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>>> TURN OFF ALL PAGERS, CELL PHONES AND OTHER ELECTRONIC SIGNALING
DEVICES. THE PROCEEDINGS FOR THIS PUBLIC
HEARING ARE LOCATED IN THE LOBBY ALONG WITH THE AGENDA AND COPIES
OF THE STAFF REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TODAY'S
HEARING. MEETING SCHEDULES AND AGENDAS
FOR THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE.
STAFF REPORTS AND MAPS FOR THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING
WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLINE APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO
THE PUBLIC HEARING. STARTING THIS YEAR, NORFOLK CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE RECORDED FOR
BROADCAST ON THE FOLLOWING MEDIA OUTLETS: ON THE CITY'S TV
CHANNEL 48, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS AT 9:00 P.M. AND ON THE
CITY'S OFFICIAL YOUTUBE CHANNEL, NORFOLK TV, WHICH IS ACCESSIBLE
FROM THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT WWW.NORFOLK.GOV.
CONTINUING WITH OUR PROCEEDINGS FOR TODAY, ITEMS ARE NORMALLY
TAKEN UP IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, A REQUEST MAY BE MADE FOR A WITHDRAWAL OR CONTINUANCE
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF
WILL INTRODUCE EACH APPLICATION AND A MEMBER OF PLANNING STAFF
MAY PROVIDE A BRIEF PRESENTATION UPON REQUEST, FOLLOWED BY A
STAFF RECOMMENDATION. FOLLOWING THE STAFF
PRESENTATION, THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THE PROPONENTS
AND THEN THE OPPONENTS IF THERE ARE ANY.
ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK SHOULD APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE HIS
OR HER NAME AND MAILING ADDRESS. THE SPEAKER SHOULD SPEAK
DIRECTLY TO THE COMMISSION AND NOT THE AUDIENCE AND TO
ACCOMMODATE BROADCAST, WE ASK THAT YOU NOT MAKE REMARKS UNTIL
YOU HAVE ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE.
ALL EVERYBODY HAS BEEN HEARD, THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW
REBUTTAL, FIRST FROM PROPONENTS AND THEN OPPONENTS.
REBUTTALS ARE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES EACH AND EACH SPEAKER IN
THE INITIAL PHASE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH.
AT THE CONCLUDING OF THE HEARING ON EACH ITEM AND AFTER
CONSIDERING ALL INFORMATION PRESENTED, THE COMMISSION WILL
TAKE ACTION ON THE MATTER. ACTION ON EACH MATTER BY THE
COMMISSION WILL BE TO ADOPT OR FAIL TO ADOPT BY ROLL CALL VOTE
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE GRANTING OF THE REQUEST.
THE STATEMENT OF THE MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AA MATTER OF
STAFF IS A MATTER OF VOTING PROCEDURE AND IN WAY INDICATING
THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF OR CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION.
FOLLOWING THE ACTION BY THE COMMISSION ON THE MATTER, A
WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION WILL BE MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ANYONE WHO APPEARS BEFORE THE COMMISSION WILL BE NOTIFIED BY
THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE OF THE DATE ON WHICH THE CITY COUNCIL
WILL CONSIDER THE APPLICATION. WITH THAT, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL
CALL. MR. NEWCOMB.
>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. LAW.
DR. NEUMANN. >> PRESENT.
>> MR. HALES. >> PRESENT.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> PRESENT.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> PRESENT.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> PRESENT.
>> MR. FRALEY. >> HERE.
>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TURN
TO THE CONTINUED ITEMS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE HAVE REQUESTS AT THIS TIME TO CONTINUE THE CONTINUED ITEM
NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION ON BEHALF OF
ADAMS OUTDOOR ADVERTISING BY CHRISTINE EARLY.
MS. EARLY HAS NOW LEFT AND THE APPLICATION WILL NOT BEAR HER
NAME AFTER THIS. FOR ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO
CHAPTER 16, SIGNS, OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO MODIFY
EXISTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS,
INCLUDING CONVERSION OF SIGNS TO DIGIT DIGITAL FORMAT.
WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FROM KEITH ROEMER TO A CHANGE OF
ZONING FROM CONDITIONAL I-1 AND R-8 TO CONDITIONAL I-1 ON
PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3404 AND ONE HALF OF 3406 WESTMINSTER
AVENUE AND WE HAVE A REQUEST BY REGULAR ITEM NUMBER 6, WHICH IS
THE STONEHOUSE LOUNGE BY PAUL STANLEY FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION
FOR ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3300
NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY. THOSE ITEMS ARE REQUESTED TO BE
CONTINUED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 27th AT
2:30 P.M., 2014, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 11th FLOOR CITY HALL
BUILDING, CIVIC CENTER, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> IN HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> AYE.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> MR. FRALEY. >> AYE.
I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALSO THAT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE
FOR THE CONTINUED AGENDA ITEM 2, MR. ROEMER AND MR. CLITZ.
>> AND YOUR STADIUM HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO THE -- ITEM HAS
BEEN CONTINUED TO THE HEARING IN FEBRUARY.
THANK YOU. >> WE ALSO HAVE A W.O. HATFIELD
FOR CONTINUED AGENDA ITEM FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA WHO WOULD
LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS. OKAY.
>> YOU SAID STONEHOUSE. THAT WAS 6.
>> THANK YOU, WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW PICK UP THE FIRST
ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION IS A REQUEST BY JESSY'S GROCERIES
INCORPORATED ABOUT AMEND A PREVIOUSLY GRANTED SPECIAL
EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT ON
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3201 EAST OCEAN VIEW, SUITE 104.
>> MR. CHAIR, WE'VE BEEN THOROUGHLY BRIEFED AND THERE'S
NO OPPOSITION. CALL FOR THE QUESTION.
>> BEEN MOVED THAT WE HAVE A -- THAT WE CALL FOR THE QUESTION ON
ITEM NUMBER 3, JESSY'S GROCERIES.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST COMMISSIONERS ON THIS?
>> WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE EAST OCEAN VIEW CIVIC LEAGUE
ABOUT THE UPKEEP OF THE PROPERTY, AND THOUGH THE ITEM
MAY PASS, I WANT TO GO ON RECORD THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
LOOK AT THE ITEMS AND HOPEFULLY GET THEM CLEARED UP WITH THE
LANDLORD AND THE OWNER OF THE REPORT.
>> THANK YOU, IN HALES. WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HERE IN
FAVOR AS WELL IS THE APPLICANTS REPRESENTATIVE, MR. ROMERO.
THANK YOU, YOU'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. >> THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT
THE HOURS OF OPERATION BE APPROVED AND THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTION BE GRANTED SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE
STAFF REPORT. DR. NEUMANN.
>> AYE. >> MR. HALES.
>> AYE. >> MS. FLOOD.
>> YES. >> MS. McCLELLAN.
>> AYE. >> MR. THOMAS.
>> YES. >> MR. FRALEY.
>> AYE. WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION
TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU.
>> THE NEXT APPLICATION IS ALSO FROM THE CONTINUED AGENDA.
THIS IS NUMBER 4, MAZZIKA, TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY GRANTED
SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT WITH
CLOSK BEVERAGES ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4800 COLLEY AVENUE,
SUITES C, D1 AND D2. >> AND I NOTE THAT WE HAVE NO
OPPOSITION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT
FROM THE HOLLAND PARK CIVIC LEAGUE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST COMMISSIONERS ON THIS PARTICULAR
APPLICATION? IF THERE ARE NONE, LENNY.
>> ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION BEFORE YOU IS TO
RECOMMEND THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION BE APPROVED AND THE
SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE GRANTED SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS CONTAINED
IN THE STAFF REPORT. DR. NEUMANN.
>> AYE. >> MR. HALES.
>> AYE. >> MS. FLOOD.
>> YES. >> MS. McCLELLAN.
>> AYE. >> MR. THOMAS.
>> YES. >> MR. FRALEY.
>> AYE. WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION
TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU.
>> WE WILL NOW TURN TO THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
THIS IS A REQUEST BY CHRIST SANCTIFIED HOLY CHURCH FOR THE
FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON 4820 BEAMON
ROAD. A, FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE
CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, PLANORFOLK2030, FROM NATIONAL TO
SINGLE-FAMILY TRADITION. AND B, A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM
IN-1 TO CONDITIONAL R-8 SINGLE-FAMILY.
>> SUSAN? >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST BY
CHRIST SANCTIFIED HOLY CHURCH WITH THE APPLICANT BEING GARY
COLLIER. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREENS IN
FRONT OF YOU, THIS SITE IS LOCATED BEHIND A CHURCH.
THE CHURCH ACTUALLY FRONTS ON TO SEWELLS POINT ROAD AND THE
PROPERTY IS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THAT, ACTUALLY KIND OF TUCKED
AWAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS CURRENTLY
DEVELOPED PREDOMINANTLY WITH SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DO IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING,
WHICH IS CURRENTLY INSTITUTIONAL, IN-1, TO ALLOW
SEVEN NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE
APPLICANT IS LOOKING AT IS, HE ALSO HAS TO AMEND THE GENERAL
PLAN. WHEN WE DID THE PLAN NORFOLK MAP
FOR THIS AREA, THIS PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY THE CHURCH AND SO WHEN
WE DID THE MAP, WE DEPICTED THE PROPERTY AS INSTITUTIONAL.
AND WE DID THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY THE
CHURCH. THE CHURCH IS NOT GOING TO USE
THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY ABUTS RESIDENTIAL,
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE GENERAL PLAN BE AMENDED TO
TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSAL.
AGAIN, THE REZONING PORTION OF THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE
ZONING FROM IN-1, WHICH IS INSTITUTIONAL, TO CONDITIONAL
R-8. AGAIN, ON YOUR SLIDES, YOU CAN
SEE THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED IN, AND THAT'S THE GRAY COLOR.
