do we know what proportions work for, you know, treating I’m guessing
what would you call the things that are killed or removed from Chlorine Dioxide?
KERRI: Pathogens.
DAVE: Just pathogens?
KERRI: Pathogens and parasites. Right. For instance with the protocol we’ve been seeing
we have 108 children between the ages of 2 and 17 who have lost their autism diagnosis
using this protocol over the last 3.3 years. So the results have been very interesting
and there’s actually a number of doctors that are looking this way and are interested
in what we’re doing and actually support to a certain amount because they can’t lose
their license or they won’t be able to feed their families.
DAVE: This is very controversial stuff and I’ve known a few physicians who’ve embraced
early therapies and lost their licenses or had to move to another state with more lax
rules. It’s not even about laws. It’s about privately controlled medical boards
who are basically deciding whether or not you’re allowed to treat someone with something
that works or doesn’t work and it’s more about whether your friends do it, is it a
cool treatment. So, I’m also, I guess I’m a little confused about the mechanism of action.
How does Chlorine Dioxide reverse autism? Is it just because the argument is autism
is caused by like, pathogens, which we haven’t defined that well, like, what is a pathogen?
Can you name three pathogens?
KERRI: Yes. Virus, bacteria, candida.
DAVE: Okay.
KERRI: And then the largest pathogen is a parasite. And parasites are a little more
tricky to kill, but the chlorine dioxide weakens the parasite. So actually, when we use the
parasite protocol created by Dr. Andreas Kalcker, that parasite protocol, which is non systemic,
goes ahead and kills the parasites and we’re getting everything from the ropeworm, the
ascaris lumbricoides, the pin worm, we’re getting flukes, we’re seeing all kinds of
parasites coming out of these people. Children and their parents.
DAVE: Okay. So in your experience running a clinic, the number one contributor to autism
and ADD and things like that that are kind of the spectrum would be parasites, not yeast?
KERRI: All pathogens, no no all pathogens because they’re all in there together. There’s
a biofilm a virus, bacteria, candida, parasite, heavy metals. All this is causing inflammation.
All that’s causing allergies. We have this dysbiosis in the intestine, we have the leaky
gut’s so it’s taking all these semi digested proteins to the brain causing inflammation.
You know, there’s so many things going wrong at one time, but as we start to kill the pathogens
in the gut, then all of a sudden we’re having less proteins going to the blood, going to
the brain. We’re having a lot more clarity with the children, so pretty quickly they
start to turn around.
DAVE: Okay, so then you use this stuff, which using oxidizers or oxidative medicine as you
could call it, can be profound both for healthy people as well as people who are really dealing
with big issues.
KERRI: Right.
DAVE: I’ve used a ton of medical ozone, I’ve use hyperbaric oxygen chambers, I’ve
used hydrogen peroxide intravenously, believe it or not, a lot of people say that a bit
like “What?”
KERRI: So many people do it.
DAVE: But here’s the thing. There’s definitely anti microbial effects from these things,
but there’s also an effect where you train the cells in the body, just like lifting weights.
When you briefly expose them to a lot of oxidated stress, they turn on the production of SOD
and they also turn on the production of glutathione which is something people have heard me talk
about a lot because I make a specific glutathione that raises your levels in the body very quickly
and very high using an oral form. So one of the things you can do to increase your athletic
performance or increase your ability to even meditate, is raised glutathione levels. So
occasional oxidated stress to give your cells a workout, can have beneficial effects outside
of antimicrobial effects. Do you think that’s a part of what’s helping people with autism
when they use oxidative therapies?
KERRI: You know what’s fascinating to me is when I see the children when they start
working with me, most or all of them have done tons of labs, which you know the labs
are not always so wonderful. But you see these kids and they’re sick, you know? They’ve
got that IAO cinafiles, they have the low iron, I mean these kids are really sick. Everything
is just messed up on them. And then I see a lot of these kids who are still working
with doctors, for instance in the United States, a lot of them have a primary biomedical doctor
in the US and they’re running their tests, and like, for instance, one mom, her son recovered
back in March of this year, and she was saying that she went to the doctor and he said the
lab results were boring because there was nothing wrong with him! He was really healthy.
