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uh... wilbur kennedy junior welcome to the program bobby
lampert haven't been
uh... so uh... yesterday you were out in front of the white house with
forty you five forty eight other people who
ruled ended up getting arrested tell us a why you got arrested yesterday about
me
this the will hurt but i think the
accel require demonstrating was u
the portfolio
will be president obama and john kerry decisions who uh...
still derail
the excel pipeline
according to jim pantaloon
food bachelors
for pop climatologists israel
wait a few if it is constructed will be quote game over tranquil
or acquired
worst obliterates and
into project is a giant boondoggle
that will rich a handful of billionaires
uh... oil company
or oil service companies said
oil refining company
including the pope brothers weren't
to the major
david charles kuralt could pager find answers
with this project
and packers and worries on this project while impoverishing
restive bennett
threatening future some civilization birthing wife notion
uh... it's really
in my view a criminal enterprise
nikon thereof
they're stealing things it belonged to that christine here spewing the water
they're still in the life of the old city of hamburg puget sound keeper
as reported that for seven years they haven't been able to
cultivate or easterners puget sound because of the portions of the case
weird we are
the carbon inherent out all the right thing levels but it's also certified
election
so that the organisms that live in the ocean quarrels plans to buy valves than
in the end of the shellfish of and a lot of to apply the told him
skeleton potentially or exon's bill
will no longer be able to
all-black scalping of out of the water column
and won't be able to create shelter skillet else and this is not something
that's happening alfred munitions aliveness happening today
and it's happening because uh... way wood-burning carbon empty
are spared his beloved albert are about to destroying one of the great wildly
considered swept the world
beloved alberta
but they if we actually bread-and-butter it may have as much oil up their and i
was
saudi arabia
the entire saudi arabia oil fields from the beginning of of their history
uh... and each barrel of oil
gives me time to get out of carbon
azevedo claudio
so it's really if if they're allowed it and given the eight
eight date
caldas
to the world community
there will be no stopping them
and they will burn every bit of that and
you will or children
will have a world that is extraordinarily impoverished she's so
this is a
project now i don't like doing civil disobedience into their own
prison in two thousand one
for civil disobedience rico with summer two thousand on
but other options the clerk maturity
unconfirmed cases i would prefer to be at court
in cases where democracy is fail were art substance abuse bird
an here
the only recourse lawyers citizens who
hillsborough responsibility teach generations worked and before of our
planet
civil disobedience
and we in some cases i can't believe that we not only have a right deals with
the community
it please
nibbled
a new york
democracy in our jobs and has been uh... undermined
oil companies
which about a hundred
billion dollars profit
would like to talk about the condition of the richest corporations his shoes
and kind that's already is a nice profit
and removing a large amount of props bottle too
our nation's capital
they contentious servant about congressman uh... unequivocal officials
if the laws rigged the system
there are two people
camp which is a statement that this is a key we had
deciding about sample of the white house is rented
we had a lot of the brassica farmers
who wanted to stop this pipeline go into the field but
they have no property
the pipeline companies have reading the system
so that they don't need to have to ask that
they can just put a right to your property and it doesn't matter what it
does the value of the property
the as a good example
the biggest that out of the biggest impediment
to with good smaller
which are cheaper
than oil and gas
much cheaper aquatic latest reports out of texas
the biggest players but we don't have a lecture transmissions
window boards will rebuild those new election transmission systems but we
don't have the power of the oil companies have
belapur
local regulations and local property
and as a result of that terrible over the what kind of taxpayers
if you wouldn't six hundred miles of electric transmission systems built this
country
all apparent during this time period
there's been over ten thousand miles
of gas pipeline
and that illustrate
the expense which that spirit of artbox taylor park aptly
of localities individuals to participate the political process
challenge their plants for our country
you know you mention the fact that there was a wide array of of activists and
uh... protesters uh... who were arrested yesterday you mentioned
that uh... ranchers of from the midwest and other sli uh...
uh...