TO THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS MULTIFAMILY, BUT AGAIN, MOST
OF THE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS THE SITE IS ZONED R-7.
THAT IS SINGLE-FAMILY. WANTED TO SHOW YOU, AGAIN, THE
SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS ZONED R-7.
R-7 REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 60 FEET, A MINIMUM LOT SIZE
OF 6,000. WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING
IS R-8. NOW, THAT'S A SLIGHTLY SMALLER
LOT. INS MINIMUM LOT WIDTH 50,
MINIMUM LOT SIZE 5,000. HOWEVER, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS
ACTUALLY PROPOSING IS THIS. AND THIS IS THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THOUGH HE'S SLIGHTLY SHORT IN THE LOT WIDTH FOR R-7, HE'S 58
POINTS -- AND THE LOTS VARY, 58.20, MOST OF THEM ARE, SO HE'S
LESS THAN THE -- TWO FEET SHORT OF THE 60 IN THE R-7.
ALL THE LOTS MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR R-7, SO HE DOES
NEED TO DO THE R-8 ZONING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T MEET THE LOT
WIDTH FOR R-7. AS YOU KNOW, FOR MOST OF THESE
REZONINGS, WE'RE GOING FROM ONE SINGLE-FAMILY REZONING TO
ANOTHER SINGLE-FAMILY, WE DO LOOK AT THE PREVAILING LOT SIZE
IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA THAT IS SIMILARLY ZONE, SO WE LOOKED AT
ALL THE R-7 LOTS AND WE FOUND OUT PREDOMINANTLY THEY DO MEET
THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND LOT SIZE.
HOWEVER, IN THE AREA, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE THREE OTHER
CUL-DE-SACS WITHIN THAT SAME AREA.
WHEN I STARTED COUNTING WHERE THE LOTS DIDN'T MEET THE MINIMUM
LOT WIDTH, IT WAS IN THESE CUL-DE-SACS, SO SINCE THE
APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE DEVELOPMENT ON A CUL-DE-SAC AND
HE IS ONLY MINIMAL AMOUNT SHORT ON THE LOT WIDTH, WHAT HE IS
PROPOSING IS ACTUALLY VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH WHAT IS IN THAT
AREA AND FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SUPPORT.
I ALSO WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THESE WILL BE
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND AS SUCH, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES DO NOT
REQUIRE SITE PLAN REVIEW. HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS A NEW
SUBDIVISION, IT WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW
AND AT THAT TIME, SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES SUCH AS
STORMWATER WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE STORMWATER STAFF.
>> THANK YOU, SUSAN. ANY QUESTIONS OF HER?
ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT?
HEARING NONE, HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR IS THE APPLICANT, MR. GARY
COLLIER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
PRIVILEGED TO SPEAK BEFORE THIS GROUP.
I'M GARY COLLIER. I HAVE OFFICES AT 2701 NEVADA
AVENUE IN NORFOLK, NOT FAR FROM THE SITE THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF.
IN FACT, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NORFOLK, LIVED IN THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD ALL MY LIFE UNTIL I DID MARRY, BUT ALL MY ADULT
YOUTH LIFE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN BEHALF OF
THIS AND I WAS INVOLVED IN THE LAYOUT OF THE LOTS AND THE USE
OF THE PROPERTY. WE FAR EXCEED THE SQUARE-FOOT
REQUIREMENTS OF THE 6,000 SQUARE FEET IN R-7, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE
ASKING FOR R-8, WHICH ONLY REQUIRES 5,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT
THE LOT SIZES ALREADY LARGER THAN THAT REQUIRED, EVEN IN THE
R-7. I APPRECIATE SPEAKING BEFORE
THIS GODE AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY
OF -- MY CITY, CITY OF NORFOLK, AND THIS GREAT CITY.
WE FEEL LIKE THIS PROPERTY WAS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT WAS THE REAR PORTION OF THE CHURCH THAT I'VE BEEN A MEMBER
OF A LITTLE BIT OVER 60 YEARS, AND STILL AM, AND WE FELT THIS
WAS THE BEST USE THAT WE COULD HAVE -- WE HAVE BUILT A NEW
CHURCH AND MOVED. WE COULD HAVE SOLD THIS TO
ANOTHER CHURCH, BUT IT WOULDN'T DO WELL AT THE END OF BEAMON
ROAD, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, TO PLACE ANOTHER
CHURCH, WE DIDN'T FEEL, AND IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
THE LOT SIZES AND THE FRONTAGES AND WE NET WITH STREETS AND --
MET WITH STREETS AND HIGHWAYS WITH THE CITY, MET WITH THE
CIVIC LEAGUE. STREETS AND HIGHWAYS WERE
CONCERNED THAT A TRASH TRUCK IN PARTICULAR AND THEN, OF COURSE,
EMERGENCY VEHICLES, FIRE ENGINES, COULD PULL IN AND
SERVICE THE HOMES AND COME OUT OF THAT DEAD-END CUL-DE-SAC
WITHOUT HAVING TO BACK UP, AND WE'VE MET ALL OF THOSE.
OF COURSE, WE INTEND TO FOLLOW THROUGH AS MS. POLLACK
INDICATED, THAT WE COULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO ALL THE CITY
ORDINANCES AND COMPLY AND CONFORM TO EVERYTHING REQUIRED.
I THINK THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU, MR. COLLIER. >> THANK YOU.
>> ALSO HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, HE SAYS POSSIBLY, GERALD
HAVELINE. >> I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR
APPLICATION, MR. DAN MONTAGUE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS DAN MONTAGUE, LIVE AT 4605 CREEK STREET HERE IN THE
CITY AND I'M OPPOSED TO THIS FOR THIS VERY REASON RIGHT HERE.
WE ALLOWED THE SHERWOOD FOREST APARTMENTS TO BE BUILT AND THEY
BROUGHT IN DIRT AND DIRT AND DIRT, AND SO THEREFORE, THEY
WERE UP ON THE HILL AND THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WHERE I LIVE,
OKAY? AND ANYBODY -- THIS IS ALLOWED
TO CONTINUE, IT TOOK ME FIVE YEARS TO GET THE CITY TO FIX IT.
AND THEN AFTER THEY FIXED IT, I LEFT MY VEHICLES OUT ON THE
STREET AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, OKAY?
AND I WENT TO THE OUTFLOW OF THE PIPE AND IT WAS THAT MUCH WATER
IN A FIVE-FOOT PIPE. AND SO ANYWAY, I STARTED LOOKING
AROUND AND, ANYWAY, I REDESIGNED IT AND GUESS WHAT?
IT DOESN'T FLOOD THERE ANYMORE. THIS IS WHAT I USED TO DO FOR A
LIVING, OKAY? I WAS A CONSTRUCTION BOILER
MAKER. THIS IS THE LAST PROJECT I
WORKED ON. THIS IS THE EXXON REFINERY IN
LIMA, OHIO. I WORKED ON SOME OF THE BIGGEST
PROJECTS IN MY LIFETIME OUT WEST.
I KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON MOVING WATER, AND THE THING
ABOUT IT IS, I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING ISSUED, ANYTHING
CHANGED UNTIL I SEE A DETAILED MAP OF WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO
WITH THE STORMWATER BECAUSE I HAVE A FRIEND WHO LIVES ON LOT 6
ON DOLPHIN AVENUE AND, ANYWAY, RIGHT NOW, HE'S GOT MINOR
FLOODING THERE BECAUSE THEY DUMPED SOME DIRT BACK THERE WHEN
THEY WAS BUILDING THE STREET FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC, SO THEREFORE,
UNTIL I AND MY -- I GOT AN EXPERT -- SEE THE STORMWATER
MAP, I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING CHANGED.
OKAY? >> THANK YOU, MR. MONTAGUE.
>> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR
REBUTTAL. MR. COLLIER?
>> I'M GERALD HAVELINE. >> COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR
MAILING ADDRESS. >> 732 EDEN WAY NORTH,
CHESAPEAKE. WE RESPECT THE COMMENTS THE
GENTLEMAN MADE. WE DID SPEND A CONSIDERABLE
AMOUNT OF TIME REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL.
WE WENT TO AND MET ON CITY'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CIVIC
LEAGUE AND WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM.
THE CIVIC LEAGUE PEOPLE ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS PETITION THAT
WE HAVE HERE. WE TALKED TO THEM PRETTY
EXTENSIVELY ABOUT IT AND WE ALSO KNOW THE GENTLEMAN RAISED AN
ISSUE ABOUT STORMWATER AND I THINK THAT'S ALL PART OF THE
FINAL REVIEW THAT HAS TO GO FURTHER AFTER THE ZONING
RECOMMENDATION, SO I FEEL THAT WE HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE ALSO, WHEN WE MET WITH THE CIVIC LEAGUE, WE TALKED WITH --
AT A COMMUNITY SERVICE POLICE OFFICER THAT CAME TO THE
MEETING, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES GOING
ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW ENHANCING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
MORE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
SO WE FEEL THAT THE REQUEST IS REASONABLE AND IT WOULD BE AN
ENHANCEMENT TO THE TAX BASE TO THE CITY OF NORFOLK ALONG WITH
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BETWEEN YOURSELF AS WELL AS
MR. COLLIER, YOU HAVE THE REMAINDER OF YOUR FIVE MINUTES.
MR. COLLIER, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT
PARTICULAR SUBJECT? >> THANK YOU.
I MAY MENTION AND SAY THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT IS A TRANSITION TO ME BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE
INSTITUTIONAL, BEING ON THE SOUTH AND THE WEST, AND THE
RESIDENTIAL R-7 ON THE NORTH AND THE EAST.
THIS WILL BE RIGHT STILL IN THE MIDDLE.
