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WEEK.
COMES TO OHIO.
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>>> FROM WOSU AT COSI, THIS IS
"COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD."
JOINING MIKE THOMPSON, ANN
FISHER, HOST OF ALL SIDES WITH
ANN FISHER ON 89.7 NPR NEWS.
JEANETTA KING, PRESIDENT OF
INNOVATION OHIO.
>> THE DEBATE IS OVER BUT
SOMETIMES CAN BE HARD TO DEFINE
AND THE CONFRONTATION IS BETWEEN
WHO IS THE AGGRESS SOR AND WHO
IS THE DEFENDER.
OHIO SAYS PEOPLE HAVE A DUTY TO
RETREAT FROM DEADLY
CONFRONTATION, IF THEY CAN.
THE HOUSE ELIMINATES IT DUTY TO
RETREAT BEFORE USING DEADLY
FORCE IN SELF-DEFENSE.
ITIS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE STAND
YOUR GROUND LAW, WHICH GAINED
LOTS OF ATTENTION IN FLORIDA
WITH GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.
>> THE LAW IS THE RIGHT LAW TO
HAVE.
I THINK IT'S TOUGH BUT ALSO
THINK IT'S NOT A LAW THAT ALLOWS
SOMEONE TO FOLLOW AN INNOCENT
AFRICAN-AMERICAN TEENAGER AND
SAY I FEAR FOR MY LIFE AND GUN
HIM DOWN AND SAY I STOOD MY
GROUND.
>> IT'S A MARKETING LABEL, A
MEDIA LABEL.
THERE'S NO MEANING.
OHIO IS THE ONLY STATE TO PROVE
THEY WERE ACTING IN
SELF-DEFENSE.
EVERY OTHER STATE, THEY WERE NOT
ACTING IN SELF-DEFENSE.
>> YOU DEFENDING PROSECUTING
CRIMINALS.
WOULD IT MAKE US MORE SAFE?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED THIS LAW.
I'M NOT FOR A LOT OF GUN LAWS WE
I SUPPOSE DIFFERENT FROM MOST
HAVE.
PEOPLE IN MY PARTY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
I HAVE BEEN DOING IT A LONG,
LONG TIME.
I SUPPOSE IN THE COURTS 45
YEARS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT WE HAVE
NOW IS BROKEN.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE
IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD MAKE US
ANY SAFER.
FRANKLY, TO ME, IT'S AN
OVERKILL.
THERE ARE THINGS IN IT I DON'T
LIKE.
I DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT OF
TRADING --
>> REQUIRED TRADING IF YOU WANT
CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT.
>> IT'S IN THE SAME BILL.
I DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT THAT
CERTAIN FELONS THAT HAVE BEEN
CONVICTED CAN CARRY WEAPONS.
DANGEROUS, NO VIOLENCE.
I DON'T LIKE THE GENERAL IDEA.
I THINK THIS THING HAS WORKED,
ALL THE YEARS I HAVE BEEN
AROUND, BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE,
HAS WORKED WELL.
IT'S A GOOD LAW THAT WE HAVE AND
I SEE NO REASON TO CHANGE IT.
>> SUPPORTERS SAY WE NEED THE
CHANGE TO CLARIFY IT, TO MAKE IT
SO THERE'S NO QUESTION, YOU
DON'T HAVE TO RETREAT IF YOU ARE
THREATENED, BUT YOU HAVE TO
PROVE YOU ACTED IN SELF-DEFENSE.
>> I THINK PROVING, YOU ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO STOP AND THINK
ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU SHOOT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL.
I THINK THEY HAVE STAND YOUR
GROUND IN THEIR MIND AND THE
BOTTOM LINE IS, IF SOMEONE WAS
SHOT AND KILLED AND SHOULDN'T
HAVE BEEN, THAT IS A HORRIBLE
THING TO CONTEMPLATE.
I DON'T THINK SOMEBODY THINKS
ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS THEY
HAVE TO PROVE IN COURT.