folks who had
and as you're explaining varela property taken by immigration jacket at the
graduation tackling the reformers would well if they were catholic priest there
were a group of that were a number of urgently denomination with him
alluded to a nomination was was represented a on lady uh... and troubled
cooler of white house friendly uh... i wouldn't have a good julian bond one of
the iconic figures in civil rights movement
so everybody recognizes that all these issues are all too but we haven't com
that were right on the their at people to marketing to each other and are and
in a majority of localities weird at the proprietorship of of people and
ownership of property ownership of the country
that's why i wanted to sort of the highlight is that you have uh... you
know you've written extensively
about uh... the concept of the commons and what we're seeing here it is
uh... in you describe it as a is a criminal syndicate
what we're seeing is essentially
ol uh... certain entities uh... oil companies profits
basically making their profits up off of costs that are blah are are spread to
the rest of us i mean this is
this is not adding the parallels between what we see with um... the the financial
crisis where profit was uh... taken for a private hands and then the costs in
the risk war ended up socialize because we ended up back stopping them this is
what happens every day
when we talk about burning these fossil fuels is that uh... the externalities
and the costs are born
by all of us and in this instance also our future generations because of what
is doing to the planet talk a little bit more about the sort of that aspect of
this
but of course is the d
the overriding issue here is that'd that it is eight threat to our civilization
abut the dynamic in which uh... this thread is taking place is really driven
by the same forces
that um... we are fighting against on a daily basis in terms of corporations
imposing their costs
all of us and not pricing in those costs into uh... they're their profit making
machines
well website absolutely right not to my you know anyone like inadmissible
warrantless knelt in front of me and i'm the bankers behind implementation feared
the bankers more
because the he understood that these
way to go operations of of corporate power private
however havoc with the power
with the biggest threat to democracy
agrees with that name
fortunately the become a futile too talkative at are ancestors
our european and finances fled europe
too
how do you know duplicates risking absolutely no on their own property his
paper of government and covered themselves
and now we're returning to his hypocrisy of the of the the clock puppets for the
plutocrats for the republican party they should be called the replica crap
uh... because that's where they're taking us adn
working on a today they believe in the free-market capitalism but akshay
what they're really getting into the kind of corporate quality capitals but
the truth free market
baby
actors were marketplace would have to
pay
all the cost of bringing their products to market
what do you want to live mystery and the other carbon cronies too
all of these the incumbent in our energy system including the bouquet she will
call cast though
is
they cannot compete
on a level playing field
with win personal and it's not just these saying that he could people like
david craig who's the head
c_e_o_ of energy which is the biggest energy producer in america
he'd energy runs
new plans call players will play out of gas plant
poet david crane wrote the book
new york times recently op ed with they invented
over twenty three people
it's cheaper to cheapest
way for him to get electrocuted customers inspired by investments work
the taxes art energy association recently last week
news to report the tail wind even it with with gabinete
record lows
the wind is actually cheaper
that gap until we know we compete dot the only way that they're able to be a
touch is
because of which
huge subsidies that day argument every year operate directly dot t_ hundreds of
billions of dollars
of direct observation the federal government but all of these indirection
up to the people you talk about that we also call extra ality
the fact that
uh... every freshwater fish in america is belk cabinet with mercury because
coal-burning power
after imposes costs on the american people
also on a particular from call and oil
uh... wording
cause almost half only trillion dollars
in health care costs to the american people every year we could pay
probably care thirty times over
you played by eliminating are reliant on call
at all
fund the entire energy company in the year
by doing that
and that is not even talking about the other causes benny many other costs
including
and p
oil spill in the gulf that
oil spilled out these be of that
billions of oil spill has occurred every year who is now waters www starfish was
not children then he'd polygram dialing called because
uh... escalations and cancer a cucumber war zone
the or
uh... allowed to be out of the base of the car war in iraq which has been a
loyal or
and you know although
bush in cheney who were both oil man
tried to conduct the cabinet is that an oil war
it grew out of
deep into the justification for the war was going to come
wednesday it was violating
u_n_ directions
he agreed to following the first gulf war and dream of
first off work if you go back
president but for the president bush was
very very direct and frank and clear
the american people and he called it the bush doctrine
that we have a right
to go abroad if you know the american people that time were saying why are we
going
two babies to get the war to protect one dictator in order to be an air of
kuwait
from another dictator
plumbers northern iraq why do we care what these dictators to each other while
we waited in american lives and treasure and and blooded equipment
and he said the reason is because
oil is a vital
middle eastern oil is a fatal american response
admit the bush doctrine was that
but we have the american people of american military
padding-right
the code of
foreign countries kind of battle it out for a response
orinda robert met
because although happened to be
i had put it
under
you know please
that eastern countries and we had a right to go protect it
so it was clearly audible
yeah and aurora and and and so the the enormous amount of cost that our society
is bearing
and this is not even to to mention essentially insensitivity l_a_ came out
today in said that um...