STORMWATER ISSUES WILL BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CITY
AGENCIES AND WE WILL MEET OR EXCEED ANYTHING THAT'S ASKED OR
REQUIRED, AND I DON'T KNOW ANY FURTHER THAT WE COULD SAY OTHER
THAN WE'VE GOTTEN A POSITIVE APPROVAL.
WE DID NOT MEET MR. MONTAGUE, I DON'T KNOW IF HE LIVES IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT, BUT THOSE IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, WE'VE
ADDRESSED ANY THOUGHTS OR ISSUES AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT
WITH THEM AND THROUGH THE CITY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, OF MR. --
>> I DO. I HAVE A QUESTION.
MR. COLLIER, WHAT STYLE HOMES WILL YOU BUILD THERE?
WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING? >> WE HAD SOME PHOTOS THAT WE
SHOWED TO THE CITY OF SOME SUGGESTED IDEAS.
THEY WILL BE TWO-STORY HOMES. THEY WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE
$200,000 RANGE, WHICH IS MAYBE SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT'S THERE, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL
BOATS AND IT SHOULD BE A COMPLEMENT TO THE CITY OF
NORFOLK. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,
COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU, MR. COLLIER.
MR. MONTAGUE, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES, SIR.
>> I ONLY GOT ONE THING TO SAY. THEY DID NOT MEET WITH THE CIVIC
LEAGUE. THIS IS A NICE CIVIC LEAGUE, THE
SHERWOOD CIVIC LEAGUE. THE BOUNDARIES ARE ELMHURST ON
THE NORTH, BURKES TO THE WEST, AZALEA GARDEN TO THE EAST, AND
CAPE HENRY TO THE SOUTH. AND ANYWAY, THIS IS WELL WITHIN
MY CIVIC LEAGUE AND THEY DID NOT MEET WITH US.
THANK YOU. >> MR. MONTAGUE, BEFORE YOU
LEAVE, ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MONTAGUE FROM COMMISSIONERS
WILLIAM. >> -- COMMISSIONERS?
>> WHAT CIVIC LEAGUE DID THEY MEET WITH?
>> SUSAN, DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION OF THE CIVIC LEAGUE
THEY MET WITH? >> YEAH, IT'S THE
GREENWOOD/ELMHURST/NORVIEW HEIGHTS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS OF MR. MONTAGUE?
THANK YOU, DAN. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS?
>> JUST SAY IN GENERAL, I THINK THIS BODY SHARES CONCERN
STATEWIDE -- CITYWIDE FOR FLOODING AND STORMWATER
MANAGEMENT, BUT IT'S CLEARLY BEEN TOLD THAT THAT'S NOT ONE OF
THE DUTIES THAT THIS COMMISSION REVIEWS AND THAT'S AN
ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER THAT THE CITY HALL STAFF HANDLES, BUT I
APPRECIATE MR. MONTAGUES CONCERNS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. THOMAS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMISSIONERS? LENNY?
>> THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND
THE CHANGE OF ZONING BE APPROVED.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> MR. HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> YES.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> AND MR. FRALEY. >> AYE.
WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT ITEM FOR US IS ITEM
NUMBER 2, FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR A ZONING TEXT
AMENDMENT TO SECTION 11-2, CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION AREA
OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND CHAPTER 26, SITE PLAN REVIEW OF THE
ZONING ORDINANCE TO COMPLY WITH STATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT
REQUIREMENTS. >> AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NO
OPPOSITION. >> MR. CHAIR, SEEING AS WE HAVE
NO OPPOSITION AND WE'VE BEEN THOROUGHLY BRIEFED, I CALL FOR
THE QUESTION. >> THE MOTION BEFORE THE
COMMISSION IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE TEXT AMENDMENT BE APPROVED.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> MR. HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> AYE.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> MR. FRALEY. >> AYE.
THANK YOU, LENNY. >> WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER
3, 7-ELEVEN FOR THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS AND PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 3650 NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY.
A, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR
ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION, AND B, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE A
CONVENIENCE STORE, 24 HOURS, WITH FUEL SALES.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR
TWO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AT 3650 NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY BY
7-ELEVEN. IT IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF
NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY NORVIEW AVENUE IN THE AZALEA ACRES,
AZALEA LAKES NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BROWNLEY
SHOPPING CENTER IN AN AREA OF NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY THAT IS
DEVELOPED WITH A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES.
THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY OPERATED AN IS A PIZZA HUT RESTAURANT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH THAT OLD PIZZA HUT
RESTAURANT AND DEVELOP A NEW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUEL
PUMPS. AND THE REQUEST IS FOR TWO
SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, ONE IS FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
FOR OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION AND THE SECOND ONE IS A CONVENIENCE
STORE OPERATING 24 HOURS WITH FUEL SALES.
THE SITE IS ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL, C-2, WHICH WOULD AL
HOW THESE TWO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS -- I MEAN, THESE TWO
USES BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL SITE
PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
IN DISCUSSIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS, THE RIGHT OF WAYS
DIVISION, THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT
OFF OF NORVIEW AVENUE THAT EXISTS AT THE SITE CURRENTLY BE
CLOSED OUT OF TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS BECAUSE OF ITS
PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION THERE, AND THE APPLICANT HAS
COMPLIED WITH THAT AND IN COMPLYING WITH THAT, THEY WILL
GAIN A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY
OWNER TO THE EAST, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A 7-ELEVEN, TO HAVE A
SECONDARY ACCESS TO NORVIEW AVENUE.
AND HERE IS A PROPOSED ELEVATION FOR THE 7-ELEVEN.
THERE ARE CERTAIN CONDITIONS RELATING TO SIGNAGE THAT WILL BE
PLACED ON THIS APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO
COMPLY WITH STANDARD C-2 ZONING REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO
WALL SIGNAGE, SO THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE WALL SIGN
FOR BUILDING FRONTAGE ON EACH PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, BASED ON
THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING. ALSO, THERE WILL BE CERTAIN
RESTRICTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE CANOPY SIGN.
THEY WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED TWO SIGNS ON THE CANOPY, SO LARGER
THAN 12 SQUARE FEET, ONE FACING NORVIEW AVENUE AND THE OTHER
FACING NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED
ON THE CONDITIONS AS DESCRIBED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
I'LL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THE APPLICANT
IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM, COMMISSIONERS?
>> I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE QUESTION I ASKED DOWNSTAIRS,
WHICH IS A LOT OF TIMES 7-ELEVENS HAVE THE STRIPES
AROUND THE CANOPY. THAT'S CONSIDERED SIGNAGE.
>> THAT IS CONSIDERED SIGNAGE. THE 12-SQUARE-FOOTAGE
REQUIREMENT WOULD LIMIT THEM TO A SMALL SIGN, PROBABLY NO LARGER
THAN 3 BY 4 FEET. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION IS THE APPLICANT,
MR. STEPHEN ROMINE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN
FRALEY AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS STEVE ROMINE, LOCAL ATTORNEY WITH
ADDRESS 99 NINE WATERSIDE DRIVE. I HAVE WITH ME TODAY ONE OF THE
PRINCIPALS FROM GENERAL REALTY PARTNERS WHO'S DEVELOPING THIS
ON BEHALF OF 7-ELEVEN AND I HAVE THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR
7-ELEVEN HERE AS WELL. WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION
APPLICATION AND ADULT USE TO OPERATE A CONVENIENCE STORE 24
HOURS AND THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OFF-PREMISES.
I WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND MR. SMITH FOR
WORKING WITH US TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I'M GOING TO MOVE AHEAD BECAUSE I HAVE THREE MINUTES, BUT THIS
IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL CORNER ALONG NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY.
IT'S THE SITE OF A CLOSED PIZZA HUT, ENTRANCEWAY TO THE AIRPORT.
IT IS ZONED C-2 CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL, WHICH ALLOWS BY
SPECIAL EXCEPTION THESE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE
REQUESTING TODAY. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A WIN-WIN,
THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING SIGNATURE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE
MILITARY HIGHWAY CORRIDOR DISTRICT AND WILL STAND OUT ON
THE CORRIDOR. I WILL SHOW YOU BRIEFLY WHAT YOU
ALREADY SAW ON THIS SCREEN, A RENDERING WHICH WE CAME ABOUT
THIS IN THE LAST 48, 72 HOURS, BUT IT IS VIRTUALLY ALL BRICK, A
LOT OF GLASS FEATURES AND TOWER FEATURES, BRICK-WRAPPED CANOPY
SUPPORTS, KIND OF A MANTLE ON THE CANOPY, VERY NICE DESIGN,
ONE WE'RE DOING OUTSIDE WILLIAMSBURG AND THE RICHMOND
AREA AS WELL. WE BELIEVE THERE'S UNIQUE
ARCHITECTURE FEATURES, LIKE THIS WINDOW ON THE SIDE, MINIMAL
SIGNAGE AND SECURITY CAMERAS WILL ALSO BE UTILIZED.
WE'RE ADDING OR REPLACING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO THE
SITE AND AS INDICATED EARLIER, WE'RE INCREASING THE SAFETY AND
TRAFFIC FLOW BY PUTTING OUR ACCESS OFF SITE-WE WILL NOT
ACCESS ON TO THE PARCEL FROM NORVIEW.
WE NEGOTIATED A CROSS EASEMENT FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, SO
ACCESS IS PUSHED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION, IT WILL
ACCESS HERE, COME THROUGH AND BACK OUT HERE ON MILITARY
HIGHWAY. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONCESSION,
ONE WE TALKED WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT EARLY ON IN THE
PROCESS. AND LASTLY, ON SIGNAGE, I DO
WANT TO PASS OUT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SIGNAGE IN THE
PACKAGE, THIS QUICK MONUMENT STYLE.