He was really fine. And he had pizza for his birthday this summer, you know? This child
has recovered from autism. He’s just leading the neurotypical dream life you know, and
the families, I don’t even hear from them anymore. Every once in a blue moon, a hey
how’s it going photo of a birthday kind of thing, but they’re fine!
DAVE: So these are some huge claims because a typical western physician, maybe non immigrative
will say we don’t know what causes autism, and there is no cure and you have to do cognitive
behavioral therapy and all that stuff. I know very well because I’ve seen it, I’ve done
work with autism non profits. I know that mold toxins have actually, even in California
Court, has admitted that mold toxins cause autism. Not the sole cause, they’re just
one of the many things that can trigger your immune system to go bonkers. Now I’ve also--I
get a little personal here. I’ve pooped in a lot of bags over the years for lab tests.
Parasite measurement is such an imprecise science. You can have them throughout your
body and poop in a bag and they don’t find it because they’re looking at it, sorting
it. Literally there’s a guy who’s job it is to sort through your poop under a microscope
and look, “Oh that looks pretty, that must be a worm” kind of thing. It’s very imprecise.
And it looks a little better than that. But honestly, visual inspection still matters.
KERRI: Absolutely.
DAVE: So how do you know these kids have parasites, especially these different forms, and how
do you know they’re gone?
KERRI: Well we just start treating with the parasite protocol. Well let me start back.
The second diet is the first step. Number two step is ocean water and chlorine dioxide.
I’ve had children take ocean water--parasites don’t like ocean water by the way--and they’ve
been so infested in the gut, that they’ve taken ocean water orally and out the other
end has come what looks like angelhair pasta because it had so many pinworms in the ***
that it’s on the inside all of a sudden all these pinworms came right out. I’ve
seen that happen before.
DAVE: So they’re just drinking like, ocean water from the beach?
KERRI: Yeah. Usually they’ll get like certain labels that have been cold filtered and they’re
from a vortex, and there’s different types of ocean water. But the point being, it can
be from the ocean water that you can start seeing the parasites or when they start drinking
the chlorine dioxide that some of these parasites will come out, and then of course once we
start the parasite protocol, that’s when we start to see the majority of them because
you’re actually giving them something to kill them. And that’s gonna drive them out.
But the chlorine dioxide definitely weakens the parasites and so when they come out, most
of my moms are--they’re real hands on.
There’s thousands of these people in 52 different countries. They’re my heroes every
day they’re there. Healing their children. And they will take--there’s toilet hats
that you can get that actually fit into the commode underneath the seats so that the children
don’t feel them, but then they can collect and they can sift through like they were talking
about, and they usually put hot water on it or you can use a collander, and obviously
this stuff doesn’t get reused in the kitchen. So they put hot water on it, and what’s
remaining, the stool will fall through, but what’s remaining are the parasites and they
have the same form. You know, they’re parasites or flukes or the pinworms, but they resist
the hot water and if it was mucus, cause I had a doctor say to me “wow there’s a
lot of mucus in there”, the mucus dissolves really quickly even with cold water. And with
hot water, even faster. But the parasites, because they’re protein, they just stick
around and so the parents will stretch them out and take photos and share it on other
social media groups just to you know, kind of helping us all get along and so when you
say how do you know that they--what happens when you get rid of the parasites, we see
these children get better with basically every full moon protocol. We treat over the full
moon and we also take something called an ATEC which is autism treatment evaluation
checklist. It’s available for free at autism.com and you can fill it out. You can fill it out
daily if you wanted. Again you just kind of fill in the information about your child and
it asks you a bunch of questions, the physicals, the emotionals, and all kinds of things.
DAVE: Alright.