>> STAND YOUR GROUND IN YOUR
THIS IS LIKE IF YOU ARE AT A
HOUSE.
PARK OR SHOPPING MALL OR PUBLIC
PLACE WHERE YOU CAN STAND YOUR
GROUND IF YOU ARE CONFRONTED.
>> SEEMS TO ME TO BE AN
INVITATION TO AGGRESSIVENESS
RATHER THAN STAND BACK.
WE ALREADY ARE AN AGGRESSIVE
SOCIETY.
NOW, WE ARE A SOCIETY THAT'S
MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH MORE GUNS.
WE HAVE HAD 82,000 CONCEALED
PERMIT APPLICATIONS GRANTED THIS
YEAR ALREADY, WHICH WAS MORE
THAN ALL OF LAST YEAR AND I'M
WITH MIKE, I DON'T SEE THE
RATIONAL.
WE SAW THE PROBLEMS IT CAUSED IN
FLORIDA AND THERE'S NO REASON TO
BELIEVE IT WON'T HAPPEN HERE.
>> I GUESS I FIND IT VERY
INTERESTING THAT OF ALL THE
THINGS IT LEGISLATURE CAN DO,
THEY PICKED THIS BILL WHERE
THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM IN OHIO TO
ADVANCE AND SPEND THEIR TIME ON.
IT IS BEING PUSHED BY VERY
EXTREME ORGANIZATIONS.
IF YOU REMEMBER THE FIREARMS
ASSOCIATION WHO WE HEARD FROM IN
THE CLIP, THEY HELD A
FUND-RAISER TO BUY GEORGE
ZIMMERMAN A NEW GUN WHEN IT WAS
HAPPENING IN FLORIDA.
THESE ARE FOLKS WITH EXTREME
VIEWS.
>> WHY IT DOESN'T KEEP COMING
UP.
BILL AFTER BILL, EITHER
PROPOSING RESTRICTIONS ON GUNS,
MANY OF THEM BECAME LAW.
IS THERE A RUSH, INFRINGEMENT ON
GUN OWNERS RIGHTS IN OHIO?
>> NO, BECAUSE THE GUN LOBBY HAS
A GUN FRIENDLY LEGISLATURE.
IT'S DOMINATED BY CONSERVATIVE
REPUBLICANS WHO FAVORED THIS AND
A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO FAVOR
THIS.
I SUSPECT IT HAS PASSED THE
HOUSE AND WILL PROBABLY PASS THE
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR OF
SENATE.
THE GUN LOBBY.
>> IT MAY NOT PASS THE SENATE
INTACT.
MANY COMPONENTS MAY BE NIXED IN
THE PROCESS.
>> IT MAKES SENSE.
IT WOULD ALIGN OHIO'S BACKGROUND
CHECKS WITH THE FEDERAL
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
SO YOU ONLY GO THROUGH ONE
BACKGROUND CHECK TO GET A GUN.
IF OHIO IS MORE STRINGENT, I
SUPPOSE.
>> I THINK IT'S VERY ACCURATE
ABOUT THE POWER OF THE GUN
LOBBY.
IT'S JUST THERE.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT LIMITED TO
OHIO.
RECENTLY, IN COLORADO, THEY HAD
A RECALL PETITION ON TWO STATE
I THINK THEY WERE -- HAD VOTED
SENATORS.
AGAINST THE GUN LOBBY.
THEY HAD A RECALL.
POLITICS ARE POLITICS.
BOTH SIDES LOOK AT THAT AND ARE
AWARE OF IT, SO, THEY ARE VERY
STRONG GROUP.
>> ANTIGUN LOBBY AS ORGANIZED AS
THE PROGRAM LOBBY.
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
IN COLORADO, 20% SHOWED UP.
OBVIOUSLY, THE PROGRAM FOLKS
WERE MOBILIZED TO GET THESE
PEOPLE OUT OF OFFICE.