I SHOWED THIS TO MR. SMITH BEFORE THE MEETING.
THE SIGN WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IS MORE A STEEL STANCION.
THE DIMENSIONS ARE NOT CORRECT AND THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE WILL
HAVE DIFFERENT ELECTRONICS, BUT THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE
OTHER STORES WE RECENTLY DEVELOPED WHICH IS IN LINE WITH
THE BRICK ARCHITECTURE ON THE BUILDING.
WE PROVIDE THIS WILL PROVIDE BETTER CONVENIENCE AND
MERCHANDISING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS AIRPORT
COMMUTERS. JUST A REMINDER, 7-ELEVEN IS A
GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN. WE EXPECT INCREASED RETAIL SALES
WILL ENHANCE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
AGAIN, WE WORK WITH CITY STAFF, WE HAVE SENT THE APPLICABLE
NOTICES OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS HAS BEEN LEGALLY
ADVERTISED. IN SUM, THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS
A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS AND SUBSTANTIAL ENHANCEMENT IN THE
NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, PROVIDES A MUCH NEEDED FACE-LIFT
TO A CLOSED PIZZA HUT BUILDING ON THE CORNER.
WE'LL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACT AND BENEFIT FOR
THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY, AND FOR THESE REASONS, WE ASK THAT
YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED HAVE BEEN SIGNED AND
SUBMITTED AND WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND CITY
COUNCIL TO FINALIZE THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE.
I'LL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, MR. ROMINE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?
>> I DO HAVE ONE. I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION, BUT WHY ARE WE GOING TO PUT A 7-ELEVEN IN FRONT OF A
7-ELEVEN DOWN THERE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN WITH THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN?
>> THE OTHER 7-ELEVEN IS CLOSING.
I HAD DOESN'T HAVE ADEQUATE SIZE OF SPACE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS FUEL, RIGHT?
NO FUEL THERE, SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE IT TO THE
CORNER AND THE ONLY REASON WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE THE GOOD ACCESS IS
WE OWN THE PARCEL NEXT TO IT. THAT 7-ELEVEN WILL CLOSE.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT, I SHOULD MENTION IT.
IT'S NO NET ADDITION OF A CONVENIENCE STORE, IT'S JUST
REPLACING AN OLD ONE THAT'S LOST ITS UTILITY.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION,
MR. HALES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU, MR. FRALEY. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, ALSO HERE TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS, MR. ROMINE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED MR. RONNIE BERNALL AND
MR. SCOTT FREEDMAN. THANK YOU.
ANY COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS? LENNY?
>> THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS BE APPROVED
SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> MR. HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> AYE.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> MR. FRALEY. >> I VOTE AYE AND I'D LIKE TO
THANK THE APPLICANT FOR LISTENING.
WE'VE HAD AN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS AND WITH REGARD TO THIS
PARTICULAR LOCATION, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THERE SINCE IT
APPEARS TO BE A GATEWAY ENTRY TO OUR CITY AND CERTAINLY GOING TO
OUR AIRPORT AND THE APPLICANT HEARD IT AND RESPONDED AND WE
APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION IN THAT REGARD FOR HELPING TO MAKE
OUR CITY GREAT. I VOTE AYE.
>> THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE US IS CVS FOR THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3717 HAMPTON BOULEVARD.
A, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ON OPERATE A RETAIL GOODS
ESTABLISHMENT OPERATING AFTER MIDNIGHT.
B, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE A COMMERCIAL DRIVE-THRU.
AND C, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION. >> HELLO, COMMISSIONERS.
SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED ON 38th AND HAMPTON BOULEVARD.
IT IS A FORMER WELLS FARGO BANK, WHICH IS NOW VACANT.
AS LENNY SAID, THE APPLICATION IS FOR 24-HOUR OPERATION, SALE
OF ALCOHOL FOR OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION AND A COMMERCIAL
DRIVE-THRU. IMPORTANT IN REGARDS TO THIS
SITE SPECIFICALLY, WE DO HAVE A CENTRAL HAMPTON AREA PLAN WHICH
THIS SITE FALLS IN. THAT PLAN CALLS FOR PLACING
BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE STREET, PROVIDING TWO-STORY FACADE ALONG
THE STREET FRONT TANEL. IT DOES ALLOW FOR A ONE-STORY
FACADE IF A CERTAINLY CRITERIA'S MET, WHICH THIS DOES.
IT ALSO WANTS WINDOW ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE AND RETAIL
ENTRANCES FROM THE SIDEWALK. I'LL SORT OF GO THROUGH THOSE
FIRST AND WE'LL MOVE ON. IN TERMS OF THE PLACEMENT,
CURRENTLY THIS BUILDING WILL BE 30 FEET FROM THE CURRENT
RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE TO GO
THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW. IN SITE PLAN REVIEW, WE'LL BE
REQUESTING SOME RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION BECAUSE WE HOPE TO
EXPAND HAMPTON BOULEVARD AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
THAT EXPANSION WILL INCLUDE THE NEW MEDIAN, SIDEWALK EXPANSION,
AND THE INCLUSION OF THE ELIZABETH RIVER TRAIL.
IN REGARDS TO THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I WENT THROUGH, THERE IS NO
CAVEAT. PART OF THE CENTRAL HAMPTON PLAN
ALSO ASKS FOR REDUCING THE PARKING ALONG HAMPTON BOULEVARD.
THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSING PARKING BEHIND HAMPTON
BOULEVARD. IT DOES MEET THAT.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T SCREEN ALL
THE SIDES BECAUSE YOU HAVE THREE RIGHT-OF-WAYS ON SURROUNDING
PROPERTY. HERE IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT IT DOES INDICATE THE 30 FEET IN
FRONT OF THE CVS ALONG HAMPTON BOULEVARD AND THE PARKING BEHIND
AND THE DRIVE-THRU WILL BE TO THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE
PROPERTY. HERE IS AN ELEVATION.
THIS IS ONE OF MULTIPLE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY DID CHANGE
IT. THIS IS ONE OF THE CHANGES.
I BELIEVE IN FRONT OF YOUR DESK, YOU HAVE ANOTHER CHANGE.
STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CENTRAL
HAMPTON PLAN AND DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF
ASHTON? >> I DO.
>> YES. >> IN REGARDS TO THE DELIVERY
TRUCKS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL ENTER AT THE BOWDEN FERRY
ROAD AND THEY WILL EXIT ON HAMPTON BOULEVARD.
GO ON. >> I BELIEVE THAT IS THE INTENT,
ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND FROM PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
APPLICANT THAT IN THEORY, TRUCKS CAN ENTER OFF OF 38th.
THEIR GOAL IS THAT IT WOULD ENTER OFF OF BOWDEN FERRY
BECAUSE IT MAKES TRUCK MOVEMENT EASIEST, BUT THE SITE IS
DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. >> THANK YOU, ASHTON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION, RANDY ROYAL.
>> IF YOU GIVE ME JUST A SECOND, I'LL PUT UP SOME DRAWINGS AND IT
MAY BE EASIER TO SEE. >> WE'LL GET ONE OF OUR STAFF
MEMBERS THERE TO GIVE YOU SOME ASSISTANCE.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> OKAY, FOR THE RECORD, I'M
RANDY ROYAL, ADDRESS 501 INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY IN
CHESAPEAKE. I HAVE JASON CHINESS HERE WITH
THE REBKEE COMPANY, THEY'RE THE DEVELOPERS ON THE PROJECT.
ASHTON HAS DONE A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING THINGS FOR US.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF. THIS ARCHITECTURE HERE IS THE
RESULT OF WORKING WITH STAFF, SIMILARLY ON THE SITE PLAN AND
THE QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT THE TRUCKS, THEY CAN ACCESS THROUGH
38th STREET AND MOST LIKELY THEY WILL.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ROUTE, THEY TAKE HAMPTON AND THEN TURN
INTO 38th AND THEY CAN GO OUT HAMPTON.
YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TRUCK TRAFFIC WITH SOMETHING LIKE A
CVS AS YOU MIGHT WITH A GROCERY STORE.
AND IT'S A -- THERE'S NOT A LOADING WELL WHERE IT'S
OFFLOADED. IT'S RELATIVELY QUIET.
ANYWAY, WE HAD MEANT TO -- WE ARE MEETING WITH THE CIVIC
LEAGUE. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MET
WITH THEM TUESDAY NIGHT. THE WEATHER, THEY CANCELLED.
WE ARE MEETING WITH THEM THIS COMING TUESDAY NIGHT, AND SO FAR
WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH
THEM. IT'S MORE, WE WANT SOME DETAILS,
WE'D JUST LIKE FOR YOU TO PRESENT TO US AND SHOW US
EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HERE
TODAY OR NOT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS.
WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE THROUGH TODAY.
AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR OFF-PREMISES
CONSUMPTION, OPERATING AFTER MIDNIGHT, 24-HOUR OPERATION, NOT
FOR ALCOHOL BUT FOR DRUGSTORE ITSELF, AND A COMMERCIAL
DRIVE-THRU. THAT'S THE THREE USE PERMITS WE
HAVE. AS ASHTON SAID, WE PUSHED THE
BUILDING UP TOWARDS THE FRONT. THAT ILLUSTRATES A LITTLE
BETTER -- I'LL TRY TO STAY ON THE RECORD HERE.
WE'RE SET BACK A LITTLE MORE HERE BECAUSE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY HE
MENTIONED, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BE DEDICATING TO THE CITY FOR
POSSIBLE FUTURE EXPANSION OF HAMPTON BOULEVARD.
OTHERWISE, THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN ABOUT TEN FEET.