KERRI: But when you have it, it kind of gives us an idea of how we’re doing and of course
everybody around this child is saying “oh my gosh, he’s doing this and she’s doing
that and they’re doing really well” and so the grandparents are noticing and life
is changing in the house so as these parasites are being passed, this child’s environment
is a lot better.
DAVE: Alright, now I have to ask you a couple questions here. So far you’ve mentioned
drinking ocean water, which everyone knows makes you wanna throw up, and like, if you’re
on a life raft and you drink ocean water, you don’t do very well because you start
to hallucinate, right? And you’ve mentioned vortexes and full moons. So I think you might
have tilted the skeptical meter pretty far here.
KERRI: Okay. That’s okay. We still know a108 children who’ve lost their diagnosis.
So I think that whether it’s skepticism or not, we’re proving it every day.
DAVE: I totally understand like, stuff works and there’s reason we don’t know why it
works. But I wanna dig in a little bit on--
KERRI: Okay.
DAVE: And I’m not denying the results.
KERRI: That's okay.
DAVE: I've seen amazing stuff happen with autism where it’s not supposed to be reversible
and I know kids who’ve had dramatic results. I saw one child who wasn’t even on the right
diet who went in six weeks of just brain training. Went from running in circles flapping and
screaming at the top of his lungs, like running a circle around me, and all of a sudden six
weeks later, walked up, “Hi! My name is so and so. How are you?” Like, complete
transformations in short periods of time. I know it’s possible and my own experience
of losing all my aspergers symptoms over the course of about 3 months at least losing most
of them and losing the others over the next couple years. So I totally get it. There’s
kids getting better and I’ve worked with moms directly. So, number one. Why do you
drink ocean water? Like, what’s in it that’s different than salt water?
KERRI: Minerals. Well it’s a balance. That’s it. So for instance, we might use 5 milliliters
of ocean water for getting the minerals into the body. Three times a day or ten milliliters
of ocean water and actually there’s quite a bit of information at quinton.com. Quinton.
Renee Quinton is the man that used to do IVs with ocean water back in the early 1900s and
cure people of all kinds of gut disorders and wasting all kinds of things like that.
DAVE: How do you spell his name?
KERRI: Q-U-I-N-T-O-N “keen-tahn”. Renee. R-E-N-E-E.
DAVE: Alright, I’ll put a link in the shownotes for people who wanna see that. This is not
something I’ve ever heard of. There’s definitely people who do unusual things with
ocean water, even taking ocean water and putting it in concentrated forms of it. Even in farmland
and having just dramatic changes in the crop yields. So there’s interesting compounds
including like, precious metals in ocean water that oftentimes we’re not that aware of.
So let’s kind of just stipulate alright, so there’s something good in ocean water
that people have used historically. It depends probably on where the ocean water’s from
and whether it’s from Japan or not.
KERRI: Right. Right, right, that’s not gonna happen.
DAVE: And then you mentioned a full moon. Why do you treat on a full moon cycle? Like,
what?
KERRI: The parasites are typically more active during full moon and new moon. So, if you
go into Google and you Google “full moon and new moon for the month” and then you
put them in your calendar, and you start to look at how you--road rage, somebody just
pissed you off because they cut you off. Like, all of a sudden you’re less tolerant of
other human beings, that kind of thing. Does your stomach get more bloated around that
time, do you wake between 1 and 3 in the morning? Nose picking? Butt itching? Things of that
nature with the full moon and the new moon are very common and that really tells you
that you do have parasites and most of us have parasites. You know, the idea is that
if you live in a first world country, you’re not gonna have parasites, but actually almost
all of these kids do live in first world countries and they’re pouring parasites out of their
bodies.
