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we've been talking about Martin Luther King the were an actor Martin Luther
King junior and what his
legacy is to this day
were how he has been in so many ways for so many americans particularly white
americans
Disney fide his
outspoken confrontation the military-industrial complexes
is passionate argument against the war in Vietnam his
his support for poor white people as well as black people as attempts to
his is a bitter the day he was killed he was working to unionize
sanitation workers that he had just come from the March for
poor people archives the
forget the word the organization for the poor the
and and just all of this has been turned into oh you know he had a dream that one
day ill
little black kids a little white kids at all and and isn't that what we're doing
now
well not so much and
what we did see was both black and white poverty
in the United States declined substantially in the nineteen sixties as
a result of Joe Lyndon Johnson's Great Society programs in the nineteen
seventies over about a ten twelve year period we saw poverty in the United
States almost cut in half
and then reagan came along and poverty by poverty United States is exit pretty
much right now where was that
it just froze everything just like just like white income
throws at that level it's like it's been right across the board
so but but IG it goes beyond that it's it's like slavery is
this original Sen this this this cancer at the core
American society that we just don't confront
another you know what what brought has to these kinds of things what
what led to Dred Scott what leads to
to separate-but-equal what led to Jim Crow
well frankly what I think you know it what led what what is leading today to
the
to those detours basically white racist consulting conservative movement
and i know i know: a burlesque is with the snow a
wrote a piece for 'em a
us let's see salon was its on Arcelik for the lyric
know the Atlantic there it is hey Noah a cute shirt a cure for
again to rate in front of me and it took me a minute to find the Atlantic logo on
it
title what movies about slavery teachers about race relations today
and EU to an offer so welcome to the program
so quick you thanks for joining us we had to in
a it earlier in the program me an hour or so ago I Daniel Jose older on hood
parade written a book ever written a the peace
for I think was slow on that so it's time to take the weight white savior out
its labor in your district
you you reference that in your in your piece in ends
a but you have some really specific thoughts about up slavery and and
the way it's presented in popular culture you wanna brief on this but
I sure I can make in her little girl
I mean I think that there is obviously there's been
there's been a couple of high-profile sleeping though his a
especially recently arm with Django in twelve years a slave
in tango rate from you know it out which I
which i think is important to our way then I think daniel has a I mean I think
it's true that the most
high-profile one a the narrative that we tend to be most comfortable with is
story about from first of all about
which is like you know I mean black people
by people suffer and at the hands of white people
a man has as daniel said at the end of it some
good way people or other arm you know they pay pay people
right rate which which which happens sometimes but it's it's like happened to
some degree
i mean you know that from way people were the one to power in ways
you know there is this people or about slavery within which what the white
people died
from but you know I feel like
it would be you know there are other stories to tell too i mean
in the first place a you know not all stories about slavery and happily
right rate I mean now our cat stories after Napoli
great time email how do you pronounce it is it Senco for the movie the reading
about her I think so i think that a friend yes incorporate
left that that purpose story that was the 1993 film which didn't get a lot of
distribution
button are I confess I have not seen a yeah I mean it you know it's hard to
keep up
if it's not it's not it's not around very much but it's a it's a time travel
story
and it's basically about this woman who is a
is an American model of and she's doing a shoot she's an afro-american Mar
is african-american art right and doing if you think I believe in Shia
for travel back to the past and up as a as a slave
on a plantation arm
and
n so it's better I mean is basically about
the fact that slavery is still very president
rate so it's not really a story it's like the story doesn't work I mean home
kindred
which is by I Kb about their quick to the novel bacteria Butler
worker somewhere where the time travel story so you know really
it's a really work in terms that like it isn't that there by people who are who
are hard-pressed
and then eventually way people freedom it's more like
there is this trial that happened braved
Aaron people still its still call the people
still has this grip on the president yeah I N
so you not you noted in your critique up or your
the and rip critique is the right word but in your narrative about sink offer
that when she comes back to the present she sees the way photographer who is
shooting her
she's a fashion model as a
as an oppressor subtle and her perspective and to implement changes
Israeli experience
she sees him as as being pardo
a power structure which is continuous
when with the past kiss when she goes back into the past
she's arm as a slave she is ***
repeatedly yeah being *** and so that sorta
and there's it seems that you know I I had this conversation
a a week or two ago a with Andy Shaw love
/url fellow here in washington DC is running for mayor
and he said you know we need to be talking about race more the United
States is why people
tend not to talk about race black people tend to talk about race
a lot and arm andy is
a his actually an Iraqi immigrant who is
usually taken by african-americans to be african-american
some nice taken by whites to be middle Easterner or
you know something not after for and so he's had both experiences NIC NDIS is
at the age of 10 and and it's like
if the thing that defines
you first and foremost is the color of your skin
that makes sense that you talk about that a lot that that would become the
center your world
and whites have basically you know white privilege in manpower in this society
and so the color their skin doesn't define them
in a way that they're conscious I love you know that's like fish in water
they're not conscious the water
whereas for african-americans the color their skin does define them you know
every
police every encounter with the police every well everything
and he was he owns a restaurant here in town busboys & poets news time how he
tells is
as waiters is wait staff you know if you've got a
empty room and a white couple comes in and there's a you know on
and teacher empty table over by the window away for everybody
they will like that you know whereas if a black couple comes in and you put them
there they're gonna think
oh I'm I'm been separated from everybody else is like there's these different
worldviews
it's pretty amazing stuff is
yeah I mean think K one other thing that's interesting I think of is that it
I mean it's pretty it's pretty anti way mean
you know i mean in a in a it up pretty straightforward way I mean there
the you know any in anti-christian
yeah as the the Christianity the
christianity was used to justify oppression to justify slavery
way which which you getting twelve years but even more than that it's kinda
hit me which in twelve years a slave they sort of present that mmm
you know that the hypocrisy hovering above love
from the way christianity was used but didn't think of it even more like
old being connected you have cam religion
is you know pardo be that that can part a question
to being undermined by by wat it do it like I don't feel like that
the only story that should be told in person readers like you like
you know having having having offered is
its it's good stuff yeah and Noah for lansky the pieces go what movies my
slavery teaches about race relations nightmare says the Thom Hartmann program
no thanks so much for being with us the Atlantic back on this website version I
think so much