THERE'S LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONTAGE, 38th, AND, OF COURSE,
ALL AROUND THE SITE, IMPROVING PRETTY DRAMATICALLY THE GREENERY
ON THE SITE THERE. AGAIN, IF THERE'S --
ARCHITECTURE CAN BE A WORK IN PROGRESS.
IF THERE'S CONCERNS, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF.
IF YOU HAVE THINGS YOU WANT TO TWEAK IT, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT,
BUT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND IF YOU HAVE ANY
INPUT TODAY, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED, BUT WE HOPE YOU
WILL SEE FIT TO GO ALONG WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND REP
APPROVAL. SO I'LL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS
AS WILL MR. CHINESS THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. ROYAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OF MR. ROYAL?
ALSO HERE TO ANSWER A QUESTION, MR. JASON CHINESS.
MR. CHINESS, ARE YOU HERE WITH US?
OKAY, MY VISION IS BLOCKED HERE. HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS
APPLICATION, DR. ROBIN BURNETT. >> MY NAME IS ROBIN BURNETT AND
I LIVE AT 3711 BOWDEN FERRY ROAD.
IN THE MAP YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED IN YOUR HANDOUT, THIS WOULD BE
MY LANEWAY, RIGHT BESIDE THE B OF BOWDEN'S FERRY ROAD.
I HAVE LIVED THERE WITH MY HUSBAND NOW FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND
A HALF. WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, WE
DID NOT SEE THIS COMING. THIS IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE
NATURE OF THIS FRAGILE NEIGHBORHOOD OF LAMBERTS POINT
IN THE LEAST. WHAT YOU ALSO DO NOT SEE ON THIS
AERIAL PHOTO THAT'S PROVIDED YOU IS THAT THERE IS A CHURCH, A
VERY LARGE CHURCH, CATTY-CORNER TO THIS PROPOSED ALL-NIGHT
ESTABLISHMENT, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.
IT HAS AN ENORMOUS CONGREGATION. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE IN
AGREEMENT WITH THIS. ALSO, THIS PROPERTY IS NEXT TO
OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY. THAT IS WHERE MY HUSBAND AND I
ARE EMPLOYED. WE HAVE POSITIONS OF
RESPONSIBILITY. I TEACH ECOLOGY.
I HAVE DONE IT, THIS IS MY SIXTH SEMESTER AND I HAVE TAUGHT
APPROXIMATELY 900 STUDENTS, PRE-MEDICAL STUDENTS.
CUSTOMER I HAVE THE HIGH SCORER ON THE LADY MONARCHS IN MY
CLASS. SHE'S A VERY ENTHUSIASTIC
PERSON. I'VE HAD EXCELLENT STUDENTS OF
THE ODU MONARCHSES. EXCELLENT STUDENT, HE DECIDED TO
GO INTO CONSERVATION BIOLOGY. MY HUSBAND AND I VALUE OUR
NIGHT'S SLEEP. IF WE HAVE A 24-HOUR RETAIL
ESTABLISHMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, AND THIS IS ACROSS THE
STREET FROM OUR BEDROOM WINDOW, WE WILL NOT BE GETTING A GOOD
NIGHT'S SLEEP. MY STUDENTS WILL SUFFER.
THERE IS A SCHOOL, MADISON SCHOOL.
THIS IS THE LARGE BUILDING WITH THE GRAY ROOF HERE, WHICH IS
ACROSS FROM IT. I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT THEY WANT
LIQUOR BEING VENDED IN THE PROPERTY BESIDE THEM.
THE CHURCH THAT I SAID WAS CATTY-CORNER OWNS SHELTERED
HOUSING, WHICH IS ACROSS 38th. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY NEED
LIQUOR VENDED. ON 21st STREET, WHICH IS -- I
DON'T KNOW HOW FAR AWAY IT IS, I'M NEW TO HAMPTON -- TO
TIDEWATER, AS YOU CAN HEAR. WE MOVED HERE FROM BRITAIN ABOUT
2 1/2 YEARS AGO. THERE IS, I BELIEVE, A FOOD
STORE STARTING TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
IT TAKES UP ABOUT TWO CITY BLOCKS AND I ASSUME THAT IT WILL
HAVE THE FACILITIES THAT CVS PROPOSES TO OFFER THERE OFFERED.
THE PHARMACY, THE LIQUOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE WELL-COVERED
WITHIN A FEW CITY BLOCKS OF THIS LOCATION, AND I HAVE TRIED TO
MAKE MY POINT. IT WILL TOTALLY CHANGE THE
CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. INCLUDING MY HUSBAND AND I
LEAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS A FRAGILE NEIGHBORHOOD,
ODU VALUES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS RESIDENTIAL.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE CIVIC LEAGUE WOULD APPROVE IT, ODU OR
THE CHURCH, BECAUSE ME AND MY HUSBAND DO NOT.
>> THANK YOU. ALSO HEAR TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS
APPLICATION IS DR. PETER BERNATH.
>> MY NAME IS PETER BERNATH. I'M ROBIN'S HUSBAND, ALSO
BOWDENY'S FERRY ROAD. IT'S JUST A WRONG PLACE FOR
THIS. IT WAS NOT ZONED FOR THIS.
IN FACT, WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A PARKING LOT IS ZONED
FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND THAT'S BECAUSE SINGLE-FAMILY
HOMES ARE AROUND IT. IT'S SURROUNDED BY SCHOOLS --
>> DR. BERNATH. EXCUSE ME.
IT IS ZONED C-2. THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON
THIS SITE. >> THEN I MUST HAVE
MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT IT SAID. I'M SORRY, THE PLANNING IS -- SO
THE PLANORFOLK2030 SAYS HERE THAT ON THE WESTERN PART HERE,
THE PLAN SAYS ENVISION THIS SITE BEING REDEVELOPED IN COMBINATION
WITH THE SCHOOL SITE TO THE SOUTH, MADISON SCHOOL, AS SINGLE
MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT WITH OFFICE, RESEARCH, AND/OR RETAIL,
MIXED WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING FRONTING ON HAMPTON BOULEVARD
AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FRONTING ON BOWDEN'S FERRY ROAD, SO I
BELIEVE THIS PLANORFOLK2030 PLAN IS PROPOSING OR PROPOSED THAT
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES GO ON -- WOULD FACE US, NOT A PARKING
LOT. >> WELL, DO UNDERSTAND AGAIN,
THE PROPER IS ZONED C-2. >> RIGHT.
>> FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. >> YES.
SO I THINK THE PLAN 2030 IS A GOOD PLAN AND I DON'T SEE THAT
PARTICULARLY A 24-HOUR, THE DRIVE-THRU, THE LIQUOR SALES
6:00 A.M. TO 12:00 MIDNIGHT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, INCLUDING
SUNDAYS, IS APPROPRIATE USE. THERE'S ALSO A DRUGSTORE JUST
NORTH ON HAMPTON ROAD ODU, SO THE LAMBERTS POINT NEIGHBORHOOD
IS WELL-SERVED BY DRUGSTORES, BASICALLY TWO BLOCKS SOUTH AND
MORE BLOCKS NORTH AT ABOUT 47th. I THINK THIS BASICALLY IS JUST
AN INTRUSION INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BASICALLY.
IF THEY CONFINE THEMSELVES TO THE FRONT ON HAMPTON, THAT'S ONE
THING, BUT TO GO BACK AND HAVE TRUCKS COMING OFF BOWDEN'S FERRY
ROAD AT ALL HOURS THE DAY AND NIGHT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE
WORD THAT THEY WOULD COME OFF 38th BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TURN
THIS SEMI AT 90 DEGREES, SO THEY WANT TO COME STRAIGHT IN OFF
BOWDEN'S FERRY ROAD AND RUN THROUGH.
SO IF EVEN IF THEY SAY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME OFF BOWDEN'S
FERRY ROAD, THEY WILL DO SO. SO IF THEY CONFINE THEMSELVES
AND HAD A SMALLER OPERATION TO THE FRONT OF THE LOT, THAT'S ONE
THING, BUT THIS 24-HOUR, GOING RIGHT ON TO A RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS. LAMBERTS POINT, THEY HAVE A LOT
OF FILL-IN HOUSES. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS IMPROVING,
BOTH NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND THIS IS A BLOW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
BASICALLY. AND INTRUSIVE CONSTRUCTION.
>> THANK YOU, DR. BERNATH. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?
THANK YOU, SIR. MR. ROYAL, YOU HAVE FIVE
MINUTES, SIR. >> THANK YOU.
AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REPEAT, MR. NEWCOMB, IT IS ZONED C-2.
WE'RE HERE FOR USE PERMITS FOR THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
THERE'S AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL USE ON IT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S AN ABANDONED BANK ON THERE. THIS PROPERTY COULD BE USED FOR
A LOT OF THINGS BY RIGHT WITH C-2.
TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HIS LAST STATEMENT ABOUT ENCROACHING, THE BUILDING IS
PUSHED UP TOWARDS HAMPTON. THERE'S PARKING LOT IN THE BACK.
CERTAINLY THE LIGHTING CAN BE KEPT AT A LOW LEVEL SHADED
TOWARDS IT. CVS IS NOT A LOUD USE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE LOUD
USE AND NOT APPROPRIATE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I THINK STAFF
HAS LOOKED AT IT, AS HAVE WE, THAT IT DOES FIT WITH HAMPTON
BOULEVARD, WITH THE PROPOSAL FOR OUT THERE, AND WE DO NOT BELIEVE
THAT IT WOULD BE A SEVERE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING TO THE BERNATHS FURTHER AT THE
MEETING ON TUESDAY. I HOPE THEY WILL BE THERE SO WE
CAN DISCUSS SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND THEIR SPECIFIC CONCERNS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS, WE
WILL, BUT AS FAR AS SAYING THE SERVICES ARE IN THE AREA, CVS
WILL NOT SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GO INTO AN
AREA WITHOUT DOING A MARKETING STUDY AND KNOW THAT THEY ARE
NEEDED THERE. THE DRIVE-THRU IN PARTICULAR IS
SOMETHING THAT MOTHERS WITH SICK CHILDREN, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET
OUT AND GO IN A GROCERY STORE AND GET THEIR PRESCRIPTIONS
FILLED. THEY WANT TO GO TO THE
DRIVE-THRU, KEEN THE KID IN THE CAR -- KEEP THE KID IN THE CAR
AND JUST LEAVE THAT WAY. IT'S A CONVENIENCE, BUT IT'S
KIND OF A NECESSARY CONVENIENCE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, ELDERLY
PEOPLE SIMILARLY DON'T WANT TO GET OUT AND HAVE TO WALK IN.