DAVE: So for people who are skeptical of the full moon thing because obviously only witches
care about that, there is any police officer or emergency room physician, by the way I’m
married to a former emergency room physician, will tell you full out that things are different
on a full moon. And if you look at admission records for jails or for hospitals, on a moon
cycle, there’s no question that there’s something different for humans around a full
moon. Whether it’s because of the effect on not just parasites, but even bacteria of
a full moon, there are effects. There’s a monthly cycle for all the biological parts
in the body. So I totally get that. And you’ve found that by treating on the full moon cycle
when they’re most active, you try and poison them? Is that kind of how that works?
KERRI: Basically yes. And they release histamine, morphine and amphetamines, so they’re really
toxic, these parasites. Another thing, we got rid of these parasites in a lot of the
kids, they started growing. A lot of our kids have stunted growth and the thinking is that
the parasites are eating the growth hormone. So once you start to kill down the parasites
and the children start recovering, their feet grow, they get taller, they fill in, they
go through puberty. Lots of interesting things happen as well. It’s been very--a lot of
interesting observations that we’ve seen.
DAVE: Did you ever work with people like I guess, parents would be the most likely ones,
where you’re doing the same thing and even though they don’t have overt autism symptoms,
what changes in a parent if a parent drinks ocean water and on the full moon cycle and
yeah--either one or the other parts of the protocol. But what happens to neurotypical
people when they do all this stuff?
KERRI: A lot of my parents have autoimmune disorders because they have children with
autism, a lot of them have Lyme, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, hpyothyroids. A lot of them
come with some issues of their own. So a lot of them treat at the same time and a lot of
them lose the symptoms of the diagnosis that they had prior to treating with you know,
the diet, the chlorine dioxide, the ocean water and the parasite protocol. That’s
basically all the parents will do. They don’t do supplements or hyperbarics. But they’ll
usually do those first three steps and they get better from those things. So that’s
been an interesting observation as well.
DAVE: What about the people who take parasites to get rid of autism?
KERRI: There are different types of parasites. They’re not the same. Yeah. There are different
types.
DAVE: They’re a different type. Right. So how do you--are you doing any kind of analysis
of the things that come out to know what species and type they are? I wanna know.
KERRI: Well, labs don’t find them, you know, Dave. So the labs aren’t gonna help you
much. People, they always come saying “my kids don’t have parasites, here’s my labs”
and we say ya know “great, let’s just get started with this parasite protocol”
and all of a sudden all these worms are coming out and the parents are crying and saying
I can’t believe I didn’t know this! I can’t believe that they didn’t tell me
that my child had parasites! Ya know? How long could my child have stayed sick if I
hadn’t actually known this?
DAVE: I totally agree. Labs don’t find parasites a great amount of the time.
KERRI: Right, right.
DAVE: In alternative healing circles that’s pretty well known. But on the other hand,
if you have a bag of angel hair pasta looking stuff, anyone with a microscope ought to be
able to take a look at that and tell you what kind of worm it is, right?
KERRI: If they’re using microscopes, Dave. They’re not using microscopes. They’re
putting them through these machines and they’re just looking for certain things and they’re
not finding them. So I don’t know what’s going on with those machines.
DAVE: But in your clinic, you have access to basic USB microscopes. You don’t need
high power to be able to tell what kind of worms. Have you quantified or identified any
of the species that are coming out of these kids?
KERRI: Mostly what we’re having is we have specialist experts now, like for instance,
Dr. Alex Felinski out of South Florida University. He basically came across this rogue parasite
as well as this Dr. Gubrev out of Russia. And they’re kind of working together and
they’re checking to make sure but there’s a certain--so he’ll identify, I’ll send
him photos of those and they just look one after the other, they look the same. Dr. Andreas
Kalcker as well helps us with identification. Miriam Katerasco(sp) has also helped us. These
are people who are specialists in the parasite world. So that’s basically where the idea
has come from. And then of course you can go back. There’s books, actually, PDF files
some parents have started some different phase book groups and they have a lot of files and
books back into the early 1900s when we were more aware of parasites, but now we sort of
think that we’ve got domination over that and I think that we were missing it. This
is a big piece of a lot of--a great example, a lot of people are suffering from depression
right now in the US and parasites cause depression. So I have one mom who was suffering depression
so terribly, started the protocol with her son is like “oh my gosh, I feel so much
better! I can get up! I can get out! I can sleep through the night!” And just basically
only doing--she’s doing the diet, so she is doing step 1, 2 and 3, diet, ocean water,
chlorine dioxide and the parasite protocol.