>> OFTENTIMES, IT'S LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND POLICE OFFICERS
AND PROSECUTORS AND OTHERS WHO
DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF
OPPORTUNITY TO MOBILIZE MEMBERS.
THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB.
ALSO, I THINK FUNDING IS A BIG
PART OF IT, TOO.
THE GUN LOBBY HAD SIGNIFICANT
FUNDING AND ABLE TO GIN PEOPLE
UP.
>> ALL THE PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED,
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
PROSECUTORS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS
BILL.
>> IF OBAMA CAN GO AGAINST THE
POLICE OFFICERS, YOU CAN'T GO
AGAINST THE COPS AND
FIREFIGHTERS AND PROSECUTORS.
>> THEY HAVE THIS AS A
IT'S A VERY EMOTIONAL THING FOR
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THE
GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO TRY AND
DENY OUR RIGHTS OR, IN THIS
CASE, IT'S GOING TO EXPAND OUR
RIGHTS, A RIGHT THAT IS ALREADY
THERE BY ALLOWING, YOU KNOW,
MORE GUNS IN SOCIETY.
IT'S HARD TO BUCK THAT ARGUMENT.
>> AFTER ALL THE CONTROVERSY, IT
TURNS OUT THAT THE AUDIT THAT
JOBS OHIO DIDN'T WANT TURNED OUT
GOOD.
GOVERNOR KASICH FOUGHT HARD.
DAVE YOST PREVAILED, DID THE
AUDIT AND FOUND MINOR PROBLEMS.
HE FOUND JOBS OHIO MADE MISTAKES
THAT NEARLY EVERY NEW
ORGANIZATION MAKES.
>> THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS FOLLOW
THEIR OWN RULES, HIRING AND
TRAINING PEOPLE AND THERE WAS
MISSING DOCUMENTATION, THERE
WERE INSTANCES IN WHICH THEIR
NORMAL PROCEDURES WERE NOT
THERE WAS ONLY ONE CONFLICT OF
FOLLOWED.
INTEREST AMONG THOSE.
>> THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST
INVOLVED SEVEN SHARES OF
SMUCKERS COMPANY OUT OF 108
MILLION TOTAL SHARES IN THE
COMPANY.
YOST DID SAY JOBS OHIO HAS NO
CLEAR PROCEDURE FOR SCREENING
FOR OUR PREVENTING CONFLICTS OF
DEMOCRATS HAVE HAMMERED THE
INTEREST.
GOVERNOR ON JOBS OHIO SAID IT
WAS, YOU KNOW, FOR CORRUPTION.
THIS WILL TAKE WIND OUT OF
DEMOCRATS SAILS?
>> NO, AUDITOR YOST CAN SAY
THERE'S NOTHING AND MINOR
INFRACTIONS, BUT THERE WAS
FIPDINGS OF CREDIT CARD ABUSE,
LACK OF FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT,
TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AGAIN, WITHOUT
EXPLANATION OR OVERSIGHT.
THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS.
YOU CAN GET THE HEADLINE,
THERE'S NOTHING HERE TO SEE.
HE DID DELINEATE SIGNIFICANT
FINDINGS.
ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP IN
THE REPORT THAT THEY HAVE TO
ANSWER FOR, SPECIFICALLY
GOVERNOR KASICH IS A
DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICE AGENCY, A
NEW DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE GIVING OUT SIGNIFICANT
SUMS OF MONEY TO JOBS OHIO WITH
NO WRITTEN AGREEMENT OR
I THINK THAT THERE ARE
CONTRACT.
SIGNIFICANT THINGS YOU CAN TRY
TO WHITEWASH AND THE REPUBLICANS
CAN TRY TO SAY THERE'S NOTHING
HERE.
I THINK, IN FACT, IT DOCUMENTS
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROBLEM.
>> THE SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS WERE
ON MONEY THAT WAS SPENT THAT WAS
RETURNED TO THE STATE.