that climate change now poses one of the most serious risks to the american
economy
hi into our government's finances because we're not identified with the on
prag
but guide from c_n_n_ yesterday
without me just before i got a rep
but you know largo harmonies
or image
click o'clock coddling you know and i think that what you know what's causing
millions of environment
fugees
an animated ten million a year already needed
eve recorders rallied who will be made by barbara refugee i you know one what
do we care about these foreigners like the world's bob jones you know people
it's not just africans moves lose consciousness turn into bed and it's not
just uh... and colleagues whose
whose patient is being
is being buried or
for people to leave the island nations were being inundated by waters will
enhance it's been a
you know it's people atm
in uh...
far rockaway
which i did it after shabby interval three weeks after severity
who were still homeless are living in
you know bowl to confess spirit hostels
with bulky
and bioenergy having to burn their stocks
keep their asthmatic children won't harm advice adnan abu all of us know what
happened
after katrina what a hundreds of thousands of
environmental refugees were forced out of below and these kind of storms
harddrive why record wildfires record floods graph record stores records
snowfall at record ralphs
are driving people
and barbara refugees not gentle and other parts of the world's but right
here and there
and there are hundreds of thousands
yes got we shouldn't we should be worried about uh... those people around
the the the with the globe
uh... magazine i would uh... least there was there was something to satisfy at
the c_n_n_
uh... reporter in terms of domestic lapham we discard guard guard ominous
paid more than eighty billion dollars on disaster relief since twelve two
thousand four
the number disaster declarations hitting a record and uh... in twenty eleven with
ninety eight
and uh... there
there still seems to be this huge disconnect
now let's talk specifically about the politics of this president obama you
start up a same president obama
and secretary of state uh... carey
without really any i mean the
the quality of this is fairly monday in that they simply do not have to his shoe
they simply reject the permit
for this uh... pipeline to cross the border
uh... give me your sense of when you think that decision um... will be made
one way or another and uh... gimme ur sensitive if you have one of where this
decision is going to head amin particularly in light what do you know
what you were supposed to be made artwork in the next couple rediculous
that originally they take note that there was no evidence that there would
be a good decision within the next couple of weeks
many of the almonds were bad ones that you know the uh...
uh... statements that
uh... senator kerry or
secretary of the most records are getting better people
carrier optimism baba made about the importance of our friendship with canada
reference point this pipeline cambodia uh... papers by that
governor of nebraska and others like we're ready to roll available
i would like a governs but i don't believe that this pipeline is going to
be a couple of i'd leave that
boat john john kerry huard michael very well com who has a team
uh... walls doctor who loves the oceans of love the waterways and two
so as much as anything better
acrobat in our history for perhaps a al gore
uh... are understood that conducted
they catastrophic
future
epitomizes critics for
if we continue to burn carbon the way that we are pop and i'd like that
this this pipeline cordage catholics came over to the carpet
uh... and i think unabomber has feet deep moral center and he and i had
global warming really concerned
he understands that and
uh... i don't think we're on a manual despite
he gave it
crap about it
identical bata dungi
that he wanted to talk about it even if his first term if you can't tell you
what are we going to do about this what would you do about global warming and he
was has been
by robin but ideally given by other people with a cabinet
we've just
those lilac want to get that at patent document that he he really was concerned
about that but i think he understands that we have a responsibility each
generation uh... type of person who would
that reward collect the and
the oil companies repellent
so i think you know
reliefweb
you know it but i know it
called brothers did everything they could to destroy him the oil industry
kids ninety percent of its revenues to the
of republican party
coldplay or
you know they're like the n_r_a_ except that they've got a hundred billion
dollars a year instead of just the one billion
uh... to give away these guys ever heard attn
they're giving it all against obama maintenance second-term manohar if i
were him i'd just be setup
beleaguered bidding
and i would start setting up 'til i think that don't just even politically
executing l
we're going to go a different direction the country and we how we love you in
canada i don't see
you are are
closest allies are best neighbors spot but
you know we don't want you to hurt yourself
act by making out your economy dependent on boeing pointing to the rest of the
world
and we should say it was but attic now back to her chill
from which i thought albert has a lot of ways to generate energy i spend a lot of
talk alberta
that got very good we have been
and excellence solar
and uh... and a you know they ought to be exported matt about destroying the
tiger
employees and their water kitchenette we should say that had that the reports
that we've heard
urging in terms of well if we don't build this pipeline through this country
if we do not allow this uh...
this he uh... is really not even accurate to call it a little as much as
the sort of uh... this uh... viscous material to travel through our country
to pay tablets
consistency ayam
ironically hockey puck
and that you know they have done
after superheated in order to get it
into a local form so that they can put it into apart by the american people
play tryin
super hot for two thousand miles in a spirit you know if he goes out on it it
will turn into a two thousand mile long candlestick
and that they love that we won't be able to do anything clinton
and it's extremely offended etc
and you know it burns through these pipeline burned through
one of the first pipeline that they put a proper yellowstone river *** quickly
burn from that pipeline
uh... and polluted thirty miles of the killed efficient
thirty miles but those are whoever
which again is quite conic river our country
and and and point being though that there's been with one of the arguments
that we've heard is that if we don't get it we don't have the through this
country
uh... to be refined in the gulf coast and then of course shipped uh...