DAVE: So this guy, Dr. Andreus Kalcker? Yes, so he’s a parasitologist--
KERRI: No, he’s actually not a parasitologist. That’s what he basically started focusing
in his doctorate is in, oh gosh, it’s biochemistry or--
DAVE: Okay.
KERRI: I don’t know, I’d have to look up what it is, but anyway, he gets really
into everything and this is something that he created a really great parasite protocol
that uses dye to make sure for chopping up the larva, castor oil for driving the parasites
out of the liver, the flukes, and then he uses mabendasol which is a nonsystemic over
the counter basically in other countries excerpt for the US. A drug, which is actually, it’s
supposedly quite good at getting rid of a certain type of cancer, and very very cheap,
it’s worth about 50 cents, that’s one of them. Rompe piedras which is an herb that
actually breaks up oxalates which the parasite is responsible for.
DAVE: So, it’s interesting you’re bring up oxalates. It seems like eating kale would
cause more oxalates than parasites.
KERRI: Most of the people that have had oxalates are loaded with parasites. And as you get
rid of the parasites, the oxalates come down. The oxalates are--the parasites are responsible
for the oxalates.
DAVE: Interesting. I do know that nutritional sources can be big contributors as well. Just,
you can detect that, but I can totally see oxalates being produced by parasites to keep
other parasites down as a defense mechanism. Now, in terms of just doing due diligence,
there’s Genesis Church too and you and Dr. Kalcker are involved in that. What’s the
roll of that? Why is there a church relationship with all of the things we’re doing here?
KERRI: Well Jim Humble created a church so that he wouldn’t be attacked for using chlorine
dioxide. That was to be a protection for him.
DAVE: And who’s Jim Humble? We haven’t talked about Jim yet.
KERRI: Jim Humble is the man who 17 years ago used--he worked as a miner in a South
American jungle. And so before he would go into the jungle, he would go into one of those
local camping supply stores and he would buy these two little bottles, that if you put
one with the other, you created chlorine dioxide and you were able to cleanse your drinking
water so you could basically take a pot of undrinkable water and make it drinkable. So
he’s there in South America and some of the guys on the team get malaria and so they’re
dying and they’re just doing terrible. And so he thought “well heck, this kills pathogens”
you know? “Here’s some drops for you” and he had no idea what he was doing, he just
gave them a bunch of drops and knew how much he was using per gallon, and about 4 hours
later these guys were laughing, talking about how bad they felt and how sick they were and
now they were fine. And then they started treating other guys in the neighboring towns
and villages and the same results were happening. The chlorine dioxide was killing the malaria
so the people were being healed from malaria within 4 to 6 hours.
DAVE: Okay. So, I’m familiar with Jim’s work because oh about fifteen years ago I
read about it and I tried some of the stuff, but I’ve tried just with everything I know
about. So I was like “Interesting, tastes like bleach.” So the drinking ocean water
is a new thing to me though. There’s definitely some cool stuff in ocean water. I think the
average person who hears all this is on one hand saying “well, if you have 108 kids
whose parents will stand up and say my kid doesn’t have autism, here’s all the diagnoses”
that’s cool, we don’t necessarily, it sounds like--have a great understanding of
where in the body these parasites were, other than maybe in the gut. We also don’t know
exactly what species they are and we’re assuming that they probably were creating
some compounds that were messing with the immune system. Is that kind of--
KERRI: And the parasites are only one part, like you pointed out. The bacteria is definitely
a factor. The candida is definitely a factor. There are heavy metals that are definitely
a factor. Chlorine dioxide will break the bond between like, methylmercury and ethylmercury
so that they’ll just become a composite that can actually be removed from the body
with the methylation cycle. So there are different things that chlorine dioxide is doing and
it’s not just the parasite, although we see the parasites coming out so it’s very
impactual and that becomes sort of the focus but it’s just a part of it.