SO, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT, THE MONEY THEY RETURNED
TO THE STATE?
>> I THINK THERE WERE ADDITIONAL
DOLLARS THAT WERE FOR PERFORMING
SERVICES THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF
DEVELOPMENT OR THE DEVELOPMENT
SERVICE AGENCY DID GIVE JOBS
>> THEY ARE ARGUING SOME WERE
OHIO.
UNDER $75 AND CONFUSION ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT TO REPORT THEM.
ALMOST ANY AUDIT IS GOING TO
FIND ISSUES.
BOOKKEEPING ISSUES IS THE CASE.
>> IT'S GOING FORWARD.
THIS IS THE LAST AUDIT THERE
LAW STANDS.
THEY CHANGED THE LAW AND MADE IT
IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE AN AUDIT.
INDEPENDENT AUDIT IS GOING TO BE
SELECTED BY THE JOBS OHIO BOARD.
>> WHO IS CONSULTATION?
>> I DO THINK DAVE YOST DESERVES
CREDIT FOR DOING THIS.
HE DID IT UNDER ENORMOUS
THEY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH HIM FOR
POLITICAL HEAT.
DOING THIS.
PASSED LAWS AND PROCOLLUDE HIM
FROM DOING IT AGAIN.
ONE THING THAT SHOULDN'T BE
MISSED IS THE AUDIT DID FIND
THAT BOARD MEMBERS DID HAVE
FINANCIAL STAKES IN COMPANIES
THAT SUPPORT THE FINANCIAL
SUPPORT FROM JOBS OHIO AND FROM
DUIS, OR DEPARTMENT OR
ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
BUT, THEY SAID THAT SINCE THE
BOARD MEMBERS WERE NOT THE ONES
WHO APPROVED THE MONEY GOING TO
THOSE COMPANIES, THEN THAT WAS
OKAY.
>> A TECHNICALITY, MIKE?
AROUND THE BOARD, BUT WE ARE NOT
THE FINAL, WE STAMP THE CHECK
AND SAY HERE IT GOES?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD CALL
IT A TECHNICALITY, BUT THEY
POINTED THAT OUT, THEY DIDN'T
DECIDE WHERE THE MONEY WENT.
I'M INTERESTED IN THIS AND SOME
PEOPLE SAID, THERE ARE SOME
THINGS FOUND THAT THE DEMOCRATS
MAY MAKE HAY WITH AND PERHAPS
RIGHTLY SO.
ON THE OTHER HAND,
REPRESENTATIVE CAME OUT SAYING
TO ME, IT WAS A POLITICAL
IT'S A WHITEWASH.
STATEMENT, UNLESS YOU FIND
SOMEBODY WITH A HORRENDOUS
CRIME, IT'S A WHITEWASH.
I AGREE, HE DID A GOOD JOB AND I
HAVE A REASON TO BELIEVE THE
GOVERNOR IS GOING TO TRY AND
TAKE THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE
MADE.
ONLY TIME WILL TELL.
>> THEY IMPLEMENTED SOME THAT
WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE AUDIT.
>> THE SIGNIFICANT THING IS WHAT
ANN SAID, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO
KNOW.
THEY PUT UP SO MANY WALLS AROUND
THIS ENTITY AND PASS ZED
LEGISLATION AFTER LEGISLATION
EXEMPTING IT FROM OVERSIGHT.
I THINK JOBS OHIO IS A SCANDAL
WAITING TO HAPPEN.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PUBLIC MAY
NOT EVER KNOW HOW THEIR TAXPAYER
DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT.
>> THE BROADER QUESTION IS, JUST
AN EXAMINATION OF WHETHER JOBS
OHIO IS WORKING.
ONCE AGAIN, WE SAW THE
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE PICK UP IN THE
STATE.
NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THREE
YEARS, 2/10 PERCENTAGE HIGHER
THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
THERE WAS A JOB GAIN OF LIKE
2,600 SINCE AUGUST WHEN WE LAST
SAW THE JOBS REPORT.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN MUCH JOB GROWTH
IN THIS STATE.
IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF HOW
EFFECTIVE IS THIS ENTITY.
>> THEY ARE SAYING IT CREATED
350,000 JOBS.
HOW DO YOU CHECK THAT?
HOW DO YOU CONNECTION THE DOTS?
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW WHAT JOB
CAME FROM WHERE.
>> GO AHEAD, JOE.
>> RIGHT.
>> I THINK THE KASICH
ADMINISTRATION, WE HAD
SIGNIFICANT JOB LOSS BECAUSE WE
HAD THE GREAT RECESSION.
I THINK THE GOVERNOR HAS CLAIMED
THERE'S BEEN LIKE 160,000 NET
JOBS GAINED SINCE HE TOOK
OFFICE.
BUT, THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF
THAT MIGHT HAVE COME BACK ANYWAY
REGARDLESS OF WHO WAS GOVERNOR
AND WE HAVE SEEN AND THIS COULD
BE AN ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN NEXT
YEAR, WE HAVE SEEN THE JOB
GROWTH STALL.
>> SLOW, BUT UNEMPLOYMENT IS
TICKING BACK UP.
>> WE ARE 44th IN THE COUNTRY.
WE ARE NOT DOING WELL.
>> GOING TO BE 2012.
WE ARE NOT DOING TOO BAD IS WHAT
KASICH IS GOING TO SAY WHICH IS
OPPOSITE OF WHAT OBAMA AND
ROMNEY WERE SAYING.
FITZGERALD HAS A BID TO RUN.
FITZGERALD NAMED CINCINNATI AREA
AS THE RUNNING MATE.
THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET HAS
GEOGRAPHIC BALANCE.
IT HAS RACIAL BALANCE.
WHY HIM?
>> WELL, FOR THE REASONS YOU
STATED.
GEOGRAPHY AND RACIAL BALANCE.
HE IS FROM COUNTY WHICH WAS WON
BY 11,000 VOTES IN 2010.
PRESIDENT OBAMA WON IT TWICE.
NUMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC
STATEWIDE TICKET WHO ARE FROM
IT'S A VOTER RICH BIG COUNTY.
THE COUNTY.
AND, I THINK THAT A LOT OF --
YEAH, I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF
REPUBLICANS WHO SAID IT WAS A
SMART CHOICE.
I THINK SENATOR KERNEY IS
RESPECTED, SOFT SPOKEN,
THOUGHTFUL.
AND, I THINK FITZGERALD HAD
PROBLEMS WITH BLACK LEADERS,
PARTICULARLY UP IN CLEVELAND FOR
VARIOUS REASONS.
THIS SHOULD SHOW UP HIS SUPPORT
FOR BLACK VOTERS.
>> YOU WORKED FOR GOVERNOR
STRICKLAND.
HE TOOK CRITICISM OR WAS IN
TROUBLE WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN
VOTERS IN 2010.
DOES THIS HELP THE DEMOCRATIC
TICKET THIS TIME AROUND?
>> I THINK IT IS POSITIVE.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A
DEMOCRATIC TICKET THIS YEAR THAT
LOOKS MORE LIKE OHIO THAN THE
REPUBLICAN TICKET.
THAT IS SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT
THAT OHIOANS CAN SEE THEMSELVES
IN THEIR LEADERS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF WOMEN ON THE
TICKET, DIVERSITY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO
BE MEANINGFUL TO OHIOANS.
>> AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE NOT THE
ONLY REASON, BUT A LOT OF THEM
VOTED FOR HIM IN DROVES.
WHY DID TED STRICKLAND HAVE
TROUBLE WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN
VOTERS?
WHY HAS ED FITZGERALD OR THE
PERCEPTION IS HE'S HAVING
TROUBLE WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN
VOTERS?
>> WE ARE NOT SURE WHERE HE IS
WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS.
