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joining me is former navy chaplain gordon cling internet you can find out
more about him at pray in jesus name dot or it he also has a youtube channel now
a kaplan you know we've talked over the years number of times usually it
specifically about one issue or another often marriage equality i wanted step
back from that conversation a little bit if we can and speak a little more
broadly about we now see what seems to be a very clear tied in the u_s_ which
sees
more than fifty percent favorability for marriage equality for the first time
uh... close to sixty percent of americans believe abortion should be
legal in women should have a right to choose what medical procedures make
sense for them
twenty eight percent of states
have decriminalizing marijuana and that clearly is going in a very specific
direction
do you demand if you don't agree with this direction do you recognize that
this is what is happening in the united states
yes and no i i think
there is a polarization that's happening in america
but i don't think the church is becoming
uh... any less
uh...
conservative on these issues in fact i think it's the opposite i think the
church is becoming more conservative on these issues
specifically when it comes to homosexual marriage for example
uh... i don't know what bowling you're going from but
the right one
well right right
the the recent polling that i've seen
shows that sixty percent of americans still believe that marriage
is the way that jesus he find it is only valid between
one man and one woman's cannot stop their chaplain because i don't want to
get off-track you're right that the church is uh...
remaining conservative
but the problem is that we're not more polarized were less and that more and
more people are on one side of the issue what used to be
forty four d twenty percent idon't know splits are now all over fifty percent in
the direction of social progressivism
well i disagree with that if you look at the polling specifically when they ask
the question of the wrong way
they end up with your result that you just want to for example with a_b_c_
news just in the washington post asked the question to the american public
fifty eight percent of americans believe
that homosexual marriage should not be made illegal
will win the estimate lady wanted something illegal
that's a that as a bias in the question because they're asking if they wanna
band some
you know right as it has a right but would ask in a different way
do you believe very deeply within twenty one and one woman
sixty percent of americans a yes i agree with you described in that matches
that seventy five percent americans to stop identify as christian because jesus
did specifically unhappy nineteen define marriage is only dole between one man
and one woman point seventy five percent of americans and their christian but
only sixty percent of americans agree with you that be really only a fifteen
percent of the older hypocrites mistake i think the key to the school but i
don't agree with how he defined marriage well okay but didn't so that's not focus
on that specific paul i think it would be
uh... disingenuous to just say that because that one poll isn't worded the
way you like we don't have this shifting tides let me let me pick a different
approach by me
we had a long period of time
where this kind of religious social conservatism was not a part of
the human species and and and really it's the majority of the time
that if you agree with science on how long humans have been around
the majority of time humans have been around then we had this period which
uh... we're still kind of in the middle of now where we've had this religious
social conservatism
but we seem to be coming out of that now so my question is
doesn't the fact that
the social conservative one of you has never really ended up been the being the
eventual results of society doesn't that tell us something when social
conservatism really lasted historically speaking
the reason marriage has been
between one and one woman or at least six thousand years of human history
enemy now the last five minutes of human history
we're getting confused about that topic but that's the thing if you believe
we've only been around six thousand years you might say that but
you know chaplain that that's not the reality so it's not the last five
minutes if the overwhelming majority
six thousand years is nothing in terms of human history
well okay
anders anderson
differentiation between
i'm talking about recorded human history we don't have
many history books dating back over the six thousand years
if you just read any biology textbook
it said it certainly has not changed in six thousand years it has not been a
change in the next hundred years
when you look at biology
it breeze with jesus christ in nineteen ninety he said
yet have heard from the beginning god made the male and female what they
become one flesh and what god has joined together let not men put asunder about
when jesus talks about one flash he's really being a scientist
he's being a biologist because he realizes that he's articulating
simple biology
that when a *** and uh... eqca form together will not be matching his ido in
a new d_n_a_ is formatted becomes one new human flesh but chaplain chaplain
hold on we're getting soft rock you chaplain
first of all
were not focusing on this issue but even if we look at the bible the bible talks
about polygamy merengue your brother sister i mean if we're gonna look at
biblical marriage you can just focus on that but i don't want to do that i'm
trying to have a conversation with you about
is it not clear we're going in a specific direction and you seem to want
to talk about this i go to sound like rick santorum chapel
uh...
one you have to specific question why does then why things changed in the last
but it's a human history and i'm saying it's only because we're not
reading our biology textbooks it's simply written by jesus as you say jesus
was a biologist
well eat defines marriage between one man and one of one of becoming one
cite note becoming one flesh and that's the only way in the next under tears
that humans are going to be able to procreate
if you get to men together
in a mate
they're not going to have a baby if you get to to get three women and it all
together and they all day together
they're not going to have a great the only way to have while
but child is to have
one man and one woman
who form a baby thats
cellular unknown you're smart enough to know
that whether or not
but you're smart enough to know that whether or not gay marriage is legal in
modern society it doesn't change the number of people that are gay in other
words whether there is a risen gay marriage to gay men are not going to
create a child that's always been the history of this of humans and we'd still
being able to continue as a species it seems like a completely distraction of
an argument
well the only way they can
continued to propagate
brigades tissues as you put it is to recruit
the children of heterosexuals
so every child was born on the pace of your today is the products
as firm
an egg which means they have
at least unveiling a female parrots
so when you say chaplin the gays species what does that mean have not heard that
term before
i'm sorry responding you you said something about species but
nine-and-a-half human species the human species whether you're gay or straight
we're all human species that's all i know
or absolutely don't begin to see she's lois p
propagated by one and one moment
but the fact that we have homosexuals today is to simply uh... uh...
demonstration that is formally possible to become homosexual by being recruited
belly button happened is that this is silly and this is not gonna resonate
with our audience i really want and i'm disappointed because
i wanted to have more of a broader conversation about the direction of
society
and you're calling jesus a biologist and comparing gay marriage to a bluetooth a
woman marrying a dog which which it's is offensive in crazy
okay well let me get back to the original question you asked us let's do
that
what was happening more broadly in society and i wrote about this in my
book in nineteen ninety nine a published license to send you can find it fabiano
outdated i've prepared the on amazon somewhere ok but said that in the future
and i predicted this more than uh... twelve years ago
that america would become more polarized
that the church would become more holy but is not more polarized it's more
unified behind social progressivism we have a blessed disagreement not more
that's the problem
no i i think that the world is becoming more simple as that i would be fine that
and i think
there is this
there's less people in the middle who were confused about the subject more
people
the social marriage should be defined between one and one woman
uh... thirty legacy still have it in there
in their constitution or into a moderate i think forty states now have sets
whatever it is to be legal so that means nothing
kaplan you're making some interesting argument i wish we could have agreed
more
on the premises to have a more productive discussion about the effects
but we weren't able to do that but that's okay
pray in jesus name dot or it is the website we've of course been speaking
with former navy chaplain gordon cling internet
he also has the praying jesus name show on youtube how can people find that
happen
youtube dot com slash
chaplain gates or you can just type in flemish middle show on youtube very good
chaplain as always i thank you for being on the show
becky daly got what you use the same