DAVE: So do you think that people without huge health problems and autoimmunity are
walking around with a parasitic load that’s slowing their performance on a regular basis?
Like is this such an endemic problem that everyone should deworm themselves?
KERRI: 1 in 4 women in the US are taking antidepressant medication which probably means there are
more that aren’t taking them that probably could use them. And probably a good round,
maybe like, we do this year round so it’s every full moon for 12 months, probably would
help most of these people. There’s a lot of people that are suffering issues like this.
I actually had, after I did an interview with another person similar to what you’re doing,
I received a mail from the person who did the interview with me. It was a forward
of a listener and how he was so impacted, he was about to divorce his wife, he was so
depressed, he just didn’t care, and then he started realizing oh my gosh after he listened
to the interview that this was it. And he started to treat himself and now he’s in
love with his wife, and he’s really happy, but all these emotions that we have that are
caused by these parasites, I mean yeah of course we’re having them, but these parasites
are affecting our feelings. And so we’re just--we amplify things like I was saying
about road rage. About intolerance for the spouse. Or depression when you really have
anything necessarily to be depressed about. I mean there’s people that do, but still
at the same time, there’s a certain level of depression that kind of takes it over,
and a lot of them in there are--and especially if they’re around a full or new moon, I
would urge anybody to really take a look at their feelings around new and full moon or
their tummy, does it get bloated or all the other symptoms.
DAVE: There’s very little question in the healing community that I’ve worked with
that yeast and biofilms in the body have direct neurological things. So one of the first signs
that you might have say, toxin mold in your home, or a very severe yeast infection is
like horrible nightmares. Like why would you get dark nasty nightmares if you’re in a
room that’s full of mold spores? I have no idea. But there is a definite known connection
between the compounds made by yeast and bacterial biofilms.
And for people listening, if you haven’t heard of a biofilm, this is what happens when
you put some stress and or some chemicals around a fungus or bacteria or the combination
of the two in the body. And they end up self-organizing. They make defensive systems and they make
even like, almost the equivalent of organs. They can pump nutrients in and they can pump
out their waste products and this makes it very resistant to things like antibiotics
or antifungal medications. So using things like more traditionally EDTA to break down
a biofilm works very nicely and what we’re discussing today here is using this Chlorine
Dioxide in order to break those down. So there’s good science that says if you have a biofilm
and there’s questions about who has them and when and where, but if you break down
a biofilm and you actually have it, that it could have positive effects on your health.
The techniques you’re using are pretty far out there in the overall scheme of things,
but it sounds like you’re getting some good results with them. I mean if people wanna
learn more about parasites without necessarily being alarmists about them--I don’t want
anyone on the show today “oh my god, I might have a worm in my gut, that’s so disgusting!
I need to go out and pump myself full of--” And there’s a lot of really harsh chemicals
you can use in an attempt to rid yourself of something that labs don’t detect very
well, so you’ll never quite know if it’s gone. Like, you can go down the psycho route
looking for parasites. I know lots of people who’ve done that “Oh my god I might have
a parasite, I can’t do anything!” Where do we get sound, sane, but realistic and eyes
open parasite advice?
KERRI: There’s only a few doctors that I know of in the US that are practicing techniques
to get rid of parasites. One of them is Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt. He’s up in Washington
State. There’s Dr. Simon Yu who’s in St. Louis Missouri and there’s a Dr. Schwartz
and I believe he’s in Pennsylvania. But I don’t know many other people that are
actually actively realizing that this is a problem. And these are people who treat Lyme,
Cancer, I mean they don’t necessarily treat autism. I know that they’ve all seen autism
patients and I believe that they all treat autism, but they usually treat a wide range
of autoimmune disorders as well.