TRYING TO BUILD THE COALITION,
TRYING TO GET EVERYONE ON BOARD
AND LINED UP.
I DON'T THINK, AS A MASS, AS A
BLOCK OF VOTERS THAT, YOU KNOW,
HE HAS ISSUES.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT STEP TO
MAKE THAT A NON-ISSUE IF HE DOES
HAVE THAT.
>> HE'S A PROVEN FUND-RAISER,
RIGHT?
HE RAISED A LOT OF MONEY FOR
OBAMA.
ITIS GOT TO COME IN HANDY, I'M
SURE HIS ROLODEX IS FILLED WITH
POTENTIAL DOE NARS.
AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, FITZGERALD
HASN'T DONE SWELL IN THAT
DEPARTMENT.
>> HOW DO REPUBLICANS GO AFTER
SENATOR KEARNEY?
>> AGAIN, I TALKED TO A VERY
PARTISAN REPUBLICAN TODAY AND HE
HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO
SAY ABOUT APPOINTMENT.
HE LIKES HIM PERSONALLY.
HE'S A GOOD MAN.
I LIKE TO HEAR THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T LIKE TO SEE THE OTHER
SIDE PAINT --
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>> FITZGERALD IS GOING TO
MATTER.
AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THE
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR JUST LIKE
THE VICE PRESIDENT.
IT'S TRUE.
IT WAS A SMART CHOICE ON HIS
PART.
I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT NICE
THINGS ABOUT APPOINTING THE
NOMINEE, IF YOU WILL.
>> ARE YOU SURPRISED HE DIDN'T
PICK A WOMAN?
WE KNOW DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO
MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF GOVERNOR
KASICH AND THE ABORTION BILL HE
SIGNED.
MALE CABINET SECRETARIES.
GOVERNOR KASICH HAS THE FEMALE
RUNNING MATE.
ANY SURPRISE HE DIDN'T PICK A
>> NO.
WOMAN?
THE TICKET HAS WOMEN.
NINA, CONNIE.
I THINK THAT WOMEN'S VOICES ON
THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET ARE
REPRESENTED.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS A MAKE IT
OR BREAK IT.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
BOTH SENATOR KEARNEY AND
FITZGERALD WHO CHAMPIONED
WOMEN'S ISSUES.
>> A GOOD POINT, YOU DON'T
REALLY VOTE FOR SECOND MAN ON
THE TICKET, BUT THEY WILL ATTACK
KEARNEY FROM HIS VOTING RECORD.
THERE WILL BE THINGS THEY CAN
PICK OUT IN THE ATTACK.
>> OKAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE COLUMBUS VOTERS
MAY BE ABLE TO DECIDE ON A PLAN
TO PAVE THE WAY FOR PUBLIC
FINANCING.
UNDER THE PLAN IS CANDIDATES FOR
CITY COUNCIL AND MAYORS AGREE TO
LIMIT THEIR SPENDING, THEY WOULD
BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR PUBLIC
FUNDS.
SUPPORTERS SAY A PLAN WOULD GIVE
CHALLENGERS A CHANCE AGAINST
WELL FUNDED INCOUNCILMAN BANTS.
ED FISHER, WE CANNOT REMEMBER
THE LAST TIME A CHALLENGER
KNOCKED OFF A MEMBER OF THE
COLUMBUS CITY COUNCIL.
WILL PUBLIC FINANCING HELP?
>> TO ME,ITIS NOT A DEMOCRAT OR
REPUBLICAN QUESTION.
THE VOTERS, THE DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS AND FRANKLIN COUNTY AND
THE CITY OUTNUMBER REPUBLICANS
AND YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT TO OVER
COME THAT.
IT COULD BRING MORE DIVERSITY TO
THE CITY COUNCIL IN TERMS OF
RIGHT NOW, IT'S IN STEP WITH WHO
DIFFERENT VIEW.