SO AGAIN, WE CAN DO WHATEVER, WE CAN INCREASE LANDSCAPING.
THE TRUCKS ON BOWDEN FERRY. WE CAN DO THINGS.
WE CAN CONDITION THAT IF YOU LIKE, THAT TRUCKS NOT COME IN
THAT WAY. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO FROM
A DESIGN STANDPOINT THAT TRUCKS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT
TURN, BUT CARS WILL. THE TRUCKS WILL HAVE TO COME IN
FROM 38th STREET. AGAIN, THESE ARE THE TYPE THINGS
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO DO AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS
HERE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DIDN'T
GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET TUESDAY BEFOREHAND, BUT I CAN'T
HELP THE WEATHER. SO AGAIN, WE'LL STAND BY FOR ANY
MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
DID I ADDRESS EVERYTHING? >> I THINK SO.
>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> YES, SIR.
>> AND I KNOW THE WEATHER WASN'T, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU
COULD CONTROL, BUT HISTORICALLY, THIS BODY PUTS A LOT OF CREDENCE
AND GIVES A LOT OF DEFERENCE TO WHAT THE CIVIC LEAGUES HAVE TO
SAY. WE LIKE THE APPLICANTS TO BE
ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CIVIC LEAGUES SO THAT CONCERNS LIKE
THIS DON'T HAVE TO COME UP AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE AND I KNOW
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. I APPRECIATE THE CONTINUED
EVOLUTION OF YOUR DESIGN AND YOUR WORKING WITH THE CITY ON
THIS. IT REALLY IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. MAY I SUGGEST A CONTINUANCE TO
ALLOW YOU THE TIME TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CONTINUE THAT
EVOLUTION, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH
HOPEFULLY AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN MOVE IT RIGHT ALONG WITHOUT
ANY FURTHER ISSUES? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO
THEM AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO ANSWER THEIR
CONCERNS AND SEE IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL MITIGATION WE CAN DO
TO BUFFER THEM. >> THAT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS OF MR. ROYAL?
DRS. BERNATH, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, ALLOWING
THE CONTINUANCE TO EXPLORE THIS THROUGH THE CIVIC LEAGUES?
>> THE LAMBERTS POINT CIVIC LEAGUE, ALTHOUGH I AM NOT THE
HEAD OF IT OR ANYTHING, HAS MEETINGS EVERY MONTH ON
TUESDAYS. SECOND TUESDAY, I BELIEVE, SO
THERE'S AMPLE OPPORTUNITY. THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY IN
DECEMBER TO MEET WITH THEM WHICH WAS NOT TAKEN, SO AS I SAY,
THERE'S AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM AND I CAN'T
BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS MATTER
BECAUSE IT IS A TIPPING POINT FOR THIS VERY FRAGILE
NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS COMING UP BACK UP.
>> THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
CONTINUING TO EXPLORE THIS, MR. ROYAL, THROUGH THE CIVIC
LEAGUES AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET YOU BACK HERE NEXT MONTH AND
MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD OR NOT.
WITH THAT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN -- IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST
COMMISSIONERS. >> THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THE
ITEM TO THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 27th,
2014, AT 2:30 P.M. IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 11th FLOOR,
CITY HALL BUILDING, CIVIC CENTER, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> MR. HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> AYE.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> AND MR. FRALEY >> AYE.
WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.
THE NEXT APPLICATION BEFORE US IS THE HIBACHI GRILL SUPREME
BUFFET FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO FREIGHT AN EATING AND DRINKING
ESTABLISHMENT ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5957 EAST VIRGINIA
BEACH BOULEVARD, SUITE 4. >> AND WHILE I NOTE THAT THERE
IS NO OPPOSITION, I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICANT IS IN
ATTENDANCE, MR. ZHENHUI FENG. THANK YOU, SIR.
I TRUST YOU DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS THAT CORRECT?
THANK YOU, SIR. THERE BEING NO OPPOSITION.
>> THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE GRANTED
SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> MR. HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> AYE.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> MR. FRALEY. >> AYE.
WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT APPLICATION BEFORE
US IS WATERSIDE LIFE BY NORFOLK DISTRICT ASSOCIATES LLC FOR A
SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT WITH
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON PROPERTIED LOCATE THE AT 333
WATERSIDE DRIVE. >> THIS APPLICATION IS WATERSIDE
LIFE BY NORFOLK DISTRICT ASSOCIATES AND THIS IS A LEDGE
AT THIS TIME OF THE CORDISH GROUP, SO THE REQUEST IN FRONT
OF YOU IS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN
ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT WITH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT THIS SITE
AND THE SITE IS ZONED D-1, WHICH IS THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS UNIQUE, WE SEE THIS FROM TIME TO
TIME. IT WILL BE A BLANKET SPECIAL
EXCEPTION FOR THE ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT AND THE ORDINANCE
IS WRITTEN SO AS TO REPEAL THE EXISTING BLANKET SPECIAL
EXCEPTION OVER THE COMMON AREAS THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AT THE
SITE, AND THERE WILL BE THREE SPECIAL EXCEPTION ORDINANCES
THAT WILL BE RETAINED AT THE SITE FOR THE EXISTING RESTAURANT
ESTABLISHMENTS THERE. HERE ARE THE PROPOSED AND
CURRENT HOURS OF OPERATION. RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING SPECIAL
EXCEPTION THAT'S ADOPTED IS FROM 10:00 A.M. TO 2:00 A.M., SEVEN
DAYS A WEEK, AND THEN ALCOHOL SALES 11:00 A.M. TO 1:00 A.M.
SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND THE PROPOSED IS A 6:00 A.M. TO
2:00 A.M. OPERATION FOR ALCOHOL SALES SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND THE
ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS YOU SEE HERE, WE USED TO HAVE MANY
DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS, BUT THIS
SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS UNRESTRICTED IN THAT REGARD AND
THE -- I GUESS YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS,
EXCUSE ME WITH THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT ALSO THE
CAPACITY WILL BE DETERMINED WHEN THE SITE GOES THROUGH ITS
BUILDING CODE REVIEW IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA
UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE TO DETERMINE IT'S FINAL
CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND THAT'S ALL THAT IDENTIFY
THIS APPLICATION. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> ANY QUESTIONS OF MATTHEW FROM THE COMMISSION?
>> WE DO HAVE A LETTER OF OPPOSITION THAT I'LL POINT OUT
TO YOU THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK CIVIC
LEAGUE THAT SPEAKS IN SPECIFIC REGARD TO THE BLANKET NATURE OF
THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS IS
RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU, MATTHEW.
HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION IS MR. MICHAEL
STULCE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSION.
MICHAEL STULCE, 601 EAST PRATT STREET IN BALTIMORE, MARYLAND.
BEEN WORKING FOR THE CORDISH COMPANY A LONG TIME, WORKING
WITH THE WATERSIDE PROJECT SINCE WE STARTED WITH THE CITY OF
NORFOLK. IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW,
SO WE'RE ANXIOUS TO MOVE IT ALONG.
ONE OF THE CORDISH COMPANY'S STRENGTHS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS
THESE URBAN ENTERTAINMENT REVITALIZATION.
IT'S REALLY WHERE WE MADE OUR NAME AND I THINK WHY WE WERE
CHOSEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE ON WATERSIDE.
WHAT WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH DOING THESE PROJECTS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY IS THAT FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THEY NEED TO BE MORE
THAN JUST THE SUM OF THEIR PARTS, AND SIMILAR TO A SHOPPING
MALL OR ANY TYPE OF LARGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, YOU REALLY
CAN'T LOOK AT IT TENANT BY TENANT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A PROJECT.
TENANT MIX IS CRITICAL TO US. WE'VE ASKED THE CITY FOR THE
FLEXIBILITY OF THE BLANKET SPECIAL EXCEPTION BECAUSE WE
NEED THE FLEXIBILITY IF ONE TENANT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND THAT
TENANT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT.
WE CAN'T HAVE A VACANT STORE FRONT, WE CAN'T HAVE A CLOSED
TENANT FOR VERY LONG. WE'VE BEEN KNOWN TO CHANGE A
TENANT BY DESIGN EVERY SO OFTEN. WE'VE BEEN KNOWN TO KEEP TENANTS
FOR -- SINCE THE PROJECT HAS BEEN THERE.
AND WE'VE HAD PROVEN SUCCESS IN CITIES LIKE BALTIMORE, KANSAS
CITY, LOUISVILLE, WITH SIMILAR STRUCTURES.
WE HAVE -- IN BALTIMORE, IT'S CALLED AN ARENA LIQUOR LICENSE.
IT'S US, IT'S THE BALTIMORE ARENA, IT'S CAMDEN YARDS AND THE
STADIUM. NOBODY ELSE HAS ONE.
WE'VE BEEN TRUSTED BY THAT CITY TO HAVE A SIMILAR THING HERE.
I THINK THE CITY OF NORFOLK HAS EXPERIENCE WITH THE BLANKET
SPECIAL EXCEPTION BOTH AT WATERSIDE AND AT THE MALL.