DAVE: I once shared a hotel room with Dr. Klinghardt at the American Academy of AntiAging
medicine. I’ve been to his mercury seminars and he actually does a lot to defeat autism.
Now it’s called Thrive. So he’s into the mercury connection and the weird thing for
people listening, and this gets into more of like, the pathological stuff versus human
performance but, the thing is if you have mercury, which if you eat a lot of fish or
basically you’re alive, you tend to get exposed to it because there’s a lot of environmental
mercury that didn’t use to be out there. As this stuff accumulates, your body’s like
I can keep the mercury in the brain or in the liver where it does the most damage, or
I can allow fungus to form and I can put this stuff into fat cells so I can allow fat cells
to grow and hold mercury and you can biopsy the mercury or biopsy the fat cells and find
the mercury, or yeast will hold on to mercury very well.
So the body in an attempt to keep from poisoning itself will allow mercury to go into things
that are also bad for you. So mercury’s a foundational thing in making yeast and parasites
worse. So you get this weird like, toxins when I talk about detoxing and toxins. This
is one of those reasons. One toxin affects pathogens. Things that grow on the body that
you don’t want. So, we just talked about some pretty unusual techniques: drinking ocean
water and chlorine dioxide which comes from mixing citric acid and chlorine.
KERRI: Sodium Chloride. Use sodium chloride and an acid. It can be beat any acid.
DAVE: Okay cool. So you mix these things up like, okay this is one of the many treatment
approaches there, but I would just say that it’s entirely possible if you have some
unusual symptoms that parasites can be involved. I don’t think they’re always involved,
and it may just be a fungal thing, it may just be a bacterial thing or it may be all
three and it may have a metal involved. But if you’re dealing with heavy duty stuff,
that’s something to know about. But if you’re also just a super high performance person,
and you wanna stay that way, not exposing yourself to lots of mercury and lots of parasites
and eating in such a way that you’re less likely to get a fungal infection might keep
you at your high performance level for longer. Any kind of final comments or bits of advice
for people?
KERRI: What I think is interesting too, I was just thinking when you were talking about
this and it was sort of starting mainstream and that’s exciting because Dr. Oz, I’m
not very familiar with him, but somebody sent me a video with his show he did within the
last I think, two months, on parasites and it was so interesting because it went through
all kinds of symptoms that are effecting us on a daily basis. So if maybe your listeners
are interested in parasites and they don’t mind the mainstream, I think Dr. Oz would
be a good video and I think he’s on YouTube. I think somebody posted it on YouTube. So
just look up Dr. Oz Parasites and I just read recently it’s very fascinating. And he just
went through everything from headaches, I mean you name it. I mean definitely. You start
to think “Geez I might have some parasites.”
DAVE: One of the things that’s interesting is I was a raw vegan for a while and actually
got worse. The number of raw vegetables that you eat there, and funny, raw vegetables typically
carry parasite eggs, right? So that the raw vegan community often says oh no, only meat
has parasites, you have to have meat to have parasites, but there’s more parasites that
come from eating raw vegetables than there are from eating meat. And they’re different
kinds of parasites.
KERRI: The larva! The larva is very hard to kill. Larva you have to put boiling water,
really hot scolding hot water on it to kill the larva or you need to use the 90 proof
alcohol, so it’s actually really difficult and of course you don’t take your lettuce
and dip it into scalding water if you want a nice, fresh, water and you’re not gonna
pour alcohol on your lettuce either, so it’s a tough thing to know how to kill larva. I
actually think it’s quite complicated.
DAVE: It certainly is. And so, I’ve used an iodine soak, but the bottom line is if
you are consuming vegetables in an effort to avoid parasites, it’s a feudal effort
unless you’re cooking the vegetables first which works just as well as cooking meat.