EVER APPOINTED YOU.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAVE
BEEN APPOINTED BEFORE THEY WERE
ELECTED.
THEY OWE SOMEBODY FOR THAT.
THIS WOULD BE MORE ADD VENN
TEENAGEOUS BY FAR BY DEMOCRATS
WHO WANT TO BREAK INTO THIS JOB.
>> MICHAEL, HOW ABOUT YOU?
IT'S BEEN AWHILE IN FRANKLIN
HOW HARD IS IT TO BREAK INTO THE
COUNTY.
GROUP THAT IS ALREADY THERE?
>> DEPENDS ON WHAT ERA WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO
GO ANYWHERE IF, AS ANN SAYS, THE
SITUATION WITH THE DEMOCRATS IN
THE CITY OUT NUMBER THE
REPUBLICANS.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE
OPPOSED TO IT.
THE REPUBLICANS WITH GOING TO DO
THE SAME THING IF THE SHOE WAS
ON THE OTHER FOOT.
>> IT HAS BEEN ON THE OTHER
FOOT.
>> THE REPUBLICAN ADVANTAGE
ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, PLAY THAT
UP AND SCARE OFF DEMOCRATS FROM
VOTING FOR IT.
>> I THINK INTERNALLY, THE
DEMOCRATS WILL COME OUT OPPOSED
TO IT.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO SAY
BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICANS OR
WHAT HAVE YOU.
I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN.
FRANKLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
I DON'T THINK IT WILL MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IF IT DID OR DIDN'T
HAPPEN.
>> I'M NOT SURE IT WILL HAPPEN,
WHEN YOU POSE THE QUESTION, DO
EITHER.
YOU WANT YOUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS,
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY ARE
GOING TO SAY YES.
TAXPAYER DOLLAR INTO AN ELECTION
INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, INTO THESE
OTHER IMPORTANT SERVICES FOR MY
COMMUNITY.
>> WE HAVE SOME ON A NATIONAL
THEY CAN RAISE MORE.
SCALE.
>> BASICALLY ALLOWING FOR,
OBVIOUSLY THE CHALLENGERS AREN'T
GOING TO BE ABLE TO RAISE
$85,000.
IF YOU PROMISE NOT TO SPEND IT,
WE'LL GIVE YOU PUBLIC MONEY.
>> THE MAYOR SPENT $10,000.
NONE OF THE NO NAME CHALLENGERS
ARE GOING TO RAISE NEAR THAT.
>> AUSTIN, TEXAS AND A COUPLE
OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY DO THIS.
IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED AND
FREAKISH TO CONSIDER SOMETHING
>> I THINK JEANETTE HIT THE
LIKE THIS.
NAIL.
I HAPPEN TO SUPPORT PUBLIC
FINANCING AND CAMPAIGNS BECAUSE
I HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC FINANCING.
YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC PAYS
ANYWAY.
BUT, IT'S HARD TO TELL CITIZENS
THAT THEIR TAX DOLLARS OUGHT TO
GO TO A POLITICIANS CAMPAIGN.
THEY IMPLORE IT.
IT'S HARD TO GET IT PASSED.
>> THERE IS A CHANCE OHIO VOTERS
COULD VOTE ON WHETHER TO BORROW
$13 BILLION TO PAY FOR CLEAN
ENERGY PROJECTS IN THE STATE.
THE MONEY WOULD BE USED TO PAY
FOR WIND, SOLAR, GEO THERMAL AND
OTHER PRODUCTS.
YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD HAVE
THE SUPPORT OF ENVIRONMENTAL
GROUPS, BUT IT DOESN'T.
THEY OPPOSE IT AS TOO VAGUE.
IT SOUNDS GREAT.
$13 BILLION ON WIND TURBINES,
REALLY RESEARCH THE STUFF.
GREAT ENERGY, RENEWABLE ENERGY,
BUT MURKY.
>> IT IS MURKY.
IT'S PART OF THE REASON THE
ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS OPPOSE IT.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS BEHIND
THIS.