shipped out from there they're just going to do it on their own coast but
uh... it's not so uh... simple right i mean there's uh... my understanding is
that there are
are there is a huge
uh... hw
uh... opposition to transporting this stuff a
through uh... canada to their west coast and country club
and and it would have to go over at the rocky mountain
uh... which is
a daunting
uh... trip
you know i i just came back from their canadian route rockies interact with was
i was on that divide twenty climbing over the divide between uh...
easily at alberta and
you know that's a very difficult
but very difficult place to build a pipeline and then
it it's going to end up
a uh... the entire coast divers columbia are
are critical salmon fisheries
and innovative adn british columbia is a tourist destination it doesn't make
money
loyal
it makes money from
tourism in a lot of that lenders islamic controlled by first
ish into art
traditionally other women
people
they call themselves the people of this man of many of those uh...
that close
trial
group certain first nations
and bottle more appeal
there
in in their watershed
they don't want to ul tankers tweaking they don't want leaks from the plate
they don't want the construction of the pipe don't want trucks
and they don't want to get out at a belief that are below deck
permanently
it sure they're coming out of the way that they aren't permanently which will
be handled all the bell bs they're still of seven there's a lot of akak
and that the fishes up there have not recovered they still have
high levels of benzine paulina battling other contaminants
and error um... high levels up there
out very bursary h young art deformed
and i'm talking and you know
forty fifty percent interest dot of them
and uh...
arun you know many of the eggs are simply in auckland
on uh... unbiased
they don't people know this
n_b_c_ and they don't want it
and you-know-who our job is we can't control what they do indeed believe that
we can control we do here
and and and and the fact well but we ought to start building when the title
of at building transmission into the pipeline
these first technicians people's days did they have that really far more a
political cover in many respects uh... in canada relative to
uh... uh... the through sadly our own citizens do in this country
uh... and they were right it may have a lot harder event here
and into sleslie
we choose to dress for the a brief moment
this myth that somehow we're going to see allot of us jobs
coming from this pipeline um... my understanding is that once you build the
pipeline which a lot of it has been built in this country anyways
uh... but once you build it it's not gonna take many people to make sure
they're gonna fly a helicopter up and down this pipeline and check their
senses now we're not talking about a lot of jajce you know i don't remember
exactly but state department bloody
said it would be something like a hundred
buddy jobs
something like that
the very few jobs one hundred entirely back number but i i'm i'm quite sure it
wasn't in a bowl of two hundred
yeah i mean i think when you get that lower almost it uh... it's it's it's
irrelevant amount to say this is not uh... the the job maker that people
cities
and there's some letter saying that even days what you're gonna see isn't raising
gas prices in the midwest because uh... these pipelines at various times are
gonna be used to basically get the the cheaper um...
at cheap gas and out of uh... that area and so there's no economic benefit but
for a very narrow group of of of carbon uh... interests
i know you've gotta go and learn it bobbie there's anything else you want
adam for suburb you know again um... appreciate
york going down there and i have a tremendous amount of admiration uh...
when you have seen the video of you
uh... being arrested walking off and uh...
uh... the of those uh... plastic cups uh... and uh... really appreciate your
your lending your
or uh... yourself to this cops
old yellow lab by my got around to it down one and probably issue pre-existing
order rico and iri you know i have been representing ground citizens of the exam
liquor u_s_ mania on the senate but
some crooked judges in morita will enforce the injunction and that at
marymount
uh... to the public officials admitted to a civil disobedience and i said okay
how long do you can copy and jail they fit in a couple of hours and uh... ended
up
thirty four days ago when they told me
uh... byzantine
it's going to be a couple hours i was a technical but the capitol police
squirrel wonderful and anywhere
trying to good humored and they were gentle everybody at the protestants
quickly and i
that out by three thirty and wanted to catch a plane to charleston intimate
speech down there and got a lot of food
with our friend mike at the time of the old town and childhood i can't uh...
dupont
or uh...
for polluting the air the city of parkersburg
uh... when uh... with deadly chemicals and lying about it sixty years
though and i was able to
get to that meeting
by the evening so it was a good day although along
well uh... body again thank you uh... so much for your work and i appreciate your
coming on today and uh... talking about this witness