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ginger recall will tell you about ginger call is the staff counsel for the
electronic privacy information center aptech ecpi icy their website epic dot
org
and to their twitter is at epic privacy
ginger welcome to the program
thank you very much granite counter
so what is this the signal she's resources
there were talking about here is a patent that with uncovered god and
basically what it does is that an application for the iphone
and bit would automatically shut off the camera if the camera with being use in
proximity to certain incorrect centers hanif infrared ir and pretend letters
rather the transmitter to be played
in a particular location a large event what they're proposing is a concert near
the gauge and when the cameras turned on and pointed toward the kitchen for a
transmitter span
the it would automatically shut down the camera function on the phone see you
basically camp bootlegs your finger bob dylan concert
that everyone implication of the technology etc but there are other
implications as well
an end to end the other implications of the things that really concern me
what happens if they start putting these infrared transmitters on top of all the
police cars what of police officers in fact where small versions of them on
their shoulders will no longer see anymore rodney king videos will no
longer see any videos of police brutality what if the r_n_c_ with their
meat
ninja turtles they either the local police are wearing these things may shut
down all the cameras what is
china or syria these regina ceremonies infrared transmitters on their tanks
what if members of congress decide that they don't want to win the embarrassed
anymore they're town hall meetings
and they put these infrared transmitters up on their on their lectern so that
every cell phone in the in the in the in the building
you know within within visible range they can no longer take a picture
but you know we know more macaca moments exactly and there are a lot of
very anti demography and a m tentative internal at them
implications of this and one of the case that i've been thinking about a lot if
the youth of these sort of devices that protest
not just protect the public to protect that we've been seeing in the middle
east the protests here in the united states as well
and the way that that which it's really shut down the opportunity for for
overstated and for public comment on government actions and for protest in
free expression
how far along is this
that hadn't heard that i'd covered there's nowhere dot apple haven't been
commenting on whether or not they're actually going to implemented technology
but
emitted very important that you just push back again that because amateur
video
have been shown to be very important to maintaining a vibrant democracy in
creating government accountability
wpm and in video taken a violent against protesters in middle east peace
demonstrations as well as video taken here in the u_s_
spend an
even though apple has filed a patent
that doesn't mean that is not going to show up in a motorola phone or some
other phone who simply pays a small licensing fee apple for the right to put
it in their phone
it after that that sort of technology could also be accuweather com
but it's important right now for you just to push back against the apple
haven't announced it they're going to be giving a yet simply a patent
you could convey we don't want the technology that could not acceptable
state which are mentioned mccall she is with the uh...
shes staff counsel to the electronic privacy information center
epic dot org
how exactly
do we push back
and notify the company who create grouped online you personal networking
told the other thing way that you would push back against any private
infringement by company
public life the fact that the going on but that's what you and i are doing
right now do you know of any websites
than ethics dot words that are talking about this how you know i didn't have a
camp kit taken much there came out that they could find several articles online
reporting that happens
and i think that's going to generate thoughts about yeah infected my funny
one of those as what want us to u anemia that's that but this is this is that
this is a big deal on
he returned
i am as that
i was so nice to have to cancel if you would pretty much have to be
arthur legal issues around
since this
you know from
you know basic
i'm not a lawyer but basically who did the basic tourism would be a tort the
there that you know you bought a product is not what you think it is you think
you can use it as a camera terms that you can't
to the larger constitutional issues of did the right of expression free speech
room
or the inverse of that the ability uh... to view things and share them with
others you know for example like the rodney king kind of thing will be
difficult ko ek if you're talking about apple but the point of technology will
be difficult to really take any kind of competition talent print on them because
they are private actor
you know if you're listening to government actor that constitutional
right may apply
it would be a very sticky question whether or not but uh... and
entrenchment this something that would be very court but the pic
still not sure that idea any private beach court that was applied here
arm
not necessarily
but there is the question if if you have a phone and they're going to be applying
pit retroactively that could be problematic because you baap if they are
expected to have a third functionality and ben theater in fact turn the
functionality off but the terms of use some say they can be treated anytime
simply by letting you know or you agreed to its next time you download a and
updating the software on your earphone assisted suicide
agri dancing or twelve pages of bold type legalese
religious clicks agri nobody reads it that it could pay for the problem with
the camera protection and they are my contact with almost all of the qualities
included area that the criminal offense which incidentally time
so so really the only way to stop this
is is to is to say that the company's they have ok fine you got a patent that
uh... don't don't put this in my phone because if you do i'm going someplace
else camp extradited your rights at account humor
they down but with your pocketbook
the i will not buy the product that this is what you're going to do with it we
thought a lot of pushback again appletv
tracking that with the governor earlier this year
and you know the company if there's not much back they will respond but it's
important not underestimate the importance
of of their freedom of expression pit is at stake here
when they talk about it they talk about that have been up and that's going to
just protecting
you know i did *** and revenue coming from concerts but that's not the
implication that we're going to be being on down the line technology if it if it
put in place in the account mark my words it will be used
by the police diet oppressive government regime to try to shutdown people freedom
of expression
and leave the videos that can convert journal journalism i picked it up in
journalism and very important and we can example pathetic one example of dot net
up apple com the iranian protester who was shot by the government militia
and that really would
an important point and that's protected allowed the outside world would be what
was going on in the kind of oppression that that government would protect long
experience in asia who in who
softened and care right here in the universe maryland acrobat victory there
was a student who would be very badly by the public
and
the police claimed that she hadn't had started the conflict either felt at the
police
cellphone video taken by another student show that that would not be treated with
the police could start of the incident the police could start at the white one
right but if these police officers as as a little
almost invisible
peace incorporated into the microphone clicked on their shoulders had an
infrared transmitter that shutdown cell phones in the region whenever was seen
as we had to pay them especially that that that was reported by several media
outlet university surveillance footage of this incident apparently disappeared
the in part because of the have an intermediate and for the time
journalism you know this is it's it's like a nice area is it's is so much of
our technology you know these are the rotors
devices that can be used for deep packet inspection things that that might have
commercial application the united states are being used by other countries as
measures of as tools of oppression entire this the certainly could as well
ginger mccall staff counsel really try privacy information center more
information get over the epic dot org ups the better *** ginger thank you for
the explanation thank you very much
great speaking with the
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