Alright, there’s a final question that I’ve asked every guest on the show. And one that
I’d love to get your input on. Given your whole life experience, not just as a homeopath
or working with autistic kids, but everything you’ve learned, what are the three most
important things that you recommend for people who want to perform better? So if you wanted
to kick more ***, you’re talking to someone and you wanna download those three things,
what are the three things you’d recommend people understand?
KERRI: I think the most important thing, no matter what you do in life, is do it 100%.
I think that, you know, if you do 90% or 99%, you’re still gonna end up the same way.
You’re not gonna get where you’re going. So decide you’re gonna do it and go ahead
and go do it. And give yourself a period of time. I used to run marathons and I know that
I used to tell myself “okay, you feel like you can’t go on, but okay just the next
water stop or just the next water stop” and you kind of play with your brain, but
it’s the same thing whether we’re healing ourselves, we’re healing our children or
we’ve gone out to actually play a game. I think that’s really important to give
100% of yourself.
DAVE: Awesome. So that was one. What are the other 2?
KERRI: Yeah! The other thing is set yourself up for success. Prepare. Like with my families
I tell them, “okay look. Now you know what’s going on. You need to go start the diet. You
gotta go home, you know your house is full of gluten and casein, you’ve got wheat and
dairy and all sorts of junk you need to get rid of. So go home, eat it all up, and the
next time you go to the grocery store, buy all the stuff that you can have so when your
child comes to you and your child is hungry and wanting to have the sandwich or the milk
or the cheese, that they can’t have anymore, you have something to offer them that is free
of gluten in casein and yet they like it as well. So that’s another really important
thing for setting yourself up for success.
And the other one is, we need to do our homework. I think that no matter what it is, for instance,
if you just go into the FDA and they say “Ah, there’s chlorine dioxides, bleach” whatever,
but do the homework on both sides. And I think that that’s an important thing for anybody
considering any type of treatment or doing any kind of thing, you should always choose
sides and you need to educate yourself so it’s not like--I don’t like people to
come to me and say “Oh well you told me and I trust you.” Don’t trust anybody.
Get the information, educate yourself and then when you say “Oh no! I wanna do this
protocol because I’ve done the homework” and then both spouses--everybody’s done
the homework. Everybody believes in what they’re about to do. And then they can embark on a
mission that’s gonna be successful. They’re gonna have a successful journey. But if it’s
just “Oh well, the FDA website said it” And then they throw it out the window or “Oh
Kerri said it”, you can always be derailed from your decisions and I think that’s one
of the most important things that we absolutely know with certainty what we’re about to
do.
DAVE: That makes really good sense. We’ve got kind of knowledge, preparation and commitment.
KERRI: Sure!
DAVE: Would be the three things there. I appreciate that, Kerri, and I appreciate you being willing
to do anything and everything and go out on a limb for your own kids. There’s nothing
like a necessity to be the mother of invention. And you know, having progress and seeing your
own kids get healthier is kind of a magic thing in being able to help others is also
magic.
KERRI: Thank you.
DAVE: So you’ve definitely--We’ve talked vortexes, full moons, parasites and some pretty
out there stuff. But if you’re getting results and it’s working, working for you and there
are communities of people who are trying it, and trying it safely and not putting themselves
or others in danger--
KERRI: Absolutely. We take the sickest children and they heal. So we have the hundred neighbor
coverage and we have many more children that are well on their way to recovery and they’re
healing along the way so you know, children that had seizure disorder no longer having
seizures, things like that. But yet they still have the autism diagnosis. But little by little,
we’re healing many people all over the globe and thank God you know, everyone is just doing
better. It’s not like they’re getting worse or some are falling off, they’re doing
well.
DAVE: Well, I’ll do some more research into this ocean water thing. That’s not something
I’m familiar with, and usually I know about this stuff. So thank you very much for being
on the show today and for talking about your work.
KERRI: Thank you for having me, Dave.
DAVE: You’re welcome. Have a great day.
KERRI: You do the same. Thank you. ?
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