I THINK THERE'S EXAMPLES FOR IT, AND LARGELY, WE'VE ASKED FOR
THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF VENUES WE'VE PLANNED FOR
WATERSIDE ARE AFFILIATED COMPANIES WITH US.
WE'RE A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER THAT ALSO HAS AN OPERATING
DIVISION THAT OPERATES ITS OWN RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT
VENUES, SO WE HAVE EVEN GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN THAT REGARD.
IF MAYBE WE THINK THAT A HIGH-END STEAK HOUSE IS THE WAY
TO GO AND IT STARTS TO GET LESS AND LESS BUSINESS, WE CAN CHANGE
TO IT A HAMBURGER JOINT OR MAYBE IT NEEDS TO GO THE OTHER WAY AND
THAT'S WHAT'S SUSTAINED THESE PROJECTS FOR SO LONG WHERE
SOMING LIKE WATERSIDE IN THE PAST HAS GONE UP AND GONE DOWN,
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF SUCCESS OVER REALLY
MULTIPLE PHASES OF PROJECTS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASKED FOR IT HERE.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> HOW LONG IS YOUR BALTIMORE LOCATION BEEN OPERATING?
>> IT BEGAN IN 1998, SO IT'S 15 YEARS NOW.
>> AND THE KANSAS CITY AND ST. LOUIS LOCATIONS YOU
MENTIONED, HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN IN OPERATION NOW?
>> ST. LOUIS, WE OPENED THIS APRIL, SO WE'RE IN ST. LOUIS,
BUT WE HAVEN'T OPENED YET. IN LOUISVILLE, I BELIEVE IT WAS
2004, AND KANSAS CITY WAS 2007, 2008.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN SAY WITHOUT EXCEPTION, EACH PROJECT IS AS
STRONG OR STRONGER TODAY THAN IT WAS WHEN IT OPENED.
OFTENTIMES THE ENTERTAINMENT PROJECTS, THEY HAVE A GREAT
SURGE AT FIRST AND IT'S NOT HARD TO BUILD EXCITEMENT FOR A
PROJECT AND OPEN. THE REAL THING I THINK THAT
SEPARATES CORDISH FROM SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS THAT MAY DO
THIS IS THAT WE SUSTAIN IT TO A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
>> THANK YOU, MR. STULCE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM
COMMISSIONERS? >> I HAVE A STATEMENT AND A
QUESTION. I REMEMBER WHEN WATERSIDE OPENED
BACK IN THE -- I THINK IT WAS THE EARLY '80s, AND I REMEMBER
BEING ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO GET IN.
WE WERE GOING -- WE WENT TO PHILLIPS RESTAURANT AT THAT
TIME, AND SO I AM EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
>> GREAT. >> BUT I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT
THIS UNLIMITED -- THIS IDEA OF YOUR ENTERTAINMENT BEING
UNRESTRICTED. AND SO I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING
WHAT KINDS OF ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, COULD WE EXPECT?
>> UNRESTRICTED IS JUST A WORD, I'D SAY.
I KNOW IT'S IN THE REPORT, BUT I KNOW WE ARE LIMITED, OF COURSE,
BY LAW IN THIS CITY OF NORFOLK AND AN EXAMPLE OF THE THINGS WE
DO, WE HAVE CONCERTS. WE HAVE FAMILY FUN DAYS, WE CALL
IT, WHERE THERE'S PETTING ZOOS, WHERE THERE'S THINGS BROUGHT IN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TIMES FARMERS MARKETS THAT COME INTO OUR
DISTRICTS AND USE THE WALLS AND WE PROVIDE THEM THE PLACES TO
SET UP. WE REALLY, IN EVERY DISTRICT,
IT'S DIFFERENT AND WE FOCUS IT ON WHAT WE THINK THE CITY NEEDS
AT THE TIME. SO BETWEEN CONCERTS, FASHION
SHOWS, WE'VE HAD SPORTING EVENTS.
A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL HAVE WATCH PARTIES.
IF NORFOLK STATE IS IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT, WE'LL SAY COME DOWN
AND HAVE A WATCH PARTY FOR NORFOLK STATE.
WE DO THAT IN KANSAS CITY ESPECIALLY WITH KANSAS AND
KANSAS STATE AND MISSOURI. IT'S TASTEFULLY DONE, HE IS WHAT
WE DO EVERYWHERE, AND IT'S WHAT WE THINK MAKES THESE PROJECTS
SUCCESSFUL. >> THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALSO HERE TO SPEAK -- THANK YOU,
SIR. ALSO HERE TO SPEAK AS NEEDED,
RON WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS APPLICATION, KEVIN MURPHY.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. KEVIN MURPHY, PRESIDENT OF THE
DOWNTOWN NORFOLK CIVIC LEAGUE. RESIDE AT 109 COLLEGE PLACE IN
DOWNTOWN NORFOLK. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK. THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK CIVIC
LEAGUE NORMALLY DOES NOT OPPOSE SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATIONS.
WE'RE ALL FOR BUSINESSES HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE
THEMSELVES AS SUCCESSFUL OPERATIONS IN NORFOLK.
BUT THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK CIVIC LEAGUE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO
OPPOSE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL
EXCEPTION FOR THE ENTIRE FACILITY.
RATHER THAN GRANTING A SINGLE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE
FACILITY, IT'S THE CIVIC LEAGUE'S POSITION THAT EACH OF
THE INDIVIDUAL ESTABLISHMENTS SHOULD APPLY FOR THEIR OWN
SPECIAL EXCEPTION. SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ARE SUPPOSED
TO FREEWAY THE CITY WITH A -- PROVIDE THE CITY WITH AN
ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF SCRUTINY OF ESTABLISHMENT THAT WANT TO SELL
ALCOHOL. THE REQUEST BY WATERSIDE LIVE!
DOES NOT PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY INTENDED BY THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTION. WE DO NOT KNOW THE OPERATING
HOURS, THE CAPACITY, THE THEME, THE TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT, THE
FLOOR PLANS, ETCETERA, OF ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL ESTABLISHMENTS.
IF THE CITY GRANTS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO WATERSIDE LIVE!
IT WOULD NOT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY NECESSARY TO DEAL
WITH INDIVIDUAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT VIOLATE THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTION. THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PULL THE
SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR ALL OF WATERSIDE LIFE!
TENANTS OR ALLOW THE VIOLATING TENANT TO CONTINUE TO FREIGHT.
THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR THIS CONUNDRUM AS THE CITY PREVIOUSLY
WAS NOT IN POSITION TO ADDRESS ISSUES AT BAR NORFOLK AND HAVE A
NICE DAY CAFE IN 2009 WITHOUT REPEALING WATERSIDE'S SPECIAL
EXCEPTION AS WAS NOTED, THEY HAD A BLANKET SPECIAL EXCEPTION AT
THE TIME, WHICH WAS THEN UNDONE. IN ADDITION TO RECOMMENDING THAT
THE INDIVIDUAL ESTABLISHMENTS AT WATERSIDE LIVE! APLAY FOR THEIR
OWN -- APPLY FOR THEIR OWN SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THIS PROVIDES
FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SHORTENING THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION
PROCESS IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF APPROVAL
WATERSIDE LIVE'S REQUEST, BUT TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS FOR ITS
TENANTS AND OTHER NORFOLK BUSINESSES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE
BE FULLY OPERATIONAL. THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT
CURRENTLY TAKES TO GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS DETERRENT TO DOING
BUSINESS IN NORFOLK AND NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE TENANTS
AND LANDLORDS ALIKE. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE. >> THANK YOU, KEVIN.
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MURPHY FROM COMMISSIONERS?
THANK YOU, KEVIN. WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
REBUTTAL. MR. STULCE.
>> I'LL JUST BE VERY BRIEF IN REBUTTAL.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN THE MALL WAS GRANTED THEIR SPECIAL
EXCEPTION, IT WAS BECAUSE YOU KNEW YOU HAD THE MALL DEVELOPERS
SUPPORT. I THINK WE'RE THE GREATEST
ENTERTAINMENT DEVELOPERS IN THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF NORFOLK AND
WE'RE ON THE PHONE WITH ANY ISSUES AT ANY TIME, AND, YOU
KNOW, I THINK HAVING US TO ANSWER FOR OUR TENANTS, THE
TENANTS HAVE TO ANSWER TO US AND MANY OF THEM RELATED TO US, MANY
OF THEM, WE HAVE NATIONAL RELATIONSHIPS WHERE WE'LL PICK
UP A TENANT IN ONE CITY, THEY WILL DO THEIR FIRST EVER SECOND
LOCATION WITH US IN THE NEXT CITY AND THERE'S -- THESE
TENANTS HAVE WE BRING WITH US, WE HOLD TO -- IT'S JUST A LIE
STANDARD -- JUST AS HIGH A STANDARD AS WE HOLD OURSELVES.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. KEVIN?
>> YOU KNOW, I COULD DEBATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MALL AND
WATERSIDE LIVE. I'LL JUST SUFFICE THE ALL IN ALL
WAS RETAIL ORIENTED, DEFINED HOURS FROM 9:00 OR 10:00 IN THE
MORNING UNTIL THE EARLY EVENING, NOT 6:00 A.M. UNTIL 2:00 A.M.,
WHEREAS WATERSIDE LIVE THAT IS THOSE HOURS AND IS ENTERTAINMENT
FOCUSED, WHICH MEANS RESTAURANTS AND FUNCTIONS AS CLUBS, DO
ENTERTAINMENT MUCH LIKE A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES UP AND
DOWN GRANBY STREET. ALSO, I DON'T WANT TO BRING INTO
QUESTION CORDISH'S TENANTS, BUT THE VERY TENANTS THAT THE CITY
PREVIOUSLY HAD PROBLEMS WITH AT THE FORMER WATERSIDE ARE IN
OTHER DORDISH DEVELOPMENTS, SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT
THERE WILL BE ISSUES WITH INDIVIDUAL TENANTS.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, KEVIN.
