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and i'm already have in the studio with me
former senator gary hart of colorado
current share of the board of the american security project american
security project dot org is their website if you want to check it out
and center are welcome by neural network programmers are you've been on before
hotlines first-time been on the same studio
in our brand new studio yes people who for broadcast at a portland for yours
and
but tell me about the american security project and
how it came about
senator john kerry noterman of the uh... some form of elections committee have
arrived here have careers
presidential campaign lab
the notion of security was changing in the twenty-first century and because the
eat
centrist kind of approach to that security involving moderate
republicans as well as democrats said
fractured beth lacey of course was a victim of that in his campaign
so he said about after the campaign i think and probably two thousand five six
to recruit some of us
former members of congress
former senior
vide officers military officers diplomats another's
to try to reconstruct thoughtful
moderate progressive approach to security involving arms control among
other things
and we have been at this for now three or four years
and are strongly
supporting the new start treaty
to a person
doing what we can to try to get the american people
up to date on why first all this is an hour
national interests national security interest
but also how the failure of the treaty would uh... very adversely affect the
united states
am i a m
imai correct in assuming that when you said the breakdown of what used to be a
bipartisan
democratic resp republican
dialogue
was very polite code for the republicans have gone crazy and they no longer talk
to democrats and you know that uh... i i'm sure you wouldn't put it that way
but that's how it looks more uncertain that you know when i swear i see
republicans who are saying that they're not going they're not going to get to
votes for start out of republican caucus in the senate
and and in tow
they have to know
at that
that you know this is this is much mccandless is all about politics but
bringing down obama
for well i think we have to distinguish between
the total opposition party in the congress
and more thoughtful republicans who
who have endorses treaty from
several administrations
secretaries of state like jim baker and
uh... henry kissinger in parai give others national security advisers
serving in the senate accepted again for is
right m and
bombed even in recent days john mccain is group recent hours i think john
mccain has been talking more favorably about the treaty
as you know it requires uh... but i think six or seven south bone
republican votes world
obviously hopeful of getting those but
i think the american people have to be heard from thirty if that's going to
happen otherwise
the forces in the republican party who are
in total opposition to
everything this administration seeks to do including things
international interest
who are going to hold sway
which is switches it seems to me senator hart tragic
uh...
let's start at the beginning
the start treaty yes the acronym stands for
or the search for your region eight at the reason why i came into being was
it goes back to really the big dog of the uh...
it's not the dawn of the cold war at least the dawn of the nuclear age when
we discovered that the soviets had gotten a nuclear capability
we had to option sweat a lot of options but to basic once one is
an arms race without limits the other work it was an effort diplomatically
to see if we could bring some
and numerical controls on the size of those
arsenals
hand this proved to be on an awful over
forty-some years
a basic american policy under both parties and
half-a-dozen administrations at least
that was at least to explore
of the possibility of the putting caps personal on the on the number of
warheads
and deliver systems
and then beginning the process including under ronald reagan eventually
of bringing those numbers down
and the key to it along los were two things one was it in our interest to do
so the answer was yes
the second was how do you verify that the famous trust but there are a fire
reagan statement
and
that included so-called national technical means overhead satellites
among other things
but it came
in the later years too
who include onsite inspection there were certain things you couldn't see from the
a hundred miles upton even sophisticated satellites so this evolved in the last
number of years too
alongside inspections
i think one of your guests dr
david kay is going to discuss on that next because he's in ideas author en
route
authentic expert about what happens
when you lose that capability so the key is bom
us watching them destroyed warheads dot
visibly and vice versa
rent and start is an acronym for strategic
proper remember absurd has a personal unicef
strategic arms reduction talks yeah okay
threatened that's and that succeed and rightly strategic arms limitation talks
repeal sultry days in this this goes back to sixteens
well i guess sixties j_r_ thinks so i i don't recall under the eyes harriers if
if we began any kind of
seems that there was kind and some ways grew out of the bay of pigs
or the cuban missile crisis if he grew out of the uh...
very underrated commit so-called american university speech by john
kennedy after the missile crisis
in which he said
there is no security in an unlimited arms race and i think that really was
that and women around the time to that he gave that famous speech and peace
initiative version sixty three
i think the same thing exchange but i was the speech okay a inside that site
to i'd like listen that on on this show all you know i'm convinced so
relented to historic speech and it did isn't
understood that weyant
yeah i will be now people database
pierre one of the points that kennedy made in that speech is that
is that piece doesn't rally crowds
piece doesn't to ensure political victories piece doesn't get headlines
piece doesn't get big corporate support piecemeal he keeps us if him updates
like him
nobody wants to talk about that
uh... what
what is your specific all we're talking to senator former senator gary hart
churner bore the american security project american security project dot
org is the website
about the start treaty
that is before the united states senate for ratification
and 'em in the mirror so we have left your thoughts on how
this might help us help the soviet with the former soviet union and russia
and so this satellite states
but dispose of some very dangerous weapons or vehicles around and not just
in just as they threaten us
well that's true the the two ninety to ninety five percent of all nuclear
weapons on earth belong to us
and or the russians
we cannot bring in the chinese that british the french the indians the
pakistanis
to any global consortium of arms
elimination
until the two of us bring down our schools
dramatic like this is a step in that direction
if this fails as apparently some republican leaders wanted to
it is a huge step back for us and it's a huge step back for security for people
and dumb it's its
nothing is life or death but this comes about as close as anything yet
if we go back to a core status with the russians all bets are off that there is
the added i think your question
suggests that ended the implication of loose nukes yeah that is the escape or
disintegrating stickers aanu
materials the warheads and the northern knowledge the
the scientists all of those have to be contained
and controlled peripheral also supporters are gary cart current
chairman of the board of the american security project american security
project dot org is the website check it out
so there are thank you for the minister and thank you for the great work through
the door hill and hell