THIS CAMPAIGN WAS RUN OUT OF
DELAWARE WHICH HAS STRICT
CONFIDENTIALITY LAWS.
WE CAN'T FIND OUT WHO IS BEHIND
THIS.
WE ARE TALKING $13 BILLION.
THEY PROCLUDE THE LEGISLATURE
FROM HAVING ANY VETO POWER ON
HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT AND
SECRETARY OF STATE HOUSTON
CERTIFIED IT SAID BASICALLY LOOK
OUT FOR THIS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS BEHIND IT
OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
>> PARANOID.
CLEAN ENERGY IS A RELATIVE TERM.
COULD IT BE CLEAN ENERGY BEHIND
>> I DON'T KNOW.
IT?
>> IT VERY WELL COULD BE.
IT PUTS A LOT OF POWER IN THE
INITIATIVE CALLED THE OHIO
ENERGY INITIATIVE COMMISSION.
THIS COMMISSION IS NOT A
NON-PROFIT OR STATE RUN ENTITY.
IT'S FOR PROFIT LLC AND IN THE
LANGUAGE, THEY WRITE THEMSELVES
TO GET $65 MILLION A YEAR TO
OPERATE THIS COMMISSION.
SO, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHO IS
BEHIND IT.
IT IS AN ENTITY THAT WANTS TO
HAVE TOTAL CONTROL, CUT OUT
ANYBODY ELSE FROM HAVING SAY AND
GIVE THEMSELVES A LOT OF MONEY
>> FINAL PARTING SHOTS.
MICHAEL MILLER.
>> FRIDAY THE 22nd, MY PARTING
SHOT, 50 YEARS AGO I WAS IN
WASHINGTON, D.C., DURING THE --
WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS
ASSASSINATED.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT MORE
ON A DAY LIKE TODAY THAN ANY
PREDICTIONS OF THE FUTURE EXCEPT
HOPEFULLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS
WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
>> YOU WERE GETTING YOUR SHOES
SHINED?
>> RIGHT.
>> INSTEAD OF JOBS OHIO, LOOK AT
THE JOBS BEING LOST IN
SOUTHEASTERN OHIO.
1,000 JOBS ARE GONE.
THERE'S NOTHING HE IS DOING
ABOUT IT AND THEY CAN THEY
COULD.
>> ED FITZGERALD NEEDS A BIG
TURNOUT NEXT YEAR IN THE
ELECTION BECAUSE OFF YEAR
ELECTIONS, THE TURN OUT IS DOWN
FOR DEMOCRATS TRADITIONALLY.
IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH BECAUSE
WITH THE ROLLOUT.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE
NEXT YEAR AND GOING TO DEPRESS
DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT.
>> I'M GOING TO ECHO MIKE'S
I WONDER -- HOPEFULLY IT WILL
COMMENTS.
NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT YOU
WONDER, 25, 50 YEARS DOWN THE
ROAD, WILL IT BE COMMEMORATED
THIS WAY?
WILL PEOPLE REMEMBER?
WILL IT HAVE AN IMPACT OR ARE WE
TURNING THE CORNER PEOPLE WON'T
BE AROUND THAT REMEMBER IT.
I WAS IN THE SECOND GRADE AND
WATCHED THE FUNERAL.
PEOPLE WILL BE LONG GONE.
IT MAKES ME WONDER WHERE WE ARE
>> MY COMMENT IS THE IRONY IS
HEADED AFTER THAT.
THE FOLKS PUSHING FOR CAMPAIGN
FINANCE REFORM BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T WIN ELECTIONS ARE THE
FOLKS WHO LED THE VICTORY FOR OR
AGAINST THE LEVEE, EVEN THOUGH
THEY ARE VASTLY OUT SPENT.
MONEY DOESN'T ALWAYS WIN
ELECTIONS.
THAT IS "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD"
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I'M MIKE THOMPSON, HAVE A GOOD