ANY COMMENTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, DOES THE
SPECIAL EXCEPTION RELAY TO CORDISH OR THE ENTITY OF THE
BUILDING? SO IF CORDISH WERE TO --
>> THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS SPECIFIC TO NORFOLK DISTRICT
ASSOCIATES, LLC, WHICH IS THE CORPORATE ENTITY IN VIRGINIA
THAT CORDISH IS OPERATING UNDER. SO TO SAY NORFOLK DISTRICT
ASSOCIATES AND CORDISH ARE REALLY ONE AND THE SAME FOR
PURPOSES OF THIS PARTICULAR VENUE.
>> SO IF THERE WERE A SALE OF THE ENTITY TO ANOTHER
ORGANIZATION, THAT BLANKET SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD NO
LONGER HOLD? >> SO LONG AS THE NORFOLK
DISTRICT ASSOCIATES, LLC, EXISTS, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION
WOULD REMAIN. CORDISH'S ABILITY TO TRANSFER
THAT SALE OR TRANSFER THAT ENTITY WOULD BE GOVERNED BY
WHATEVER AGREEMENT THE CITY HAS STRUCK WITH CORDISH AS PART OF
THE DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT WOULD NOT BE A LAND USE QUESTION.
>> THANK YOU, ADAM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COMMENTS? LENNY?
>> THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE
APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE
STAFF REPORT. DR. NEUMANN.
>> I'LL JUST SAY THAT I APPRECIATE, KEVIN, WHAT YOU'VE
BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AND IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL WAY WE DO
BUSINESS IN THE CITY, BUT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY -- THIS ISN'T
A TYPICAL PROJECT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE VETTING
PROCESS FOR CORDISH AND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT
THING FOR THE CITY AND WHEN THINGS GO WRONG, WE NEED TO HOLD
THEM AND GIVE THEM THE LEVERAGE TO MAKE CHANGES.
IF THEY DO GO WRONG. AND I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS THIS
TO BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT. I THINK WE'RE IN LINE TO MAKE IT
SUCCESSFUL. I AGREE IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT I
THINK THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF MOVING GOOD THINGS FORWARD IN
THE CITY, I HAVE TO VOTE AYE. >> MR. HALES?
>> AYE. >> MS. FLOOD.
>> YES. >> MS. McCLELLAN.
>> I WOULD ECHO DR. NEUMANN'S COMMENT AS WELL AND VOTE AYE.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> MR. FRALEY >> AYE.
WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, THANK YOU.
>> MR. WOLISKY IS UNABLE TO BE HERE.
HE PREPARE THE NEXT TWO STAFF REPORTS WHICH IS STREET CLOSURES
AND I WILL HANDLE THOSE IN HIS ABSENCE.
THE FIRST ONE BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST TO CLOSE 0.14 ACRE MORE
OR LESS OF A PORTION OF THE NORTHERN HALF OF WILLOUGHBY
AVENUE LYING SOUTH OF LOTS 23 THROUGH 35 IN BLOCK 17 AND WEST
OF 27th STREET. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CLOSE A
PORTION OF AN UNIMPROVED STREET NAMED WILLOUGHBY BAY AVENUE THAT
EXTENDS GENERALLY ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE WILLOUGHBY
SPIT AREA. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS AN
ESTATE AT THIS TIME. THE FAMILY IS SEEKING TO CLOSE
THEIR ESTATE AND AS THEY PROCURED A SURVEY OF THE
PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY WAS DETERMINED TO HAVE WILLOUGHBY
BAY AVENUE EXTENDING ACROSS THE FIRST PORTION OF THE PORCH
THAT'S ON THE HOUSE AND A PORTION OF THE GARAGE THAT'S ON
THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THEM FOR PROBABLY OVER A YEAR TO
REACH THIS POINT. THE PROPOSAL IS TO CLOSE
ONE-HALF, AS IT SAYS, THE NORTHERN HALF OF WILLOUGHBY BAY
AVENUE. THE CITY WILL RETAIN THE
SOUTHERN HALF WHICH CUTS ALONG A PORTION OF THE SHORELINE.
THE PORTION PROPOSED TO BE CLOSED GIVES THEM A POSITION
WHERE THEY CAN CONVEY THE PROPERTY AND THE HOUSE AND THE
GARAGE WILL NO LONGER BE ENCROACHING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SINCE THIS DOES ENHANCE THEIR PROPERTY, THIS IS A STREET
CLOSURE WHERE AN APPRAISAL WAS PERFORMED AND THE APPLICANTS
HAVE AGREED TO PAY $18,000 FOR THE PORTION OF THE STREET THAT'S
BEING PROPOSED FOR CLOSURE. >> THANK YOU, LENNY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
I HASTEN TO NOTE THAT THERE IS NO OPPOSITION TO THIS
APPLICATION, BUT HERE TO SPEAK IF SHE SO DESIRES IS THE
APPLICANT, MS. KAREN LABONTE. CARE TO SPEAK?
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> I BELIEVE SOMEONE SPOKE
EARLIER IN THE MEETING THIS THERE WERE HERE FOR THIS ITEM.
>> THAT'S MR. HATFIELD? [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> PLEASE DO. >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS WARREN HATFIELD AND I OWN 729 --
>> CAN WE HAVE YOUR STREET ADDRESS PLEASE.
>> 729, AND YOU CAN SEE -- >> 729?
>> OCEAN VIEW AVENUE, NORFOLK. I WISH TO DO THE SAME THING, BUT
IN DOING, SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT PORTION OF BUNDLE OR RIGHTS
WOULD I ENJOY AS FAR AS DO I GET -- IS THE PROPERTY DEEDED TO
ME? DO I OWN IT, PAY TAXES ON IT?
I'D LIKE TO KNOW. >> WELL, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PAY
TAXES ON IT -- >> I'D LIKE TO ANSWER YOUR
QUESTION IF THAT'S OKAY. IF YOU GO THROUGH A STREET
CLOSURE, IT IS A CONVEYANCE OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU WOULD
THEREFORE BE REQUIRED TO PAY TAXES ON IT.
WHAT THE RIGHTS ARE WOULD BE DETERMINED BY TITLE SEARCH OF
THE PORTION IN FRONT OF YOU AND A RESOLUTION OF THAT
APPLICATION. >> HOW ABOUT INSURANCE BY -- SO
IT WOULD BE A DEED TO ME? >> IT'S A CONVEYANCE OF
PROPERTY. YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOME, YOU'RE
GOING TO ESSENTIALLY BUY THE RIGHTS FROM THE CITY THAT WE
HAVE AT WILLOUGHBY BAY AVENUE AND WE WOULD THEN EXPECT YOU TO
MAINTAIN IT, TAKE CARE OF IT, AND OH YES, PAY THOSE TAXES.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> YOU HAPPY, MR. HATFIELD? >> YES, SIR.
>> THANK YOU. ALSO HERE, WE WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE, THEY WISH TO SPEAK, I WANT TO AGAIN EMPHASIZE THERE
IS NO OPPOSITION, MR. JOHN PRICE AND MR. JOHN WILLIAMS.
THERE'S NO OPPOSITION TO THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
>> THE MOTION IS TO CLOSE A PORTION OF WILLOUGHBY.
MR. LAW? I'S NOT HERE.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> MR. HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> YES.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> AND MR. FRALEY. >> AYE.
THANK YOU, WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
LAST ONE ON THE AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 9, LENNY, MITCHELL T.
ALBERTS. >> YES, THE NEXT APPLICATION
BEFORE YOU IS ALSO A STREET CLOSURE AND IN THIS CASE, WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT CLOSING A PORTION OF A 10-FOOT LANE THAT IS 160
FEET MORE OR LESS IN LENGTH LYING EAST OF LOT 16-A AND SOUTH
OF INLET POINT ROAD. SOMETIME IN THE PAST YEARS, IN
MY CAREER HERE, WE CLOSED A PORTION OF IT THAT GOES FROM THE
NORTH SIDE. IT IS NOT DEVELOPED.
IT IS 10-FEET WIDE AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE IF
YOU FELL IN ON IT. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> ANY QUESTIONS OF LENNY? THANK YOU, LENNY.
I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE.
MITCHELL T. ALBERTS. MR. ALBERTS, DO YOU WISH TO SAY
ANYTHING FURTHER? THERE IS NO OPPOSITION TO YOUR
APPLICATION. THANK YOU, SIR.
WITH THAT, SUSAN? >> THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND
CLOSURE OF A 10-FOOT LANE, 160 FEET MORE OR LESS IN LENGTH
LYING EAST OF LOT 16-A AND SOUTH OF INLET POINT ROAD.
DR. NEUMANN. >> AYE.
>> MR. HALES. >> AYE.
>> MS. FLOOD. >> YES.
>> MS. McCLELLAN. >> AYE.
>> MR. THOMAS. >> YES.
>> MR. FRALEY. >> AYE.
WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
GOOD LUCK. WITH THAT ITEM, UNLESS
MR. MELITO OR MR. HOMEWOOD HAS ANYTHING, THAT CONCLUDES OUR
AGENDA WITH ONE THING BEFORE WE FORMALLY ADJOURN.
I WANT TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER, MS. ANDRIA McCLELLAN TO
OUR COMMISSION. SHE'S ALREADY HIT THE GROUND
RUNNING AND WE'RE CONFIDENT SHE'S GOING TO BE A VERY VERY
VIABLE AND VALUABLE MEMBER OF OUR COMMISSION.
WELCOME ABOARD. >> THANK YOU.
>> WITH THAT, WE STAND ADJOURNED.
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